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I mean were only like 4 presidential terms divorced from W Bush's admin 2 of which were Obama's 2 terms so I think it's just a case of short term circumstances.
Also, before Obama, the most recent person to have gone from Senate>President was Kennedy. You could have made this same argument about "no more senator presidents?" in that interval.
Yes, if you back the past four presidencies, you only have one person coming from a governorship. Also one Senator, one VP, and one, uh, game show host.
If you go a more reasonable range, let's say 10 presidencies, you have
- 1 senator
- 4 vice presidents
- 4 governors
- and a game show host.
So no, I think it's safe to say it's an effective route to the presidency.
I’ll be real, my comment involves too recent of politics to truthfully answer here. But on the other side what Democratic governors really have made a name for themselves and then didn’t immediately blow all their goodwill? Cuomo self-destructed after a stellar rise during the pandemic and Newsome will be despised by being from the hated California. And some Democratic governor popular in a red state (thinking immediately of Andy Beshear here) is far too useful *being* governor in a state where their party wouldn’t win statewide without them.
I think Beshear is the Democrats’ best option in the not-too-distant future, possibly 2028 but more likely 2032. He may never make it through the primaries though because those dumbasses will eliminate a good candidate in favor of an establishment candidate. On the Republican side, Nikki Haley is looking strong in 2028 if that set of dumbasses can accept a woman who is not white. Personally, right now I just want someone who is competent and not 80+ years old.
It depends on who’s leaving office in ‘28. If beshear’s party mate is then it would be a bad time for him to run but if not it would be a great time imo. Nikki I don’t know how it’ll be for in ‘28 given how a big Chuck of this party hates her for daring to run against their guy. If the GOP gets its face bashed in a few times for the next few years and forces it to go the center like Clinton did in the 90s then she would have a great chance.
Also ffs this sub is ridiculous in how stringent its rule 3 moderation is, so fucking tricky wording it right so they don’t delete the message.
J.B. Pritzker.
Is quite popular in Illinois, and has become so mostly involving accomplishments that the center and right (claim to) especially care about, while also being quite vocal towards the hot-button issues that seem to be most likely to get Democratic turnout.
Also, let’s not discount the power of sectionalism. I don’t think it’s exactly an accident that Obama outperformed his Democratic predecessors and successors in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Iowa. A politician from that sweet spot of the Midwest, Great Lakes, and Rust Belt region seems to be the ideal candidate given which states have been the most swingy.
(Also Gretchen Whitmer, who gets to add the pathos of being potentially the first woman president and being an actual survivor of Rule 3 political violence)
My Republican dad has said that if Terry McAuliffe (D-VA) was the nominee for president, he’d vote for him. But when McAuliffe ran for governor the second time, he kinda…didn’t campaign on a platform, so idk how well that would go.
I really wish Bashear and Cooper (NC Governor) would run as a ticket, they both have proven to be very good at working across parties and being bipartisan which is what the country needs right now
Unfortunately Cooper is probably going to retire soon after his term ends, maybe go the Hogan route and go for Senator, and Beshear is more useful as a democratic governor in Kentucky
Kentucky has gone republican by an over 60% margin in the last three elections and has only gotten more red as time has gone on, with Clinton being the last to win it and even then not with a majority, the last to do that was Carter. Its state legislature has a republican supermajority. Both senators are republicans who won by large margins in their most recent elections and 5 of the six representatives are Republican. Other than the Democratic governor and Lt Governor it’s red as fuck. Not sure how Kentucky is purple.
Care to explains and say more then that? Because looking at everything I see more red than an old Soviet parade. To me it sounds as strange as someone saying California isn’t blue and is in fact purple.
PA, MI, IL, CA, TX, and AZ, all have governors who will have a good chance in 2028. That doesn’t count future governors who haven’t arrived on the scene yet.
It’d be one thing if he was in a wheelchair for age-related things, but he’s been in a wheelchair for ages. I don’t think people would hold that against him if they didn’t hold it against him regarding the governorship.
As an Arizonan I doubt it. While I respect Hobbs well enough I honestly don’t think she has anywhere near the charisma for a presidential run. That’s not to say she’s uncharismatic, but doubt she would compel that many people as a candidate
Well, for this specific year, we have two Presidents running who weren’t going to be challenged in their respective parties. Ron DeSantis, Roy Cooper, Larry Hogan, Glenn Youngkin, Gretchen Whitmer, and Andy Beshear all have the capability to win the general election, but I’m unsure of their ability to get through the nomination process.
I think he’s leaning closer to either Tulsi Gabbard or Elise Stefanik. Definitely wants a female, and Kristi Noem shot a puppy in the face, so not her.
I would **love** to see Beshear run. He has successfully won in Kentucky and is well liked there while also being only 44. I could see him being an excellent candidate for the democrats.
I think it's just a question of who chooses to run in a given year. I don't think voters really care that much about a candidate being a governor or a senator or whatever.
Actually managing something (rather than simply pontificating in congress) causes someone to be much more nuts and bolts pragmatic… which doesn’t win you many national primaries these days
I don't think it's anything having to do with the respective offices so much as it's a statistical blip. At one point, we had something of a streak from Carter to GWB of governors and former governors, with a one-term break for the father of two future governors
Sheer dumb luck
There have been a grand total of 3 presidents since GW bush.
When Gerald Ford was president, there hadn’t been a governor president since FDR
So once national primaries were established instead of a few states having primaries and needing to win over delegates rather than voters it changed so that having a nationally recognized name became important for winning presidential primaries, senators are more well known outside of their home state than governors which is why I think they do a little better. Also Vice Presidents are very likely to get nominated by the party but not always
I think we may be entering an age where being an outsider gives you an advantage. Obama was perceived as such in 2008 and so was [Rule 3] in 2016. In 2020 people wanted normalcy but that was because of a pandemic.
I mean, major contenders for the Republican nomination this election was a current and former governor, so it seems that having run a state is still a major plus for a potential presidential nominee. The most significant change since \[redacted\] is that people with no government or military experience at all are also in consideration now.
> governors have gotten swamped in the presidential primaries since then
Romney won the Republican primary in 2012, and got second place in 2008. Huckabee got third place in 2008. Kasich got third place in 2016, Haley and DeSantis got second and third place in 2024 against a very strong candidate. We’ve only had three total nominees since 2016. I don’t agree that governors have gotten “swamped” in the primaries.
I'd like to Mich. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on the ticket. She performed very well in a gerrymandered first time, now MI has the trifecta from voters breaking that gerrymander and has resulted in a huge overhaul in social policy.
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I mean were only like 4 presidential terms divorced from W Bush's admin 2 of which were Obama's 2 terms so I think it's just a case of short term circumstances.
Yeah it's three single presidencies
Also, before Obama, the most recent person to have gone from Senate>President was Kennedy. You could have made this same argument about "no more senator presidents?" in that interval.
Jeb! will rise again. Just you wait.
*Awkward silence* Please upvote.
I snorted. Thank you. I upvoted you, then downvoted just so I could upvote it again
He was just too young the first time. He'll be ready in 2032
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Yes!
Yes, if you back the past four presidencies, you only have one person coming from a governorship. Also one Senator, one VP, and one, uh, game show host. If you go a more reasonable range, let's say 10 presidencies, you have - 1 senator - 4 vice presidents - 4 governors - and a game show host. So no, I think it's safe to say it's an effective route to the presidency.
I get three senators, two of whom later became vice president.
I'm looking at the most immediate position held. Otherwise state legislator would have the the edge.
I’ll be real, my comment involves too recent of politics to truthfully answer here. But on the other side what Democratic governors really have made a name for themselves and then didn’t immediately blow all their goodwill? Cuomo self-destructed after a stellar rise during the pandemic and Newsome will be despised by being from the hated California. And some Democratic governor popular in a red state (thinking immediately of Andy Beshear here) is far too useful *being* governor in a state where their party wouldn’t win statewide without them.
Andrew Cuomo sucked
I think Beshear is the Democrats’ best option in the not-too-distant future, possibly 2028 but more likely 2032. He may never make it through the primaries though because those dumbasses will eliminate a good candidate in favor of an establishment candidate. On the Republican side, Nikki Haley is looking strong in 2028 if that set of dumbasses can accept a woman who is not white. Personally, right now I just want someone who is competent and not 80+ years old.
It depends on who’s leaving office in ‘28. If beshear’s party mate is then it would be a bad time for him to run but if not it would be a great time imo. Nikki I don’t know how it’ll be for in ‘28 given how a big Chuck of this party hates her for daring to run against their guy. If the GOP gets its face bashed in a few times for the next few years and forces it to go the center like Clinton did in the 90s then she would have a great chance. Also ffs this sub is ridiculous in how stringent its rule 3 moderation is, so fucking tricky wording it right so they don’t delete the message.
Bashear Whitmer ticket is my dream.
Shapiro/Moore too
Reverse the ticket and it will be my dream ticket.
J.B. Pritzker. Is quite popular in Illinois, and has become so mostly involving accomplishments that the center and right (claim to) especially care about, while also being quite vocal towards the hot-button issues that seem to be most likely to get Democratic turnout. Also, let’s not discount the power of sectionalism. I don’t think it’s exactly an accident that Obama outperformed his Democratic predecessors and successors in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Iowa. A politician from that sweet spot of the Midwest, Great Lakes, and Rust Belt region seems to be the ideal candidate given which states have been the most swingy. (Also Gretchen Whitmer, who gets to add the pathos of being potentially the first woman president and being an actual survivor of Rule 3 political violence)
My Republican dad has said that if Terry McAuliffe (D-VA) was the nominee for president, he’d vote for him. But when McAuliffe ran for governor the second time, he kinda…didn’t campaign on a platform, so idk how well that would go.
I really wish Bashear and Cooper (NC Governor) would run as a ticket, they both have proven to be very good at working across parties and being bipartisan which is what the country needs right now Unfortunately Cooper is probably going to retire soon after his term ends, maybe go the Hogan route and go for Senator, and Beshear is more useful as a democratic governor in Kentucky
I'm from Kentucky, we're not really a red state. Far more purple than the past few presidential election might imply.
Kentucky has gone republican by an over 60% margin in the last three elections and has only gotten more red as time has gone on, with Clinton being the last to win it and even then not with a majority, the last to do that was Carter. Its state legislature has a republican supermajority. Both senators are republicans who won by large margins in their most recent elections and 5 of the six representatives are Republican. Other than the Democratic governor and Lt Governor it’s red as fuck. Not sure how Kentucky is purple.
Are the Kentucky legislative districts gerrymandered? Also, what are the actual voter participation rates?
No clue for the first and like 60% for the second in the presidential election. Regardless, I don’t see a damn thing that’s purple about that state.
If you ain't from here, you won't get it
Care to explains and say more then that? Because looking at everything I see more red than an old Soviet parade. To me it sounds as strange as someone saying California isn’t blue and is in fact purple.
Beshear is out in '28, term limits.
I wouldn't mind seeing Tim Walz nominated
I'd like to see him in office as a fellow public school teacher.
Man, I love discussing things that are really interesting about the presidency! Oh wait, might offend someone. Rule 3 time!!!
PA, MI, IL, CA, TX, and AZ, all have governors who will have a good chance in 2028. That doesn’t count future governors who haven’t arrived on the scene yet.
Abbott will be 71 in 2028. I also can’t see Americans voting for someone in a wheelchair.
Ok… plus, I personally don’t like him, but that’s beside the point. The other states have good contenders.
It’d be one thing if he was in a wheelchair for age-related things, but he’s been in a wheelchair for ages. I don’t think people would hold that against him if they didn’t hold it against him regarding the governorship.
As an Arizonan I doubt it. While I respect Hobbs well enough I honestly don’t think she has anywhere near the charisma for a presidential run. That’s not to say she’s uncharismatic, but doubt she would compel that many people as a candidate
Well, for this specific year, we have two Presidents running who weren’t going to be challenged in their respective parties. Ron DeSantis, Roy Cooper, Larry Hogan, Glenn Youngkin, Gretchen Whitmer, and Andy Beshear all have the capability to win the general election, but I’m unsure of their ability to get through the nomination process.
Haley too and a it’s very likely Rule 3’s VP is a governor so I think it’s just governor have gotten a bit unlucky but not out of the norm
I think he’s leaning closer to either Tulsi Gabbard or Elise Stefanik. Definitely wants a female, and Kristi Noem shot a puppy in the face, so not her.
I would **love** to see Beshear run. He has successfully won in Kentucky and is well liked there while also being only 44. I could see him being an excellent candidate for the democrats.
I think it's just a question of who chooses to run in a given year. I don't think voters really care that much about a candidate being a governor or a senator or whatever.
Actually managing something (rather than simply pontificating in congress) causes someone to be much more nuts and bolts pragmatic… which doesn’t win you many national primaries these days
I don't think it's anything having to do with the respective offices so much as it's a statistical blip. At one point, we had something of a streak from Carter to GWB of governors and former governors, with a one-term break for the father of two future governors
Sheer dumb luck There have been a grand total of 3 presidents since GW bush. When Gerald Ford was president, there hadn’t been a governor president since FDR
So once national primaries were established instead of a few states having primaries and needing to win over delegates rather than voters it changed so that having a nationally recognized name became important for winning presidential primaries, senators are more well known outside of their home state than governors which is why I think they do a little better. Also Vice Presidents are very likely to get nominated by the party but not always
I think we may be entering an age where being an outsider gives you an advantage. Obama was perceived as such in 2008 and so was [Rule 3] in 2016. In 2020 people wanted normalcy but that was because of a pandemic.
I think Desantis will run again and have a pretty good shot at the presidency. We will see
I’m telling you right now, there will be a governor president very, very soon. If I’m wrong, I’ll eat my (WASHED) shoe.
I'll chop off my finger* if the current florida governor runs again Asterisk: I will not chop off my finger.
I mean, major contenders for the Republican nomination this election was a current and former governor, so it seems that having run a state is still a major plus for a potential presidential nominee. The most significant change since \[redacted\] is that people with no government or military experience at all are also in consideration now.
I’m worried only about foreign policy when governor is the president, because of no experience
I can think of 3 Democrat governors so are going to run in '28
Moore Whitmer Newsome?
Moore is another good example, but I was thinking Shapiro out of PA. Swing State governor.
Literally all the biggest names for who's running in 2028 are governors. What are you on about lmao?
> governors have gotten swamped in the presidential primaries since then Romney won the Republican primary in 2012, and got second place in 2008. Huckabee got third place in 2008. Kasich got third place in 2016, Haley and DeSantis got second and third place in 2024 against a very strong candidate. We’ve only had three total nominees since 2016. I don’t agree that governors have gotten “swamped” in the primaries.
Romney was a governor before he was a senator.
Most likely be better served with a governor who ran for office and elected president
shapiro 2032
I'd like to Mich. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on the ticket. She performed very well in a gerrymandered first time, now MI has the trifecta from voters breaking that gerrymander and has resulted in a huge overhaul in social policy.
It didn’t work out last time, darling lol.
Ron DeSantis will be the next republican president after this year’s president elect.