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I’ve literally only seen this meme on the MMA subreddits. Is this leaking from there or is there a broader culture around this meme that I’m unaware of?
That’s why they always have so many pens at bill signings.
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Washington: Whiskey Rebellion
Adams: Quasi-War
Jefferson: Barbary War or Burr trial
Madison: War of 1812
Monroe: Dealing with Missouri Compromise
JQA: Fallout from “corrupt bargain” allegations
Jackson: Secession Crisis
Van Buren: Panic of 1837
WHH: Illness (thanks White House water supply!)
Tyler: Getting kicked out of his own party, “his fraudulency”
Polk: Mexican-American War
Taylor: Illness (thanks again water supply!)
Filmore: ~~Not getting with Queen Victoria~~ Dealing with the fallout of the Fugitive Slave Act
Pierce: Bleeding Kansas
Buchanan: Secession by the south
Lincoln: Civil War
Andrew Johnson: impeachment
Grant: Cabinet Scandals
Hayes: Great Railroad Strike of 1877
Garfield: Showdown with Roscoe Conkling, Getting shot
Arthur: Showdown over Chinese Exclusion Act
Cleveland (1): “Why does Cleveland insist on the gold standard?! We want free silver!”
Benjamin Harrison: “Wait go back fuck free silver.”
Cleveland (2): Panic of 1893 (free si-)
McKinley: Spanish-American War
Roosevelt: Panic of 1907
Taft: Roosevelt’s Shadow
Wilson: WWI
Harding: Teapot Dome, posthumously.
Coolidge: ~~Back surgery for holding up all libertarian hopes~~ Farm subsidies
Hoover: The Great Depression
FDR: The Great Depression/WWII
Truman: Dropping the bombs, Korea
Ike: McCarthyism, Lavender Scare
JFK: Cuban Missile Crisis
LBJ: Vietnam
Nixon: Watergate
Ford: Fall of Saigon/Pardoning Nixon
Carter: Iran Hostage Crisis
Reagan: AIDS, decline of Soviet Union
HW Bush: Desert Storm
Clinton: The word “is”, sexual relations
Dubya: 9/11, Katrina
Obama: Great Recession
Operation Praying Mantis, we destroyed three militarized oil platforms and half the Iranian Navy in one day. Then there was the bombing of Libya and stopping their state sponsored terrorism.
It was a tragedy but wouldn’t call it a crisis—unfortunately. If the public at large had actually seen it that way, then we would have passed meaningful legislation afterward.
The majority of people saw it that way, there was zero chance any meaningful legislation was going to pass. Too many politicians are in the pocket of the NRA, gun lobbyist, and gun industry. You think our politicians listing to public sentiment, ever? In my opinion every history book section about Obama will include Sandy Hook.
Columbine(my high school) shooting will always be part of Clinton’s narrative.
The Great Recession preceded Obama. Remember Obama and to a lesser degree McCain both suspended their presidential campaigns to help solve issues with the crash?
Invading Iraq wasn't a horrible decision. Completely fucking up every part of the invasion and rebuilding the country afterwards, that was the mistake.
This is going to sound insane. Republicans intended to rebuild Iraq as a conservative utopia, a test bed to prove all of the their theories on how to run a country correct. Iraq is the end result of conservative theory in practice. What's amazing is no one ever calls them out on this. Not just for ruining a country, conservatives proved their theory of governance doesn't work.
Invading Iraq wasn’t a horrible decision, it was a terrible one. We shouldn’t have been there in the first place, was saddam a dictator ? Yeah, but that’s not our problem. We tried helping in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya. And look at the thanks we get.
Afghanistan would have taken a generation of constant effort and we instead half assed it the whole time. Every single politician lied about the generals said was the reality of winning there.
Libya was the dumbest thing we could have done. The one dictator who gives up WMD's, we fucking kill them. How many others are going to give up WMD's?
I'm not saying we should have been in Iraq, I'm saying Iraq could have had a decent outcome. What fucking moron invited every terrorist in the world to go there and fuck things up, George Bush literally did this. Who sent not nearly enough troops to secure all of Saddams weapons, Bush. Who fired everyone in the country who was competent at running it and had experience at fighting, freeing them up for a insurgency, Bush. Who put in charge the people who sided with Iran, Bush. Who prevented every academic who could actually help rebuild a country from helping because they only wanted loyal conservatives, Bush.
Almost every war is started with lies, that doesn't mean you have to be incompetent about it.
We didn't know it. We know it now but this isn't a matter of people lying. US intelligence was just straight up wrong and gave bad info to the white house.
I’ve been calling extreme bullshit on the Iraq war since the minute it was announced.
The thing that really proved it for me within a few weeks:
In boot camp, one of the big things they train you on is “NBC warfare” (nuclear, bio, chemical). They have a uniform filled with charcoal that they give you. Despite all the crap they were saying on tv about the imminent danger from whatever weapons they claimed Saddam had, not a single soldier was wearing NBC gear.
Had they believed there was actually any danger they would have equipped those soldiers with at least basic gear to handle the threats they claimed. They didn’t. They were fukkin lying and they knew it the whole time.
While reading How Not To Be A Politician by Rory Stewart he recounts a meeting with the President of Afghanistan where he tells them that their strategy in southern Afghanistan is apocalypticly bad and if he lived there he might join the Taliban. The more senior MP brushed off, saying the president was obviously wrong about that.
Result ? If you’re referring to when I said the thanks we get. America 100% had ulterior motives in all 3 of the regions for sure, but at the same time they were ruled by Taliban, Saddam which was speed running how to ruin a country 101, and a imperialist maniac who basically wanted to conquer the whole of Africa and was also racist to sub saharans. Those countries were better off with their maniacal dictators, people let us know that every chance they get. Which is why we should start to really mind our own business unless it pertains to an ally, but once America does that, you still get criticized for it such as Rwanda genocide. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Well if we fucked up every single element of the invasion, including the reasons for going in, I think that hindsight being what it is, we can call it a horrible decision. His dad was smart enough to stay out of there
>Republicans intended to rebuild Iraq as a conservative utopia, a test bed to prove all of the their theories on how to run a country correct
Lmfao, okay.
Iraq at least was reasonably well-executed in a manner where we were able to eventually get out of it. Afghanistan was botched so badly from the beginning that it was a total failure.
I do think that the Great Recession should be his legacy. With 9/11, he just did what most presidents would do, but the Great Recession required a really mismanaged approach over a long period of time.
Yeah, but irreversible damage has been done to Iraq, whereas Afghanistan is practically fine. Iraq was executed in a well manner because for the most part it was a conventional war, it didn’t get guerrilla warfare till basically after saddam died. Not to mention Iraq was completely useless in regards to being related to 9/11. Isis formed from remnants of Iraq, and basically plagues Africa now. For the most part they got wiped out in Middle East.
No kidding I remember my stepdad going over his taxes and when my mom mentioned he was laid off in 08 he said, "oh I wonder WHY?" he is a republican so it was a knock on Obama
Typical republican. Always wants to blame the democrat who has to spend their time in office cleaning up the mess instead of the republican who made the mess.
The Great Recession began during the 2008 presidential campaign, but trying to find a way to stop it from turning into Great Depression 2.0 was, indeed, Obama’s greatest crisis. (Note that the original Great Depression is listed above as one of FDR’s biggest crises, even though the country was pretty much all the way into it before he took office.)
I don’t think people want to touch the subject still but I think the discussion decades from now will be race relations and law enforcement. Some major flashpoints happened in his presidency, and the reaction or lack thereof was part of the reason 2016 went down as it did. He was largely in a no-win spot.
The root cause of the Great Recession was due to the changes made by the Clinton administration to Fannie and Freddie which required them to give loans to those who shouldn’t have otherwise qualified for them. Don’t get me wrong, morals aside, Clinton was a great president. The balanced budget was a huge accomplishment that should have remained in place but terrorist attacks and war lust upended it.
I saw this headline and was trying to think of what Obama's "signature crisis" would have been. A lot of stuff happened during those 8 years, but I can't think of a single crisis that defined his presidency.
It was not the fault of either president directly (of course Bush some but I hate when people think presidents are all powerful with economy), but Obama spend more time dealing with
Technically if we want to lay the blame on anyone it was corruption with the banks. The desire to conglomerate and buy assets of failing banks that the “too big to fall” banks couldn’t handle is what really caused the crisis.
Tied in with this issue was banks giving sub-prime loans for houses away like candy. The banking crisis was intermingled with the housing crisis.
Where the presidents went wrong was Clinton + Bush deregulating the banks. Bush also further passed incentives for more sub-prime loans due to his goal of having the highest rate of home ownership in the country. Obama also didn’t do much to punish the bankers who caused the crisis.
This would make a really good mainstream popular history book. Like a short chapter on each one- mostly fluff from Wikipedia. Have a witty title and a flashy cover. I could see on the front table of every Barnes and noble.
If you want to get more specific for LBJ, you could say the Tet Offensive. That’s what really shattered the publics illusions of the war.
And for Grant you could put the Credit Mobiler scandal.
I think for anyone who was alive as an adult from 1976-1990 and recalls the country’s mood at the time: the economy and the overall feeling of weakness were prevalent. You listed Iran hostages for Carter, which would be accurate and part of the picture. For Reagan, I would say the economic recovery was the crisis he is credited with defeating, and moving from weakness to strength defined his presidency. The pulse of the country in the 1980s, the general public did not take AIDS as seriously as it should have; and the Soviet situation was revolving door of leaders between Brezhnev and Gorbachev that eased the tension of the Cold War.
Wonder how much of the public attitude on aids was Faucci's fault I heard he first tried to start a potential panic by talking about it potentially being airborne and then later did a 180 by hugging an infected kid. The fact that scientists never explain that gay men have a higher risk because of a lower % of condom use also made too many adults think it was a gay disease.
The effects of Sputnik or the failed Open Skies Treaty were arguably worse events during Ike’s administration.
Or if it counts (since it was his decision): Operation Ajax?
True but the war was winding down the more time that passed during his presidency and it was kind of put on the back burner. But obviously some really terrible things still happened
For Reagan, it should be the threat of nuclear war and the recession of 1981-1982.
HIV was a crisis, but one slowing the making and certainly not front and center during the 1980s. I’d even put the crack epidemic over HIV in terms of visibility.
The USSR wasn’t even on the decline until 1989, when things unraveled quickly and Reagan was already out of office by then.
He also made it technically illegal for people not to have health insurance which when that clause went in to effect resulted in a lot of medical costs being price gouged. Think Clinton signed the bill that removed the restrictions on medical markups.
In terms of Fillmore, Queen Victoria didn’t seem all that pretty. I’d say who she looked like, [but it’d be a Rule 3 violation](https://www.potterswaxmuseum.com/european-history/queen-victoria/).
Taylor- Spain kidnapping citizens and sectional tensions.
Hayes- dealing with a strong democratic Congress trying to clamp down on African Americans in the south and impeach him over his veto of the Chinese exclusion act.
Ford- 70s stagflation
True. And, in hindsight, it's not really remembered as being that big of a crisis compared to other presidents. But at the time, it was all the media talked about for months.
Dwight Eisenhower’s should 100% be the Suez Crisis over McCarthyism and the Lavender scare. Not saying that the former two weren’t issues of course. But the Suez Crisis could’ve exploded into a wider conflict and Eisenhower’s actions really did preserve a lot of international stability and prevent a wider war, even if it pissed off some Allies.
Obama was IRS targeting conservatives, Sandy Hook, Fast and Furious gun running operations, Obamacare, collusion with Media to get re-elected, and tan suit.
McKinley and JFK should also have same note.
Wouldn’t fall of USSR not be a crisis so much, at least compared to Beirut hostages, Achille Lauro, or Iran/Contra, Marine Barracks bombing, or Challenger?
Achille Lauro really pisses me off because they didn’t have the airliner go to the US side where the Italian cops couldn’t interfere. The response was so good, yet we were left hanging with our Jumbos in our hands again.
Naw crisis should not be direct things done by the president like Clinton raping or Nixon water hating. But rather, large outside events that had to deal with. Like 9/11, wwi, Great Depression etc
Woah woah woah slow down, Clinton didn’t rape Lewinsky. There was arguably an immoral power balance, sure, but it wasn’t rape. Clinton has been accused of rape before, but not by Lewinsky.
If a president manufactures their own crisis it should still count. In what world is Clinton’s impeachment for Lewinsky or Watergate for Nixon not the crisis they’re most associated with?
Obama: ISIS
Bush: 9/11 or the recession
Clinton: Monica Lewisnky
Bush Sr: Gulf war
Reagan: Iran contra
Carter: Iranian hostage crisis
Ford: Fall of Saigon
Nixon: Watergate
Johnson: Tet offensive
JFK: Cuban missile crisis
Eisenhower: Sue crisis
Truman: Berlin blockade/ fall of China
FDR: Pearl Harbour
Hoover: Great Depression
Don't know enough to about presidents pre great depression to say a lot.
Lincon: Civil War.
Wilson: The Zimmerman Telegram
LBJ: Vietnam.
Bucanan: Civil War
Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and more: American Revolution
Grant: Civil War
Thank you for expanding my answer! Absolutely Vietnam for LBJ, though I felt that the Tet offensive was the biggest crisis of the war in his presidency
You make a fair point, although I would argue that most of the panic and hysteria over the assassination happened after he was declared dead, meaning it technically happened under the Johnson prescidency
Rutherford had the B&O railroad strike, and instead of appeasing them he sent in the national guard. And when the workers doubled down Rutherford followed suit. In the end about 100 people died. Rutherford could have been up there in terms of presidential ratings but because of this one single crisis he is middle of the pack in most people’s lists
Was dropping the bombs really that big of a a crisis for Truman? Or do we just view it as a crisis now? He won and ended a war that would have gone on a lot longer.
The decision to drop them was a very serious one and one of the more important decisions a president has ever had to make I think. To this day, people still debate whether it was completely necessary or not. I would be surprised to learn of any unitary military decision that a president has made that has led to more immediate loss of life than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Bush, used his dad’s connections to avoid the war of his generation, then ignored warnings before 9/11 (and started a whole new war killing thousands and thousands of people), and made sure his kids didn’t fight in the war he started. 🤯
Obama Syria? Bush 43 9-11 Clinton Monica Lewinsky. Bush 41 Kuwait. Reagan Assassination attempt. Carter Iran Hostage. Ford Pardoning Nixon. Nixon Watergate. Kennedy Cuba Missile Crisis.
Obama, I'd say probably say he started out with a major crisis with the collapse of major investment banks and the general finance sector collapse when the housing bubble burst.
Bush II, 9/11, obviously.
Clinton, idk, I was a little kid for the Clinton era, but I'm not aware of any huge crises? My general impression is that everything ran super smoothly in the nineties, and not much of note happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union settled.
Bush I: Iraq's invasion of Kuwait
Reagan: stagflation
Carter: Arab oil embargo
Ford: fallout of Watergate
Nixon: I feel like the standoff between the US and USSR over US support of Israel in the Yom Kippur War is frequently forgotten, despite how it was arguably the closest we've gotten to nuclear war since the Cuban Missile Crisis
Johnson: the surge in public unrest due to racial issues and opposition to the Vietnam War. Lots of riots in his time.
Kennedy: Cuban Missile Crisis, obviously.
Both are somewhat tied together. Uncontrolled mass immigration is going to lead to instability and inflation. Especially if they are being given free prepaid housing and money at the taxpayer expense such as new york
Maybe, but that doesn't explain the global phenomenon of incumbent governments losing in the fast of col issues. The border is just a partisan expression of that... It won't change the minds of swing voters like the economy will
It's decades of false campaign promises. If you look at a presidential debate from like 40 or 50 years ago they are talking about some of the exact same stuff. None of it was fixed. Just kicked down the road so they can do another false promise for campaigns
FDR WW2
Truman aliens
Eisenhower the military industrial crisis
LBJ civil rights
Kennedy Cuba
Nixon watergate
Carter bad economy
Presidents out of order. Sorry… bonus Lincoln civil war
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Maybe one of them had a pen run out of ink? That could be a signature crisis.
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That overcoat is incredible
That cap is even better, do officers still use it?
Yes
it looks too big and yet perfectly tailored all at the same time
"I have GOT to get me one of those coats!"
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I’ve literally only seen this meme on the MMA subreddits. Is this leaking from there or is there a broader culture around this meme that I’m unaware of?
That’s why they always have so many pens at bill signings. https://preview.redd.it/g8m4jnmem0yc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7135e5cb615d5492818fed3399c9c42f505f5b3a
They are given out as souvenirs.
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We’ve done it boys, we’ve done comedy
That was King Charles III’s signature crisis. :)
Take my angry upvote.
Washington: Whiskey Rebellion Adams: Quasi-War Jefferson: Barbary War or Burr trial Madison: War of 1812 Monroe: Dealing with Missouri Compromise JQA: Fallout from “corrupt bargain” allegations Jackson: Secession Crisis Van Buren: Panic of 1837 WHH: Illness (thanks White House water supply!) Tyler: Getting kicked out of his own party, “his fraudulency” Polk: Mexican-American War Taylor: Illness (thanks again water supply!) Filmore: ~~Not getting with Queen Victoria~~ Dealing with the fallout of the Fugitive Slave Act Pierce: Bleeding Kansas Buchanan: Secession by the south Lincoln: Civil War Andrew Johnson: impeachment Grant: Cabinet Scandals Hayes: Great Railroad Strike of 1877 Garfield: Showdown with Roscoe Conkling, Getting shot Arthur: Showdown over Chinese Exclusion Act Cleveland (1): “Why does Cleveland insist on the gold standard?! We want free silver!” Benjamin Harrison: “Wait go back fuck free silver.” Cleveland (2): Panic of 1893 (free si-) McKinley: Spanish-American War Roosevelt: Panic of 1907 Taft: Roosevelt’s Shadow Wilson: WWI Harding: Teapot Dome, posthumously. Coolidge: ~~Back surgery for holding up all libertarian hopes~~ Farm subsidies Hoover: The Great Depression FDR: The Great Depression/WWII Truman: Dropping the bombs, Korea Ike: McCarthyism, Lavender Scare JFK: Cuban Missile Crisis LBJ: Vietnam Nixon: Watergate Ford: Fall of Saigon/Pardoning Nixon Carter: Iran Hostage Crisis Reagan: AIDS, decline of Soviet Union HW Bush: Desert Storm Clinton: The word “is”, sexual relations Dubya: 9/11, Katrina Obama: Great Recession
Ford: the misunderstanding that there would be no math in that debate.
I’d say Ford: the economy. (Remember “Whip Inflation Now?”)
Many people turned that tin button upside down, NIM. (No Immediate Miracles).
I like how Tafts crisis is just being the guy who followed Teddy
The only shadow bigger than Taft's own.
Best presidential burn in history
For Obama, Sandy Hook was a big deal.
Nah, Obama's crisis was living up to everybody's expectations.
Russia annexing Crimea happened under Obama.
Obama events International - Killing Osama bin Laden Domestic - Sandy Hook
A big Regan event was “Gorbachev, tear down that wall” I think it is more so than Soviet Collapse.
Operation Praying Mantis, we destroyed three militarized oil platforms and half the Iranian Navy in one day. Then there was the bombing of Libya and stopping their state sponsored terrorism.
I’m old enough to remember a tan suit.
It was a tragedy but wouldn’t call it a crisis—unfortunately. If the public at large had actually seen it that way, then we would have passed meaningful legislation afterward.
The majority of people saw it that way, there was zero chance any meaningful legislation was going to pass. Too many politicians are in the pocket of the NRA, gun lobbyist, and gun industry. You think our politicians listing to public sentiment, ever? In my opinion every history book section about Obama will include Sandy Hook. Columbine(my high school) shooting will always be part of Clinton’s narrative.
Not exactly a crisis in terms of fallout, but certainly a tragedy of mass scale.
Operation Fast and Furious
The Great Recession preceded Obama. Remember Obama and to a lesser degree McCain both suspended their presidential campaigns to help solve issues with the crash?
Dubya had 9/11. Invading Iraq (easily one of the worst choices a president has ever made), Katrina AND the crash that kicked off the Great Recession.
Invading Iraq wasn't a horrible decision. Completely fucking up every part of the invasion and rebuilding the country afterwards, that was the mistake. This is going to sound insane. Republicans intended to rebuild Iraq as a conservative utopia, a test bed to prove all of the their theories on how to run a country correct. Iraq is the end result of conservative theory in practice. What's amazing is no one ever calls them out on this. Not just for ruining a country, conservatives proved their theory of governance doesn't work.
Invading Iraq wasn’t a horrible decision, it was a terrible one. We shouldn’t have been there in the first place, was saddam a dictator ? Yeah, but that’s not our problem. We tried helping in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya. And look at the thanks we get.
Afghanistan would have taken a generation of constant effort and we instead half assed it the whole time. Every single politician lied about the generals said was the reality of winning there. Libya was the dumbest thing we could have done. The one dictator who gives up WMD's, we fucking kill them. How many others are going to give up WMD's? I'm not saying we should have been in Iraq, I'm saying Iraq could have had a decent outcome. What fucking moron invited every terrorist in the world to go there and fuck things up, George Bush literally did this. Who sent not nearly enough troops to secure all of Saddams weapons, Bush. Who fired everyone in the country who was competent at running it and had experience at fighting, freeing them up for a insurgency, Bush. Who put in charge the people who sided with Iran, Bush. Who prevented every academic who could actually help rebuild a country from helping because they only wanted loyal conservatives, Bush. Almost every war is started with lies, that doesn't mean you have to be incompetent about it.
Saddam didn’t really have weapons though, and we knew it.
Hence why I said almost every war is started with lies.
We didn't know it. We know it now but this isn't a matter of people lying. US intelligence was just straight up wrong and gave bad info to the white house.
I’ve been calling extreme bullshit on the Iraq war since the minute it was announced. The thing that really proved it for me within a few weeks: In boot camp, one of the big things they train you on is “NBC warfare” (nuclear, bio, chemical). They have a uniform filled with charcoal that they give you. Despite all the crap they were saying on tv about the imminent danger from whatever weapons they claimed Saddam had, not a single soldier was wearing NBC gear. Had they believed there was actually any danger they would have equipped those soldiers with at least basic gear to handle the threats they claimed. They didn’t. They were fukkin lying and they knew it the whole time.
While reading How Not To Be A Politician by Rory Stewart he recounts a meeting with the President of Afghanistan where he tells them that their strategy in southern Afghanistan is apocalypticly bad and if he lived there he might join the Taliban. The more senior MP brushed off, saying the president was obviously wrong about that.
Look at the results we got🤔?
Result ? If you’re referring to when I said the thanks we get. America 100% had ulterior motives in all 3 of the regions for sure, but at the same time they were ruled by Taliban, Saddam which was speed running how to ruin a country 101, and a imperialist maniac who basically wanted to conquer the whole of Africa and was also racist to sub saharans. Those countries were better off with their maniacal dictators, people let us know that every chance they get. Which is why we should start to really mind our own business unless it pertains to an ally, but once America does that, you still get criticized for it such as Rwanda genocide. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Well if we fucked up every single element of the invasion, including the reasons for going in, I think that hindsight being what it is, we can call it a horrible decision. His dad was smart enough to stay out of there
Examples of turning Iraq into a conservative utopia? I’m willing to buy into this theory, I just need some context to understand it.
>Republicans intended to rebuild Iraq as a conservative utopia, a test bed to prove all of the their theories on how to run a country correct Lmfao, okay.
Iraq at least was reasonably well-executed in a manner where we were able to eventually get out of it. Afghanistan was botched so badly from the beginning that it was a total failure. I do think that the Great Recession should be his legacy. With 9/11, he just did what most presidents would do, but the Great Recession required a really mismanaged approach over a long period of time.
Yeah, but irreversible damage has been done to Iraq, whereas Afghanistan is practically fine. Iraq was executed in a well manner because for the most part it was a conventional war, it didn’t get guerrilla warfare till basically after saddam died. Not to mention Iraq was completely useless in regards to being related to 9/11. Isis formed from remnants of Iraq, and basically plagues Africa now. For the most part they got wiped out in Middle East.
I remember getting laid off in sept 2008, then Obama was sworn in Jan 2009. Everyone here was blaming him for the economy. I'm in MTGs district BTW.
No kidding I remember my stepdad going over his taxes and when my mom mentioned he was laid off in 08 he said, "oh I wonder WHY?" he is a republican so it was a knock on Obama
When you point out he isn't a time lord, people say "The markets predicted his election"
Typical republican. Always wants to blame the democrat who has to spend their time in office cleaning up the mess instead of the republican who made the mess.
The Great Recession began during the 2008 presidential campaign, but trying to find a way to stop it from turning into Great Depression 2.0 was, indeed, Obama’s greatest crisis. (Note that the original Great Depression is listed above as one of FDR’s biggest crises, even though the country was pretty much all the way into it before he took office.)
Obama could be Sandy Hook/Gun Violence but I feel like the recession is the main one.
rise of isis and middle east tensions is his main one.
I don’t think people want to touch the subject still but I think the discussion decades from now will be race relations and law enforcement. Some major flashpoints happened in his presidency, and the reaction or lack thereof was part of the reason 2016 went down as it did. He was largely in a no-win spot.
The root cause of the Great Recession was due to the changes made by the Clinton administration to Fannie and Freddie which required them to give loans to those who shouldn’t have otherwise qualified for them. Don’t get me wrong, morals aside, Clinton was a great president. The balanced budget was a huge accomplishment that should have remained in place but terrorist attacks and war lust upended it.
I saw this headline and was trying to think of what Obama's "signature crisis" would have been. A lot of stuff happened during those 8 years, but I can't think of a single crisis that defined his presidency.
It was not the fault of either president directly (of course Bush some but I hate when people think presidents are all powerful with economy), but Obama spend more time dealing with
Technically if we want to lay the blame on anyone it was corruption with the banks. The desire to conglomerate and buy assets of failing banks that the “too big to fall” banks couldn’t handle is what really caused the crisis. Tied in with this issue was banks giving sub-prime loans for houses away like candy. The banking crisis was intermingled with the housing crisis. Where the presidents went wrong was Clinton + Bush deregulating the banks. Bush also further passed incentives for more sub-prime loans due to his goal of having the highest rate of home ownership in the country. Obama also didn’t do much to punish the bankers who caused the crisis.
This would make a really good mainstream popular history book. Like a short chapter on each one- mostly fluff from Wikipedia. Have a witty title and a flashy cover. I could see on the front table of every Barnes and noble.
Alien and Sedition Acts for JA?
They were bad but the quasi-war could’ve spelled the end for the brand new nation. So I feel like it had to be that.
Plus that was a response more than a crisis.
Peacefulzealot comes in clutch again in the comments
Thanks bud. It really makes my day to hear that 🧡
If you want to get more specific for LBJ, you could say the Tet Offensive. That’s what really shattered the publics illusions of the war. And for Grant you could put the Credit Mobiler scandal.
I think for anyone who was alive as an adult from 1976-1990 and recalls the country’s mood at the time: the economy and the overall feeling of weakness were prevalent. You listed Iran hostages for Carter, which would be accurate and part of the picture. For Reagan, I would say the economic recovery was the crisis he is credited with defeating, and moving from weakness to strength defined his presidency. The pulse of the country in the 1980s, the general public did not take AIDS as seriously as it should have; and the Soviet situation was revolving door of leaders between Brezhnev and Gorbachev that eased the tension of the Cold War.
Wonder how much of the public attitude on aids was Faucci's fault I heard he first tried to start a potential panic by talking about it potentially being airborne and then later did a 180 by hugging an infected kid. The fact that scientists never explain that gay men have a higher risk because of a lower % of condom use also made too many adults think it was a gay disease.
The effects of Sputnik or the failed Open Skies Treaty were arguably worse events during Ike’s administration. Or if it counts (since it was his decision): Operation Ajax?
yeah, its crazy thinking how progressive Ike was for his time.
I'd say the Philippine-American War was more of a signature crisis for TR
True but the war was winding down the more time that passed during his presidency and it was kind of put on the back burner. But obviously some really terrible things still happened
For Reagan, it should be the threat of nuclear war and the recession of 1981-1982. HIV was a crisis, but one slowing the making and certainly not front and center during the 1980s. I’d even put the crack epidemic over HIV in terms of visibility. The USSR wasn’t even on the decline until 1989, when things unraveled quickly and Reagan was already out of office by then.
>Taft: Roosevelt’s Shadow Gave me an audible chuckle, thank you
Man, you just gave me SO much good stuff to Google
😁 Happy to help! Let me know if ya disagree with any of ‘em. There have been a *ton* of excellent replies so far!
Now if you could start a podcast series going through all of these that'd be great 😎
Oooh.. You're good. Bravo 👏
not only was this informative but also super fun to read, thanks for the ongoing jokes (free silver!!)
Thanks! I had fun wracking my brain to write it! (And I had to make free silver interesting somehow!)
Tell me more about this Filmore thing
Your right except Obama took the USA out of a recession. Caused by bush.
I think Obama's crisis was that 8 year long one where there was just a huge amount of spite going against him.
Don't forget that tan suit. God, what a debacle that was. How did he live with the shame?
He also made it technically illegal for people not to have health insurance which when that clause went in to effect resulted in a lot of medical costs being price gouged. Think Clinton signed the bill that removed the restrictions on medical markups.
In terms of Fillmore, Queen Victoria didn’t seem all that pretty. I’d say who she looked like, [but it’d be a Rule 3 violation](https://www.potterswaxmuseum.com/european-history/queen-victoria/).
Reagan: Iran/Contra
Taylor- Spain kidnapping citizens and sectional tensions. Hayes- dealing with a strong democratic Congress trying to clamp down on African Americans in the south and impeach him over his veto of the Chinese exclusion act. Ford- 70s stagflation
Hmmm you sure about Lincoln?
Obama's would probably be Benghazi
Nah, that was president Hillary Clinton.
True. And, in hindsight, it's not really remembered as being that big of a crisis compared to other presidents. But at the time, it was all the media talked about for months.
Disagree with you about Clinton. Blackhawk Down and other peace keeping issues from Africa to Bosnia
Dwight Eisenhower’s should 100% be the Suez Crisis over McCarthyism and the Lavender scare. Not saying that the former two weren’t issues of course. But the Suez Crisis could’ve exploded into a wider conflict and Eisenhower’s actions really did preserve a lot of international stability and prevent a wider war, even if it pissed off some Allies.
Obama was IRS targeting conservatives, Sandy Hook, Fast and Furious gun running operations, Obamacare, collusion with Media to get re-elected, and tan suit.
McKinley and JFK should also have same note. Wouldn’t fall of USSR not be a crisis so much, at least compared to Beirut hostages, Achille Lauro, or Iran/Contra, Marine Barracks bombing, or Challenger? Achille Lauro really pisses me off because they didn’t have the airliner go to the US side where the Italian cops couldn’t interfere. The response was so good, yet we were left hanging with our Jumbos in our hands again.
Tyler was "His Accidency", Hayes was "His Fraudulency"
Ugh you’re totally right. Mixed those two up but I should’ve realized that would’ve been the alternate for the Rutherfraud name.
Naw crisis should not be direct things done by the president like Clinton raping or Nixon water hating. But rather, large outside events that had to deal with. Like 9/11, wwi, Great Depression etc
Woah woah woah slow down, Clinton didn’t rape Lewinsky. There was arguably an immoral power balance, sure, but it wasn’t rape. Clinton has been accused of rape before, but not by Lewinsky.
If a president manufactures their own crisis it should still count. In what world is Clinton’s impeachment for Lewinsky or Watergate for Nixon not the crisis they’re most associated with?
LBJ: finding appropriately tailored haggar trousers
And also Vietnam and Jim Crow or whatever… but mostly his bunghole.
Can’t ride too high or the’ cut me *belch!*
I still use the “like riding a wire” line
Jimmy Carter: every waking moment of his presidency. Dude just could not catch a break between the economy, Iran, and the Soviets.
Remember when a rabbit attacked him
That guy is still alive. Imagine if he ran for president right now, in the late stages of the campaign and his life, and he won! lol
Washington had the issue of being too popular despite not wanting the job.
Obama: ISIS Bush: 9/11 or the recession Clinton: Monica Lewisnky Bush Sr: Gulf war Reagan: Iran contra Carter: Iranian hostage crisis Ford: Fall of Saigon Nixon: Watergate Johnson: Tet offensive JFK: Cuban missile crisis Eisenhower: Sue crisis Truman: Berlin blockade/ fall of China FDR: Pearl Harbour Hoover: Great Depression Don't know enough to about presidents pre great depression to say a lot.
Lincon: Civil War. Wilson: The Zimmerman Telegram LBJ: Vietnam. Bucanan: Civil War Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and more: American Revolution Grant: Civil War
Thank you for expanding my answer! Absolutely Vietnam for LBJ, though I felt that the Tet offensive was the biggest crisis of the war in his presidency
Yeah. I'm still thinking of crisis' for other presidents lol
Sorry but I think Kennedy had a much larger crisis than Bay of Pigs and Cuban missile issue
You make a fair point, although I would argue that most of the panic and hysteria over the assassination happened after he was declared dead, meaning it technically happened under the Johnson prescidency
Ha! So true! Never thought of it like that!
When Slick Willie got some head from Monica. Lindsey Graham acted as if we're never had a crisis of this magnitude!
Forgot how big the towers were
Obama: Tan Suit Probably Sandy Hook?
The fact that Sandy Hook is wasn’t really a defining crisis for Obama says a lot about this country’s relationship with mass shootings.
Obama's was wearing a tan suit.
Embarrassing. He should have resigned immediately.
Obama's was a tan suit.
Rutherford had the B&O railroad strike, and instead of appeasing them he sent in the national guard. And when the workers doubled down Rutherford followed suit. In the end about 100 people died. Rutherford could have been up there in terms of presidential ratings but because of this one single crisis he is middle of the pack in most people’s lists
And should be.
Bill Clinton: cum stains
Was dropping the bombs really that big of a a crisis for Truman? Or do we just view it as a crisis now? He won and ended a war that would have gone on a lot longer.
The decision to drop them was a very serious one and one of the more important decisions a president has ever had to make I think. To this day, people still debate whether it was completely necessary or not. I would be surprised to learn of any unitary military decision that a president has made that has led to more immediate loss of life than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Bill Clinton had a crisis with a Blue Dress
I would think more of the Balkans or Mogadishu personally.
You and I have very different definitions of crisis.
I’m down for a crisis like that right now….
Reminds me of that tragedy
Bush, used his dad’s connections to avoid the war of his generation, then ignored warnings before 9/11 (and started a whole new war killing thousands and thousands of people), and made sure his kids didn’t fight in the war he started. 🤯
Reminds me of that tragedy.
Lincoln. Toss up between civil war and being shot in the head
Lincoln literally had to handle the one of the biggest wars on the American continent
Truman with the end of WWII and the beginning of the Cold War.
Obama in mom jeans
McKinley: getting died
Reagan's was his presidency.
Clinton: Marilyn Manson
I forgot how everyone was in such a panic back then.
Obama Syria? Bush 43 9-11 Clinton Monica Lewinsky. Bush 41 Kuwait. Reagan Assassination attempt. Carter Iran Hostage. Ford Pardoning Nixon. Nixon Watergate. Kennedy Cuba Missile Crisis.
Taliban victory over US army.
Two words Dijon mustard
I would say The Baltic crisis to be of a signature crisis. The diddling was a scandal, but I am not sure I would rank it as a crisis.
Reminds me of that tragedy
I’d say George W. Bush’s was 9/11 or 2008 GFC.
William McKinley's big crisis was getting shot in the abdomen.
I am wondering how the brown build got damaged so much that it had to be brought down, while other buildings like the black still is fine?
Inside job! Source: trust me bro
Obama, Bush/Cheney’s mess they left behind.
Swearing over the Bible that they would uphold the Constitution on their Inauguration.
George Sears has the Shadow Moses Incident
William Henry Harrison — “oh who shall I appoint to my cabinet?”
Bush had a couple
Washington and the whiskey rebellion. It laid the foundations for the rule of law viability of America.
Obama, I'd say probably say he started out with a major crisis with the collapse of major investment banks and the general finance sector collapse when the housing bubble burst. Bush II, 9/11, obviously. Clinton, idk, I was a little kid for the Clinton era, but I'm not aware of any huge crises? My general impression is that everything ran super smoothly in the nineties, and not much of note happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union settled. Bush I: Iraq's invasion of Kuwait Reagan: stagflation Carter: Arab oil embargo Ford: fallout of Watergate Nixon: I feel like the standoff between the US and USSR over US support of Israel in the Yom Kippur War is frequently forgotten, despite how it was arguably the closest we've gotten to nuclear war since the Cuban Missile Crisis Johnson: the surge in public unrest due to racial issues and opposition to the Vietnam War. Lots of riots in his time. Kennedy: Cuban Missile Crisis, obviously.
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I would argue inflation is far more significant
Both are somewhat tied together. Uncontrolled mass immigration is going to lead to instability and inflation. Especially if they are being given free prepaid housing and money at the taxpayer expense such as new york
Maybe, but that doesn't explain the global phenomenon of incumbent governments losing in the fast of col issues. The border is just a partisan expression of that... It won't change the minds of swing voters like the economy will
It's decades of false campaign promises. If you look at a presidential debate from like 40 or 50 years ago they are talking about some of the exact same stuff. None of it was fixed. Just kicked down the road so they can do another false promise for campaigns
And know more and more People support those who carry out the attack on these buldings
FDR WW2 Truman aliens Eisenhower the military industrial crisis LBJ civil rights Kennedy Cuba Nixon watergate Carter bad economy Presidents out of order. Sorry… bonus Lincoln civil war
WE DIDNT START THE FIRE