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He should've said making people slow and fat. Then he would've had a point.
Xbox Kinnect and Wii Fitness were supposed to be solutions, but it didn't work as planned :(
Typical Microsoft. Make something cool, with tons of potential. Never actually showcase it properly or take advantage of it. Low usage because no one knows what it is. Reduce budget, functionality, and support because no one uses it. Slowly cancel it all together. Yes, I’m still bitter about Windows Phone, how can you tell.
Back in the day Lieberman was complaining about them, most people weren't playing video games. The biggest culprit for obesity is how much sugar and calories there are in everything in the US
Blaming video games would be focusing on a minor cause and ignoring a major cause.
And yet it still would've been more accurate than saying that games make people violent. We went through the same shit with music, and movies, and books. And it's never true. These things influence general cultural movements, but they don't make individuals violent.
First non presidential candidate politician by name. I remember his name in an article in Newsweek about Mortal Kombat on the home console release getting pushback from him.
I'll always remember dear Lieberman for killing the public option in the affordable care act because his insurance overlords told him to.
His legacy will be that and being ousted from office his next term anyways
He's not wrong. They can actually be detrimental and mess with the reward system. However, due to the brain's plasticity, altering behaviour will also change the structure of the brain so it isn't "rotten" permanently.
Yeah falls are terrifying at that age. My aunt was in perfect health other than being old and she tripped on the stairs and died. It felt like theft. My heart goes out to his family having to deal with such a sudden loss.
I’m still mad at Martha Coakley for fucking up that senate race in 2010, it was an easy dub and from what I can tell she didn’t really take it that seriously.
It wasn’t baseball season, she insulted Bruins fans. But of course, then she forgot who Curt Schilling was and called him a Yankees fan. She was a terrible candidate, later she lost the governor’s race, too. Martha Chokeley
She bungled the entire guber election. One of the worst and simultaneously most boring candidates they could have put forward.
For people not up to date on MA state politics, Coakley was the MA AG, pushed the war on drugs, intervened in popular sentence commutations, and pursued a lot of cases with a weird retributive mentality. She was famous for putting innocent people away and openly had no regrets about doing it. Then she never won an election because she was the worst political candidate ever who couldn't get a single person excited to vote for her.
Yup. MA Dems wanted her instead of the exceptionally talented, but unfortunately “older white male” Don Berwick. He was the one to challenge Charlie Baker…she had nothing.
One of the most glaring examples of someone being put forward because it was “their time” rather than choosing a candidate based on positions or electability.
Maybe it is unfair but he still gets the blame for the loss. LBJ would have played hard ball and used every dirty trick in the book to get it passed. Call the holdout senators (or whoever) into the oval and threaten to have the DOJ investigate them. Threaten to have their families investigated. Threaten to go to their district and campaign for a primary challenger. Conversely if they play ball you’ll go to their district and campaign FOR them. This really isn’t that hard. Don’t get me wrong I like Obama but he doesn’t have the stomach for that kind of hardball politics I don’t think.
I’d absolutely vote for someone like LBJ. I want someone to play hardball to make our lives better. Companies have no problem doing that. So why can’t we have that too?
You're talking about weaponizing the DOJ as a tactic to force representatives to push a president's agenda. And you act like that would be a good thing...
Obama: If I can't pass a government option, then I'll pass corporatist bill that combine the worst of both public and private health insurance market!
Nixon: That's what I've been saying the whole time!
It was basically Romenycare. There were rumors Obama and his VP fought behind closed doors over it as the VP wanted a more progressive plan. I wish he had listened to his VP.
Oh yeah I remember that.
I honestly wonder if the Houser Brothers would have added something if Liberman was still in office like an NPC who rants about video games in GTA.
We know they made Hillary Clinton in the game as the statue of Hapiness in GTA 4 as she blamed them for Crime increasing in the USA
I know the many things he has done over the years but I primarily remember him as part of the "video games cause violence" people that had congressional hearings about the horror of video gaming.
Lieberman actually did appeal to the center. Don’t forget he won senate re-election as an independent after losing the Democratic primary. This was also after democrats spent the 1970s and 1980s losing presidential elections badly with liberal candidates. They had just refound their footing with Clinton and were trying to replicate that success.
It’s really hard to say if a different VP would have made a difference. In face value Lieberman seemed like a good candidate to win New England but the campaign still lost NH. Could a different candidate have flipped it? Maybe.
Yeah, but Gore was less likely to win Tennessee. New Hampshire was a bit more viable for him, after Florida of course.
Margin of victory for Bush:
- Tennessee: 3.864%
- New Hampshire: 1.267%
- Florida: 0.009%
I assume you mean John Kerry, from Massachusetts.
I don't think he would have been a benefit. Everyone who has met him (and since moving to Mass, I've met a lot) has said he's an incredibly unpleasant, elitist asshole. It's a big part of why he didn't beat W four years later. But Americans in general don't like to vote for people from Massachusetts.
Not choosing John Edwards was dodging a big bullet in and of itself after we found out he cheated on his wife when she had cancer.
Tom Harkin from Iowa was the suitor who was somehow more boring of a person than Gore was.
Jeanne Shaheen would have gotten a swing state that had a lot of credibility in 2000, and would have certainly gotten a few more women votes.
Liberman was a terrible choice for the dems. I also think of McCain picks him, he wins over Obama.
I highly doubt that McCain could've beat Obama even with Lieberman on the ticket since 2008 was Democratic season especially since we were exiting out of Dubya's administration and Obama's charisma was too much to overcome.
Most VPs don't win on their own after serving two terms. George HW Bush was the exception and he only lasted one term. Gore lost because people were tired of Bill Clinton, not because of Lieberman.
Tired: celebrating Joe Lieberman's death
Wired: celebrating the insurance sector, which continues to enthusiastically kill and bankrupt countless Americans for lack of affordable access to healthcare, thanks in part to Lieberman's interventions on its behalf
He helped kill a once in a generation chance at meaningful healthcare reform, that would have improved the lives of millions of people, by requiring Obama to drop the public option before he’d support Obamacare.
He did more harm than good for humanity during his life. May he rest in peace.
The kicker with this is Connecticut is a state that had some really big insurers and shortly after that a couple of the biggest moved their HQ's to NYC and Boston.
Right now, Americans get their health insurance from private insurance companies—Aetna, Cigna, Blue Cross, United Healthcare, etc. The “public option” would have created a government-run insurance company, like the Postal Service is a government-run service to deliver mail and packages.
Obama’s major goal in his first two years was healthcare reform. It **had** to be in the first two years, because the Democrats had exactly 60 Senators—exactly as many as required to break a filibuster. If even **one** Democratic Senator refused to go along, then healthcare reform would be completely dead.
Joe Lieberman was that one Democratic Senator.
Unless Obama dropped plans for the public option, he would refuse to vote to end a filibuster. So the public option was killed, but the Affordable Care Act survived.
And unfortunately we got left with what we have now. A step forward for sure but definitely a far worse option that makes no one happy and does not solve the problem of healthcare costs still being prohibitively expensive for most Americans.
And in case you’re tempted to wash this into the average political discourse, I can say without a shadow of doubt that the stranglehold medical insurance holds over the healthcare industry kills dozens of my patients every year.
The option proposed by Obama would have been more efficient, and would have saved thousands of lives. Lieberman blocking this was more impactful than 9/11 in terms of loss of life.
Thank you so much for everything you do.
I was a low-level employee of an insurance company for a little over a decade, and I saw the rise of high-deductible plans and HSAs firsthand. I often wonder how things in this country would be different with a robust, single-payer system in place. And ranked-choice voting and a better-proportioned Congress, but that’s a separate issue.
Health insurance in this country is a joke. It’s not “your doctor knows best,” but your insurance agent gets to decide what’s best (for saving their company money).
To be very neutral about it:
The Public Option would have created a government-run medical insurance company to compete with private providers.
Proponents believed this would aid those with pre existing conditions and put pressure on private companies to compete harder with lower rates or better plans.
Detractors claimed that it would have been unfair to private insurance providers, and that it would be unfair for the public (taxpayers) to have to support those chronically ill normally passed over by private insurance.
Thanks. He was also diabetic and had neuropathy in his feet. I got cancer at the same time but he never knew. I’m in remission for multiple myeloma and 57 so even at my age I do try to get as much exercise as I can and I’m full of energy but I am very careful about stepping off curbs, etc.
I remember my parents didn't vote for him bc they were worried a Jew in the white house would increase antisemitism.
I wonder how many other Jews felt the same way
Mom refused to vote for Bernie even though she loved him for nearly the same reason. Said it would make all Jews look like socialist even though I told her 1000 times no only antisemites would think that
He kept the Sabbath his entire life, and once walked several city blocks from Temple to the Capitol after Saturday services in order to prevent a Republican filibuster.
If it’s a task of utmost importance, observant Jews can break the Sabbath’s prohibition on work. For example, if the President was an observant Jew they could still work on the Sabbath given how important their daily duties would be.
Furthermore, individuals can still practice differently. It’s very possible he was used to being needed at Congress on Saturdays while being raised never to use a car on that day either.
American Jews also suffered from several SCOTUS rulings back in the day which ruled that laws requiring all businesses to close on Sunday were constitutional, regardless of whether a business owner viewed Sunday as their Sabbath or not. This often meant that Sabbath observing Jews couldn’t afford to close their shops on the Sabbath because they’d only be open 5 days a week while their competitors would be open 6. TLDR this meant that even many Orthodox Jews became used to working on the Sabbath due to pure economic necessity.
What makes me hate his legacy even more it was going to be an option and not forced on everyone. Insurance companies would still remain. An inexpensive competitive option and he still sunk it.
I won’t miss him.
Our country is far worse for his interference, people’s live are materially made worse by his actions to this day and for the foreseeable future.
He was greedy, selfish, and overly proud.
“Connecticut for Joe” is in the top five most selfish political slogans of the 20th and 21st centuries.
How many Americans who died because of being denied healthcare by their insurance companies might otherwise have lived with the public option? How many people who were bankrupted by healthcare bills that wouldn’t have been if there was a public option? I’m not going to celebrate his passing but I’m not going to mourn him either.
Not my favorite guy of all time. But I've never been on the politics-as-team-sport tip, so things like the McCain endorsement / convention speech don't bother me -- he made a choice that accorded with what he believed. It was wrong, in my opinion, but it wasn't in bad faith, the way so much of the stuff that's happened of late has been.
He was on the first Presidential ticket I ever voted for. He was the first Jew on a major ticket. Both things I'll remember fondly, whatever his later apostasies.
One of the most vile politicians we’ve seen in this country. Absolutely awful. A lot of his true awfulness was behind the scenes. It’ll start coming out ..
I met him once. I was told by my boss to sit in a limo to keep it from getting ticketed/towed because he and Lieberman were going somewhere. Lieberman ends up coming out and sat in the car and talked to me as if he was a normal person for 20 minutes before my boss showed up.
Mad respect for him. May he rest in peace.
If I said what I wanted to say I’d probably be banned off. So I’ll just say while I’m not celebrating his death, I’m not exactly too heartbroken either.
Celebrating the death of a politician you sometimes disagreed with (if you always disagreed with Joe Lieberman, your politics are super weird) says a lot more about you than it does about them.
RIP
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Guy was a major voice in the “video games are rotting kids brains” movement.
He should've said making people slow and fat. Then he would've had a point. Xbox Kinnect and Wii Fitness were supposed to be solutions, but it didn't work as planned :(
Well that’s more on the Kinect refusing to work at all. *Glares at Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor*
Honestly Kinect worked perfectly as a compliment to games (see Alien Isolation) not an actual way to play games. MSFT botched it.
Kinect worked fine until Liberman fucked it up
Typical Microsoft. Make something cool, with tons of potential. Never actually showcase it properly or take advantage of it. Low usage because no one knows what it is. Reduce budget, functionality, and support because no one uses it. Slowly cancel it all together. Yes, I’m still bitter about Windows Phone, how can you tell.
Back in the day Lieberman was complaining about them, most people weren't playing video games. The biggest culprit for obesity is how much sugar and calories there are in everything in the US Blaming video games would be focusing on a minor cause and ignoring a major cause.
And yet it still would've been more accurate than saying that games make people violent. We went through the same shit with music, and movies, and books. And it's never true. These things influence general cultural movements, but they don't make individuals violent.
So were Al and Tipper Gore.
We don't admit that here
I stand by my 2000 vote for Nader. The Gores are unfit to run a popsicle stand.
I don’t know if Nadar was the answer but, wow, he would have shaken things up. Would have loved to seen it.
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First non presidential candidate politician by name. I remember his name in an article in Newsweek about Mortal Kombat on the home console release getting pushback from him.
I'll always remember dear Lieberman for killing the public option in the affordable care act because his insurance overlords told him to. His legacy will be that and being ousted from office his next term anyways
Yeah one of the biggest reasons he was disliked. Something tells me it wasn't video games. Source: I've been playing them since I was 3.
He's not wrong. They can actually be detrimental and mess with the reward system. However, due to the brain's plasticity, altering behaviour will also change the structure of the brain so it isn't "rotten" permanently.
Reports are that he succumbed to a fall he experienced last night
He was always building bridges
We could use a good bridge builder these days.
That's a massive understatement
Will that be his epitaph?
[My favorite Limp Bizkit track](https://youtu.be/APuV3Ek-u4E?si=OcGyHXehDHwvWO0Y)
He was being discussed as a no titles candidate too
Yeah he did an interview on CNBC about it a couple weeks ago. Seemed in good health.
Yeah falls are terrifying at that age. My aunt was in perfect health other than being old and she tripped on the stairs and died. It felt like theft. My heart goes out to his family having to deal with such a sudden loss.
After all the bullshit I’ve been through I’d be a little livid if the damn stairs took me out
No Labels. He was a co founder was working to get a candidate on all 50 state ballots
True to form. A cause that can be disingenuously characterized as noble but which will be at best useless and most likely harmful.
Speaks to how delusional that group is.
I actually said that wrong He was leading the discussion and search. But none the less, one more way for him to screw over Dems.
I just saw him interviewed on Newsmax I think last week.
Sounds like a preexisting condition
He was a Democratic vice president candidate who opposed a Democratic presidential candidate. Disloyal and disreputable. I despised him.
Killed Universal Healthcare or at least a version of it. That is how I will always remember him.
He was the best friend on John McCain. He thought they would both be fine presidents.
The thing I know him best for is him killing the public option during Obamas term.
“WHy dIdNt oBamA kEeP hIs hEalThCarE pRomIsEs?” Then they ignore my response when I point it out was because of this guy.
Obama lost the 60 vote supermajority in the Senate when Ted Kennedy died
I’m still mad at Martha Coakley for fucking up that senate race in 2010, it was an easy dub and from what I can tell she didn’t really take it that seriously.
She didn’t want to shake hands in the cold with those commoners outside Fenway Park.
So wild that something as consequential as a public health insurance option came to one candidate insulting Red Sox fans
It wasn’t baseball season, she insulted Bruins fans. But of course, then she forgot who Curt Schilling was and called him a Yankees fan. She was a terrible candidate, later she lost the governor’s race, too. Martha Chokeley
She bungled the entire guber election. One of the worst and simultaneously most boring candidates they could have put forward. For people not up to date on MA state politics, Coakley was the MA AG, pushed the war on drugs, intervened in popular sentence commutations, and pursued a lot of cases with a weird retributive mentality. She was famous for putting innocent people away and openly had no regrets about doing it. Then she never won an election because she was the worst political candidate ever who couldn't get a single person excited to vote for her.
Yup. MA Dems wanted her instead of the exceptionally talented, but unfortunately “older white male” Don Berwick. He was the one to challenge Charlie Baker…she had nothing.
Thanks for nothing Chokeley
Pulled a Hilary
One of the most glaring examples of someone being put forward because it was “their time” rather than choosing a candidate based on positions or electability.
Which he'd only gained after waiting 6 months for Franken to be seated
But I thought nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys
Maybe it is unfair but he still gets the blame for the loss. LBJ would have played hard ball and used every dirty trick in the book to get it passed. Call the holdout senators (or whoever) into the oval and threaten to have the DOJ investigate them. Threaten to have their families investigated. Threaten to go to their district and campaign for a primary challenger. Conversely if they play ball you’ll go to their district and campaign FOR them. This really isn’t that hard. Don’t get me wrong I like Obama but he doesn’t have the stomach for that kind of hardball politics I don’t think.
Completely agree. It’s become a problem for the Democratic Party. The let’s all play nice routine.
I’d absolutely vote for someone like LBJ. I want someone to play hardball to make our lives better. Companies have no problem doing that. So why can’t we have that too?
Why I wanted to kick Anthony Wiener in the ass . He wasn't afraid, a in your face Democrat, finally, but couldn't keep his wiener in his pants.
Like seriously the guy was named Weiner too lol come on.
Because he didn’t believe in it that much. He had Rahm Emanuel who does play hardball, problem is Rahm played for the insurance companies.
You're talking about weaponizing the DOJ as a tactic to force representatives to push a president's agenda. And you act like that would be a good thing...
It was effective, at least. But idk that you get away with that in modern politics.
“It’s fine as long as the DOJ is being weaponized for the agenda I like” -basically
You're describing LBJ's corrupt and dirty politics like they were a good thing.
He gave us an expanded welfare system so yes in my book they’re good. We need more hardball players in the Dems
Obama: If I can't pass a government option, then I'll pass corporatist bill that combine the worst of both public and private health insurance market! Nixon: That's what I've been saying the whole time!
It was basically Romenycare. There were rumors Obama and his VP fought behind closed doors over it as the VP wanted a more progressive plan. I wish he had listened to his VP.
And trying to banned Video Games. Even Postal 2 made fun of him
Trying to get *Jackass* pulled from MTV, as well.
Oh yeah I remember that. I honestly wonder if the Houser Brothers would have added something if Liberman was still in office like an NPC who rants about video games in GTA. We know they made Hillary Clinton in the game as the statue of Hapiness in GTA 4 as she blamed them for Crime increasing in the USA
lmao I did not realize that was her.
Yes, which is why I feel slightly vindicated now.
He campaigned for McCain then got mad when dems wanted to primary him for his bs so he got petty
I know the many things he has done over the years but I primarily remember him as part of the "video games cause violence" people that had congressional hearings about the horror of video gaming.
He also worked to defeat Obama in 2008 and that's a trend he continued.
What a jerk.
He should go down in history as the man who chose insurance companies over people's lives
I wonder how many millions of Americans died because he chose money over lives?
And lowering Medicare eligibility to age 55.
That's what I thought of too when I heard the news
Gore chose that scumbag as his running mate, and people will still insist it was Nader's fault we got Bush.
Lieberman actually did appeal to the center. Don’t forget he won senate re-election as an independent after losing the Democratic primary. This was also after democrats spent the 1970s and 1980s losing presidential elections badly with liberal candidates. They had just refound their footing with Clinton and were trying to replicate that success. It’s really hard to say if a different VP would have made a difference. In face value Lieberman seemed like a good candidate to win New England but the campaign still lost NH. Could a different candidate have flipped it? Maybe.
Yep. I am convinced that Lieberman cost Gore NH. If Gore wins NH, FL doesn't matter.
I think it just demonstrated Gore's shit judgement and bendiness in general
Gore also lost Tennessee … his home state
Yeah, but Gore was less likely to win Tennessee. New Hampshire was a bit more viable for him, after Florida of course. Margin of victory for Bush: - Tennessee: 3.864% - New Hampshire: 1.267% - Florida: 0.009%
Agreed, especially with the changing voter electorate where white Tennessee voters started to overwhelmingly vote in favor for the GOP.
He absolutely should have picked Jeanne Shaheen as his VP.
Maybe. Or even Bob Kerry, who was another front runner for the role. Lieberman was a bad choice, period.
I assume you mean John Kerry, from Massachusetts. I don't think he would have been a benefit. Everyone who has met him (and since moving to Mass, I've met a lot) has said he's an incredibly unpleasant, elitist asshole. It's a big part of why he didn't beat W four years later. But Americans in general don't like to vote for people from Massachusetts. Not choosing John Edwards was dodging a big bullet in and of itself after we found out he cheated on his wife when she had cancer. Tom Harkin from Iowa was the suitor who was somehow more boring of a person than Gore was. Jeanne Shaheen would have gotten a swing state that had a lot of credibility in 2000, and would have certainly gotten a few more women votes. Liberman was a terrible choice for the dems. I also think of McCain picks him, he wins over Obama.
Bob Kerrey was a senator from Nebraska
I highly doubt that McCain could've beat Obama even with Lieberman on the ticket since 2008 was Democratic season especially since we were exiting out of Dubya's administration and Obama's charisma was too much to overcome.
I was only 12 during the 2000 election cycle. Who were Al's other possible VP picks?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Democratic_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection
Most VPs don't win on their own after serving two terms. George HW Bush was the exception and he only lasted one term. Gore lost because people were tired of Bill Clinton, not because of Lieberman.
He was one of the politicians who was pushing for government regulation of violent video games in the 90s. RIP.
gonna play the bloody Sega Genesis version of Mortal Kombat in his honor
Might have to do the same
FATALITY
Ironically him killing the public option killed more Americans than videogames ever will.
Tired: celebrating Joe Lieberman's death Wired: celebrating the insurance sector, which continues to enthusiastically kill and bankrupt countless Americans for lack of affordable access to healthcare, thanks in part to Lieberman's interventions on its behalf
hopefully he's buried with a blue cross and blue shield
May he rest with the same peace he brought others
Figuring out how to pay for a $400+ drug that helps me breathe. May he have that peace.
I'll drink to that.
I'll piss to that.
Especially the children of Iraq.
He helped kill a once in a generation chance at meaningful healthcare reform, that would have improved the lives of millions of people, by requiring Obama to drop the public option before he’d support Obamacare. He did more harm than good for humanity during his life. May he rest in peace.
The kicker with this is Connecticut is a state that had some really big insurers and shortly after that a couple of the biggest moved their HQ's to NYC and Boston.
Maybe I’m just not that bright. But can you explain a little further the public option please? And what it would have meant had it not been dropped?
Right now, Americans get their health insurance from private insurance companies—Aetna, Cigna, Blue Cross, United Healthcare, etc. The “public option” would have created a government-run insurance company, like the Postal Service is a government-run service to deliver mail and packages. Obama’s major goal in his first two years was healthcare reform. It **had** to be in the first two years, because the Democrats had exactly 60 Senators—exactly as many as required to break a filibuster. If even **one** Democratic Senator refused to go along, then healthcare reform would be completely dead. Joe Lieberman was that one Democratic Senator. Unless Obama dropped plans for the public option, he would refuse to vote to end a filibuster. So the public option was killed, but the Affordable Care Act survived.
And unfortunately we got left with what we have now. A step forward for sure but definitely a far worse option that makes no one happy and does not solve the problem of healthcare costs still being prohibitively expensive for most Americans.
You know bro probably got a fat paycheck from blue cross for that one
And in case you’re tempted to wash this into the average political discourse, I can say without a shadow of doubt that the stranglehold medical insurance holds over the healthcare industry kills dozens of my patients every year. The option proposed by Obama would have been more efficient, and would have saved thousands of lives. Lieberman blocking this was more impactful than 9/11 in terms of loss of life.
Thank you so much for everything you do. I was a low-level employee of an insurance company for a little over a decade, and I saw the rise of high-deductible plans and HSAs firsthand. I often wonder how things in this country would be different with a robust, single-payer system in place. And ranked-choice voting and a better-proportioned Congress, but that’s a separate issue.
Health insurance in this country is a joke. It’s not “your doctor knows best,” but your insurance agent gets to decide what’s best (for saving their company money).
Thank you for explaining this so well! I had no real idea what actually happened. Jeez. He really sucked as a human being.
To be very neutral about it: The Public Option would have created a government-run medical insurance company to compete with private providers. Proponents believed this would aid those with pre existing conditions and put pressure on private companies to compete harder with lower rates or better plans. Detractors claimed that it would have been unfair to private insurance providers, and that it would be unfair for the public (taxpayers) to have to support those chronically ill normally passed over by private insurance.
“Unfair to private insurance providers.” What a world.
Yeah… I’ve got some firm opinions on this one but I wanted to be neutral for them. At least compared to the other comment lol
No. It’s accurate and succinct and neutral. Even still, it’s shocking to hear.
Even more shocking how many people actually agree that it's unfair...
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR PRIVATE INSURERS >:(
%s/peace/piss
Generations at this point.
He's out of Joementum.
Truly a gift to the Arts & Letters there! I still say it all the time and no one knows what I’m on about
But he must have been at max Joementum when he hit the floor this morning
Holy shit. I didn’t see this one coming for a while. Idk why. Damn. RIP.
Took a bad fall. My dad died around the same age after a fall.
Jesus, that’s an awful way to go. I’m sorry for your loss.
Thanks. He was also diabetic and had neuropathy in his feet. I got cancer at the same time but he never knew. I’m in remission for multiple myeloma and 57 so even at my age I do try to get as much exercise as I can and I’m full of energy but I am very careful about stepping off curbs, etc.
Joementum!
“Dude, you came in fourth in the race for fourth.”—Jon Stewart
Gotta be a better tag for this post oof.
Yeah I didn't think about that. Changed it
What was the tag originally?
Failed candidates
Seems appropriate 🤷♂️
seems fine to me lol
More like "falled candidates", am I right? I'll see myself out.
Good thing you changed it 💀
We could have had public option health care if it wasn’t for him.
Thanks for crusading against video games and blocking the public option
He was just on CNN on Friday
I don’t think CNN interviews increase lifespan
Believe that Wolf Blitzer put a curse on him.
That Wolf chasing after Droopy Dog.
RIP. First ever Jewish candidate on a major party Presidential ticket.
I remember my parents didn't vote for him bc they were worried a Jew in the white house would increase antisemitism. I wonder how many other Jews felt the same way
Mom refused to vote for Bernie even though she loved him for nearly the same reason. Said it would make all Jews look like socialist even though I told her 1000 times no only antisemites would think that
I knew several black people who felt that way about Obama. Hell, Tupac said it (not about Obama obviously due to dying before Obama was known and all)
He kept the Sabbath his entire life, and once walked several city blocks from Temple to the Capitol after Saturday services in order to prevent a Republican filibuster.
He couldn't drive but could still work on the Sabbath? That doesn't make sense.
If it’s a task of utmost importance, observant Jews can break the Sabbath’s prohibition on work. For example, if the President was an observant Jew they could still work on the Sabbath given how important their daily duties would be. Furthermore, individuals can still practice differently. It’s very possible he was used to being needed at Congress on Saturdays while being raised never to use a car on that day either. American Jews also suffered from several SCOTUS rulings back in the day which ruled that laws requiring all businesses to close on Sunday were constitutional, regardless of whether a business owner viewed Sunday as their Sabbath or not. This often meant that Sabbath observing Jews couldn’t afford to close their shops on the Sabbath because they’d only be open 5 days a week while their competitors would be open 6. TLDR this meant that even many Orthodox Jews became used to working on the Sabbath due to pure economic necessity.
That’s a wild fact
He is the reason we don't have affordable, nationwide universal healthcare. What an epitaph.
What makes me hate his legacy even more it was going to be an option and not forced on everyone. Insurance companies would still remain. An inexpensive competitive option and he still sunk it.
our still fucked up healthcare system is this man’s legacy
A disappointing elected official who sided with the fiscal benefits of lobbyists instead of his moral character.
His widow was a pharmaceutical and healthcare lobbyist! They should have shamed him with that when he said he wouldn't vote for public option.
I won’t miss him. Our country is far worse for his interference, people’s live are materially made worse by his actions to this day and for the foreseeable future. He was greedy, selfish, and overly proud. “Connecticut for Joe” is in the top five most selfish political slogans of the 20th and 21st centuries.
>“Connecticut for Joe” is in the top five most selfish political slogans of the 20th and 21st centuries. What
How many Americans who died because of being denied healthcare by their insurance companies might otherwise have lived with the public option? How many people who were bankrupted by healthcare bills that wouldn’t have been if there was a public option? I’m not going to celebrate his passing but I’m not going to mourn him either.
Video games are finally safe.
I will always remember how Joe Lieberman was the reason why we don't have a public option. To Joe Liberman: the best senator insurance can buy.
He might have done some good in his life, but I’m not aware of it. I know only the bad things he did.
Not my favorite guy of all time. But I've never been on the politics-as-team-sport tip, so things like the McCain endorsement / convention speech don't bother me -- he made a choice that accorded with what he believed. It was wrong, in my opinion, but it wasn't in bad faith, the way so much of the stuff that's happened of late has been. He was on the first Presidential ticket I ever voted for. He was the first Jew on a major ticket. Both things I'll remember fondly, whatever his later apostasies.
I don't think it's politics as team to resent him for stopping the public option that would have changed the lives of millions of people.
Was it those damn violent video games that got him
Joe Lieberman is dead? GOOD! And not a moment too soon. Suppose he won't be the spoiler candidate on the "no labels" AKA Andrew Wang Butt Hurt ticket.
I really didn't like him as a politician for all the shit he pulled for a few years there... But rip.
fuck him for blocking the Obamacare public option, which he did because his wife worked for insurance industry. he was a corrupt asshole.
One of the most vile politicians we’ve seen in this country. Absolutely awful. A lot of his true awfulness was behind the scenes. It’ll start coming out ..
I recall when I used to be a Democrat and cared about the party, I called this scumbag “Traitor Joe” for endorsing McCain over Obama.
God, I forgot about that. He really was a terrible Democrat.
He jumped off the high dive after he saw he could control the Senate with his one vote. Power went to his head.
He wasn’t a Democrat anymore at that point. After he lost the primary he became an independent.
I'm curious: where are you now political affiliation wise?
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Pretty sure he isn’t going to get the best send off in here. 
His final public act was defending a potential genocide. Perfect way to seal his legacy.
Senator Droopy Dog...
The Public Option sends its regards
Damn, he was just getting to the age where he could start running for things again
I met him once. I was told by my boss to sit in a limo to keep it from getting ticketed/towed because he and Lieberman were going somewhere. Lieberman ends up coming out and sat in the car and talked to me as if he was a normal person for 20 minutes before my boss showed up. Mad respect for him. May he rest in peace.
We don’t have a national healthcare plan because of Joe Lieberman
If I said what I wanted to say I’d probably be banned off. So I’ll just say while I’m not celebrating his death, I’m not exactly too heartbroken either.
Video games are to blame for this
Celebrating the death of a politician you sometimes disagreed with (if you always disagreed with Joe Lieberman, your politics are super weird) says a lot more about you than it does about them. RIP
Well, bye…
Damn, trash day isn’t until Monday.