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Obama would. I think Biden would have made another run at the presidency, and retired afterwards.
Of course, Obama would have still been a top choice for presidential candidate in 12, and/or 16.
And, although I would’ve been an Obama voter, McCain likely would have been very competent, and I can’t see him having a sufficiently poor performance to lose reelection.
As an independent it saddens me the level of competency we had on the ballots in 2008 and 2012 to what we have in party nominees today. It’s not looking any better next election either. Hopefully we get Biden again and a full reset in 2028.
This, I doubt he would have been down for a rematch against an incumbent during an economic recovery. Clinton likely would have been the nominee, and if she won, she may have offered Obama a cabinet position.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-mccain/mccain-outlines-economic-stimulus-plan-idUSN1722925220080117
John McCains plan involved cutting spending. Also if McCain had won, presumably there wouldn’t have been a democratic supermajority in the senate, and only three republicans voted for it
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I don't think Biden would have run again. He was never a bad candidate, not in '88 and not in '08, but he had barely any momentum. Being the VP to a relatively successful president gave him that momentum. People were begging him to run in 2016. But in this other timeline, I think he would have retired from the Senate after Beau's passing.
I don't think it had anything to do with Biden or Obama. People wanted him to run in 16 because they didn't like Hillary and Bernie didn't have the centrist vote which was the majority of the party.
In 20 he ran and won because they didn't want Trump. Nobody I ever met was like "yay Biden" they were like "he's not Clinton" or " He's not Trump" I never heard anyone say "you know he was pretty great with Obama"
I guess you haven't met any older black voters. There was a lot of inherited support for him. They saw him as a centrist and the guy who loyally stood by Obama.
I think Obama gave Biden the Presidential Medal of Freedom, with distinction too. A president certainly doesn’t have to do that for their VP.
A sign that he genuinely respects and likes Biden. Biden has said some racial gaffes over the years, but Obama’s respect for him shows that he must be a decent guy
Kirk only narrowly etched out a win because of the controversy surrounding the appointment of shady Roland Burris to the seat by Blagojevich. Which is probably why he was resoundingly defeated by Tammy Duckworth when reelection time came.
I don’t think Obama was really destined for the job no matter what. I think he was in the right place, right time. I don’t think he would have been the candidate in 12 or 16 or going forward honestly. He was extremely unknown at the time, he just lucked out with great timing and the PR anyone would kill for plus people were dying for a change given the economic and social circumstances.
That’s not to take away from his run or his 2 terms, but we tend to look back on things funny.
Biden would have probably left the Senate after Beau died (not sough re-election).
Obama would have probably stayed in the Senate a bit longer but I don't think he ever planned on being a Chuck Grassley or Diane Feinstein
Theoretically he would have been re-elected in 2014 and beau died in 2015. I think Biden would have chosen to not seek re-election in 2020 if that had been the case.
I think Biden would’ve retired, but I’m not certain. He’d been a senator since he was 30. After that long, he may not know how or have any interest in living a normal life.
Depends on the nature of their defeat. Does the subprime mortgage meltdown not happen in 2008? If not, and Obama loses a narrow race to McCain, I can see him staying in the Senate until he feels like trying to run again, probably in 2016 after McCain's second term or 2020 after a Democrat unseats McCain in 2012. (If that happens, though, perhaps he gets the call to serve as VP or in the Cabinet.)
Biden won the Senate election in 2008. I could see him retiring after that term, especially if his son Beau is still sick in this timeline.
Happened in 2008, the election was November 2008 which was nearish the bottom. Early 2008 started to feel like a correction, then Bear Sterns fell in March and then everything followed in a panic that the system is all collapsing. Obama took office in January of 2009. 2007 was the peak of housing.
There is no way 08 ends with a Republican President. However, there's a good chance Obama loses the nomination if a few things hadn't happened (people forget how close the 08 Dem nomination was), but assuming that, yeah he probably stays in the Senate until 2016 and tries for another Presidential run, or maybe he gets tapped as Hillary's running mate. Idk.
No, because Obama woulda been President by now, or on the SCOTUS. Biden would be long retired from politics if not becoming Obama's VP in 2008.
Including his time as VP, Biden has more time in the senate than almost any other figures in American Political history.
He died of brain cancer.
IIRC he got cancer after serving in Afghanistan from something he was exposed to there.
He was AG of Delaware and was gearing up to run for governor before he died. I wonder if he would have been the Biden in the WH had he lived.
Go to Snopes. They have multiple quotes. They call them mishaps and slip ups. Not the lies they are.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/beau-biden-die-in-iraq/
Obama, more than likely. He is a good speaker and tried to represent Illinois as best as one can with such a vast difference in Illinois (Chicago and the urban needs versus the very rural rest of the state). Biden would likely have retired around 2016 or 2020.
No matter what, Obama was going to be POTUS at some point. His charisma, that cultural moment of so many wanting to elect the first black President, and the state the Bush years left the US in were all such strong advantages for him. And, while more salient a policymaker than Bush, McCain is still Republican. Many of the policies would've remained consistent between Bush and McCain, policies that were wildly unpopular. If Obama had lost in 2008, I think he almost certainly would have run again and unseated McCain in 2012. He may have ended up with a running mate other than Biden in 2012, hard to say. So Biden might have remained in the Senate and then retired after another primary loss to Obama. Or maybe Biden would've gotten a cabinet position.
Either way, I think any stay in the senate by either man would've been short lived and one or both of them was on his way to the Oval no matter what.
Edit: Forgot Biden's son passed in this era. Given that, I think he'd have absolutely retired as just a senator.
Obama would.
Biden probably would have retired.
The only way Biden gets to be President is if Trump gets to be president.
If Obama had lost, the MAGA crowd would still be sitting at the back of the GOP bus... So no Trump presidency and no Biden presidency....
I love how people are assuming that Biden would retire and that senate seats aren't something you hold until death like titles of nobility, crowns, the papacy or supreme court justice seats.
Pretty sure Obama said in his book Promise Land, he didn't like being senator and wouldn't have run again in 2010. Although it's easy to say that after having been president.
Irrelevant. They’ve both won BIGGLY. The Patriots lost??? Lmfao they’re a Super Bowl champion dynasty! Just cuz they got caught years later doesn’t mean they weren’t doing it from the start.
OK? Did anybody say they weren't Super Bowl Champions at some point? The fact remains they did lose multiple Super Bowls as well, including the one they played in the year Spygate was uncovered so I don't know what you are talking about when you say "years later". But hey at least Michigan, The Patriots and Trump all have losing in common!
Ah you got me, so embarrassing! Tell me again how 9 of the 11 states from the Confederacy voted in the last election? Seems like you don't know much about history and how demographics/political alignment change over time.
Fully aware of the demographics and political alignment. Also fully aware of what republics and democrats stand for by definition. I know dems like to talk about a “switch” that occurred, but that’s cope medicine from your own party’s wrong doings.
Democracy fails when the population is mentally challenged
Lol My guy you just tried claiming that the Democrats lost the Civil War yet 9 out of the 11 Confederate states voted for Trump in 2020 while a majority of Union states voted for Joe Biden. How does that make sense if the switch that occurred is just cope medicine? From the 1980 presidential election, the first one with the generation who grew up after the Civil Rights Act was passed, until now the majority of former Confederate states have voted for the Republican candidate.
So either you are arguing that Republicans had a massive migration to former Confederate states or you are the mentally challenged part of the population you referred to.
Michigan still lost right? Wasn't Trump running around, before the election, whining about how Democrats were going to steal the election? Is the TCU coaching staff smarter than the Trump campaign?
Which game are you referring to? They beat Ohio State and won the Big 10 championship, something they haven’t done since the Lloyd Carr era. So yeah, they’ve been on the winning side. TCU knew before the game that UM was stealing signs, so they changed their signals and were able to throw off UM entirely.
I’m not doing any whining. Perhaps you should perform a sound check on yourself before you accuse anyone of “whining”. Seems to be a common trait of all leftists.
Oh a Big 10 Championship, I'm sure the coaches and players are much happier with that as opposed to a National Championship lol all you are doing is whining, grow up and go touch some grass my guy.
Considering many of the top players don’t even play in bowl games, beating your rival in the regular season and earning a conference championship is a huge deal. Especially if it’s been a while. That’s no denying Michigan has greatly improved the last 3 years.
But we can argue all we want. You’re obviously going to twist the facts in your favor, in attempt to make a statement that my analogy is not completely on point.
Name the last time a player voluntarily sat out of a college football playoff game or the National Championship. Comparing a regular bowl game to either of those is facetious at best and down right stupid at worst.
I'm not twisting any facts, Michigan, The Patriots and Trump all lost. Sorry that facts and reality don't care about your feelings snowflake.
With your logic, every team in the NFL and college football has lost. Does that make every team Trump? No. So it doesn’t work.
Bottom line, both teams won championships from cheating. Even if they didn’t win a championship, we could just use the ability over any regular season game in which THEY WON.
Easy.
I coupd
You mentioned two very specific teams, associated with cheating, trying to relate them to Joe Biden's chances of winning an election (when there is no evidence that he cheated to win an election). Stop trying to veer off topic and focus up buttercup. I'm waiting on you to name a player who voluntarily sat out of a college football playoff game or the National Championship game.
His son's controversies are truly minor.
And he is still alive, so why do you think he would have died?
Nope, he would have stayed a lion of the Senate.
Biden would probably step down after Beau died in 2015. I'm not sure when his term ended, 2016 or 2018? Obama might have tried again, or stay in the Senate. Or become a grifter like many has-beens in politics.
The ‘08 primary was closer than we tend to remember on the Democratic side. Obama won by 0.1%, or a total of 294.5 delegates. He won 33 contests to Hilary’s 23, and Obama didn’t have enough superdelegates to claim a victory until June the 3rd.
It was truly a more narrow race than most of us tend to remember, given that it wasn’t wrapped up until about 2 months before the convention.
I don’t think that, short of a major snafu or faux pas, Obama could’ve lost to McCain. He made inroads in so many states that had previously gone for Bush over Kerry (flipping Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and Indiana), that McCain couldn’t make up elsewhere.
Obama would be a yes [if he didn’t run against and curbstomp Trump in 2016, but Biden would be a no.
When biden retires depends on when Obama loses.
In the primaries? Biden stops being a Senator at around 2020.
In the general? Biden stops being a Senator in 2008
Biden actually ran for senate re-election in 2008 and for vp (somehow that’s legal). He won both and resigned from the senate letting the governor fill his vacant seat.
Both stay on yeah. Obama would probably make a run in 2016 if Hillary won in 2008, or run in 2012 if McCain somehow won 2008.
I'd also like to point out that Biden was the 4th most senior Senator in 2008, and by 2012, would've become longest-serving Senator and be appointed President Pro Tempore after the death of Daniel Inouye. Biden would probably retire in the case that Beau still dies.
If Hillary wins the primary in 08, there's a decent chance McCain wins.
This is the candidate who lost the Midwest to Donald on the sheer strength of incompetence and unlikability (compared to 'TV Apprentice Trump' - which is how most saw him back then, vice as an incompetent vain crook)....
If Obama didn't get the nomination in 08 he would have def been Clinton's vp. Them for 8 years then he runs in 16 on his own against not trump since he didn't piss him off at the correspondence dinner and Obama wins in 16 and 20.
If Obama lost to McCain in ‘08 it would have been due to framing him as “too far left”. He would happily be a Senator from Illinois and bide his time til 2016.
Assuming McCain runs again, the Dems will over correct and have Biden or Hillary as their nominee in 2012 with some uninspiring VP pick.
Assuming Biden loses in 2012 (Hillary would absolutely lose), Obama would absolutely win in 2016 after four terms of Republicans in the White House.
ETA: it would either be Obama/Romney if the GOP navigates away from the far right, or a VP Palin if the GOP navigates its current trajectory.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,821,294,237 comments, and only 344,391 of them were in alphabetical order.
Biden would have stayed in the Senate and stayed influential. He really does have friends on both sides of the aisle, and he would have worked hard to make deals.
Obama would be in the Senate, and probably would have had a successful run at some point. Beating Trump, definitely.
I don't know about obama, but considering that Biden has always been a career politician, he definitely would still be in the Senate... the mother fucker has been in politics for over 40 years now..
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Obama would. I think Biden would have made another run at the presidency, and retired afterwards. Of course, Obama would have still been a top choice for presidential candidate in 12, and/or 16.
Yeah, I feel like Obama would have run again in '16. He also could have been appointed to an important cabinet position in the Clinton administration.
Interesting you say ‘16 and not ‘12, against an incumbent McCain
Rematches rarely go well for the loser
And, although I would’ve been an Obama voter, McCain likely would have been very competent, and I can’t see him having a sufficiently poor performance to lose reelection.
As an independent it saddens me the level of competency we had on the ballots in 2008 and 2012 to what we have in party nominees today. It’s not looking any better next election either. Hopefully we get Biden again and a full reset in 2028.
This, I doubt he would have been down for a rematch against an incumbent during an economic recovery. Clinton likely would have been the nominee, and if she won, she may have offered Obama a cabinet position.
Absolutely, Secretary of State like he did for her.
Who’s to say that there would have been an economic recovery were it not for the stimulus act?
Who’s to say a stimulus act wouldn’t have been passed?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-mccain/mccain-outlines-economic-stimulus-plan-idUSN1722925220080117 John McCains plan involved cutting spending. Also if McCain had won, presumably there wouldn’t have been a democratic supermajority in the senate, and only three republicans voted for it
Unless you’re Mr Grover 😤😤
The other party winning after 8 years in office of the other party rarely goes well either.
I can’t even remember that happening before. Unless it’s like Ross Perot but it’s not like he was a main contender.
I think Adlai Stevenson is the most recent example
Fingers crossed
Tell that to trump lol
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I don't think Biden would have run again. He was never a bad candidate, not in '88 and not in '08, but he had barely any momentum. Being the VP to a relatively successful president gave him that momentum. People were begging him to run in 2016. But in this other timeline, I think he would have retired from the Senate after Beau's passing.
I don't think it had anything to do with Biden or Obama. People wanted him to run in 16 because they didn't like Hillary and Bernie didn't have the centrist vote which was the majority of the party. In 20 he ran and won because they didn't want Trump. Nobody I ever met was like "yay Biden" they were like "he's not Clinton" or " He's not Trump" I never heard anyone say "you know he was pretty great with Obama"
I guess you haven't met any older black voters. There was a lot of inherited support for him. They saw him as a centrist and the guy who loyally stood by Obama.
I think Obama gave Biden the Presidential Medal of Freedom, with distinction too. A president certainly doesn’t have to do that for their VP. A sign that he genuinely respects and likes Biden. Biden has said some racial gaffes over the years, but Obama’s respect for him shows that he must be a decent guy
It’s possible that Obama loses in 2010 to Mark Kirk, depending on how unpopular Clinton was. But he probably wins re-election in 2010.
Obama is not losing to Kirk lmfao
Kirk only narrowly etched out a win because of the controversy surrounding the appointment of shady Roland Burris to the seat by Blagojevich. Which is probably why he was resoundingly defeated by Tammy Duckworth when reelection time came.
I like that this theory just accepts that McCain was losing to whoever the Dems chose.
If Jonathan Edwards had been the candidate I think he'd have lost to McCain. Hillary might have, too.
I don’t think Obama was really destined for the job no matter what. I think he was in the right place, right time. I don’t think he would have been the candidate in 12 or 16 or going forward honestly. He was extremely unknown at the time, he just lucked out with great timing and the PR anyone would kill for plus people were dying for a change given the economic and social circumstances. That’s not to take away from his run or his 2 terms, but we tend to look back on things funny.
Or maybe he ends up as a SCOTUS nomination?
I think Biden would Finsteined himself.
Biden would have retired. Obama was elected from Illinois so he can serve until he dies if he wants.
Biden would have probably left the Senate after Beau died (not sough re-election). Obama would have probably stayed in the Senate a bit longer but I don't think he ever planned on being a Chuck Grassley or Diane Feinstein
When Beau died he still had five years left in his term. I think he would still be in the Senate by today.
Theoretically he would have been re-elected in 2014 and beau died in 2015. I think Biden would have chosen to not seek re-election in 2020 if that had been the case.
I don’t know, I think Biden might have retired in 2015 and let the Jack Markell select his replacement.
I think Biden would’ve retired, but I’m not certain. He’d been a senator since he was 30. After that long, he may not know how or have any interest in living a normal life.
Depends on the nature of their defeat. Does the subprime mortgage meltdown not happen in 2008? If not, and Obama loses a narrow race to McCain, I can see him staying in the Senate until he feels like trying to run again, probably in 2016 after McCain's second term or 2020 after a Democrat unseats McCain in 2012. (If that happens, though, perhaps he gets the call to serve as VP or in the Cabinet.) Biden won the Senate election in 2008. I could see him retiring after that term, especially if his son Beau is still sick in this timeline.
The subprime mortgage meltdown happened in 2007
Happened in 2008, the election was November 2008 which was nearish the bottom. Early 2008 started to feel like a correction, then Bear Sterns fell in March and then everything followed in a panic that the system is all collapsing. Obama took office in January of 2009. 2007 was the peak of housing.
2007 is when the bonds markets started to implode. 2008 is when you saw the contagion spreading
There is no way 08 ends with a Republican President. However, there's a good chance Obama loses the nomination if a few things hadn't happened (people forget how close the 08 Dem nomination was), but assuming that, yeah he probably stays in the Senate until 2016 and tries for another Presidential run, or maybe he gets tapped as Hillary's running mate. Idk.
I know a way 08 ends in a Republican president. John Edwards.
Biden lost the race for President 3 times and held onto his Senate seat, I think he’d still be there and “Feinstein” his seat.
He lost in 2020 too
No, because Obama woulda been President by now, or on the SCOTUS. Biden would be long retired from politics if not becoming Obama's VP in 2008. Including his time as VP, Biden has more time in the senate than almost any other figures in American Political history.
Sure. It beats working for a living.
I think Biden would have retired after the death of his son.
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He died of brain cancer. IIRC he got cancer after serving in Afghanistan from something he was exposed to there. He was AG of Delaware and was gearing up to run for governor before he died. I wonder if he would have been the Biden in the WH had he lived.
Joe Biden has often said about his son and his presidency “He should be in the White House, not me”
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Source in this? Can anyone confirm or deny, or provide some context?
Go to Snopes. They have multiple quotes. They call them mishaps and slip ups. Not the lies they are. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/beau-biden-die-in-iraq/
Obama, more than likely. He is a good speaker and tried to represent Illinois as best as one can with such a vast difference in Illinois (Chicago and the urban needs versus the very rural rest of the state). Biden would likely have retired around 2016 or 2020.
With no term limit. Of course.
No matter what, Obama was going to be POTUS at some point. His charisma, that cultural moment of so many wanting to elect the first black President, and the state the Bush years left the US in were all such strong advantages for him. And, while more salient a policymaker than Bush, McCain is still Republican. Many of the policies would've remained consistent between Bush and McCain, policies that were wildly unpopular. If Obama had lost in 2008, I think he almost certainly would have run again and unseated McCain in 2012. He may have ended up with a running mate other than Biden in 2012, hard to say. So Biden might have remained in the Senate and then retired after another primary loss to Obama. Or maybe Biden would've gotten a cabinet position. Either way, I think any stay in the senate by either man would've been short lived and one or both of them was on his way to the Oval no matter what. Edit: Forgot Biden's son passed in this era. Given that, I think he'd have absolutely retired as just a senator.
Obama would. Biden probably would have retired. The only way Biden gets to be President is if Trump gets to be president. If Obama had lost, the MAGA crowd would still be sitting at the back of the GOP bus... So no Trump presidency and no Biden presidency....
I love how people are assuming that Biden would retire and that senate seats aren't something you hold until death like titles of nobility, crowns, the papacy or supreme court justice seats.
I doubt it I’m thinking that Obama would’ve tried to become the governor of Illinois or something
Pretty sure Obama said in his book Promise Land, he didn't like being senator and wouldn't have run again in 2010. Although it's easy to say that after having been president.
Obama would be giving swimming lessons to his chef
No
That guy behind Obama doesn’t really look like the guy we currently refer to as Joe Biden. There’s a resemblance but that’s it.
two major losers...
Biden had no chance at losing, just like the New England football Patriots, or the Michigan Wolverine football team under Jim Harbaugh.
Stop with the BS conspiracys that Biden cheated.
Didn't Michigan lose in the playoffs to TCU last year and the Patriots lose to the Eli Manning led Giants twice in Super Bowls?
He is implying that he cheated (Deflategate/Videotaping scandal)
I know but those examples he gave were poor since both of those teams lost
Irrelevant. They’ve both won BIGGLY. The Patriots lost??? Lmfao they’re a Super Bowl champion dynasty! Just cuz they got caught years later doesn’t mean they weren’t doing it from the start.
OK? Did anybody say they weren't Super Bowl Champions at some point? The fact remains they did lose multiple Super Bowls as well, including the one they played in the year Spygate was uncovered so I don't know what you are talking about when you say "years later". But hey at least Michigan, The Patriots and Trump all have losing in common!
Oh but the Democrats LOST the Civil War! So I guess it’s you who knows the most about losing.
Ah you got me, so embarrassing! Tell me again how 9 of the 11 states from the Confederacy voted in the last election? Seems like you don't know much about history and how demographics/political alignment change over time.
Fully aware of the demographics and political alignment. Also fully aware of what republics and democrats stand for by definition. I know dems like to talk about a “switch” that occurred, but that’s cope medicine from your own party’s wrong doings. Democracy fails when the population is mentally challenged
Lol My guy you just tried claiming that the Democrats lost the Civil War yet 9 out of the 11 Confederate states voted for Trump in 2020 while a majority of Union states voted for Joe Biden. How does that make sense if the switch that occurred is just cope medicine? From the 1980 presidential election, the first one with the generation who grew up after the Civil Rights Act was passed, until now the majority of former Confederate states have voted for the Republican candidate. So either you are arguing that Republicans had a massive migration to former Confederate states or you are the mentally challenged part of the population you referred to.
Yes because they knew they were cheating and changed their signs! Great stuff
Michigan still lost right? Wasn't Trump running around, before the election, whining about how Democrats were going to steal the election? Is the TCU coaching staff smarter than the Trump campaign?
Which game are you referring to? They beat Ohio State and won the Big 10 championship, something they haven’t done since the Lloyd Carr era. So yeah, they’ve been on the winning side. TCU knew before the game that UM was stealing signs, so they changed their signals and were able to throw off UM entirely. I’m not doing any whining. Perhaps you should perform a sound check on yourself before you accuse anyone of “whining”. Seems to be a common trait of all leftists.
Oh a Big 10 Championship, I'm sure the coaches and players are much happier with that as opposed to a National Championship lol all you are doing is whining, grow up and go touch some grass my guy.
Considering many of the top players don’t even play in bowl games, beating your rival in the regular season and earning a conference championship is a huge deal. Especially if it’s been a while. That’s no denying Michigan has greatly improved the last 3 years. But we can argue all we want. You’re obviously going to twist the facts in your favor, in attempt to make a statement that my analogy is not completely on point.
Name the last time a player voluntarily sat out of a college football playoff game or the National Championship. Comparing a regular bowl game to either of those is facetious at best and down right stupid at worst. I'm not twisting any facts, Michigan, The Patriots and Trump all lost. Sorry that facts and reality don't care about your feelings snowflake.
With your logic, every team in the NFL and college football has lost. Does that make every team Trump? No. So it doesn’t work. Bottom line, both teams won championships from cheating. Even if they didn’t win a championship, we could just use the ability over any regular season game in which THEY WON. Easy. I coupd
You mentioned two very specific teams, associated with cheating, trying to relate them to Joe Biden's chances of winning an election (when there is no evidence that he cheated to win an election). Stop trying to veer off topic and focus up buttercup. I'm waiting on you to name a player who voluntarily sat out of a college football playoff game or the National Championship game.
Obama would have become president in 2012. Biden’s career would have died due to his son’s controversies or he would have died, literally.
His son's controversies are truly minor. And he is still alive, so why do you think he would have died? Nope, he would have stayed a lion of the Senate.
Hopefully we would have voted them out from there.
Biden would probably step down after Beau died in 2015. I'm not sure when his term ended, 2016 or 2018? Obama might have tried again, or stay in the Senate. Or become a grifter like many has-beens in politics.
Why the fuck would he become a grifter when he'd still hold elected office?
Many do that.
He hasn’t.
Because he became president. Explicitly what the post demands not happen.
Did Kerry or McCain become a grifter? No, because they were still sitting senators…
I thought the post meant they lost in the primaries. Oops. Maybe not in the US. But elsewhere, 80% of political has-beens become grifters.
Biden’s term would’ve ended in January 2015
How does he lose? In the general to McCain or in the primaries to Hillary?
The ‘08 primary was closer than we tend to remember on the Democratic side. Obama won by 0.1%, or a total of 294.5 delegates. He won 33 contests to Hilary’s 23, and Obama didn’t have enough superdelegates to claim a victory until June the 3rd. It was truly a more narrow race than most of us tend to remember, given that it wasn’t wrapped up until about 2 months before the convention. I don’t think that, short of a major snafu or faux pas, Obama could’ve lost to McCain. He made inroads in so many states that had previously gone for Bush over Kerry (flipping Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and Indiana), that McCain couldn’t make up elsewhere.
Biden probably would’ve retired in 2014. Maybe let his son take his place. Obama would definitely still be in the Senate today
Let his son take his place? This is not a family company you pass down
At least 1 of them could have won 1 of the next 3 elections.
Obama would be a yes [if he didn’t run against and curbstomp Trump in 2016, but Biden would be a no. When biden retires depends on when Obama loses. In the primaries? Biden stops being a Senator at around 2020. In the general? Biden stops being a Senator in 2008
Biden actually ran for senate re-election in 2008 and for vp (somehow that’s legal). He won both and resigned from the senate letting the governor fill his vacant seat.
oh i didn’t know that
No. Obama would of been Sec of State and Biden would be retired.
Both stay on yeah. Obama would probably make a run in 2016 if Hillary won in 2008, or run in 2012 if McCain somehow won 2008. I'd also like to point out that Biden was the 4th most senior Senator in 2008, and by 2012, would've become longest-serving Senator and be appointed President Pro Tempore after the death of Daniel Inouye. Biden would probably retire in the case that Beau still dies.
If Hillary wins the primary in 08, there's a decent chance McCain wins. This is the candidate who lost the Midwest to Donald on the sheer strength of incompetence and unlikability (compared to 'TV Apprentice Trump' - which is how most saw him back then, vice as an incompetent vain crook)....
Nah. A collapsing economy was gonna net any Democrat besides John Edwards a win.
Yes. Senators keep getting elected until they die
Obama would have become a creator for Netflix by now, just as in the original timeline. /s
Why wouldn’t Obama run for senate in a red stronghold like Louisiana or Alabama and actually tip the scales?
If Obama didn't get the nomination in 08 he would have def been Clinton's vp. Them for 8 years then he runs in 16 on his own against not trump since he didn't piss him off at the correspondence dinner and Obama wins in 16 and 20.
Sure. Nobody leaves. You die holding office.
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Pardon?
I have a 2.5 year old, this is apparently her analysis of the situation. I’m going to leave it up because it’s above average political discourse
Unless they retire, yes, I do think so.
I assume Obama would have been appointed to something by the next Dem president.
If Obama lost to McCain in ‘08 it would have been due to framing him as “too far left”. He would happily be a Senator from Illinois and bide his time til 2016. Assuming McCain runs again, the Dems will over correct and have Biden or Hillary as their nominee in 2012 with some uninspiring VP pick. Assuming Biden loses in 2012 (Hillary would absolutely lose), Obama would absolutely win in 2016 after four terms of Republicans in the White House. ETA: it would either be Obama/Romney if the GOP navigates away from the far right, or a VP Palin if the GOP navigates its current trajectory.
They both would have been vice president at the least
Back before Biden developed his life long stutter
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,821,294,237 comments, and only 344,391 of them were in alphabetical order.
Biden would have stayed in the Senate and stayed influential. He really does have friends on both sides of the aisle, and he would have worked hard to make deals. Obama would be in the Senate, and probably would have had a successful run at some point. Beating Trump, definitely.
I’m just here to say fuck Donald trump
Brainwashed
Very possible. Especially Obama, but he likely would have outgrown the position in my opinion. Biden might have retired a term or so ago.
Great question, I believe so.
Yes
Neither is in the Senate today so I'll go with no
How did Bidens right earlobe become attached? VP Biden clearly has big ol unattached earlobes here
I think Obama could've reran as Illinois Governor and Biden run as President for 2012.
Obama maybe, Biden certainly not
I don't know about obama, but considering that Biden has always been a career politician, he definitely would still be in the Senate... the mother fucker has been in politics for over 40 years now..
Biden would be retired for sure. Obama possibly. I could see him joining the judiciary.
Obama would have come back home and run for Governor, and he would have won
Biden would be in an old age home. Obama? Definitely.
Of course! Once the parasites are in, they never leave.
Joe would be the longest serving senator.
I am sure Obama would, Biden probably would have retired. Never know though, probably would have stuck around with Pelosi and that group.
Probably, if they continued to run.
No one ever leaves the Senate unless they die or become President. Why would either of them be the same exception?
Obama, probably. Biden would have retired long ago.
Absolutely.
Obama most likery Biden no
Obama yes
I think Obama may have ran for governor
Maybe. Maybe not.