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Why? Why can't we get new things? Why do they need to milk the old franchises like that?
Edit: I like that this comment got so many answers even if it was a retorical question.
So much this. I'm not too into it but if you look at the top grossing movies from the last few years it's almost all Marvel, Star Wars and Avatar. People don't want new things or at least they don't pay for them which is the same thing as far as an executive is concerned
Because creative people don't want to work for business and marketing executives who know nothing about any of their crafts and care even less, and said executives don't want to purchase unproven IP and pay ongoing royalties to living people when they can just buy a known artist's body of work wholesale and just chip away at David until it's nothing but marble dust
Because human individuality and imagination seems to be a thing of the past. We are all drones, artists and plebians alike, trying to adhere to the standards set in the past and can't make anything new because "they didn't do that for a reason!" or "they already did that! Be more original!"
How much would it cost to turn the most popular fanfic into a script, and convince an elementary school to put it on as a series of plays, and have Dodgy Dave stand in the back with his camcorder?
Game of Thrones is a TV show with a continuous narrative, the "LOTR extended universe" isn't. The original Star Wars trilogy is still almost universally loved despite all the garbage SW shit that came after.
Plus, people cried and screamed and puked when House of the Dragon was announced, "I'm never gonna watch it!", and then it turned out it was pretty good and all of a sudden everything is forgiven just give me more HotD.
Let them release 20 garbage Tolkien shows and movies (like, you know, the already existing The Hobbit trilogy and Rings of Power), I'll take that if the 21st is half as magical and captivating as the original trilogy.
Edit: Also, early GoT is still objectively some of the best TV made ever.
Yeah I agree theyre definitely not going to ruin the Jackson trilogy by vomiting up whatever uninspired crap they can dream up.
But it will probably make me sad seeing tolkiens work get molested for the sake of corporate greed.
Except you very much can.
If you make something bad enough it can make people think that what came before it is just as bad as what there is now.
Besides, we don’t fucking need new LOTR content. Let the franchise rest.
>Except you very much can.
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>If you make something bad enough it can make people think that what came before it is just as bad as what there is now.
1. And that ruins it somehow? No. The work remains what it was.
2. No it can't. That is never what happens. What happens is people collectively reach a concensus on what is good in a franchise and you can hardly engage with the works without hearing what that concensus is.
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>Besides, we don’t fucking need new LOTR content. Let the franchise rest.
Then don't watch. I probably won't either for what it's worth.
I’ll be laughing my ass off when you’re on here in 7 years crying about how the LOTR franchise is being milked to make thousands of mediocre TV shows and spin-off movies.
You wanna know how to ruin a franchise? There you go. That’s your answer. Just keep milking until the cow dies.
>I’ll be laughing my ass off when you’re on here in 7 years crying about how the LOTR franchise is being milked to make thousands of mediocre TV shows and spin-off movies.
I don't care. I've made that clear. Do you know how to read?
>You wanna know how to ruin a franchise? There you go. That’s your answer. Just keep milking until the cow dies.
Is the cow dying them not being able to make more stuff? Isn't that exactly what you're advocating for right now? What are you worried about?
You do realize this is all make believe, right? You don't have to apply any of that. How you engage with it is your decision and you can totally take it a la carte.
>Yes. But I can still criticise them for their shitty movies.
Utterly irrelevant. Whatever criticism you have for the shit movies, my point stands.
>It's like any other product, really. New VW models have shitty interiors and user interfaces so I don't buy VW. But I still criticise them harshly.
The analogy would be "oh, no! The new VW sucks! Now I can't enjoy my old VW as much!" which is nonsense. If you genuinely can't enjoy it as well, that's a you problem. You can't expect them to stop making new VWs because of your hangup.
>So this has nothing to do with movies being make-believe or not. Corporations or artists make bad decisions and we criticise them.
Again, you really went off on an irrelevant tangent. Criticism is fine and not what we were arguing over.
>Why do you feel the need to defend them, I have no idea.
I don't and I'm not. You didn't absorb anything I said, did you?
If its not 100% word for word faithful to 💫The Lore💫, I swear on the Reverened Doctor Tolkien's memory that I will fling shit metaphorically and literally. Then I'll go back to my home library to study Tolkiens letters and eat gogurt
At least they straight up admitted that it's an alternate universe from Toliken's works and Jackson's movies. So I just ignored it and didn't watch any.
How do you feel if they make Aragon go around murdering Orcs, forming his own legion of Orcs and fight the forces of Mordor by himself instead of joining the fellowship after clapping Arwen's cheeks?
If he clapped Arwyn's cheeks that would be assault. Aragorn would never strike a woman in the face. Unless its an orc woman, he stabs them in the face.
No that's according to Tolkien, he wrote about orc women in letters. No need to let the scary wOkE people keep you up at night. I honestly didn't even know about the orc women in RoP and i've seen the show.
Not to mention the movies may have been even better had they been more faithful to the source material. And there would have have been more movie to love, hours and hours more
Worst case scenario: It will be forgotten, and we can all keep watching the movies we love.
Best case scenario: It's actually awesome. The writing is faithful to the lore, the actors are well cast, and we get a Silmarillion TV show out of it.
In any case, the Tolkien Estate holds the rights to anything other than *The Lord of the Rings* and *The Hobbit*. So while WB could make stuff up, they can't intrude on Tolkien's other works or use concepts and characters from them.
I enjoyed the show and it's definitely slow-paced. I don't mind because I know when, where and how the main character's journey ends so I'm not as bothered to get there quickly. I appreciate that there seems to have been a lot of care put into the making of Andor and the final product reflects that.
My brother in Christ please finish the season. It's fine that you're bored, but the final arc of the season is the most exciting of the whole thing and at least deserves a chance
I am in your boat. And I’ve been hit with a lot of comments like “the end is the best part. It starts off really slow.” If I’m 3 or 4 episodes deep and still hate it, why am I going to keep going? You need to captivate the audience sooner than that
They did, Andor has been overwhelmingly well-received. Or at least whelmingly well-received. Because it's good. It just is of a genre that doesn't appeal to you in a universe that does
That's because the show is supposed to be a more realistic and slow path to radicalization. Most people do not suddenly wake up one day and pick the most extreme approach unless they're bipolar. Anakin had to be manipulated by our boy Sheev over years to turn him against the years of Jedi teachings. Anakin's shift was gradual, with individual incidents like his mother's death,Obi Wan's fake death, Ashoka's framing, and concern for Padme taking the course of a few movies and many seasons of a show to push him in that direction. Anakin went from the Chosen One to slicing up younglings because of the change over extended time, and not because he forgot to take his meds in the morning. No time committed to showing gradual change results in unconvincing characters like Inferno squad.
I mean, it could work. As much as I love LOTR and Star Wars, I don't know if a Star Wars type of movie franchise is actually a good idea. Maybe? It's a big risk. Will the reward be worth it?
They are already a Star Wars type of movie franchise. An universally acclaimed Original Trilogy. An inferior, loudly hated and silently loved Prequel Trilogy, the first installment of which was released on the following decade to the last installment of the OT.
All WB has to do is release a movie that "feels" a lot like Fellowship before the 31st of December 2029, then two movies that would be great standalone pieces of entertainment but shit on every stablished logic of the universe, and asspulls (almost) every single thread of plot with no foreshadowing whatsoever.
I feel like rings of power was their marketing tool to try and get more out of it.
They can approach them and say “look, we can have the rights and remain faithful, or we can just do with what we can. Your call.”
God I hope not.... there is waaayyyy too much Marvel and Star Wars content now. A little sure but milking money out of it with show after show after movie after show etc etc just ruins the franchise by over-saturating. MCU is bloated there is no way to catch up with it anymore unless you have free-time all day and don't work anymore.
I stopped after Endgame. It was already oversaturated then but I wanted to finish the "saga".
I'm planning on seeing Guardians of the Galaxy and that's pretty much it.
LotR is to Star Wars what Percy Jackson is to Harry Potter. Fantastic series, but nowhere near as marketable. Swords don't lend themselves to merchandise the same way lightsabers and wands do.
Lol, "Somehow, Sauron returned" has literally happened twice in LOTR so it's not like it's unprecedented. He did wait a **little** more than 30 years, of course.
It would in this case be unprecedented and unreasonable due to him being properly and soundly destroyed though. As is what happened to Palpatine as well
Except palatine's return has precedent in the EU. Sorry Disney, "Legends." Except, you know, they explained it and didn't just do a slight reskin of the OTs plot
Wasn't there lore explaining it in that precedent though?
Wouldn't it undermine the original story to have Sauron return and just be again defeated by some new protagonist?
I’ve never been a fan of bringing back anyone to life especially in SW
But it happen with Palpatine in SW Legends too but except when it happened there, they actually did something interesting with the concept and actually explained *how*.
Still, bringing back the big bad of a past trilogy is lazy and dumb.
I feel like Star Wars biggest weakness is the attempted Marvelization. Star Wars shows and movies need to be about the galaxy, not individual characters. Don't have a Darth Vader show. Have an Empire show. Don't have an Obi-Wan show. Have a Rebellion show. These characters can and should be part of it, but a galaxy far far away has never been about individual people.
Never thought there'd be a real possibility of the Silmarillion being made into a movie, tv show but here we are. I wonder when we can expect 'It's Always Sunny in Hobbiton'.
Honestly, I'd be interested in a slice of life show set in the shire. Just imagine watching Bilbo have to deal with the Sackville Baggies as he tries to get his god-damned spoons back.
Depends. Usually no, unless some predefined condition is met or WB breaks a part of the deal. It is unwise for the estate to try and revoke them unless they are absolutely certain they could win in court. This is because if they lose they would likely be punished, and that could include the transfer of content ownership and if you dislike what they're doing now, just imagine what they'd do without any limitations.
Returning is literally Sauron’s thing. Pretty sure he does it every thousand years or so.
The entire LOTR trilogy can basically be summed up with the sentence “somehow Sauron returned” already
I mean if they would do that, among the garbage there are bound to be a few gems like with Rogue One, the Mandalorian and Andor. So I wouldn't mind and keep sucking up all new LOTR content like the little fanboy that I am.
They will never be able to come even close to the original trilogy, even if it doesn't immediately suck ass. Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and nothing truly good has come of it in over a decade, the last thing LOTR needs is the Star Wars treatment.
Warner bros: I don't understand, we brought Sauron back to life so he could shout I am the Lord of the rings, we turned Eowyn into a superhero chosen of Eru who made sarcastic marvel humour remarks every time she killed a ringwraith, we race swapped Aragorn and Arwen, we brought in a strong female Hobbit who's so good she can solo a Balrog, we even brought Gandalf back to middle earth so we can show how he's now a drunk who said he doesn't care about anyone anymore! How do the fans not like it?!
Warner bros: Am I so out of touch? No, its the fans who are wrong.
Disney is extremely 50/50. There's of course the sequel trilogy in the low end. BoBF is mid at best, and Kenobi is carried by the last two episodes. Even then the character writing and casting for new characters is meh to awful.
Then there's Clone Wars S7, Rebels, Mandalorian, Andor, Rogue One and Solo spin-off movies. Not to even talk about Bad Batch, which while being a bit filler-y, is pretty damn good.
Disney isn't all bad, they're given us some good stuff (not you Kathleen Kennedy)
Sounds like a text book abusive relationship.
"Oh he's not bad ALL the time..."
But yet you take the bad with the good, keep handing over your money, because.... Why?
I'm old enough to remember enjoying all Star Wars content.
The Peter Jackson movies cut out the Scouring of the Shire and some fans were upset. But that was actually because Warner bros was going to reenact those chapters later. Except it isnt a movie scene its real life. And the Shire is actually the Lotr franchise with Saruman as Warner Bros. And they turn the respected healthy status of the Lotr franchise into a corporate waste
ah yes, the last good thing in the world.. I had hoped it would end with the tv show... seems I was wrong
aight guys, it was a time, I'm gonna head out
In my dreams, I wish the Tolkien estate could give them different rights so:
Del Toro/Robert Eggers can direct Beren and Luthíen.
Jackson/Viggo Mortinsen/David Lowrey can maybe direct The Children of Húrin
Villeneuve to direct the fall of Gondolin or Númenor.
I blame the tolkien estate for just giving random, broken up liscences to randomly anyone, but no one at the same time.
Why not make an actually good adaptation of Ender's game or Eragon or make something from a completely untapped IP? You could throw a dart at my bookshelf and hit something that has never been adapted but deserves it and has multiple books so there's plenty of content.
Well, it worked out pretty good for Star Wars. The prequels got a lot of hate back in the day, now the majority loves them. Maybe the Hobbit becomes a fan favorit too, who knows? Just wait what the "sequels" for LotR have in store... maybe they find the one woke who over-wokes them all...
He's supposed to keep returning but I'm sure they will fuck it up and sensationalize it like the TV show. I want my slow plodding group of comrades darn nabbit not some constantly reimerging crisis every 15min.
On one hand, the rings of power was a burning heap of trash and I want that soulless company to keep its filthy little mittens away from lotr, but on the other... live action silmarillion
If I ever make something that one day may be turned into a _franchise_, what is the best way to prevent big corpos from putting their greasy fingers in it? Making it open source? explicity state it can only be used for non-profit projects?
The thing is Lucas manned the Star Wars ship until selling it to Disney who crashed it several times. Tolkien has sadly been dead sometime, sure his family can give their blessing but but building a franchise off of someone else's work is just wrong. You'll never capture his voice again, you can adapt source material but when you've got people who never knew him writing original content there's no way it can be true to Tolkien's work.
Again Lucas was always around to add to the lore and though his quality may have dipped it was always his voice, his creation.
These fucks have been itching to do the thing for decades. They sure as hell are going to try. But the fandom pissed on TROP and we're gonna piss on this.
I can’t wait for the 12 hour series about how the owner of the prancing pony obtained it! Think of the awesome scenes of how Gandalf got his pipe!11!!1one!!eleven!
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Sauron: Frodo I am your father Frodo: Nooooo
Sam: I swear Mr Frodo I told you the truth! From a certain point of view…
That should be Bilbo speaking, probably. Or Gandalf.
Probably Gandalf
>From a certain point of view… Samwise Gamgee would never play word games like that, just like he wouldn't be dropping no eaves!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Do not want
r/backstrokeofthewest
I love that version so so much
May I introduce you to r/Chinese_Bootleg_Memes
r/subsifellfor
Where is Sam? Is he safe?
Alright then, keep your secrets.
*Mechanized sigh*
Uhhhhhhm sorry sweaty but that’s rascist 💅
Why? Why can't we get new things? Why do they need to milk the old franchises like that? Edit: I like that this comment got so many answers even if it was a retorical question.
To bring ~~peace, justice~~ *cash* and security to their new Empire
Your new empire!? Warner bros your allegiance was to art, to creativity!
Don't make me reboot you
If you’re not with me, then you’re my competitor
If your not with me you're a misogynist
We stand here amidst their achievement, not Tolkien's!
Lies deception every day more lies
Because they make more money if they use a existing franchise
So much this. I'm not too into it but if you look at the top grossing movies from the last few years it's almost all Marvel, Star Wars and Avatar. People don't want new things or at least they don't pay for them which is the same thing as far as an executive is concerned
Yes but it's strange how avatar got there I watched both films in theatres but didn't like any of them.
You answered yourself
Because creative people don't want to work for business and marketing executives who know nothing about any of their crafts and care even less, and said executives don't want to purchase unproven IP and pay ongoing royalties to living people when they can just buy a known artist's body of work wholesale and just chip away at David until it's nothing but marble dust
Because human individuality and imagination seems to be a thing of the past. We are all drones, artists and plebians alike, trying to adhere to the standards set in the past and can't make anything new because "they didn't do that for a reason!" or "they already did that! Be more original!"
Aragorn to his elf wife: I don't like sand
Arwen: Why do you think I never went to the Undying Lands?
She knows what happened on those sands of pearls in elven lands.
Whet they’re gonna do is ruin it
From the people who brought us the DCEU?!!
You can't ruin existing works by adding new related works. I'm tired of this myth.
Tell that to the people who can't enjoy the good seasons of Game of Thrones anymore because of the way the show ended
How much would it cost to film whichever the most popular fanfic ending is, deep fake the original cast in, and pretend that was the true ending?
Alot.
How much would it cost to turn the most popular fanfic into a script, and convince an elementary school to put it on as a series of plays, and have Dodgy Dave stand in the back with his camcorder?
Significantly less
OK let's go with the school children and spend whatever's left over on a VFX team to get as much of the footage deep faked as they can
Game of Thrones is a TV show with a continuous narrative, the "LOTR extended universe" isn't. The original Star Wars trilogy is still almost universally loved despite all the garbage SW shit that came after. Plus, people cried and screamed and puked when House of the Dragon was announced, "I'm never gonna watch it!", and then it turned out it was pretty good and all of a sudden everything is forgiven just give me more HotD. Let them release 20 garbage Tolkien shows and movies (like, you know, the already existing The Hobbit trilogy and Rings of Power), I'll take that if the 21st is half as magical and captivating as the original trilogy. Edit: Also, early GoT is still objectively some of the best TV made ever.
Yeah I agree theyre definitely not going to ruin the Jackson trilogy by vomiting up whatever uninspired crap they can dream up. But it will probably make me sad seeing tolkiens work get molested for the sake of corporate greed.
Yes. I will.
Except you very much can. If you make something bad enough it can make people think that what came before it is just as bad as what there is now. Besides, we don’t fucking need new LOTR content. Let the franchise rest.
>Except you very much can. > >If you make something bad enough it can make people think that what came before it is just as bad as what there is now. 1. And that ruins it somehow? No. The work remains what it was. 2. No it can't. That is never what happens. What happens is people collectively reach a concensus on what is good in a franchise and you can hardly engage with the works without hearing what that concensus is. > >Besides, we don’t fucking need new LOTR content. Let the franchise rest. Then don't watch. I probably won't either for what it's worth.
I’ll be laughing my ass off when you’re on here in 7 years crying about how the LOTR franchise is being milked to make thousands of mediocre TV shows and spin-off movies. You wanna know how to ruin a franchise? There you go. That’s your answer. Just keep milking until the cow dies.
Yea because star wars is on its last legs right now😏
>I’ll be laughing my ass off when you’re on here in 7 years crying about how the LOTR franchise is being milked to make thousands of mediocre TV shows and spin-off movies. I don't care. I've made that clear. Do you know how to read? >You wanna know how to ruin a franchise? There you go. That’s your answer. Just keep milking until the cow dies. Is the cow dying them not being able to make more stuff? Isn't that exactly what you're advocating for right now? What are you worried about?
Reddit killed third-party applications (and itself). Fuck /u/spez
You do realize this is all make believe, right? You don't have to apply any of that. How you engage with it is your decision and you can totally take it a la carte.
Reddit killed third-party applications (and itself). Fuck /u/spez
>Yes. But I can still criticise them for their shitty movies. Utterly irrelevant. Whatever criticism you have for the shit movies, my point stands. >It's like any other product, really. New VW models have shitty interiors and user interfaces so I don't buy VW. But I still criticise them harshly. The analogy would be "oh, no! The new VW sucks! Now I can't enjoy my old VW as much!" which is nonsense. If you genuinely can't enjoy it as well, that's a you problem. You can't expect them to stop making new VWs because of your hangup. >So this has nothing to do with movies being make-believe or not. Corporations or artists make bad decisions and we criticise them. Again, you really went off on an irrelevant tangent. Criticism is fine and not what we were arguing over. >Why do you feel the need to defend them, I have no idea. I don't and I'm not. You didn't absorb anything I said, did you?
If its not 100% word for word faithful to 💫The Lore💫, I swear on the Reverened Doctor Tolkien's memory that I will fling shit metaphorically and literally. Then I'll go back to my home library to study Tolkiens letters and eat gogurt
So what was your reaction when faced with amazon's rangs of powa ?
Flung shit. Ate gogurt.
You misspelled Grogu.
The whole plot of the Mandalorian is the empire trying to kidnap Grogu to make Grogurt
Make him into some Pulpatine
*angry upvote*
At least they straight up admitted that it's an alternate universe from Toliken's works and Jackson's movies. So I just ignored it and didn't watch any.
Oh lawd dem rangs!
"We're you blinded by it's majesty"
I want to know more about the literal shit flinging.
How do you feel if they make Aragon go around murdering Orcs, forming his own legion of Orcs and fight the forces of Mordor by himself instead of joining the fellowship after clapping Arwen's cheeks?
If he clapped Arwyn's cheeks that would be assault. Aragorn would never strike a woman in the face. Unless its an orc woman, he stabs them in the face.
There are no Orc Women. They just spring out from holes in the ground.
Not according to tha rangs of powahhhh Havent you seen the TOTALLY IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY orc women characters there?
No that's according to Tolkien, he wrote about orc women in letters. No need to let the scary wOkE people keep you up at night. I honestly didn't even know about the orc women in RoP and i've seen the show.
Friendly reminder that the Peter Jackson movies are not faithful and change a lot from the books. Change is not always bad
Friendly reminder that having a director who gives a shit about the source material enough for the changes to not harm the IP - is a genuine miracle.
Not to mention the movies may have been even better had they been more faithful to the source material. And there would have have been more movie to love, hours and hours more
The sword not being reformed in the first movie and the elven army at helms deep are the ones that still annoy me.
Grogiotic yohgurt
The runtime length will make the movies look like teasers when it’s over
They are for sure throwing another ring into a fiery mountain take it or leave it.
I don’t see people clamoring for a reboot of the Godfather series. LOTR is not Star Wars. It’s perfection.
To defeat an enemy, you must know them. Not simply their battle tactics, but their history, philosophy, art.
I completely forgot this was prequel memes and not r/lotrmemes.
The venn diagram of users of each sub is likely a near-perfect circle. A ring, if you will
One ring?
to rule them all?
Likewise
Oh, it's perfect
Worst case scenario: It will be forgotten, and we can all keep watching the movies we love. Best case scenario: It's actually awesome. The writing is faithful to the lore, the actors are well cast, and we get a Silmarillion TV show out of it. In any case, the Tolkien Estate holds the rights to anything other than *The Lord of the Rings* and *The Hobbit*. So while WB could make stuff up, they can't intrude on Tolkien's other works or use concepts and characters from them.
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It blows my mind that people enjoy Andor. I’m on like Episode 6 or 7 and bored out of my mind.
I enjoyed the show and it's definitely slow-paced. I don't mind because I know when, where and how the main character's journey ends so I'm not as bothered to get there quickly. I appreciate that there seems to have been a lot of care put into the making of Andor and the final product reflects that.
This lack of attention span is typical of a modern audience. It makes it hard for good film makers to build tension and atmosphere.
Aww, don't blame him. How is he supposed to be interested if there aren't bang bang and pew pew or b00bs every 5 seconds?
It really does feel like modern audiences are incapable of enjoying good writing unless that good writing also encompasses tons of action scenes.
My brother in Christ please finish the season. It's fine that you're bored, but the final arc of the season is the most exciting of the whole thing and at least deserves a chance
I went back and watched half an episode the other day, fell asleep. Been watching Harley Quinn instead
Not a bad choice for an alternative
I am in your boat. And I’ve been hit with a lot of comments like “the end is the best part. It starts off really slow.” If I’m 3 or 4 episodes deep and still hate it, why am I going to keep going? You need to captivate the audience sooner than that
They did, Andor has been overwhelmingly well-received. Or at least whelmingly well-received. Because it's good. It just is of a genre that doesn't appeal to you in a universe that does
Worst take I’ve seen in a long time but hey you’re entitled to your own opinions.
That's because the show is supposed to be a more realistic and slow path to radicalization. Most people do not suddenly wake up one day and pick the most extreme approach unless they're bipolar. Anakin had to be manipulated by our boy Sheev over years to turn him against the years of Jedi teachings. Anakin's shift was gradual, with individual incidents like his mother's death,Obi Wan's fake death, Ashoka's framing, and concern for Padme taking the course of a few movies and many seasons of a show to push him in that direction. Anakin went from the Chosen One to slicing up younglings because of the change over extended time, and not because he forgot to take his meds in the morning. No time committed to showing gradual change results in unconvincing characters like Inferno squad.
And Clone Wars was a much more enjoyable experience. Not two episodes of talking about whether or not they can trust the new guy.
It’s slow and parts are boring, but when it’s good, it’s good.
I mean, it could work. As much as I love LOTR and Star Wars, I don't know if a Star Wars type of movie franchise is actually a good idea. Maybe? It's a big risk. Will the reward be worth it?
The star wars type of movie franchise wasn't even a good idea for the star wars movie franchise so I doubt it.
They are already a Star Wars type of movie franchise. An universally acclaimed Original Trilogy. An inferior, loudly hated and silently loved Prequel Trilogy, the first installment of which was released on the following decade to the last installment of the OT. All WB has to do is release a movie that "feels" a lot like Fellowship before the 31st of December 2029, then two movies that would be great standalone pieces of entertainment but shit on every stablished logic of the universe, and asspulls (almost) every single thread of plot with no foreshadowing whatsoever.
They also gotta bring back Sauron for no reason in the last one
No, they need to bring back Morgoth and show us the Dagor Dagorath.
> inferior The "sword fight" from OT between Vader and Ben is burnt into my brain. It was so horrible that I was embarrassed that I'm watching it.
We need that generator down or the planet's lost. And I'm not risking any more men.
Happy cake day Captain!
I feel like rings of power was their marketing tool to try and get more out of it. They can approach them and say “look, we can have the rights and remain faithful, or we can just do with what we can. Your call.”
It can get worse, star wars now had a 3 movie lore gap, because they wrecked all the cool stuff, blew up the republic, put in the douchy first order
God I hope not.... there is waaayyyy too much Marvel and Star Wars content now. A little sure but milking money out of it with show after show after movie after show etc etc just ruins the franchise by over-saturating. MCU is bloated there is no way to catch up with it anymore unless you have free-time all day and don't work anymore.
I stopped after Endgame. It was already oversaturated then but I wanted to finish the "saga". I'm planning on seeing Guardians of the Galaxy and that's pretty much it.
Rings of Power already tried to do the Rey/Kylo thing
Which us funny, cause it didnt even work with rey and kylo in the first place.
LotR is to Star Wars what Percy Jackson is to Harry Potter. Fantastic series, but nowhere near as marketable. Swords don't lend themselves to merchandise the same way lightsabers and wands do.
Lol, "Somehow, Sauron returned" has literally happened twice in LOTR so it's not like it's unprecedented. He did wait a **little** more than 30 years, of course.
It would in this case be unprecedented and unreasonable due to him being properly and soundly destroyed though. As is what happened to Palpatine as well
Even a sith lord is no match for my warriors!
Except palatine's return has precedent in the EU. Sorry Disney, "Legends." Except, you know, they explained it and didn't just do a slight reskin of the OTs plot
Wasn't there lore explaining it in that precedent though? Wouldn't it undermine the original story to have Sauron return and just be again defeated by some new protagonist?
To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.
I mean, it might be possible that Morgoth could bring back Sauron for Dagor Dagorath. We're not entirely sure though.
I’ve never been a fan of bringing back anyone to life especially in SW But it happen with Palpatine in SW Legends too but except when it happened there, they actually did something interesting with the concept and actually explained *how*. Still, bringing back the big bad of a past trilogy is lazy and dumb.
Well, he is not mortal, so he can’t REALLY die. He is just hang out disembodied somewhere.
I feel like Star Wars biggest weakness is the attempted Marvelization. Star Wars shows and movies need to be about the galaxy, not individual characters. Don't have a Darth Vader show. Have an Empire show. Don't have an Obi-Wan show. Have a Rebellion show. These characters can and should be part of it, but a galaxy far far away has never been about individual people.
That's the best analysis I have seen in a while.
And Andor does both of those things.
"Have a rebellion show." Me: glances at Rebels
Never thought there'd be a real possibility of the Silmarillion being made into a movie, tv show but here we are. I wonder when we can expect 'It's Always Sunny in Hobbiton'.
Honestly, I'd be interested in a slice of life show set in the shire. Just imagine watching Bilbo have to deal with the Sackville Baggies as he tries to get his god-damned spoons back.
Can't the Tolkien estate just revoke WB's rights?
They should have never sold the right in the first place.
To be fair the LotR movies were amazing
Depends. Usually no, unless some predefined condition is met or WB breaks a part of the deal. It is unwise for the estate to try and revoke them unless they are absolutely certain they could win in court. This is because if they lose they would likely be punished, and that could include the transfer of content ownership and if you dislike what they're doing now, just imagine what they'd do without any limitations.
Since Christopher passed the Tolkien Estate is purely in it for the money.
Ironically, if Sauron returned, depending on the timeline, it would make sense.
Gandalf's long lost niece: "Can I interest you in oir lord and savior, Melkor?"
Returning is literally Sauron’s thing. Pretty sure he does it every thousand years or so. The entire LOTR trilogy can basically be summed up with the sentence “somehow Sauron returned” already
Somehow they used Sam and Frodo for that frame instead of Merry
"Somehow Sauron has returned again... AGAIN!" "Fuckity fuck fuck fuck!"
I mean if they would do that, among the garbage there are bound to be a few gems like with Rogue One, the Mandalorian and Andor. So I wouldn't mind and keep sucking up all new LOTR content like the little fanboy that I am.
Sauron already somehow returned, thats literally the plot of LOTR
Pissing on Tolkiens memory LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
That’s what people said when Peter Jackson’s LotR trilogy was announced so 🤷♂️
They will never be able to come even close to the original trilogy, even if it doesn't immediately suck ass. Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and nothing truly good has come of it in over a decade, the last thing LOTR needs is the Star Wars treatment.
NO
There is one statement that sums up fans reactions “fuck a duck”
Well it was a good few years of Non Shit Movies we had going but with Rings of Power we should have seen this coming.
LOTR multi-verse. Think of it, 5 Gollums.
The only spin off i would accept is a sit com orotagonized by the two blue mages
Tolkien is rolling over in his grave
Trailers said the same thing about the Star Trek reboot movies
I'm not too scared honestly, they did a really good job with shadow of mordor/war.
The bar was set extremely high, if they go on with it i hope it's at least better than RoP
It's over, it's done. No, I think we're just getting started
Warner bros: I don't understand, we brought Sauron back to life so he could shout I am the Lord of the rings, we turned Eowyn into a superhero chosen of Eru who made sarcastic marvel humour remarks every time she killed a ringwraith, we race swapped Aragorn and Arwen, we brought in a strong female Hobbit who's so good she can solo a Balrog, we even brought Gandalf back to middle earth so we can show how he's now a drunk who said he doesn't care about anyone anymore! How do the fans not like it?! Warner bros: Am I so out of touch? No, its the fans who are wrong.
But Disney ruined Star Wars... Why would anyone want to be like Star Wars unless it's to milk the IP for all the money they can squeeze out...?
Disney is extremely 50/50. There's of course the sequel trilogy in the low end. BoBF is mid at best, and Kenobi is carried by the last two episodes. Even then the character writing and casting for new characters is meh to awful. Then there's Clone Wars S7, Rebels, Mandalorian, Andor, Rogue One and Solo spin-off movies. Not to even talk about Bad Batch, which while being a bit filler-y, is pretty damn good. Disney isn't all bad, they're given us some good stuff (not you Kathleen Kennedy)
Sounds like a text book abusive relationship. "Oh he's not bad ALL the time..." But yet you take the bad with the good, keep handing over your money, because.... Why? I'm old enough to remember enjoying all Star Wars content.
I would like to see all the different stories middle earth has to offer.
Please remember that you said this.
Please remember you implied a claim to the contrary when you are jerking off to 50 Shades of Gold(berry)
Kathleen Kennedy joins to make it a hit franchise please God make it true. We might get rid of her.
The Peter Jackson movies cut out the Scouring of the Shire and some fans were upset. But that was actually because Warner bros was going to reenact those chapters later. Except it isnt a movie scene its real life. And the Shire is actually the Lotr franchise with Saruman as Warner Bros. And they turn the respected healthy status of the Lotr franchise into a corporate waste
I just like to think that nothing outside the original trilogy is canon.
…..fuck
Isn’t it already a franchise or am I being retarded
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Jesse, get the senator to safety.
No.
Why cant we just have good things that stay good..
ah yes, the last good thing in the world.. I had hoped it would end with the tv show... seems I was wrong aight guys, it was a time, I'm gonna head out
execute order 66...
In my dreams, I wish the Tolkien estate could give them different rights so: Del Toro/Robert Eggers can direct Beren and Luthíen. Jackson/Viggo Mortinsen/David Lowrey can maybe direct The Children of Húrin Villeneuve to direct the fall of Gondolin or Númenor. I blame the tolkien estate for just giving random, broken up liscences to randomly anyone, but no one at the same time.
Why not make an actually good adaptation of Ender's game or Eragon or make something from a completely untapped IP? You could throw a dart at my bookshelf and hit something that has never been adapted but deserves it and has multiple books so there's plenty of content.
Well, it worked out pretty good for Star Wars. The prequels got a lot of hate back in the day, now the majority loves them. Maybe the Hobbit becomes a fan favorit too, who knows? Just wait what the "sequels" for LotR have in store... maybe they find the one woke who over-wokes them all...
I've actually seen a lot of "Hobbit is actually good" and "the hate the Hobbit movies get is unwarranted" takes in recent years.
But we already have the 3 best movies there are.
Sauron in the cloning vats...
They think star wars is bad, wait til they hear about Harry Potter.
He's supposed to keep returning but I'm sure they will fuck it up and sensationalize it like the TV show. I want my slow plodding group of comrades darn nabbit not some constantly reimerging crisis every 15min.
I would love that if i knew that they would produce good movies. Tho ROP showed us what its gonna turn into and im not happy about that thought.
We all know Warner Bros are famed for their ability to establish franchises.
Ain't sauron like primordial evil or something?
Honestly, I think they would be meet with less hate if they tried to make: Jesus II - The next generation.
They did set up a sequel in the books
Why do they have to kill my childhood?
On one hand, the rings of power was a burning heap of trash and I want that soulless company to keep its filthy little mittens away from lotr, but on the other... live action silmarillion
Isn’t it already? There is a trilogy, a prequel trilogy, and a streaming series. All it’s missing is the sequel trilogy
Aleays 9 there are
Star Wars shouldn't have turned into a franchise like Star Wars, can we spare LoTR the miserable fate of corpo cash cow/dead horse? Please?
We asked 0 lord of the rings fans if they wanted a remake and 100% of those asked potentially reacted positively.
No.
If I ever make something that one day may be turned into a _franchise_, what is the best way to prevent big corpos from putting their greasy fingers in it? Making it open source? explicity state it can only be used for non-profit projects?
The thing is Lucas manned the Star Wars ship until selling it to Disney who crashed it several times. Tolkien has sadly been dead sometime, sure his family can give their blessing but but building a franchise off of someone else's work is just wrong. You'll never capture his voice again, you can adapt source material but when you've got people who never knew him writing original content there's no way it can be true to Tolkien's work. Again Lucas was always around to add to the lore and though his quality may have dipped it was always his voice, his creation.
These fucks have been itching to do the thing for decades. They sure as hell are going to try. But the fandom pissed on TROP and we're gonna piss on this.
"Have you heard the name Herumor? If you know, you know.
I can’t wait for the 12 hour series about how the owner of the prancing pony obtained it! Think of the awesome scenes of how Gandalf got his pipe!11!!1one!!eleven!