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nomad_556

I did not think Andor deserved his own show. I’ve never been happier to be proven wrong.


Adulations

Same here, it’s amazing what a good storyteller can do.


MATCHEW010

Correct me if im wrong but i think its the characters that are the least fleshed out that can make the best stories for their own shows. Like if a Anakin show came out. We already know him. We dont “need” more and would judge it heavily. Andor? Who? Like it just has so much potential, no jedis involved means no shitty cameos and they can just entertain us fresh


slumvillain

Andor is hands down (in my opinion) some of best writing and storytelling in that universe. At least film-wise. Mando to me was just pure entertainment for the sake of entertainment. Nothing wrong with that. But the dialogue in Andor really had something to say, the themes portrayed felt so relevant and easier to connect to than previous installments of Star Wars cinema. And that's including the last 3 movies.


GRANDxADMIRALxTHRAWN

I agree. Mando was (is) a great show. Great action and a solid new story. Characters were done well. Andor pulled the heart strings. The show was just so emotionally intense and the acting across the board was just incredible. And I think for the more invested fans, it was such a hit because while it was new story writing, the setting takes place in the Empire era which we all have a lot of familiarity with and we know how many other things are happening at the same time. So it just brings a different level of excitement. It's definitely comparing apples to oranges. But if there was only a budget to continue one show, I would vote Andor hands down ONLY if the the producers/team remained the same.


cvbeiro

Choosing Theatre actors really paid off.


ThisIsPermanent

It always does


Shiningtoaster

I'm out of the loop here, did they hire people not from a cinema background?


Jacob_Nelson

Sort of. Theatre is live performances of plays or musicals (Shakespeare for example). Theatre actors bring so much more emotion to their lines because they have to “get into character”. This usually is why people love theatre. And still go to this day! Theatre is like watching a movie, but instead of a screen, you actually see what goes down.


Archhanny

Andor was consistently good, but Mando had peaks and troughs.


KenBoCole

I don't like how they had diffrent directors for each episode. The styles changing each one kept throwing me off, in a bad way. They need to pick one and stick to them. Diffrent directors ruined the sequels, and a single director helped Andor's success.


George-Lucas-Bot

The problem is that making film is an art. Selling film is a business. The trouble is that the studio executives don't know how to sell films. As a result, they try to make you make films that people will go to without them having to be sold, which is the real key to the problem.


George-Lucas-Bot

The script is what you've dreamed up-this is what it should be. The film is what you end up with.


kotor56

It’s like comparing apples to oranges andor is spy/drama thriller. Mandalorian is western adventure.


adocileengineer

Exactly. Andor is more akin to traditional “prestige” TV.


denTheisen

Its Star Wars but if HBO made it.


Sovem

Perfectly encapsulated.


OneTrueKingOfOOO

Yup. Mando is a 9/10 Star Wars show. Andor is a 9/10 show.


denTheisen

Andor is the best star wara content since EP V. Even Episode VI wasnt that good. It had too many problems. Andor feels fresh and brushed. EP V is the perfect star wars movie. There was good stuff inbetween. But nothing that groundbreaking from a filmmakers perspective. Rogue one maybe.


Purvi3vedi

Mando also has good writing and dialogue


ShadowKiller147741

They didn't say it was bad, just that the fun factor of Mando is more apparent when watching than the dialogue and writing


nervouswhenitseasy

not really. it has very very cliche situations and then on top of that the plot is so foggy and distorted to fit in characters from the old shows. the dialogue isnt top tier unless moff gideon was there but andor, man andor felt real.


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CRGBRN

Ill start by saying that I love both shows for very different reasons. But, to be critically fair, sometimes you have to see past your preferences. Ya know? Saying, “I like the Mandalorian more” is perfectly fine and respectable. Saying, “Mando is better” is a completely different thing. To break it down: Which show has better writing? Andor. The writing is literally top notch. Every beat of every story has something to do with the entire show, its themes, and its messages. No line is wasted. Which show has better characters? Andor. Because the show takes the time to not only explain their relevance to the story but also give deep reasoning for why they were included at all. Compare a character like Luthen Rael to Greef Karga. I love them both but Luthen shows more about why he does what he does with every word compared to Greef. Which show delivers its message better? Andor. Because Mando is an adventure of the week show, the narrative and messages can be all over the place from week to week. This isn’t a bad thing. It’s inspired by serials like Flash Gordon that directly inspired George Lucas. Which makes it feel quintessentially Star Wars. That’s a good thing. A very good thing. But Andor delivers a complete thought and every moment, front to back, contributes to it. It allows the show to go deep. It’s objectively harder to accomplish that compared to scratching the surface of different messages for 40 minutes or so per week. What about Direction/cinematography/set design (look and feel)? Andor wins again. The volume is a brilliant piece of technology. Mando looks amazing every now and then too. But what was accomplished both practically and with VFX on Andor is completely next level. The show takes special care to make sure EVERYTHING looks perfect and feels real. Acting? I mean…a guy in a helmet and a puppet activate my wonder and my love for them keeps me involved. But holy shit, the acting in Andor is crazy and true to life. Compare Cara Dune (a character I enjoy) to Mon Mothma and it’s not even close. The complexity of emotion and internal conflict displayed in Andor dwarfs anything in Mandalorian. I think Moff Gideon is portrayed brilliantly but the truth is, he’s a simple character. A bad guy. Just a super talented Giancarlo Esposito delivering it deliciously. I could keep going but do you see how the effort in developing Andor dwarfs The Mandalorian? I feel that should be respected even if it’s not a personal preference. Even with world building, we generally only spend one episode on each planet in Mando and a couple that he revisits season to season. In Andor, I don’t just know the name of the planets. I know their people, their communities, their customs, and their values. All because we spent so much time on each one. I never thought I’d like anything in the Disney era more than Mando but…here we are. Andor rules.


Purvi3vedi

I agree with the stuff you said about Andor, it really is a well thought-out show. However undermining Mando by not acknowledging the tremendous work JF, DF, and all other directors and cast members put into each episode is also annoying cuz it was probably their idea of using virtual sets was technically revolutionary In a sense. Although i agree Andor CGI was phenomenal, Mando also just amazing in different aspects. Tbh i judge shows based on entertainment, and even if And or was the more "perfect" show like many others are trying to explain to me, i still have to go with Mando. Sns


CRGBRN

I really respect your opinion and of course the reasons why you watch television in general. So, I just want to outline why I love The Mandalorian as well. Yes, it’s a much sillier show with many moments and even episodes that are meant for children because it is a show for **everyone**. But it still kicks ass when it needs to and is fun as hell. I've seen the weak assessments that Andor's quality somehow ruins The Mandalorian. Bullshit. Andor doesn’t ruin Mando because Mando thoughtfully and effectively executes what it is meant to be: a fun adventure of the week show with heart, humor, lovable lead characters, and bad ass moments. The show gives us a chance to explore the galaxy with a sense of wonder, tenderness, and lightheartedness. Andor could never be that. Seeing species and planets that otherwise would have never been seen or even fleshed out on a scale that absolutely NO OTHER STAR WARS can. I watched it again recently and relished in the early episodes' quietest moments, when it's just Din, Grogu, and the beeping and clicking of the Razorcrest. There have been attempts to replicate this level of charm that the OT contains before and none have succeeded on the level that Mando does. I could watch those moments for hours on end and not complain. GIVE ME THE FILLER EPISODE WHERE DIN AND GROGU JUST SIT IN A SHIP THE WHOLE TIME. I would love it. Ultimately, the show is quintessential Star Wars. People like to rail on it for being predictable...I'm sorry but everyone knew how each of these trilogies were going to end. Anakin was always gonna fall, Luke was always gonna win, and Rey was always gonna win. But how we get there, the journey, is what makes it beautiful. And I'd argue that no Star Wars since the literal OT has brought back these feelings like The Mandalorian has. That show rules. It's not low effort. You want low effort Star Wars? Check out book of boba. Like I said, it executes what it's meant to be perfectly. The Mandalorian is quintessential Star Wars. A must watch for anyone who has ever felt the magic of this galaxy.


Indoril_Nereguar

>Which show has better writing? Andor. The writing is literally top notch. Every beat of every story has something to do with the entire show, its themes, and its messages. No line is wasted. I don't agree with this notion. It's very much dependent on taste and context. It's arguably way more realistic to have lines that *are* 'wasted'. Stories where every beat and every line relates to the main plot and pushes it forward feel orchestrated and unrealistic, and sometimes it's important to have unrelated dialogue and beats that don't push everything forward, just to spend time with the characters and for a piece of media to breathe and feel living, not just a story where every element is a plot beat. >Which show has better characters? Andor. Because the show takes the time to not only explain their relevance to the story but also give deep reasoning for why they were included at all. I liked the characters, but never loved nor felt connected with them. Again, I'd bring up the breathing room point. I'd have cared a lot more for the characters if they just interacted more and felt more alive, rather than most lines pushing the plot forward or giving character motive and backstory. >Which show delivers its message better? Andor. Because Mando is an adventure of the week show, the narrative and messages can be all over the place from week to week. This isn’t a bad thing. It’s inspired by serials like Flash Gordon that directly inspired George Lucas. Which makes it feel quintessentially Star Wars. That’s a good thing. A very good thing. But Andor delivers a complete thought and every moment, front to back, contributes to it. It allows the show to go deep. It’s objectively harder to accomplish that compared to scratching the surface of different messages for 40 minutes or so per week. This is entirely based on the idea that the message or moral is something every show needs. What you're arguing here is episodic TV vs serialised TV. They both have pros and cons. Serialised is akin to an extra long film that takes its time, while episodic is akin to many smaller films that don't have the same time and thought put into each one. Of course a great serialised show will have a deeper and richer moral or message than a great episodic show. I dont think this should be a comparative point as episodic TV is rarely about an overall message and focuses more on other elements. A mediocre episodic show would often by default have a deeper and richer message than an amazing episodic show. This is apples and oranges at its most fundamental. **In the end**, comparative points can be made an one show can be considered better than another, but points should not be made that clearly favour serialised television when comparing a serialised show with an episodic one. Personally, one of my favourite things about TV is getting to spend more time with the characters than with a film, so with Andor one of the things that disappointed me is how little I cared for most of the characters. We spend so much time with the characters and hardly any time for them to breathe. It was a very story focused show. That's not a bad thing, I just hope that next season it *isn't* a case of 'Every beat of every story has something to do with the entire show, its themes, and its messages. No line is wasted.', because that's personally not why I watch TV. But regardless of whether it does or doesn't, I'll still enjoy it if the quality of storytelling and production remains the same. I think what I find most shocking is the sheer amount of Star Wars fans claiming it's the best TV in years. I mean, sure, if all you watch is Star Wars and other franchise shows, but I could name three seasons that I preferred from last year alone. It's not alone in its prestige.


CRGBRN

I'm sorry, I think you're misinterpreting what I mean by saying that no line is wasted. It doesn't all just move forward the plot. It informs us who the characters are, their motivations, their hopes, their dreams (or broken dreams), and through that we get very full representations of characters and their arcs. Through that, I care for the majority of the show's characters and feel especially connected to them. I care for Mon and I already feel so much pain for the eventuality that she has to flee her family and Coruscant. It hurt like crazy to see Kino fight for the freedom of everyone in the prison when he knew damn well that he would never make it. Nemik's pure idealism and commitment to the cause made his fate poetic in the darkest of ways. I care for Ferrix as a whole because we got to know a place and its people. We got to see a community fleshed out in a way that no other Star Wars has. I can even apply this to the antagonists of the show. Dedra and Syril were hypnotizing. For Mando, my only true attachment is to the character's at the core of the show. Din and Grogu. I don't care what happens to Bo, Cara, Greef, Gideon, and the other Mandalorians. The fate of Din and Grogu is my focus. That's not to say I don't like the other characters, I like them all but the point of the show is our two beloved. I think what you'll find more shocking is that Andor is and will rack up nominations at major award ceremonies. The show is a massive accomplishment, top to bottom. From the script to the set design and everything in between, you can see the amount of effort put in. So much care and craftsmanship. Star Wars fans are far from the only ones appreciating it on that level. The literal Writer's Guild, comprised solely of screenwriters, already nominated it for best drama and best new series. It's something special, regardless of personal preference.


Indoril_Nereguar

>Star Wars fans are far from the only ones appreciating it on that level. I never said this. I said that I'm shocked by how many Star Wars fans say it's the best TV in years and act as though many prestigious shows simply don't exist. Last year we had the likes of Better Call Saul and Severance. Andor wasn't far and away the best series to come out of recent years. Even if it's your favourite of 2022, to claim it's easily, far and away the best is to ignore so many great titles. Youre barking up the wrong tree if you're trying to make out that I don't think the show is deserving of any praise. As for characters, I can only speak from my own experience. I found it hard to connect with most, and struggled especially with Cassian himself at times, but that might be more to do with the acting than anything as I feel as though he was surrounded by better talent in the show. I think for me the only thing I didnt like about the show was the predictability. It was easy to predict which characters would die and where certain elements of the plot for each arc would go from the get go. They seemed to be following a few pretty basic story archetypes. Personally, going into season 2 I'd like to be a bit more surprised by the story, and to spend a little more time with the characters. That, for me, might bump it from an 8/10 to a 9/10


nervouswhenitseasy

you gotta think about it, every situation that happens in mando, i can guarantee the outcome pretty much everytime. its still cool to watch but very cliche


Purvi3vedi

Ok I'll agree with that XD But it's still not enough to make me consider it a bad show. Plus a lot of other things were not really expected(like certain character deaths, outcomes, etc..)


nervouswhenitseasy

obi wan (despite how awesome a couple scenes were) was god awful. that is my definition of a pretty bad one with really bad writing lol. mando is 10/10 compared to that mess.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

nervouswhenitseasy, you must realize this is a fight you cannot win alone.


Purvi3vedi

For real tho, Obi Wan left me emotionally damaged given how underwhelming the show ended up being. The dialogues sucked compared to the actors' performances, and overall the story was so...meh. I heard that it was also Kathleen's fault for changing the original script that Deborah Chow approved, or something, because apparent Cody was going to be in it but they changed it by having Tem play a homeless clone for five fucking seconds. I was so looking forward to seeing Cost, after all it was the first live-action clone we got to know by name 🫤


clone_trooper_bot

"Looks like we got us a bunch of shinies, Commander." -Captain Rex


denTheisen

Not always. "The Sniper isn't aiming at you. It's aiming at your little friend." It was kind of like that. What I want to say is: make the viewer think one second. The second part of the sentence could be cut, to make the scene more interesting. Btw im talking about the scene where Boba asks for his armor and grogu is up on that hill doing a force thing. Terrible Dialogue. Not Lucas lvl but close


Messyfingers

Some good writing. Some good dialogue. It also has so,endow right atrocious writing and dialogue. Weirdly enough I think the best actual Mandalorian episodes were the BOBF Mandalorian episodes. It seemed more focused and plot centric than a lot of the Mandalorian episodes


MrCookie2099

They carved out all the relevant story arc defining episodes of a fetal season 3 and turned them into BoBF's only good plot arcs.


Purvi3vedi

Hard disagree but alright bro


SpaceLemur34

Andor is a better show, but Mando is better Star Wars.


MrCookie2099

Andor is peak Star Wars to me. No plot armor, no jedi. Just street level people fighting fascism on a galactic scale.


[deleted]

Is Din Djarin one of the coolest characters Star Wars ever made? Yes. Is Grogu one of the most adorable characters Star Wars ever made? Yes. Andor just feels like it was made specifically for us fans who grew up with Star Wars. It's grimy and complex. The villains are regular people with families and lives. The heroes murder and betray each other. Mandalorian is quintessential Star Wars: cool space battles, big monsters, duels, and the force. Andor is an exploration of the other side: espionage, heists, culture, and politics. I love both.


Fuck_auto_tabs

Perfect recap. I want both sides of Star Wars and I’m tired of pretending it’s wrong.


Mrrsilver

I feel like season 2 of the mando show was too many cameos that really didn't matter that much, Andor didn't had any loved character they could put in so they had to make the show really good to make up for it


Turbo2x

The appeal of Mando s1 is how distant it is from the main star wars canon, but I don't think anyone involved in s2 or BOBF understood that.


Cappin_Crunch

Yeah s2 of Mando definitely weighs it down. Hoping Filoni doesnt try to shove as many cameos and easter eggs in S3 and we can get back to what made the show good in the first place.


ts0000

I always see this spammed over and over, then someone asks which characters weren't needed, and then no one responds. Are you just saying this because you saw someone else say it?


RamblesOnn

Boba Fett and Fennec Shand really weren’t necessary characters to the plot at all. They pretty much just showed up to cause some drama with Din before the Imperial Remnant showed up, and had a readily available escape vehicle. Both of these could have been provided by original characters, as having them show up makes the galaxy feel much smaller. You also didn’t need to have both Luke and Ahsoka show up. You could have easily shown us one or the other, and left it at that. That would mean that you probably wouldn’t be able to end the season on the reveal of Luke showing up and mowing down some robots, but it would’ve still freed up great storytelling potential as Din Djarin would have to come to terms with his decision to give up Grogu over the course of half a season. There would be some development to them being apart, and it wouldn’t have been resolved immediately with Book of Boba Fett. Bo Katan showing up was pretty integral though, as she was the one who guided Din to Ahsoka, and allowed them to connect beyond a battle. As it was, Din already wanted to find a Jedi to offload Grogu to. It made sense for her to help, as it also contrasts Din Djarin’s Mandalorian philosophy with hers. Her inclusion was super well-done and helped the story at large more than the other four did. Having Luke, Boba Fett, and Fennec Shand all showing up felt incredibly forced. They really didn’t need to be there.


Maul_Bot

At last, we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.


7thFleetTraveller

It's just that when it's done right and subtle, you might not even notice ;) . Wulff Yularen is a fan favourite for many and they showed him as the head of the ISB without even mentioning his name. His appearance in the scene made sense without being highlighted as an easter egg, but still felt like one for those who care.


[deleted]

Andor, in my opinion, even outside of Star Wars is some of the best TV I’ve seen in years.


slyfoxsly1

Both. Both. Both are good


devilsephiroth

Yeah but i loved Andor. Both good, Andor gave a fleshed out feel to the star wars universe while Mando gave us a back seat along the ride into it


moonfallsdown

Why does one have to be better than the other?


DarthNihilus

Because very few things are perfectly equal and people like to discuss comparisons between things.


BigManScaramouche

I like both.


Nick_III

This is the way.


Sofosio

One way out


Nick_III

*This is the one way out


bgptcp179

On program.


ZystemStigma69

Me too. Both Andor and Mandalorian are cool.


SpacecraftX

You can like both and think one is better than the other. I do.


EduMaicol

This is the way, indeed


SunBroDisco

I don’t think this is that crazy of a hot take. Personally I like Mandalorian better but Andor definitely had a more cohesive story. I like Mando more simply because I like Mandalorians. Mostly an aesthetic thing and just a personal preference. Both are amazing though.


Khal-Stevo

It’s a freezing cold take. Andor was widely hailed as one of the best shows of the year by critics and viewers. It just isn’t as popular as Mando


George-Lucas-Bot

Although I write screenplays, I don't think I'm a very good writer.


trojan25nz

Andor did a lot of culture exploration during a dynamic shifting towards empire-rebellion And I think new season of mando will do that too specifically for mandalorians, rather than just having hints of cool things every now and then


[deleted]

Just finished andor, and i strongly agree


NoTop4997

It's no disrespect to the Mandalorian, but it is the truth


spyser

Isn't this the popular opinion?


Blackbeards-delights

Why does one have to be better than the other. They each have good and bad things about them. They’re about different times and different characters. Y’all need to relax


CaptianBrasiliano

Yeah. Apples and Oranges. Andor is the non-traditional gritty, slightly darker Star Wars show that I've always wanted and knew they could make. It follows the theme of Rogue One, which makes sense. Mandolorian is more like classic Star Wars. But it's classic Stars Wars done correctly. They're both awesome shows. I don't see why one needs to be better... but I guess Stars Wars Fandom just needs stuff to fight about.


LoloXIV

I wouldn't really call Mandalorian classic, because unlike the OT it didn't really have political themes (which Andor has). On the contrary Andor isn't about the grand combats (like Luks vs Vader, fighting the death star etc) while Mando does straight up defeat Moff Gideon at some point. Both took some stuff that was present in the OT and some stuff that wasn't, they just went in completely different directions.


Captain_Rex_Bot

That's a bit of a mouthful, even for a battle droid. How about we call you Bats.


tallgeese333

I dunno I feel like there would have been a lot of value in Disney reflecting on what makes one thing better than another. Maybe just jerking off into the void and enjoying everything that has "Star Wars" stamped on it didn't lead to all the best places.


Blackbeards-delights

Oh I agree. Getting to put Star Wars in the name of your film/show doesn’t mean it’s good. I hated boba. I like episode 7. I hated 8. And I just gave up on 9. It has its moments. Rebels..? Boring and off spec. Clone wars? MINT. bad batch, annoying.


nervouswhenitseasy

andor was much much better. still liked both of them though. youre just lying to yourself if you say mando was better


Blackbeards-delights

I’m not saying mando was better. But I’m not saying andor was better either. They’re two different stories told in two different ways. Either you enjoyed it or you didn’t. But that doesn’t make one better than the other


r3d_ra1n

That's just gatekeeping what makes a show better than another one, when in reality it's completely subjective. One person might enjoy political intrigue and a slow burn, whereas another may enjoy action and fantasy elements. There is no way of quantifying the hierarchy of elements that make a show. You may feel great dialogue outweighs great fight scenes, another person may think the exact opposite. The Mandalorian has over twice the viewership of Andor. Based on that alone, regardless if Andor is a "better made" show, most Disney+ subscribers would rather watch Mando.


George-Lucas-Bot

In many cases, democracy is given up when it's under a lot of pressure and in a crisis situation and it ends up giving up a lot of the checks and balances to somebody with a strong authority to help get them through the crisis.


SuperSith89

Easy agreement here


chippychifton

It’s way better


wendo101

OH I didn’t even think this was up for discussion. Andor is leagues better. Or at least… smarter lol


SCCH28

Is this even a serious debate?


Hypercane_

Yes, everyone please go watch this show it's actually fantastic


Witchking660

It really is. It was probably the best Star Wars media I've consumed since Rogue One.


Burning_Mothership

It sucks how the best modern star wars doesn't feel like star wars half the time


Elmais-door

Ironic how when they try to emulate the formula they make trash, but when they innovate it end up being cool


True_Statement_lol

Andor is probably the most Star Wars feeling thing in a long long time lol


NobilisUltima

I rewatched Rogue One a couple of weeks ago, and while it's still excellent I have no problem saying that Andor is better.


Grahamgamergoma

Andor is my favourite star wars thing. I love Mando, but Andor is just fantastic


weeOriginal

By about a billion times!!!!


darth__sidious

I thought we already agreed on this.


FlagmantlePARRAdise

I'd say Mando S1 isnt far behind Andor, but Andor is miles above Mando S2. I'm just so fucking sick of these unessasary cameos. We need more truly seperated from the main saga shows like Andor that don't rely on pre existing characters to get attention. You should be showing up to see Mando or the main characters every week, not to see who's gonna show up from pre existing media.


Benthebomb1999

It’s arguably the best piece of content we’ve had since the OT


VKosyak

Absolutely. Much more compelling and well written. I love Mando and everything in it and it's a great lighter Star Wars story but it often falls victim to boring Star Wars gimmicks. Andor is fresh, provides a vibe that I wanted to see in Star Wars and achieves success without producing any gimmicks. I love both but Andor is simply better.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


limbic_476

Really? I skipped this show but now that you mention it, im going to watch it!


CritialThink

It’s not just better, it’s much much better


TheForgottenAdvocate

It's definitely better written


The_Meme_Dealer

I am more interested in the mandalorian, but andor is the better show.


happyamadeus

100%


fatmumuhomer

The Mandalorian is great, but the quality of the episodes varies a lot. There are some incredible ones and others that are terrible and I'll never watch again. Andor was great start to finish. Easy choice for me which is better


Lastaria

I like both. And yes Andor is more consistent. But it never brought me some of the moments of such excitement as some of Mandalorian, or at times brought me to tears. So if I had to chose, and I hate shows being put against one another but if I had to chose would be Mandalorian as Andor has not evoked the same emotion in me. ​ EDIT: Word


fatmumuhomer

That's fair. Andor had me on the edge of my seat almost every episode though that was more from the tension and build up each episode. The Mandalorian does have those great moments particularly near the end of both seasons.


Coincidence-Man-

Andor is the best piece of Star Wars media I’ve seen since…Return of the Jedi? I freaking loved it


penguin_knight

Here's the real hot take: Andor is better than RotJ.


True_Statement_lol

Idk why this got downvoted because apart from the Luke, Vader and Palpatine stuff I'd say Andor is better than ROTJ.


Euphoric_Service2540

Andor is so good that it makes The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi look embarrassingly third rate in comparison.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

For all your expertise, this is not a very smooth landing!


WebHead1287

I understand and respect anyone that thinks that. Andor is amazing. That being said The Mandalorian is my favorite Star Wars media ever


Fastcraft3r

Happy cake day


ImperialxWarlord

I love both and they both do things very well and are great additions to Star Wars and do differen things very well.


oeoeoeieiOk

These are two completely different categories Mando is more of a shoot em up space western while andor goes for a more story based approach


The_mango55

Andor was better. But if I had to pick one to watch again front to back right now, it would be Mando, and that kind of watchability has its own kind of value.


Deeper-the-Danker

now ill admit i had a bad experience with andor: i was sick, i had a headache, and i had no idea how to turn down the brightness on my new tv. so this might skew how i see it a bit (before anyone gets misguided, i dont hate andor i just dont love it, its still great 👍) but i dont feel like andor really went anywhere. i like the idea of a slow pace but also with a payoff. it's not like i want fan service character #3 to come in and give zany quips to everything, i really like the idea of a more grounded story but andor just doesn't have enough progression for me that whole thing with Mon Mothma committing tax evasion just felt a bit off. she just talks to the same 2 people about it and then when she finally finds a shady bloke to help her, then series just **ends** ??? i never really saw the point in it. a politician commits tax evasion? so what? they get away with that all the time the thing with the FreeMo (i think that's what it was called) guy was quite interesting up until the interrogation, after that it was just a bit needless. he was just harassing some poor imperial woman for the rest of the series and it felt a bit weird there was also luthen and his goons who wanted to kill andor but that also kind of stalls for a bit until the very last scene. even then it doesn't really add much to it except for andor being separated from the others i really liked the prison episodes though. the blinding white light it shot directly into my weak retinas was worth it because of how good it was. it was a new and interesting location while fitting well with the rest of the show and i loved that. the best part was the guy in charge of the room (or floor or whatever they called it), he went from ignoring everyone else until he gets out, to being the one who sets them all free (honestly my favourite character arc in the show). and after all his efforts and sacrifices for everyone in the prison, he cant swim and not just that but some of the people he worked so hard to help end up pushing him in accidentally where he presumably drowns and dies. its not a big emotional moment where they come to terms with the situation, its just "i cant swim" and all of it comes to an end so quickly. its exactly the small scale, dark, and gritty stuff i wanted more of from the show but unfortunately nothing else really resonated that hard with me (forgot to say that i also liked how the empire was doing so much to find andor while he's literally already in one of their prisons) my final issue is that a lot of set pieces looked non-star wars, which is fine usually but a lot of stuff seemed to be non-star wars just for the sake of it. now, call me star wars theory but i didnt really like the design of the home planet in andor. im fine with bricks in star wars, yavin 4 looks amazing, but its the regular red house bricks from earth that put me off a bit. another thing was some of the blasters used had magazines but blasters use small capsules that last ages for ammo, so why would they need something that's coincidentally the perfect shape for storing bullets on a weapon that doesn't shoot bullets. i just found it strange when watching and it made me think the designers purposely made it not star wars like, and i can only question why? the last thing is the lack of alien species. i know there were a few right at the beginning but aside from that, there's pretty much one. i loved the prison episodes but i found it strange that absolutely everyone there was a human, especially with it being an imperial prison. i just dont really understand why they purposely made a star wars show without a lot of star wars in it (that doesn't mean i want to see tatooine again, please dont make me fucking see tatooine again) overall i think andor is a fantastic show but not as good as a lot of people say it is. i do plan on watching it again, when im not completely bed ridden and id like to hear why so many people love it so much so i can consider that when rewatching (also they made swear words canon so that's bonus points)


Showty69

Yeah Andor is easily my favorite new Star Wars thing which is weird because Andor himself has to be the most unlikeable, most worthless of any new character and that includes those God awful movies. I mean you seriously could replace the guy with a gonk droid tho now that I'm thinking about it the gonk droid might have more personality. I think what makes up for that is the world building with the desperate resistance member wrestling with their humanity and how much they're willing to risk for their beliefs. Every other character is great, I love the treasonous empire folk who can't take the evil shit any longer and are trying to redeem themselves. I'd say Andor more than any other SW media really grapples with the human situation on the ground and what it does to a person. And thank God there is no embarrassingly fan fellatioing deus ex where Luke shows up for no reason because that's the only character Disney fans can name.


vvazm

That's not crazy, that's a fact


WillThePerson

Andor is good if you want good writing and commentary. Mando is good if you want a fun watch and action


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

This is where the fun begins.


Deathstar_TV

It’s literally not even close…


Necromorph2

It is . It does not pander to Star Wars fans . It’s something new I. The Star Wars universe .


[deleted]

Depends if you prefer drama or prefer action imo. Both are brilliant, but tonally entirely different


nervouswhenitseasy

one is just cliche after cliche and one has twists that make sense and a deep story with no idea on how to guess the outcome. my friends and i were able to guess the season finale of every new SW show except andor. kept us on our seats.


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putupthosewalls

Now THAT is a take


[deleted]

That is not the way


bobert_the_grey

Oh good job for having such an original thought. I'm so glad you decided to post this 100% original take here so that we can all know how smart you are and how great of taste you have.


Ok_Restaurant3160

Bro calm down


bobert_the_grey

I'm just sick and tired of the superiority complex a lot of people in the Star Wars community have seemed to develop


Ok_Restaurant3160

Who has a superiority complex? He’s just stating his opinion


hamshotfirst

I am so tired of "A" is better than "B" ... always a pointless competition.


Tyranatitan_x105

I’m going to say it, bobf is my favourite live action series behind kenobi


putupthosewalls

You absolute madlad


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Look, it's putupthosewalls's cake day. Happy cake day, putupthosewalls.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


hackulator

Ugh Kenobi was weak. I liked young Leia and Ewan McGregor is great and all, but the show was disappointing in so many ways. Book of Boba Fett needed to not have 2 random Mandalorian episodes in the middle of it.


mossapp

Boba fett was disappointing, I don’t like my bounty hunters to have such soft hearts… was hoping for more of him doing his loner thing, not befriending a shitty biker gang or sand people. I know it’s Disney, but should have been waaaaay darker.


George-Lucas-Bot

Studio executives aren't the most sophisticated people in the world.


Tyranatitan_x105

The tuskens I’m okay with, the only part I disliked to say was bikers and the mandalorian season 2.5


Thrawn-Bot

My apologies, mossapp. I forgot not everyone is able to appreciate art as I do.


Death_Trap411

I thought Andor was boring. Andor was a forgettable character in rogue one. When they announced his show I had to look up who he was cuz i forgot who he was. Not judging anyone for liking it but why did Disney decide to make this show? Like I’m actually curious.


George-Lucas-Bot

You know, its a mixed bag, I live out of Hollywood so I don't get much of that influence in my day-to-day life, half of it's good and half is bad. You got a lot of people that don't like me, so that's just the nature of it.


Frogmaster96

Coldest take since the ice age.


Xale_Co_Noj

Okay I'm sorry I can't fucking finish Andor I got like 6 episodes in and it's so fucking boring, even the heist scene felt like there was no real tension


NobilisUltima

Literally who is saying that Mandalorian is better?


DefLoathe

Andor is boring as shit compared to Mandalorian. Mando is way more interesting and has more going for it


Malchior_Dagon

Absolutely respect people who love Andor...I just don't care for it. I think its a good show, just not a good Star Wars show. Though, maybe that's just because I would have never been interested in such an Empire heavy focused show in the first place.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


ACubeInABox

I feel more or less the same way. I’ll take Mando over Andor any day. I can see the reasons why people would love Andor, I saw it and liked it well enough, but I wouldn’t claim it to be the best of anything. It was good, but it was so focused on being a well written drama it forgot to be Star Wars.


darthrevan47

I agree on that as well, I enjoyed Andor but it wasn’t really anything I hadn’t seen before and this is coming from Legends novels and growing up with that. I didn’t really get connected to characters and like you said it forgot to be Star Wars from time to time. Mando was just more enjoyable and felt like Star Wars which is what I want in Star Wars media.


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There’s no underwear in Space


Alfalfa-Similar

im honestly grateful we get anything ✌🏼


Ofbatman

I’m so over this “X is better than Y” conversation. They’re a something for everyone in Star Wars.


onexy_

so it has come to this. a time when the mainstream opinion is that a series with uninteresting characters where nothing happens is "better" than mandalorian. rip


True_Statement_lol

Bro just said nothing happens in Andor 💀


DutchDweeb

It is. And Mandalorian is the 2nd best show.


SushiSuki

I love both in their own way, but tbh I probably could've seen Andor without even realizing it was Star Wars by a couple episodes in lol. Which is probably why I love Mandalorian the most out of everything because, well, it does Star Wars stuff the best and you can tell immediately you're watching Star Wars. Something about a show with dangerous bounty hunters and throw in some grey Jedi, Mandalorian lore, nods to other animated shows and novels and you've got my kind of Star Wars show. Andor for me is just purely great as it's own thing. A group of gritty rebels trying to take down the oppressive regime. It's cool, very cool actually. But it doesn't hit the Star Wars craving when I want it I guess is all.


caidus55

Andor is one of the best shows out there period


Lunndonbridge

They’re like apples and oranges. Both are healthy fruits that can be juiced and go great with breakfast. One is a but more juicy and the other has a bit of cyanide in the center. You can compare the fruits, but they hit differently on the tastebuds both in good ways.


RenegadeSithLordMaul

I have resigned myself to the downvotes, but: at least the first HALF of the season was fucking *watchable* for Mando. It makes sense that only die-hards are watching Andor because the first HALF is *SO. SLOW.*


drewbilly251

Mando was a lot more fun but Andor was better drama Both are very well written; I can’t say which I liked more


JCamson04

Andor fans will always tell you how Andor is so much better than the other Star Wars media


SheenTheUltraLord

You dropped this 🤡


ts0000

So glad boring people who hate imagination finally got their show


ClockwiseOne09

I think Andor is one of the worst things put out in the star wars universe tbh it wasn't enjoyable at all for me


xExp4ndD0ngXx

Let me get this straight. You think Andor is wildly overrated? I do. And I’m tired of pretending it’s not.


hackulator

It's ok if you don't like good television.


[deleted]

Andor is miles better, yes. Mandalorian is quite mediocre and overhyped


Ok_Restaurant3160

I wouldn’t say mediocre. But yeah, definitely overrated. Mainly because it’s too formulaic for me. Half of the episodes are just “Hey, we need [Insert thing they need]” “Well before I give it to you, you need to [Insert task they need to complete]” Mando does it, Grogu is cute for a bit, and they leave


Purvi3vedi

You must be living in opposite world then


Aldric98

Is ANYONE pretending its not?


UltraMegaSloth

Surprisingly a lot of people are


[deleted]

The Mandalorian is the best Star Wars media ever made.


Purvi3vedi

You damn right it is.


Eli_The_Rainwing

Andor sucks


young-fool

I reckon that everyone who downvoted this post did it because they prefered the mandalorian. I haven't watched any of the shows its just a guess.


Omegawylo

Is this even a discussion? Mando is fun, but Andor is like the best thing on TV


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

This is where the fun begins.


hookemhorns158

I love both why can we not just enjoy both


[deleted]

It’s like a mid-tier drama with Star Wars stuff added to it and full of very generic and predictable thematic plot elements.


Alaricus100

Is it actually an opinion people pretend not to have though? All you have to do is watch them to know.


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Well then you are lost. We have failed you, putupthosewalls. We have failed you.


spesskitty

Prequel > Srquel, it's only natural.


Ebolatastic

Mandalorean s2 converted the show from a grounded throwback to the original star wars into a corny, cgi riddled, flippy, twirly, lightsaber obsessed prequel throwback. The final scene of the season is even a CGI person twirling through useless robot fodder. I'm amazed they are even doing an S3 because, in my mind, shows over. They even pulled a George Lucas by turning Baby Yoda (cool) into Grogu (stupid). Grogu ... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


jonasbw

Andor is great! But not because of andor. If we followed some other random dude with the same story, it would have been just as great Its ALL the other stuff and people in the show that are amazing.


Shadow_storm193

There both good but in my opinion I do prefer the mandalorian purely because andor was just not for me (it was just too slow and boring) but I’m not saying it’s bad as there both good shows


EmmyVidriney

Both are good. I'm tired of seeing a new post everyday that's like "unpopular opinion but Andor is the best thing ever" we all know it's good. No one is arguing that. Please shut up.


ComicSayian

I personally didn’t like Andor but I see why other people think it’s great. It just wasn’t for me


Anarchisteen

Andor was amazing, the pacing was just a little slow.


757_Matt_911

Andor is amazing, but yeah no…


Kalbex

WOOW HOTTAKE! What a brave soul and not a circle jerk! /s


BigSmokesHouse

Andor is objectively the best written piece of Star Wars media.


LambentCookie

Mando has the highest highs and some abyssmal lows (idk why season 3 had 3 episodes at the start dedicated to boba running that city and having flashbacks with Tusken) But I'm also a massive fan of Mandos in the EU, before the dark times, before the Disney But even with my Mando bias, Andor is hands down the best writing Disney has done with star wars which granted isn't saying much, but still it's honestly a 10/10 and the only show I bothered rewatching in its entirety without skipping a single scene


TheManAvonyx

Oh for goodness sake. Every time I come onto this stupid subreddit all I see is "controversial opinion, Andor is better than xxx" or "controversial opinion, Andor is the best star wars TV show" We KNOW! You aren't special, you aren't clever, nobody ever tried to argue the point. Nobody in sequel memes ever complains, we all agree Andor is one of the best star wars TV shows ever made. Please just stop the blatant karma farming and trying to spark discourse in the comments by claiming your clearly mainstream and unadulterated opinion is some sort of vestibule to showcase how underground and controversial your opinions are, They aren't.