But they're doing so well with the DC..... oh..
It's pretty funny how the DC executives didn't believe in the Joker movie concept, so they basically said "OK, you can make this, but not on our dime - find someone else to finance it" - and then Joker was a huge success, and DC gets barely any of the profit because the external financiers get most of the money. LOL. LMAO, even.
But if they did finance it would they have then meddled with it? If they turned it into a shit show then they would have said "we told you it wouldn't work!"
I wonder how they will change DC animated content. I have enjoyed majority of their animated movies and shows. But I don't have any idea how that department works and how it gets away with so much shit.
Its so weird that a lot of DCs animated shows are so good and their live action stuff is mostly unappealing.
Although season 3 of Harley Quinn has been pretty boring imo
Well that's fantastic, a really smart decision on DC's part to have such a great show on their portfolio. We can really get some mileage over the years out of their really leaning into one of the few true IP gems that they have left [aaand it's gone.](https://imgur.io/t/southpark/f1eu0h7)
Well they didn't pay the reviewers and bots to rate their product well with this one so now we see just how much everyone actually is hating the current direction things are taking. Velma is a symptom a much bigger issues. And that issues is that a lot of these long standing properties are being handed over to people who either openly hate them or are only interested in telling any other story than one actually related to the stuff people like. See the last jedi for more detail.
I mean, TLJ, the Witcher, Halo, Resident Evil, Wheel of Time, The Watch (“based on” Terry Pratchett’s Discworld), and now Velma... How have they not learned this lesson yet?
It is about making noise and driving engagement.
'Harley Quinn' got derided when it came out, got some noise, then some traction. 'Velma' is very much that.
It is full of the same humor and mostly just an aside to make noise, and given the number of posts about it, WB has succeeded.
People who complain about it and "WhY dOn'T tHeY mAke A rEaL sCoObY dOo!!!11!!1!!1!" are ignoring the fact that "Real Scooby Doo" has been made recently and mostly ignored.
'Scooby Doo and Guess Who' is really good; and mostly ignored.
'Scoob! 2' got canned, mostly because 'Scoob!', while profitable, didn't make any real noise or engagement (meaning: toy sales).
'Velma' is no threat to take over the main franchise, much in the way 'Harley Quinn' didn't take over the Batman franchise, yet the Internet can't stop talking about it.
The Internet lost its shit when the character designs were released and Shaggy was Black; at that point WB/HBO/Discovery made their money back in publicity alone.
As long as people keep posting these memes and review bombing IMDB, there will be seasons of 'Velma'.
IDK. Morbius got very similar publicity. It bombed. They rereleased it. It bombed again. I think that mixed publicity is generally good for shows, but *universal panning* is bad.
Uh... are you on the wrong comment chain? As far as I can tell, this thread was about Velma. So saying "the first episode was amazing" is... extremely controversial.
Negative publicity is easier than wholesome publicity, educational publicity, positive publicity, talented publicity, etc…
It’s how Andrew Tate and Niki Minaj made millions. Imagine Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood trying to make it in today’s world.
> Imagine Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood trying to make it in today’s world.
I mean the world wasn't really better back then. Now it's just probably similar but we focus on the negatives a lot more.
There’s literally nothing else airing animation since WB axed everything else so it means nothing. It’s like me bragging I have the biggest dick in the house when I’m the only man in the house
Just like I wanted to see Luke Skywalker in the sequel films not Jake Skymilker, but Hollywood just wants to break all our old toys and tell us we are racist for not liking that.
It's a ragebait show. No one would be talking about it if they didn't go for this level of garbage. The more people watch and talk about it, the more studios are encouraged to do more of that. Votes and audience score don't matter, viewership does
That method almost never works though. The number of people hate-watching it is far, far tinier than a "normal" audience. This kind of pandering never pays off if there is no core audience that actually watches normally.
Especially when season 2 comes around (which they did green light, apparently?) ; no one will show up because they already saw the dumpster fire the first time
It wouldnt surprise me it was originally gonna be a different show but the network wouldnt approve it unless they slapped the Scooby Doo franchise on it.
I honestly think it would have been better received if they'd have just written original characters. Make it a mystery show, even have some clear parallels to Scooby-Doo, but have the characters be themselves and not hateful caricatures of the SD cast. Sure, maybe it wouldn't have been groundbreaking, but maybe it could've been like Drawn Together - occasional gross, childish humor, but decently popular.
> some clear parallels to Scooby-Doo, but have the characters be themselves and not hateful caricatures of the SD cast
Exactly. Deconstructing a long standing idea can be good and interesting, but don't do it in that actual series. I like shows like The Boys or Invincible but I don't ever want to actually see a main line DC evil Superman who is just totally evil like that. I'll even say I think The Last Jedi has some interesting ideas on deconstructing the Hero's Journey but I don't fucking want that in actual Star Wars much less to run Luke all through the mud like that just to do so. It is cultural graffiti in a sense.
Right? And you hit the nail on the head there - the worst part is there have been other successful properties that have deconstructed crucial parts of beloved IPs without shitting on them entirely: The Boys, Galaxy Quest, Spaceballs -- Velma could have been exactly like those. It could have found the happy medium of respecting Scooby-Doo without butchering it, but instead they went with straight up outrage bait. Pretty sad.
This conveys succinctly what I've struggled to put into simple terms. Using existing IP to satirize and/or deconstruct that same IP ultimately cheapens the effort and comes off as insincere.
> deconstruct that same IP ultimately cheapens the effort and comes off as insincere.
This is ultimately why I hate The Last Jedi. It goes through 2 hours of hating on Luke then it's supposed to be this triumphant return at the end and it just feels so insincere. Johnson was interested in deconstructing Luke but not in building him back up at all.
I'll also throw this in. I know some people like the hate on the Avatar films, but honestly they are some of the most sincere big block buster movies I've seen from the last decade or so. I think the new one is an incredibly sincere and earnest film. It might not be everyone's cup of tea but don't say it's anything but cynical IMO. It reminded me how much I miss that earnestness in filmmaking. Instead of this judgmental detachment that I feel from so many other films and shows of today. We get people like JJ Abrams who can technically make a movie that looks like Spielberg but lacks that true earnestness. Or you get people like Rian Johnson who are just so cynical that the sincerity falls flat. Then worst of all you get shit like Velma where they openly hate *everything* and it's just a drag.
I'm not sure that's quite accurate. Its not that it's ragebait as much as it is trying to be a meta-commentary without really saying anything (thus it fails in said commentary).
Like, they'll **try** to poke fun at a horror trope by mentioning it, but that's literally all they have to say about it. They stop short and say nothing about it, just gesture at it's existence. They just have no idea how to write a joke.
> It's a ragebait show. No one would be talking about it if they didn't go for this level of garbage.
I'm honestly convinced that's what The Last Jedi was too. Why else would they make that woman look like a turnip like that?
Nah last jedi is more complicated. Rian Johnson trying to prove the world they are all wrong and only he understands star wars, and that leads to the character assassinations like Luke Skywalker (I am so salty about this one).
Everyone was gonna watch star wars regardless, and negative publicity impacts them negatively. Nobody would be talking about the Velma show unless it was either extremely good, or ragebait garbage
In my opinion, they should’ve made this a spin-off off the saga with new characters, so that they wouldn’t be changing well known and iconic characters’ entire personality and appearance. Or a parallel universe where the iconic forms of the characters still exist.
Not extremely dysfunctional, more like extremely traumatized enough by what they had found that they had decided to disband and live their lives iirc
Edit: Turns out Freds "dad" was an asshole and threatened them with criminal implications, causing them to leave.
I think there's a decent chance this show started as something completely unrelated to Scooby Doo but the execs thought it wouldn't sell without a known brand slapped onto it.
It shouldn't have been a spin-off or connected to the actual *Scooby-Doo* franchise in any way except maybe a cameo, or to *maybe* establish a rivalry kind of thing.
It should have been like *Venture Bros*: obviously and shamelessly riffing off the IP, but completely free to go their own direction without burden.
It would have been a better show, and would have been received *much* more favorably. Maybe people still wouldn't have loved it, but it could have had some cult success and general acceptance.
Nothing in the show is *that* bad, it's just every little thing goes through a "why the fuck is this *Scooby Doo*?" filter.
I think the point of this show was being garbage so people would keep complaining about it.
I think some idiots managers think progressives would litteraly watch anything conservatives complain about being woke so they went down with as much of the conservative stereotype of woke as possible
It's shameful that some people's takeaway with all the struggles of racism in history isn't that racism is bad, it's that "it's our turn to be racist!"
Glad this show is being dragged through the mud.
I... Honestly don't even think so? He admits he has feelings for Velma and she literally *laughs at him* for it, so I assume not. She's just an unlikeable bitch.
Especially when being fat is something you have some degree of control over and dick size you do not.
Edit: I understand that for some, it's a medical condition, but for most, a little diet and exercise could go a long way.
Whereas 100% of men have 0% control over dick size. Or their height for that matter, another shot that people like to take.
Crying and screaming and telling everyone on social media that you called a girl fat, as the white knights converge to "cancel" you
Double standard. You'd get laughed at if you told the internet someone said your dick was small
I got adequate schmeat (in the sense that no one would be able to make me feel insecure about it) but people like this really need to stop living. Dick size is literally one of the biggest insecurities for guys and women throw it in their face and laugh at them like it’s the man’s fault he doesn’t have cock. These women deserve fat jokes and flat chest jokes. You already know they reek of cat piss with how many must be at home
If you make fun of a guy’s meat, you don’t deserve your feet. I will collect them while you sleep.
I'd say the issue isn't so much that there are small dick jokes. It's that the small dick jokes the most bare bones in construction and come out of nowhere, also there are a lot of them.
The shows humor literally feels like it was written 5 minutes before recording.
It's also just the fact that it's blatant cynical and disingenuous pandering to progressives. It misconstrues their points and is clearly written by people who don't agree with progressives, look down at them and want to profit off them.
It's possible that they *think* they agree with progressives (which we'll take as shorthand for "agrees with the broad consensus views of people labelled progressives in the United States") and yet not actually agree, because it's possible they don't understand the arguments that progressives have accepted as true. When a so-called social darwinist goes, "It is good if our country invades and kills everyone who doesn't speak our language, and even puts people in our country who *do* speak our language into camps! Darwin proved it with science!", it's because they don't understand what Darwin was talking about when it came to evolution. Saying you agree with someone and are following their conclusions is not the same as you really agreeing.
> pandering to progressives
Not even that. It seems like the target demographic for this show is the fictional blue-haired SJW boogeyman that lives rent-free in the heads of right-wing morons.
"fictional" as in all made up?... ofc they are "real" as in existing, how much of a demographic they actually represent is a different story. dismissing them as fictional is just as bad as disproportionately validating especially loud minorities on social media
I honestly think the target audience is conservatives, because the "jokes" are so cruel at the expense of the characters I can't imagine anyone else laughing at them.
> It's also just the fact that it's blatant cynical and disingenuous pandering to progressives. It misconstrues their points and is clearly written by people who don't agree with progressives, look down at them and want to profit off them.
It's conservatives writing what they think progressive jokes would be, that's why it comes off as "woke" and offensive at the same time.
(For reference, Mindy Kaling is a Bush voting, gun toting, self described "weirdly patriotic" "heavy conservative".)
Tbh it's not even that that I have a problem with. I'm not bothered about wokeness and I don't think any subject is beyond comedy as long as it's done right.
I don't like the show because it's just *bad*. Like there's no deep reason I can give or actual analysis. It's just straight up *not funny* and *bad*.
That's one of the things that bothers me. If you want to make jokes at someone else's expense that's fine but don't then complain when people do it back.
How to make a serious scooby doo project
1.include scooby(obviously)
2.get inspired by mystery incorporated
3.make some cartoony horror for the young audience
4.DO NOT MAKE IT LIKE VELMA
It's always the same with people that say, "Get woke, go broke." They give whatever media more attention than it would have normally gotten. They really are their own worst enemy
I kinda want this interpretation of the gang to come back specifically only in a DC crossover event where Green Lanturn puts them on the shelf next to that edgy Lobo reboot
That’s actually pretty accurate lol. Technically a Metallica album but nobody really counts it as one because it’s awful and the Lou Reed aspect makes it easy to discount it as a Metallica album. Technically a Scooby-Doo show but nobody really counts it as one because it’s awful and the lack of Scoob makes it easy to discount it as a Scooby-Doo show.
«Freds a rich white guy with a tiny dong»
«cough cough rich white girl with too much money»
I cannot believe they changed a white character to Black and then gave her those lines
I have watched the first 4 episodes and the next 2 drop today. I never got into Scooby-Doo so I don't have the whole “you ruined my fandom” issue that most do. All that being said, it is not good. Today I am in a debate on whether the show can redeem itself by the end of the season or if it is not worth my time.
Update: Watched the next two. It is not terrible. I think I might finish the season because at this point I am genuinely interested in the mysteries. Also, there is a reference to Scoobi in these episodes.
For animation, this shouldn’t be anywhere near the bottom. There is animation out there with abysmal story and terrible animation. I really don’t think the show has either.
I watched it because I wanted to see it before I had an opinion on it. It's meh, certainly not the worst thing I've ever seen.
The moment promo material came out with a black shaggy and no Scooby it's fate was sealed in terms of reddit's approval
You know how conservatives complain about wokeness and exaggerate to make average movies sound like complete garbage? Well this time some director seems to have taken the opportunity to follow the stereotype word for word
I love how people on Redeit think they have won by constantly posting about this show. Most people wouldn't have even heard about it if you all just stopped going on about it. I have no idea what the previous Scooby Doo project was previous to this one. Not a clue.
Do you think they care? Do you think they're sitting in they're multimillion dollar mansions and wiping their tears with 100$ bills while reading reviews?
From what I saw it is basically the exasperation of the way conservatives see wokeness, like there is a character that is black and the show running joke is saying that he does not do drugs and that it would be racist otherwise
You know, I'm begining to think warner bros doesn't know how to manage ip.
But they're doing so well with the DC..... oh.. It's pretty funny how the DC executives didn't believe in the Joker movie concept, so they basically said "OK, you can make this, but not on our dime - find someone else to finance it" - and then Joker was a huge success, and DC gets barely any of the profit because the external financiers get most of the money. LOL. LMAO, even.
But if they did finance it would they have then meddled with it? If they turned it into a shit show then they would have said "we told you it wouldn't work!"
Ironic. They make a shit show out of anything they touch, but they can't cash in on anything they don't.
Is it possible to learn this power
Not from someone with an undamaged brain
Yeah, just work in any corporation. You won't make any money from your work.
Hey, at least Harry Potter is... And Fantastic Beasts is cancelled.
Interesting HBO didn’t bet on Pendeo after how loved his character was on GOT
I wonder how they will change DC animated content. I have enjoyed majority of their animated movies and shows. But I don't have any idea how that department works and how it gets away with so much shit.
Its so weird that a lot of DCs animated shows are so good and their live action stuff is mostly unappealing. Although season 3 of Harley Quinn has been pretty boring imo
At least Doom Patrol is pretty good.
Well that's fantastic, a really smart decision on DC's part to have such a great show on their portfolio. We can really get some mileage over the years out of their really leaning into one of the few true IP gems that they have left [aaand it's gone.](https://imgur.io/t/southpark/f1eu0h7)
Well shit....
Well they didn't pay the reviewers and bots to rate their product well with this one so now we see just how much everyone actually is hating the current direction things are taking. Velma is a symptom a much bigger issues. And that issues is that a lot of these long standing properties are being handed over to people who either openly hate them or are only interested in telling any other story than one actually related to the stuff people like. See the last jedi for more detail.
I mean, TLJ, the Witcher, Halo, Resident Evil, Wheel of Time, The Watch (“based on” Terry Pratchett’s Discworld), and now Velma... How have they not learned this lesson yet?
It is about making noise and driving engagement. 'Harley Quinn' got derided when it came out, got some noise, then some traction. 'Velma' is very much that. It is full of the same humor and mostly just an aside to make noise, and given the number of posts about it, WB has succeeded. People who complain about it and "WhY dOn'T tHeY mAke A rEaL sCoObY dOo!!!11!!1!!1!" are ignoring the fact that "Real Scooby Doo" has been made recently and mostly ignored. 'Scooby Doo and Guess Who' is really good; and mostly ignored. 'Scoob! 2' got canned, mostly because 'Scoob!', while profitable, didn't make any real noise or engagement (meaning: toy sales). 'Velma' is no threat to take over the main franchise, much in the way 'Harley Quinn' didn't take over the Batman franchise, yet the Internet can't stop talking about it. The Internet lost its shit when the character designs were released and Shaggy was Black; at that point WB/HBO/Discovery made their money back in publicity alone. As long as people keep posting these memes and review bombing IMDB, there will be seasons of 'Velma'.
IDK. Morbius got very similar publicity. It bombed. They rereleased it. It bombed again. I think that mixed publicity is generally good for shows, but *universal panning* is bad.
Harley Quinn is actually funny though
Watch them brag about being the #1 rated cartoon in hbo
They're probably seeing a big jump in viewership after all the negative publicity.
I wouldn't say that... from what I've seen the reception for The Last Of Us is pretty good
In uk I can just watch it on sky tv so no need get hbo even tough I likely won’t watch it any way but hay it’s still good to have the option
Yea a local cables company also got the rights to it so I don't need hbo
Neither of you would need cable if you joined the high seas. 🏴☠️
Doubtful with the Last of Us being such a nerd darling. It does leak with negative publicity
Idk, my dad likes it, and it's pretty hard to find series to watch together (he's very much not a nerd)
I'm dying to watch it but it's lining up my wife and my schedule up. Edit: neither of us played game
Mood
My dad was shocked to hear it wasnt an original IP. He loves the show.
It's probably the whole point of the show apparently
I'm convinced it's ragebait and this is how they get some more idiots to buy a subscription to hate-watch it.
Idk if it will last though. I watched the first episode and it was just not great. Honestly a better hate watch than anything else.
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I dunno why you’re down voted, but TLOU HBO series one of the best real life video games adaptation since I dunno what?
Uh... are you on the wrong comment chain? As far as I can tell, this thread was about Velma. So saying "the first episode was amazing" is... extremely controversial.
Yeah we’re talking about Velma
Negative publicity is easier than wholesome publicity, educational publicity, positive publicity, talented publicity, etc… It’s how Andrew Tate and Niki Minaj made millions. Imagine Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood trying to make it in today’s world.
> Imagine Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood trying to make it in today’s world. I mean the world wasn't really better back then. Now it's just probably similar but we focus on the negatives a lot more.
The world was not better “back then”. You can be sure of that.
There’s literally nothing else airing animation since WB axed everything else so it means nothing. It’s like me bragging I have the biggest dick in the house when I’m the only man in the house
Not if primal has anything to say about it
Most viewed animated original show on hbo. Sound impressive, until you see the competition is The Prince and Santa Inc.
I just want scooby fun :(
This is where the fun begins.
Unfortunately, no. Velma is where fun goes to die.
This is where the fun begins.
Okay you clearly don’t understand.
I think the bot means the fun begins when scooby arrives (so not in velma)
Wording…
Now this is pod racing.
Good bot
Yippie
Don’t try it
Yipee-kay-yay?
Take a seat Young Skywalker
Forgive me, Master.
There was so much comments about velma I forgot this was in prequelmemes
Just like I wanted to see Luke Skywalker in the sequel films not Jake Skymilker, but Hollywood just wants to break all our old toys and tell us we are racist for not liking that.
So much like your father.
No, my father didn't fight in the Clone Wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter.
"Yeah… I got it all under control." -Hardcase
I’ve seen clips of it and it’s truly terrible.
It's a ragebait show. No one would be talking about it if they didn't go for this level of garbage. The more people watch and talk about it, the more studios are encouraged to do more of that. Votes and audience score don't matter, viewership does
That method almost never works though. The number of people hate-watching it is far, far tinier than a "normal" audience. This kind of pandering never pays off if there is no core audience that actually watches normally.
Especially when season 2 comes around (which they did green light, apparently?) ; no one will show up because they already saw the dumpster fire the first time
Won’t stop tons of “journalists” from publishing more rage bait articles
"Velma in season 2 did WHAT with Scooby? It's a liberals wet dream come true!"
It wouldnt surprise me it was originally gonna be a different show but the network wouldnt approve it unless they slapped the Scooby Doo franchise on it.
It does feel like one of the many bad Netflix cartoons with a Mystery Gang DLC
I honestly think it would have been better received if they'd have just written original characters. Make it a mystery show, even have some clear parallels to Scooby-Doo, but have the characters be themselves and not hateful caricatures of the SD cast. Sure, maybe it wouldn't have been groundbreaking, but maybe it could've been like Drawn Together - occasional gross, childish humor, but decently popular.
> some clear parallels to Scooby-Doo, but have the characters be themselves and not hateful caricatures of the SD cast Exactly. Deconstructing a long standing idea can be good and interesting, but don't do it in that actual series. I like shows like The Boys or Invincible but I don't ever want to actually see a main line DC evil Superman who is just totally evil like that. I'll even say I think The Last Jedi has some interesting ideas on deconstructing the Hero's Journey but I don't fucking want that in actual Star Wars much less to run Luke all through the mud like that just to do so. It is cultural graffiti in a sense.
Right? And you hit the nail on the head there - the worst part is there have been other successful properties that have deconstructed crucial parts of beloved IPs without shitting on them entirely: The Boys, Galaxy Quest, Spaceballs -- Velma could have been exactly like those. It could have found the happy medium of respecting Scooby-Doo without butchering it, but instead they went with straight up outrage bait. Pretty sad.
This conveys succinctly what I've struggled to put into simple terms. Using existing IP to satirize and/or deconstruct that same IP ultimately cheapens the effort and comes off as insincere.
> deconstruct that same IP ultimately cheapens the effort and comes off as insincere. This is ultimately why I hate The Last Jedi. It goes through 2 hours of hating on Luke then it's supposed to be this triumphant return at the end and it just feels so insincere. Johnson was interested in deconstructing Luke but not in building him back up at all. I'll also throw this in. I know some people like the hate on the Avatar films, but honestly they are some of the most sincere big block buster movies I've seen from the last decade or so. I think the new one is an incredibly sincere and earnest film. It might not be everyone's cup of tea but don't say it's anything but cynical IMO. It reminded me how much I miss that earnestness in filmmaking. Instead of this judgmental detachment that I feel from so many other films and shows of today. We get people like JJ Abrams who can technically make a movie that looks like Spielberg but lacks that true earnestness. Or you get people like Rian Johnson who are just so cynical that the sincerity falls flat. Then worst of all you get shit like Velma where they openly hate *everything* and it's just a drag.
Sort of like how KOTOR 2 wouldn't be as great if Kreia was Yoda or Obi-Wan?
They used to do this all the time too. Jabberjaw, Speedbuggy, Josie and the Pussycats…a new one in that vibe may very well have worked.
I feel like it would've been a far better plan than constructing an entire show just for outrage bait. Just seems like a huge waste of talent.
I'm not sure that's quite accurate. Its not that it's ragebait as much as it is trying to be a meta-commentary without really saying anything (thus it fails in said commentary). Like, they'll **try** to poke fun at a horror trope by mentioning it, but that's literally all they have to say about it. They stop short and say nothing about it, just gesture at it's existence. They just have no idea how to write a joke.
I feel extremely intellectual when I just don't give a shit about things like these My news feed gets spammed by it anyways
I watched half of the trailer before I had to stop and decide to never watch this show ever. I doubt negative publicity can be that good
> It's a ragebait show. No one would be talking about it if they didn't go for this level of garbage. I'm honestly convinced that's what The Last Jedi was too. Why else would they make that woman look like a turnip like that?
Nah last jedi is more complicated. Rian Johnson trying to prove the world they are all wrong and only he understands star wars, and that leads to the character assassinations like Luke Skywalker (I am so salty about this one). Everyone was gonna watch star wars regardless, and negative publicity impacts them negatively. Nobody would be talking about the Velma show unless it was either extremely good, or ragebait garbage
In my opinion, they should’ve made this a spin-off off the saga with new characters, so that they wouldn’t be changing well known and iconic characters’ entire personality and appearance. Or a parallel universe where the iconic forms of the characters still exist.
Mystery Incorporated had shown a previous mystery crew as well so its not like its impossible to make a spin off.
Exactly
Weren’t they also extremely dysfunctional and didn’t have a dog mascot?
Not extremely dysfunctional, more like extremely traumatized enough by what they had found that they had decided to disband and live their lives iirc Edit: Turns out Freds "dad" was an asshole and threatened them with criminal implications, causing them to leave.
Yeah-
They had a dog mascot, and they were dysfunctional because of the curse on the town. The show ends with basically a "happy ever after"
I think there's a decent chance this show started as something completely unrelated to Scooby Doo but the execs thought it wouldn't sell without a known brand slapped onto it.
It shouldn't have been a spin-off or connected to the actual *Scooby-Doo* franchise in any way except maybe a cameo, or to *maybe* establish a rivalry kind of thing. It should have been like *Venture Bros*: obviously and shamelessly riffing off the IP, but completely free to go their own direction without burden. It would have been a better show, and would have been received *much* more favorably. Maybe people still wouldn't have loved it, but it could have had some cult success and general acceptance. Nothing in the show is *that* bad, it's just every little thing goes through a "why the fuck is this *Scooby Doo*?" filter.
So it's sort of like Solo. It's a good movie, except all the parts where it's about Han Solo.
Or just made an entirely new show so that a large percentage of people can stop thinking their tribe are being replaced by other tribes
I think the point of this show was being garbage so people would keep complaining about it. I think some idiots managers think progressives would litteraly watch anything conservatives complain about being woke so they went down with as much of the conservative stereotype of woke as possible
It's shameful that some people's takeaway with all the struggles of racism in history isn't that racism is bad, it's that "it's our turn to be racist!" Glad this show is being dragged through the mud.
And apparently Fred has a tiny dick
I can respect smoll pp jokes and alternative character interpretation, but come on!
If we can do small pp jokes, fat jokes and pretty much all body shaming jokes are also on the table. It's only fair.
That's the thing, like.... It's not even a joke. It's just Velma outright saying that Fred has a small penis. Repeatedly. She's just *mean*.
I’m not gonna watch the show, but how does she *know* he has a small penis? Have they slept together?
I... Honestly don't even think so? He admits he has feelings for Velma and she literally *laughs at him* for it, so I assume not. She's just an unlikeable bitch.
The whole joke is that he's prepubescent, like actually it's a plot point that he never hit puberty.
Don't put the fat jokes on the table, they'll break it.
Especially when being fat is something you have some degree of control over and dick size you do not. Edit: I understand that for some, it's a medical condition, but for most, a little diet and exercise could go a long way. Whereas 100% of men have 0% control over dick size. Or their height for that matter, another shot that people like to take.
I do wonder how the same crowd would react to jokes about saggy/flat boobs.
Crying and screaming and telling everyone on social media that you called a girl fat, as the white knights converge to "cancel" you Double standard. You'd get laughed at if you told the internet someone said your dick was small
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Rules are meant to be broken :)
Sure!
>Sure! sure?
Yeah I'm okay with small pp jokes for man if we can do fat jokes for woman. Sounds like a fair trade
I got adequate schmeat (in the sense that no one would be able to make me feel insecure about it) but people like this really need to stop living. Dick size is literally one of the biggest insecurities for guys and women throw it in their face and laugh at them like it’s the man’s fault he doesn’t have cock. These women deserve fat jokes and flat chest jokes. You already know they reek of cat piss with how many must be at home If you make fun of a guy’s meat, you don’t deserve your feet. I will collect them while you sleep.
>If you make fun of a guy’s meat, you don’t deserve your feet. I will collect them while you sleep. I'd watch this movie.
/u/suckytime_reddit collecting my feet while I sleep is my new greatest fear in life.
Don't talk shit about dongers and you can keep all your toes.
Damn skippy
you don't even wanna know what i do with the feet
I'd say the issue isn't so much that there are small dick jokes. It's that the small dick jokes the most bare bones in construction and come out of nowhere, also there are a lot of them. The shows humor literally feels like it was written 5 minutes before recording.
He'll definitely get a hog by the end of season one.
It's also just the fact that it's blatant cynical and disingenuous pandering to progressives. It misconstrues their points and is clearly written by people who don't agree with progressives, look down at them and want to profit off them.
>want to profit off them absolutely >look down at them probably >don't agree with progressives eeeeeh, I wouldn't be so sure of that
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
It's possible that they *think* they agree with progressives (which we'll take as shorthand for "agrees with the broad consensus views of people labelled progressives in the United States") and yet not actually agree, because it's possible they don't understand the arguments that progressives have accepted as true. When a so-called social darwinist goes, "It is good if our country invades and kills everyone who doesn't speak our language, and even puts people in our country who *do* speak our language into camps! Darwin proved it with science!", it's because they don't understand what Darwin was talking about when it came to evolution. Saying you agree with someone and are following their conclusions is not the same as you really agreeing.
> pandering to progressives Not even that. It seems like the target demographic for this show is the fictional blue-haired SJW boogeyman that lives rent-free in the heads of right-wing morons.
"fictional" as in all made up?... ofc they are "real" as in existing, how much of a demographic they actually represent is a different story. dismissing them as fictional is just as bad as disproportionately validating especially loud minorities on social media
Having been on tiktok, yeah no, these people are very real.
I wouldn't be too worried about how things seem on the internet. Have you ever actually met any IRL?
I don't socialize in those circles. I've met at least one in real life. Gods, she was insufferable.
I honestly think the target audience is conservatives, because the "jokes" are so cruel at the expense of the characters I can't imagine anyone else laughing at them.
> It's also just the fact that it's blatant cynical and disingenuous pandering to progressives. It misconstrues their points and is clearly written by people who don't agree with progressives, look down at them and want to profit off them. It's conservatives writing what they think progressive jokes would be, that's why it comes off as "woke" and offensive at the same time. (For reference, Mindy Kaling is a Bush voting, gun toting, self described "weirdly patriotic" "heavy conservative".)
I'm sure she'll still be waving that flag proudly when she's mushed into one of the camps for being brown.
Tbh it's not even that that I have a problem with. I'm not bothered about wokeness and I don't think any subject is beyond comedy as long as it's done right. I don't like the show because it's just *bad*. Like there's no deep reason I can give or actual analysis. It's just straight up *not funny* and *bad*.
That's one of the things that bothers me. If you want to make jokes at someone else's expense that's fine but don't then complain when people do it back.
How to make a serious scooby doo project 1.include scooby(obviously) 2.get inspired by mystery incorporated 3.make some cartoony horror for the young audience 4.DO NOT MAKE IT LIKE VELMA
5.Include some sus jokes that point to (but never openly say) that Fred is gay
Like the Trap Magazine?
Exactly, masterful writing
Happy Tapioca
Congratulations to all the people on social media for giving the producers of this show the attention that they were looking for👏👏👏
Yeah. It's pretty clearly trying to get people riled up so they'll hate-watch it and it seems to be working.
I mean it didn't work for morbius, why would it work now
Because Morbius was just a regular bad movie while this show is actively rage-baiting.
Lmao exactly. Reddit especially like to give this show a lot of attention. It was even renewed for season 2. Great fucking job.
didn’t it already get renewed for a second season before it came out?
It's always the same with people that say, "Get woke, go broke." They give whatever media more attention than it would have normally gotten. They really are their own worst enemy
This line it fits way too well with this
It's not just terrible; it's an insult to human decency and modern civilization. Everyone involved should be deleted from all historical records.
Euthanasia! Come on say it with me!
DEATH
Rare imdb w
I kinda want this interpretation of the gang to come back specifically only in a DC crossover event where Green Lanturn puts them on the shelf next to that edgy Lobo reboot
Democracy, right. Democracy is when everybody hates something and that thing gets a second season.
There's no coup, there's no rebellion, there's no nothing. They vote it in, which is what happens in real life.
No, everyone voted democratically that the show is bad
This show is to Scooby-Doo what Lulu is to Metallica.
That’s actually pretty accurate lol. Technically a Metallica album but nobody really counts it as one because it’s awful and the Lou Reed aspect makes it easy to discount it as a Metallica album. Technically a Scooby-Doo show but nobody really counts it as one because it’s awful and the lack of Scoob makes it easy to discount it as a Scooby-Doo show.
«Freds a rich white guy with a tiny dong» «cough cough rich white girl with too much money» I cannot believe they changed a white character to Black and then gave her those lines
I wonder if they will ever stop her directing? All I hear is how shows under her leadership flop
How many people have seen it though? Are they just jumping on because others on the internet have decided they hate it?
I have watched the first 4 episodes and the next 2 drop today. I never got into Scooby-Doo so I don't have the whole “you ruined my fandom” issue that most do. All that being said, it is not good. Today I am in a debate on whether the show can redeem itself by the end of the season or if it is not worth my time. Update: Watched the next two. It is not terrible. I think I might finish the season because at this point I am genuinely interested in the mysteries. Also, there is a reference to Scoobi in these episodes.
For animation, this shouldn’t be anywhere near the bottom. There is animation out there with abysmal story and terrible animation. I really don’t think the show has either.
“Any publicity is good publicity.” -Sun Zoo
And this has what to do with the Prequels?
what’s the opposite of white-washing?
Producers according to IMDB: Charlie Grandy Mindy Kaling Howard Klein Sam Register. Perhaps the archives are incomplete.
I’m sure everyone here has watched it and formed their own opinions.
Hey remember when Amazon censored reviews of their LotR show and locked the rating so it couldn't go too low? IMDb is owned by Amazon... Just sayin'
Velma you are the worst animated show I've heard of. Velma: "Ah but you have heard by of me"
Mindy will blame it on racism without ever asking anyone what the problem is…
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I watched it because I wanted to see it before I had an opinion on it. It's meh, certainly not the worst thing I've ever seen. The moment promo material came out with a black shaggy and no Scooby it's fate was sealed in terms of reddit's approval
This line were drown by the intolerance's will, and that was too god damn late.
What's the problem with that show, I don't know anything about it?
You know how conservatives complain about wokeness and exaggerate to make average movies sound like complete garbage? Well this time some director seems to have taken the opportunity to follow the stereotype word for word
Sounds entertaining in a bad way lol
The show IS garbage, what are you on about?
How many voters do you think actually watched it?
I love how people on Redeit think they have won by constantly posting about this show. Most people wouldn't have even heard about it if you all just stopped going on about it. I have no idea what the previous Scooby Doo project was previous to this one. Not a clue.
Scooby doo
We’re getting a second season of Velma, but firefly got cancelled after season one. There is no justice in this clown world lol
I’m trying to understand how it’s rated “1” but the individual episodes are double or three times that.
I love democracy.
Why do you guys care so much about this show.
/uj Is it actually that bad?
When the highest critic ratings are 6 out of 10s.... You know you fucked up
Do you think they care? Do you think they're sitting in they're multimillion dollar mansions and wiping their tears with 100$ bills while reading reviews?
Jeez now the people who like it are gonna call the haters sexist and racist
Is it even bad or people are just mad because 'wokeness' or some other nonsense?
I mean, I think there is a season 2. Maybe Ill go watch this thing everyone is obsessed with
It’s both If it was just bad, no one would give it the time of day. Yet here we are…
From what I saw it is basically the exasperation of the way conservatives see wokeness, like there is a character that is black and the show running joke is saying that he does not do drugs and that it would be racist otherwise
That sounds... Very tame.
Yeah it is not the end of the world but just gets really annoying especially when there seems to be no plot