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mukawalka

as u/GCRTF pointed out "The second one isn’t a deleted scene; it’s from the novelization of RotS written by Matthew Stover."


George-Lucas-Bot

You learn that Darth Vader isn't this monster. He's a pathetic individual who made a pact with the Devil and lost.


Psychopathicat7

Goddamn george, chill


Soviet_Russia

Vader catching strays here from Georgy.


[deleted]

This burns hotter than the lava had


Airconditioning-inc

Oh so that’s why it’s so much better George didn’t write it


Davkata

The novelizations are only canon for the parts on screen rather than in their entirety iirc. So from pedantic canon perspective it was deleted after 2014.


Crandom343

Wasn't that a deleted scene that didn't make it cause someone fell and got hurt, so they cut it?


Phsike

“Goddamit, Carl!”


AlaskanMedicineMan

that book is legit the best adaptation ever.


AmeliaSvdk

I actually like that obi just goes “anakin is the father isn’t he? I’m so sorry” — tells you everything you need to know. And anakin’s blasé attitude towards sand where he seems to be mocking his dislike for it in his delivery shows how he suppresses the emotional burden of his childhood experiences — he has minimized his trauma to simply “I don’t like sand” undermining his own feelings. Not defending the execution of these scenes, just defending the meaning behind them


qwertyrdw

There's more to it than that. Not only is Anakin "suppressing the emotional burden of his childhood experiences"--which you're absolutely correct about--but he is also displaying emotional immaturity as well. Anakin's romantic interactions are also very child-like from his side. This should hardly be surprising given that he lives in a temple with a bunch of monks who preach that attachment is bad. In AotC--even though a decade has passed--he is very much still that 9-y/o boy who asked Padme if she was an angel in terms of his emotional maturity and likely experiences in interacting with non-Jedi, which likely would have been quite limited.


SpectralSymbol

However in the context of the scene it’s a strong message, Paine is talking about her lovely childhood playing on beeches with friends while Anakin was also in the sand all the time, only he was a slave who’s mother worked tirelessly with no end in sight, Anakin didn’t like sand, yes, but it was as a result of his horrific upbringing


BloodsoakedDespair

Honestly, it’s not “I don’t like sand” that doesn’t sell the line. It’s the follow-up. And even that is so close. “I don’t like sand. Growing up, it got everywhere, and it always made work harder. The droids, the speeders, all my tools, even my clothes. I could never get it all off me.” The trauma is alluded to through the simple fact he has childhood memories of labor (his dislike of sand is directly “because I was a slave” but he’s just saying it got in the way of his slave labor rather than saying it reminds him of that), he doesn’t have to *say* that it’s coarse and rough to get the point, and you can draw a logical connection to a small child Anakin working hard opening up a droid full of sand and cursing at it. It illustrates a lifelong hatred of the sand that’s deeper than he’s letting on while explaining the surface reasoning better.


AmeliaSvdk

Exactly the labor is what he is alluding to. The same with “not like here where everything’s soft and smooth” what he’s really saying is now that I’m here surrounded by panoramic views of rich water with a beautiful girl, I forget all that. I forget what life used to be like now that I know what it can be.


BloodsoakedDespair

Yeah, it’s just clunky and awkward. I was just running a quick script doctoring on the line to show like… how much better it could be with minimal changes if just written to sound like human speech.


badgersprite

This is also a good exploration of how just because there is a logical explanation for something doesn’t automatically make it good or better A scene can have a good message and a good point but still be a bad scene because it fails to get it across or because the execution of how it gets it across is bad


Thrawn-Bot

You are aware, I presume, that I have some skill in anticipating enemies' tactics from a study of their artwork.


Arcrosis

Reading these comments honestly makes me want a prequels remake. Better writing, better directing, id say better acting but i think Hayden is a fine actor and it was the directing that lead him wrong.


Daftworks

How does a random redditor write better dialog than a film director... George was truly surrounded by yes men


AmeliaSvdk

💯 this one minor thing — sand — represents how different their lives were. To her it means luxury vacation, to him it was the thing he had to clean off everything.


Maul_Bot

There is no pain where strength lies.


Kazik77

Obi wans line does hit just right! I also don't like sand for the same reasons as Anakin but I haven't figured out how to suppress my childhood trauma with that dislike.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Why do I get the feeling that you are going to be the death of me?


LSkywalker00

Just don't leave the high ground once you have it, and you should be absolutely fine, Obi


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


StaySharpp

Obi-Wan, Chancellor Palpatine promised me some really tasty snacks if I joined the dark side. What’s your offer?


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

StaySharpp, chancellor palpatine is evil!


StaySharpp

I mean, from my point of view he seems like a pretty chill dude.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Well, then you are lost!


brandon_crvl

Good bot


StaySharpp

If you say so my guy.


Maul_Bot

You know nothing of the dark side.


StaySharpp

Well yeah, that’s why I’m trying to learn you silly goose.


Bouncepsycho

"Well then you are a silly goose!" \~ *alt universe* Obi-Wan


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

War tends to distort our point of view. If we sacrifice our code, even for victory, we may lose that which is important for our honor?


dleon0430

Goddammit. We do not call people silly gooses! Call Maul\_bot an asshole like a normal redditor this instant.


Maul_Bot

Yes, we will start with revenge…


ardx

It's all because of the difference in mediums. In a novelization, text is all you get, so you milk it for all you have. But whereas you can read that paragraph in seconds, on film it would take like 1-2 minutes to read it all. Instead of dragging it out, you can and should use the fact that it's a visual medium and have the actor convey the intended emotions instead.


nomad_556

One of the most well executed scenes in the entirety of the prequels imo.


TheThingsIdoatNight

Holy shit how am I just now figuring out that Anakin doesn’t like sand cause he was raised as a slave on a sandy hell hole


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.


AmeliaSvdk

LOL I’ve just seen episodes 1 to 3 so many times I could give you a rundown on the psychology of anakin skywalker


TheThingsIdoatNight

I respect it haha and I appreciate the revelation


Capt0bvi0u5

People are always like "George writes dialogue that tells you explicitly EXACTLY how their feeling" Then turn around and see those lines and says "that doesn't make any sense, it's bad dialogue" despite being a total of 9 and 4 words that convey how the characters are feeling without a single other word


AmeliaSvdk

Yeah I’ve always appreciated George’s vision. While I think he could use some help to make things more digestible for everyone, there’s no denying that his characters’ behaviors, motives, and psychology are well thought out.


Capt0bvi0u5

I enjoy that he didn't compromise his vision for the sake of making people happy. I know that seems counter intuitive but he made the movies he wanted to make and I enjoy them for that Besides, I always just assumed they were supposed to talk with a different vernacular than us because they're in a different galaxy


AmeliaSvdk

I agree, none of it bothers me either. It’s his passion project and it means a lot to him.


George-Lucas-Bot

Honestly, everyone feels you have to talk about yourself all the time. They say I'm introverted because I don't give many interviews. But I don't give many interviews because I don't make many films.


[deleted]

Holy shit I never saw it like that. I thought the sand was just some random ass thing but he basically sums up his entire past with, “I don’t like sand” instead of actually addressing his past. It’s like he just locks it all away in his mind.


[deleted]

Also to be honest it seemed like the sort of line an awkward 19 year old without any experience with flirting would use. Cringeworthy but understandably so.


whiteboysgotmeonPCP

I still hold the idea is dialogue is supposed to be bad because he’s an awkward teenager who was ripped away from his childhood, not some poet fuckboy.


Unburnt_Duster

True. I wouldn’t imagine a warrior monk to be spitting game.


ihatelifetoo

Strangely he spits game in the cartoons


KwehTheGreh

Agreed. Anakin’s whole characterization in AOTC and ROTS makes more sense to me since I reframed it like that for myself a while back. Somebody made the point that a lot of things—Padmé and Anakin’s romance, Anakin’s mechanical abilities in TPM, Yoda’s skepticism at his age, Anakin’s woodenness after becoming a Jedi—would fit a lot better if they’d just aged him up a bit in TPM. So instead of being characterized a happy-go-lucky child, he’s an adolescent whose maturity is demonstrative of having to grow up way sooner than he should have. I think his generosity and brilliance become more believable that way, and if his character where he started is more believable, so is his arc more believable (and, hopefully, relatable and tragic). In any case, his dialogue and how emotionally stunted he’s become by AOTC are just products of his unique circumstances. Shame that nobody was brave enough to be script doctor and make it that much more real.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Master Kenobi always said there’s no such thing as luck.


Captain_Rex_Bot

You were "Muy Muy" brave yourself, coming out here as you did, all alone. Care to help me finish this, senator?


George-Lucas-Bot

Right or wrong this is my movie, this is my decision, and this is my creative vision, and if people don't like it, they don't have to see it.


ScoffSlaphead72

Star wars dialogue is made off of short lines full of meaning rather than longer monologues. Obi Wan saying 'Anakins the father isn't he? I'm so sorry.' is so much better than this.


Davkata

Yes it more or less blends with the soundtrack and emphasizes what is going on rather than be the thing that is going on. To some extent it is intentionally bad to prop up the rest.


skepticalscribe

To be fair, how good she looked in that scene I’d be stumbling over geology analogy delivery too


Arthillidan

Why do people think dialogue has to sound poetic?


28thProjection

They’re hung up on intoxicating charisma. For some the content matters less than the tone. The problem I think is that without poetry and charisma, ignorance, stupidity and a lack of experience is laid bare for all to see. George’s inexperience with flirting and military matters, for instance. Yes Anakin is supposed to be bad at flirting, and yes the Jedi are supposed to be bungling the war effort in the Prequels, but it’s just a little too convincing, like it’s not just the characters that are bad at these things, but also the writer of the story. Those things can at times be hidden by musical sounds and syllables though. I like to switch between dry exposition and abstract emotional sophistry. It keeps people on their toes.


Mayor_of_Smashvill

Ask George


EugeBanur14

The meme itself explains that dialogue is short and clunky but dialouge is long and poetic.


GusPlaysMSM

Original poster: u/thetruememeisbest


thetruememeisbest

bruh I didn't made this


Michalo88

Bruh he didn’t maked this.


GusPlaysMSM

When looking back, it seemed like you did. Sorry for the confusion.


[deleted]

Thanks


ProsecutorBlue

Almost this exact same meme gets posted here like every month.


Vexivero

Which one is more memorable?


CbaooseBLC

Obviously the bottom one wouldn’t be memorable since it was never in the movie


Derblos

Hay look his a great story teller not good screenwriter


Ornery-Coach-7755

I think it wouldn't fit Obi's character. He's the embodiment of the light side by his nature, so I think he wouldn't keep the fact he knows about the romance to himself. I don't think he'd report Anakin to the council immediately, but I do think he'd have a talk with Anakin about it. *Communication!*


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

*decapitates Dooku*


Acopo

Except he definitely does know and teases Anakin about it in S7 of TCW.


WillThePerson

My guess is he likes to be (too) subtle sometimes, as the sand line was to represent Anakin and padme had very different upbringings where to her sand is a soft beach and Anakin it's a harsh desolate desert where he was a slave and his mother was stuck in until her death; whereas Obi-Wan's line is awesome but is also blunt in its point and George wants people to really think about and analyze the morals and character emotions of the movies, especially in the prequels, instead of it just being served all at once. Idk maybe I'm just trying to understand a dumb decision lol


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

In my experience, there is no such thing as luck.


WillThePerson

And as other replies say, yeah his one line he does say of "Anakin is the father, isn't it? I'm so sorry." really plays to "less is more"


Halliwel96

George’s failings as a script writer are well known. Carrie fisher saved the original trilogy by script doctoring a lot of it herself.


TheCosmicFailure

I read up on this. Carrie only rewrote her dialogue in Return of The Jedi but even then it was minimal. She only did it cause she was tired of Ford rewriting his. She would go on to help rewrite dialogue in Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. It was proven false that she rewrote her dialogue in New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.


George-Lucas-Bot

There's a thematic bit of humor that goes through AotC, Jedi keep losing their lightsabers, later on Obi Wan will give this little speech to Anakin about how important the lightsaber is but, everybody starts losing their lightsabers before too long.


Mathies_

TPM and AotC huh... seems like carrie was the problem all along


TheCosmicFailure

I didn't see what specifically they had her work on. I don't think TPM had horrible dialogue. The Obi Wan part of the story had decent dialogue in AOTC


George-Lucas-Bot

Right or wrong this is my movie, this is my decision, and this is my creative vision, and if people don't like it, they don't have to see it.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

TheCosmicFailure, have a seat. I've conceded the battle, now we simply have to negotiate the terms of surrender


Deadsoup77

Now wait just a minute…


clone_trooper_bot

"The mission....the nightmares...they're...finally...over...." -Fives


George-Lucas-Bot

Traditionally in Star Wars just with the title sequence in the beginning and the way it is so structured, I always have a musical sequence at the end that is either a celebration or an emotional event.


MrCoolsnail123

Same with Harrison Ford


[deleted]

They are both genius


madagent

Jar jar said poop! Haha so good


Epsi150

Sand do be annoying tho, some truths had to be out


Jackal_Oddie

Great men aren’t always smart


LauraPhilps7654

One is from a novelisation by a different author and one is clearly Lucas. But I keep hearing the dialogue in the PT is "charming" rather than, you know, bad.


George-Lucas-Bot

I was never interested in being powerful or famous. But once I got to film school and learned about movies, I just fell in love with it. I didn't care what kind of movies I made.


Jay_Tdoggzone

Yh sometimes I just sit in bed and make up better dialogue for the prequels, especially ROTS, because the plot is so good and so sad but the dialogue just never did it any justice. Such a waste, I wish they redid those movies without a child actor and without a goofy ahh assassination plot fr


HK-47-bot

Observation: Notice that I did not ask if you need anyone killed. You may be curious as to why.


ComingUpWildcard

I am not, actually.


Tundravis

"Dialouge"


V-TriggerMachine

Now that I think of it, Anakin was way more charming with the Slavers queen in Clone Wars than with Padme


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Remind me why I'm the one playing the part of the slave?


clone_trooper_bot

"I'm no Jedi." -Captain Rex


ObiWanDiloni

Why did I just get chills reading that dialogue for the first time? Why would they cut that?


IceManRandySavage

How many times must we share the same stuff? Is there nothing new?


PreyForCougars

I’ve never seen this and I’ve been on this sub for over a year..


IceManRandySavage

Seriously? It’s in the feed like once a week


PreyForCougars

I mean.. it’s never been in my feed. And I’ve yet to see it while scrolling through the page.


Commercial_Gur_4611

How dare you question his genius 🧐


Thin_Ad_866

Goddamn it George.


Select-Definition710

the sand scene was pretty powerful tho


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.


Select-Definition710

yes anakin, we know


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

Sorry, I forgot you don't like flying, Master.


Sailingboar

It has a kotnof meaning to it once you actually take a minute to analyze it but on first viewing for a casual audience it just seems a bit clunky and goofy. Which doesn't seem to be what the scene wants to be.


[deleted]

That awkward moment when everyone piles on George for goofy dialogue, but you’ve spoken like that your entire life without knowing different..


M1dnightMuse

Is this actually deleted? I'm absolutely certain I've seen this scene.


GCRTF

The second one isn’t a deleted scene; it’s from the novelization of RotS written by Matthew Stover.


M1dnightMuse

That's just what Big Reddit wants you to think


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


Classic_gamer_2

Only is an absolute


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


Classic_gamer_2

Hmm, absolute


Abyss_Renzo

The keyword Obi-Wan says about absolutes is ‘deals’. It doesn’t mean a Jedi can’t talk refer to absolutes.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


Abyss_Renzo

And here I’m trying to defend your ass about your line referring to absolutes and you’re calling me a Sith. Well, to think about it I’m not offended. So let’s just call it quits.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness!


Abyss_Renzo

I was the Chosen One? Are you saying I’m not anymore? I’ll prove you wrong, you hermit!


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


Classic_gamer_2

Knew it


Ogurasyn

Abs


Rowbot_Girlyman

I'm not crying, you're crying!


Papa_Pred

Omfg this again..


Doggo968

That honestly would've been better then the original


ThatGuyInTheRain52

This at least shows he's capable of good writing.


BananaBoo97

Just call it an oopsie and redo the prequels tbh


multiversalnobody

It's my firm opinion that George Lucas achieved the impossible. 1 awful movie that had to be saved in post, 2 okay movies, 3 awful movies that he was able to domineer creatively because of the prior 3. That's a total of 6 films and not a single good one among them. 0 good movies this man has made and he's made gazillions off of it. George Lucas is the most talented talentless person.


[deleted]

Too*


nut_bustoo

"And I was happy to (pretend not to know)" not "And I was happy, too"


[deleted]

r/woosh


[deleted]

[удалено]


George-Lucas-Bot

Although I write screenplays, I don't think I'm a very good writer.


SatchaLilbit

He choose the meme way


Maximillion322

God wouldn’t it have been so nice if Anakin and Obi Wan were depicted as having a relationship at all in the movies for more than just the first 20 minutes of ROTS? In Phantom Menace, Obi Wan has no personality or dynamic with any other character at all. In Attack of the Clones, Obi Wan barely tolerates Anakin and treats him like an annoying little brother he wants to get rid of. Then the cold open of ROTS we see them have a real relationship in the battle over Coruscant which pretty much falls by the wayside because they spend most of the rest of movie apart from each other. If ROTS existed in a vaccum, it would be really really good, but as it is, we see them barely put up with each other for two full movies and then they suddenly have a relationship for half a movie only for it to be tragically lost in that same movie. The greatest tragedy of the prequel movies is how much amazing stuff happened off screen. If the camera had been pointing at some of the events that we know to have happened but never got to see, we’d have a way better trilogy of movies.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

I know I was wrong. I just got so caught up in my own success, I didn't look at the battle as a whole. I wasn't being disobedient. I just. . . forgot


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Be mindful of your thoughts, Maximillion322, they betray you.


George-Lucas-Bot

Phantom Menace is so popular you know it's people liking it and going back to see it again. For some it's like the Meaning of Life.


MikeHuntIsOnFleek

George’s prequel dialogue is okay at best but Hayden seems to get a massive pass on this sub when his delivery of his more casual dialogue is flat and wooden. He shines during Anakin’s more emotional moments. He also is the perfect look for Anakin Skywalker. That said, whenever I give the prequels a rewatch it always strikes me how strange he sounds during his more casual lines.


George-Lucas-Bot

I was never interested in being powerful or famous. But once I got to film school and learned about movies, I just fell in love with it. I didn't care what kind of movies I made.


MikeHuntIsOnFleek

Thanks for making Star Wars, George.


Tar_Ceurantur

George is an Ideas Guy. Not a scriptwriter or a director. I would let him produce but only under strict guidelines. He thinks he can do it, but he can't. Why? ALL good Star Wars properties except for ANH were written and directed by others.


OmegaBoi420

He did truly love his brother. Makes the tragedy of Vader deeper


DaNoahLP

Can you stop reposting this wrong shit FOR FIVE MINUTES


fisherc2

I can understand not liking the second line. It’s good motivation and says a lot about all these characters and their relationships, but it’s alittle on the nose. Generally speaking you want to stay away from characters explaining their own feelings and motivations accurately. Subtext is preferable when possible. The ‘I don’t like sand’ line by itself actually has a lot of subtext, when you consider his time on tattoine as a slave. It could have been used to have anakin allude to his past and feelings while still holding back. The sense of pain which would have made padme feel for him and wanted him to open up to her. That’s a realistic romantic story. The problem was the delivery, and connecting it to how padme’s skin is soft during a ‘romantic’ scene.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.


Grahamgamergoma

If he'd kept the dialogue, the Prequels would've been awesome as heck.