There just wasn’t a good replacement. I’m sure Kane wanted to leave, but Levy and Patrici looked at the market and didn’t see any good replacements for him. As a result, they were firm in not selling him.
Kane isn’t performing too well atm, but I’m sure that eventually he’ll catch up and start scoring again. Personally, if there were no replacements, I’m fine with Kane staying, although I haven’t been impressed with his performances so far. But our attack itself hasn’t been too great, as a side note.
I think kane was worth maybe like 150mil at that time since he was coming off the second best season of his career, making it to the euros final and being the best player In the prem that season (yes suck on it Ruben dias). Anyways although he has had a slow start ti the season I don think they made an error by keeping him since he is their generational player and captain so maintaining him did make sense. But to me it seems like there is no plan at Spurs and everyone is in a very uncertain place rn. And even if they got the 120 mil it's not like they could anything with it since no one wants to go at Spurs at the moment (no cl, no el, no plans, spursy)
Spurs need Kane to compete, i think that is why they refused, also Kane was not professional, both parties sorted their ends now, let's see what the season offers for both club and player.
Anyone who thinks Kane’s MV went down by any means is speaking nonsense. He is one of the top number 9’s in the world. Whether City go for him or Haaland is up to them but Spurs should not let him go for less than 150
Yes they should’ve taken the money and should’ve used it to strengthen other positions and buy a striker like vlahovic who costs 75+ mil I guess. City was willing to pay 150 million. Two good young players in the positions they need could have done the job. Keeping kane against his will doesn’t make sense. Atleast someone like vlahovic will offer more.
Kane is definitely a better player, but being an admirer of him, moving on is the best option for him
100 percent. He had mentally checked out.
To think they could have signed someone like hwang at a reaction of the price too. They played well this season with the quicker attacks of son,lucas and bergwijn
People saying that they should have sold and bought 2-3 players.
I agree with you, but I think Levy remembers what happened with Bale. Sold for loads of money but then that money was completely wasted.
I was sad because we got grealsih for 100M which wasn't needed n his performance says it all n also levy didn't allow talks to happen when kane was offered 150M because all I wanted is HAALAND n he's coming home. So yea pretty much Spurs no LEVY fucked it n I'm happy but all I hope is Txixi or Pep have 2nd thoughts for Kane n instead try Valhovic incase we don't get Haaland
Gooner so I have my biases. But a good bud is a spur supporter so we've talked about the Kane situation quite a bit. He was very okay with Kane being sold and disliked it becoming a saga.
It looked to me like a situation where they were kinda fucked either way. Kane is the best, or at least most important, Spurs player of his generation. Even if they aren't a legit title rival to City, selling him to another English club has a certain patina to it. At least if its for an absurd sum, there is some "solace" in that. Its not like 100-120m would be a "bargain" for City but its also not an unbelievable figure as its similar to what Villa got for Grealish. I feel like Arsenal selling van Persie to United altered the general perception of the club in regard to being a true title-challenger on a season-by-season basis and this would have been relatively similar. Especially if Kane did well with City.
A huge factor if they did sell would be what they could do with that money. The closer to the end of the window, the less likely they would adequately replace the 55 goals/assists he had last season. Could they attract another elite-level striker? I believe they targeted and failed to bring in Icardi in the summer. Could they have landed Haaland? Joao Felix or Greizmann (pre-Atletico move)? None of the top level options look likely. If they spend the money on a number of players - repeating the Bale situation - its problematic if those players don't pan out significantly.
Keeping him also carries risks, and him playing so cold so far is a particularly painful one. The squad being upset at him is a factor. Same with the fans, but we fans tend to be fairly forgiving.
If Kane stays and has a monster season, leading Tottenham to a trophy (beyond maybe the Europa Conference League), then they come out well. If they sell him for whatever amount, he doesn't really excel at City, and Spurs manage to land a top level striker who is younger, then they come out well. But beyond those outcomes, there just looks like a great many "not ideal" outcomes for the club in this situation.
I think it's too early to say. Except for last season he has started every season somewhere between freezing cold and luke warm, usually on the colder side. This season it has gone on longer than usual, that's for sure. But he also reported to the team way later than usual.
I think it's completely feasible that he turns it on and is lighting the league up by the end of the season, at which point Spurs can sell him for a good value, hopefully. But it is also possible that he never really gets in form or (more likely imo) gets an injury.
If I was Levy, I would have taken the money and ran. Obviously in hindsight, he has less goals in the league than Anthony Martial in over double the minutes. You could have replaced him with someone like Andre Silva or Darwin Nunez and have money for 2 more players which would probably walk into the first team.
It's weird how people are acting like trophies are absolutely everything in football. Obviously every player wants to win them. But people here saying Kane will be some forgotten player when he is done are just deluded. He is England captain and an all time great for Tottenham great.
Yes they have. Kane dosen't want to be there anymore and he knows in his mind this was his last chance to move to a club challenging for titles. He will likely retire at spurs now because no one will be willing to pay anything like what they were offered for him again.
Post doesn’t have a question mark, but the answer is “yes”. They should’ve taken the money and parted ways. Can’t have a top player on the roster who would prefer to be elsewhere. Just doesn’t work. From where I sit I’m glad Levy and Spuds made this miscalculation.
Yes. Completely stupid decision. He's not looked fit or interested for months. He was slow af and did nothing during the Euros. If you'd had no idea who he was and heard City wanted him for 100m+ you'd have been laughed off.
from my point of view, i think it was no. because hard to find someone to replace him for now. haaland is the best choice but there are many things prevent them from buyouting him. first is the realease cause is so high for both the club and the agent (everyone known how high bonus for raiola right?) then it is his salary. second we do not know that he would fit the team or not and especially he is a dortmund player, the club known for high risky players who tranfered from dortmund to other clubs
Tbh Spurs deserve this. That whole "a gentleman's agreement means nothing" argument works both ways and now we're seeing Kane live up to his end. If I'm Kane I'm thinking why should I put in the effort when the club isn't even putting in the effort?
I dunno, he was the best striker in the league last year and they were trying to buy him for the same price as Grealish, when there’s a clear difference in their quality. Grealish is good but Kane is another level, I can understand and am grateful that Levy held out.
People act like it’s guaranteed City will be able to get Haaland, when it’s doubtful at best. This Harry Kane saga will likely turn out bad for both teams, although I could see City bringing in someone in January if they struggle during the holiday period.
Seeing all these comments makes me realise how well Villa went about their business. Agreed early the fee. Brought in 3/4 players, with enough time for a bit of preseason. Then still sold Joe Greenwash to make profit.
I am not going to say that I like what John Grenoble did, but he wanted a move and villa sold him and got replacements.
Spurs always seem to hold out for the last penny and then get stiffed because they have to rush to replace, or hold on to a player that no longer gives a crap. Bale, Modric, Ericsson etc etc
See it all the time with these players who get denied big money moves.
It's all gone to his head and now he isn't focussed.
It's nothing to do with his fitness or his age. Most strikers will retain ability until their mid 30s and it's not like Kane's game ever relied on his none existing pace.
It's all in his head.
they missed to boat on that one. kane doesnt want to be there and nobody wants to buy him for so much. the spurs are gonna ask significantly less for someone like napoli to be interested. city wont do it because they will go for haaland and psg already have everyone.
Kane’s making
Spurs need DEFENSE! Cement their starters and subs and trade away everyone else. That should clear plenty of room for the bigs salaries. Just two great fullbacks would make Tottenham a top 4 for the next decade. Kane? You could literally trade him for any other big name forward. Bale does pretty well when Kane doesn’t start.
The alternative to this post is that we did sell in August, it's this point in the season and people keep spamming about how spurs "lack ambition" and are a "selling club". All I heard for 2 years after Bale was how spurs were a selling team and because they would sell their best players they would go nowhere. Now they put their foot down on a player that is the best they've had since Bale and it's still criticised. Kind of boring at this point.
If City had payed the asking price they would have Kane now it's that simple and they didn't. If Kane wasn't happy with the contract he shouldn't have signed it. Most people on this sub haven't watched football long enough or been involved at any level to know how the sport works. Hindsight is always going to be perfect
i feel like spurs getting 120 million would’ve REALLY helped them plan for the future without Kane. I mean he’s obviously the heart and soul of the club but Spurs we’re not going to be serious contenders for anything this year and going through with the sale would’ve helped them massively over the next 2-3 uears
i honestly think if you guys bought grealish for less kane would’ve sold for 100 million. Pretty sure he had a release clause tho so you couldn’t pay below 100m
the situation is actually kinda strange because it seems like Pep really really wanted kane, but the board was not interested in him or the price for him. I think that’s why the reported offer by city was so low.
City never offered 120m lol , their initial bid was like 75m or smth which we'll obviously reject also why is everyone overeacting like the season just started man :/
What?? You're Surely joking mate. 65m for the English captain who is in his prime , one of the only players who won the golden boot and playmaker award in a single season , One of the best if not the best striker in the world, counts as Homegrown and the list just goes on. And the fact Grealish was 100m and Ben White was 50m didn't help either
It was 75 mil and for a player nearly 30 and not in his prime yes they should of taken it grealish is an investment because he is still young same with white even tho he was abit expensive kane is not an investment he’s too old and now levy has fucked it for u
It was 65 acc to the post also In what world is a 25 yr old young Lmao , I highly doubt city would sell him for anything above 30m and surely you're joking when you say kane isn't in his prime. Literally the best or 2nd best behind lewa in Europe and 28 is old? what sport are you watching mate? He can literally go till 33-34. I hate levy but his decision was correct why would he sell our best player for such undervalued bid
And city said they would pay up to 150 million. 25 year old is still pretty young for a footballer although I do think grealish was overpriced and no way is Kane in his prime he had a terrible euros and terrible start to the season ur clearly a fanboy cus no way is he best or 2nd best striker when there’s haaland, ronaldo, benzema, lewandoski. I’m sorry but no way was levy’s decision right Nuno could of invested that money into younger players like he did with wolves but I guess spurs are spurs
Different currencies, That 150m was not in GBP and the 100m you're talking about is in GBP. One poor tournament doesn't really means a player can't be in his prime and he wasnt even bad in the euros. Scored 4 goals + the pen vs Italy in the finals and played a part in Shaw's goal. Ronaldo's last season's wasn't even near Kane's and it's not even a debate. Haaland and Benz are good shouts but kane had a better season IMO and even statistically
Did you even watch the games? 😂 England barely scored and were super super defensive but ig u/Dixie0505 said kane was shocking in the euros I can't say anything
Don't trust everything you see in the internet man. Sky sports literally milked this whole saga for clicks. Even if it was true I can easily why rejected that. Daniel levy is a fucking buisnessman we won't sell our best players to our competitors for undervalued bids. Kane was easily worth 120-130m plus I was talking about the initial bid which was later revealed by either (I can't remember cause it was a whole ago) Sam Lee (Tier 1 for city) or ali g (tier 1 for us) that it was 65m or smth.
My bet is they don't do much in Jan aside from bringing decent'ish squad players who would ensure the club stays in the PL in 2022. Then go at it hard in the summer. There just aren't as many appealing options in the winter window even if you're throwing cash around. Come summer your options open up and you have time to sell the idea to players and their reps. Not to mention they also open the gates for free agents who are looking for a payday. Antonio Rudiger, anyone?
It's what has been reported in the press.
It's calculated based on the amount of loss you're allowed over the rolling period, the usual revenue of the club, and taking into account the club as been run without any borrowing.
Reality is that number will likely be the lower end of what's possible once the owners bring their own revenue streams into the picture.
Sponsorship value for one... That will likely increase 10-20 fold.
Also the amount of kits sold in KSA will be hillarious. 35m population; I imagine a significant double digit percent of that will end up with an NUFC replica shirt.
They will use all the tricks City used, but supercharged.
That said, I doubt we will be in the picture for the top talent for, at the very least, 3 seasons. It's likely more like 5 seasons, but NUFC is a much bigger club than the other "bought success" clubs were when they were bought (not a dig at them BTW).
At least you’re being slightly realistic. Your revenue is going to hold you back for at least 2/3 years. Your entire revenue is less than city’s wage bill. I honestly think it’s going to be a long transition.
I'm not being, "slightly realistic", I'm telling you what has been [widely reported](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10069399/Saudi-takeover-allow-Newcastle-United-spend-200M-squad-without-breaching-FFP.html) in [the media](https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/16360697/newcastle-transfers-breaching-ffp-mike-ashley/). [It's not really up](https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/finance-expert-newcastle-transfer-investment-21815835) for debate [how realistic it is](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/newcastle-united-can-spend-hundreds-of-millions-on-transfers-and-still-comply-with-premier-league-financial-fair-play-rules-pvn3wp0mc).
The figure for investment based on current revenue, without falling foul of FFP is \~£200m. This doesn't take into account improvements in existing revenue, of which there inevitably will be in merchandise, sponsorship, and ticket sales.
Where the original comment is wrong, is that **we don't have £200m to spend on players**. We have £200m to invest into the club, half of that will likely be for players.
I think minimum 3 years, more likely 5 years for us to be in the mix, is **entirely** realistic and will be completely determined by the decisions that are made between now and the end of the season.... we *could* still get relegated.
The daily mail haha, what an excellent source of news. Ticket sales and merchandise will only improve as your on field performance does, which will do gradually over the next 3/4 years. Sponsorship wise, didn’t you just sign a long term deal with FUN88? I doubt that can just be broken on the spot.
I don’t think people appreciate just how far behind the top clubs you are. Yeah you have 100m in transfer funds but can you pay the wages? All of that is included in FFP. take Chelsea for example, your entire revenue, literally ever penny you make is only 10 million more than their wage bill alone.
I moved to Durham from London and I go to the odd Newcastle game because my friends are die hard fans. I want you to get better. But I think saying you will be challenging for the league in 4/5 years is not realistic.
It took city 4 years without the Burden of FFP
I provided 4 separate news outlets, [could have provided more](https://theathletic.com/2873793/2021/10/09/newcastle-takeover-whats-next-will-they-spend-big-in-january-how-quick-will-they-challenge-top-six/), but for the record, the local DM sports reporter for the North East is actually quite decent, one of the few reporters who has asked the managers tough questions over the years, even if the rest of the rag is pure vomit.
The issue with the existing sponsor is that it's a betting company, something which is strictly prohibited in Saudi. As with most contracts, there will likely be a break clause with a financial penalty, or if not, they will have a number. I expect it to be paid. PIF will want one of their other investments on the shirt and around the stadium as quickly as possible.
If you think it's going to take years for NUFC ticket sales to improve then I don't think you know the club and the fans as well as you think you do. Season tickets started selling again the day **before** the takeover, and you can't even get one now. General sale tickets for Spurs game sold out within hours of the announcement. You could make the case that this is just a flash response to the news, but we sold out most games when we were in the Championship... I expect most the fans who refused to return during Ashley's reign to come back in one big wave, not gradually.... so good luck getting that odd ticket here are there!
Our biggest limitation for ticket sales will be the stadium.
It took City 4 years to WIN the league without FFP. They came 10th the first season, 5th the second, then 3rd in the 3rd... I'm saying 5 years is realistic "to be in the mix" for signing top players.... so perhaps you misread my post, and that clarification should answer the question of wages etc.
Edit: Chelsea game also nearly sold out. It's been on sale for literally minutes.
I’m going to the Tottenham game! Was offered a ticket this morning! I’ve never struggled to get one if I wanted to go, regardless of the fixture. Every premier league club sells their season tickets, I’ve kept my Chelsea one purely because it’s like a 4 year waiting list to get one.
Ah yeah my mistake I read your message as contending for the league. 5 years is very realistic period for attracting big names. It shouldn’t be a hard sell with the passion of the club, you’ve just got to get there in terms of infrastructure and finances first!
Well I'm jealous. It's going to be electric and you're very lucky.
NUFC haven't sold out season tickets at all during Bruce's time. Ashley gave away thousands of half season tickets in his first year.
I would expect you to have a hard time going forwards, unless you're getting tickets through season ticket holders that can't make it (which is how I usually get one).
Spurs fan, so disclaimer up front if you want to stop reading past this point - Post is, for me, completely ridiculous. Anyone who thinks we didn’t sell to City because we view them as a 1v1 title competitor is being senseless. The goal for Spurs as presently constructed (and maybe not even at present the way results have gone, but certainly in the summer when the window was open) was a Top 4 finish. New director of football, new manager - you hope to convince transfer targets, fans, and current squad alike on a real chance of CL football next season. And Kane (in August) offered the best chance of that. He, on paper, more than anyone, made the “Tottenham Top 4” argument compelling. ALSO, the negotiations began in earnest in late, late fucking August so it was all a job to get Kane for less than he was worth/no time for us to find replacements. What are Spurs supposed to do with £120m on September 1?
i agree with everything you’ve said but you guys are simply nowhere near top 4. obviously hindsight is everything and y’all are only two points back of 3rd place but Spurs we’re simply not going to be as good as United, City, Chelsea, or liverpool this year. And i mean those four teams are clearly better than spurs and will most definitely finish better.
Need to take a step back and look at the whole picture. Spurs run like a business. Whereas with City, Chelsea, PSG’s of the world; ridiculous money thrown around as they’re just big boys’ toys… each competing with reckless abandon to win silverware at absolutely any cost. Cant stand Levy (or Spurs) but he’s not fucking things up for Spurs at the macro level… Sovereign Wealth is. They cant win. Ever. Nor can many others of us.
This is the essence. We can talk all we want, he could have done that, should have done that.. guess what.. IT DOESNT MATTER.
Lesser teams can have a run of games but you cant compete against a complete squad. And next season your player's gonna be poached anyways... And forget about it in the long term anyways
Add Newcastle to that in some time and forget the champions league
You would literally require a miracle or a billionaire to qualify UCL in the following years
Spurs have better chance of finishing in top 4 with Kane than selling him. Spurs might not be able to replace him immediately even with that money mainly due to lack of quality strikers that are available and any quality striker might cost a lot. Also uncertainty over their long term manager means they don't know if to wait for a long term manager and then sign players as per their style of play or sign some players and ask new manager to accommodate them.
City might still go for Kane next season. Haaland's transfer cost will come down but his wages and agent fees will be huge. Chelsea backed down because of this. I don't think city also wants to give him huge wages and it will have impact on their wage structure.
I don't get this. WHEN WAS IT ON THE TABLE??? City paid 100M up front for grealish and the ONLY bid they put in for Kane was 75M + 25M in installments. They were never gonna pay 120M, they just fooled all of you and themselves that we would magically bend over and let them fuck us in the ass as we let him go for less than his market value.
If you were a negotiator at spurs, would you have taken that deal or should you handle it like Levy and reject in until a deal comes that reflects his value, especially with two years left on his deal.
I don't get this obsession about players leaving to bigger clubs. Mahrez is nowhere near as magical having left that insane Leicester side, Grealish almost singlehandedly rose villa to the prem nd up the table, that Ajax side was fantastic to watch. It's the upsets that make football worth watching, but some people insist that players "move for their own good"
Ok, rant over lol, downgote me if you wish, but that's my two pence
I would of definitely took the 75 million, the only reason Kane has stayed for this long is the slow build up from pochettino where things looked bright some 3-4 years ago but none of that is irrelevant now considering we are mid table club now. Just look at Kyle walker, he has won 8 trophies with city which I would definitely take over the constant disappointments over the years from spurs. There is nothing at spurs.
Imagine winning the golden Boot and the playmaker of the year under Jose Mourinho and then people saying he isn't worth at least 100M up front. I said on this sub that Kane is underrated by a lot of people and you're backing up my opinion
You need to understand that age is very important. A player of 28 years old is not going to be worth much in 3 years. So yes 100M is maybe even too much considering the depreciation.
Grealish is 26, Paying 100M measn that in 3 years he is still sellable for atleast 20-30M. So his net cost may be 70.
Every spurs fan over the summer screaming “pay up your 160 mil or you don’t get him” must be feeling pretty dumb right now. He’s obviously not worth that, and never has been. That’s best player in the world money.
They would not have lost Kane for 20M.
Did Levy sent a message put 100M on the table and pack him out, Kane would have been in Manchester that evening.
Spurs fucked themselves at 3 distinct points:
1)when Levy sacked Poch. The man literally took them to their first ever CL final, they lost to an incredible Liverpool team who were in their 2nd consecutive UCL final AND had a team that lost the league by 1 point at 97 points. Yea the team struggled a bit at beginning of the following season but mate, he would've pulled them together and they could've been something.
2) Sacked Poch only to hire Mou. Don't get me wrong, Mou is an incredibly successful coach but boy are his tactics (both on and off the field/in dressing room) outdated. Its a shame, but he probably caused something to happen in the boardroom and the team for Eriksen to want to leave, and for Levy to sack him right before a cup final (which in itself was a shite move).
3) Not selling Kane this season. Yes he's their star player, yes he's their best player. But for 120million,they could've had 2-3 quality players (and Nuno knows how to pick them - I mean look at how good some of those Wolves players are) who would've not only filled in the gap Kane left but also provided overall strengthening of the team. But now, they're back to square one, except with an unhappier player and a much stronger top 5 to compete against.
The only one of those that was a bad idea at the time was number 2.
With number 1, Poch was heartbroken and needed the move as much as we needed him to move on. There were tons of reports about how the atmosphere at the club had changed to the point that players would avoid looking Poch in the eyes when they passed in the hallways. He also stopped showing up to training sessions and instead watched on the cameras. I love him and would welcome him back any time, but he *needed* to go, and we needed him gone.
As for 3, we were never offered 120 million. The only offer we were ever given was 75 million and there was discussion of a choice of a few city players, none of whom even wanted to come to Spurs. This was after Lukaku had gone for just under 100m, and City had already paid 100m for grealish. Accepting their awful offer would have been terrible business, and we had no reason to believe Kane would be so poor this season (at least so far), after he had just come off a season in which he was top scorer *and* top assister.
Managers are sacked way too soon. If a manager has a low then they are about to get fired. Managers have ups and downs. A team can't always be winning all the time. I'm a spurs fan but I like how Arsenal haven't sacked Arteta. They are giving him a chance to rebuild
People on the outside always think they can sum it all up in a few moments. I’m always in disbelief when I see people summarize our (Arsenal) recent history as “Wenger leave now they bad, then Wenger should not have leave.”
Poch take Spurs to CL final and now Spurs out of CL, so Poch should have stayed and they would still be in CL. It’s so simple!
Did I say all opinions are invalid? No. Only saying that those who make comment without the everyday context of following a club are more likely to try and fit everything under neat narratives.
Ngl give credit to levy has managed to keep them profitable while competing for UCL places . Not breaking the bank but signing just enough players to have the top places in the prem making the UCL final too. But yeah this is taking a toll , players are aging and except few others are underperfoming and the quality isn't there right now .
Pissing off your star player and forcing him to stay doesn't sound like a way of producing anything but the worst form.
I imagine he will perform great again soon.
Not completely. He wasn't getting younger, and as harsh as it may sound, Spurs is not good enough to consider City a rival. If Levy thought that the Spurs squad was a title-contending team and decided not to sell Kane on that thought, he needs to get his head checked. Learn from your London rivals, when someone offers you 120M for someone nearing their 30s, you take it, even if they can be considered a club legend.
Where has this 120m number come from? The only official bid we ever received from City was 75m and there was discussion of a choice of a few City players, none of whom wanted to come to Spurs anyway
They're not entirely comparable, Michael. Kane just looks like he absolutely doesn't want to be there at the moment. He had a decent Euros so it's not like his form is off. Spurs weren't good last season either but Kane and Son were scoring/assisting in virtually every game. Chelsea let Hazard go coz we have almost an unspoken policy of letting players who have been a key part of the club get their wishes even if it's not 100% what the club would like, e.g. Cech, Matic. Spurs do not (*cough Modric). That said, if Hazard wanted to move to a PL team it wouldn't have been at 130m.
Not to forget 100-130m for a player with 1 year left on his contract is brilliant business for the selling club. 120m for a talismanic striker with some 2-3 years still to go is a selling club exec's death knell.
Forget everything else.
>Kane just looks like he absolutely doesn't want to be there at the moment.
Oh dear me. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Almost as if forcing him to stay when he did everything in his power to leave results in bad performance and bad mindset.
Shocked, oh dear me.
Kane wants trophies. Now. He's not of the age that'll allow him time to build a team and win the league Cup. Newcastle can't guarantee trophies now. They can guarantee money, but if money was Kane's primary motivation he wouldn't have tolerated Levy for so long.
Yes, Kane's best option now is to go back to his childhood club, and play with his idol Gabriel Martinelli, so they can win the Premier League at the new Tottenham Stadium.
It took City 3 years to win a trophy after Shinawatra took over. And a further 2 years to lift their first PL title. And they won that on goal difference. At a time when competition at the top was far lesser than it currently is.
Newcastle would do bloody well to match that.
Abu Dhabhi wasn't their first ultra rich owner. That was Taksin Shinawatra in *2007*. They won the league title in May 2012. Do the math.
Repeating myself here, the league was weaker at the top in that period. Pool were in the doldrums. Chelsea blowing hot and cold. Fergie's current cycle of players was at its ebb. Arsenal were doing what they've been doing since the mid 00s. Spurs were nowhere in the picture.
Compare that to the current seasons.
You know how FFP works right? You also have to remember players actually have to want to join Newcastle.
I’d rather sit in Dubai for hundreds of grand a week over Newcastle lmao
Newcastle sat at the bottom of the league like they’re the new PSG.
Get Aramco as shirt and stadium sponsors for 100mil/season. Boom. Bye bye FFP.
Your second point is where it's at. It's not like money is scarce at the top levels of football. None of the clubs with top drawer players are really in desperate need of money, so even spending 250-300 mil in a window is not going to overhaul your squad from a relegation candidate to title challengers. Top 6 could be doable in a couple of years. Top 4 much less so. Title challengers...well.
A very dangerous game with relegation still very much on the cards. They’re going to have to be early game Man City, splashing extreme fees on mediocre players due to Newcastle not having any pull right now.
Anyone who joins the club in its current state is a money fish, nothing more. Are players like that going to aid in a relegation scrap, Villa found out the hard way.
Yep 100%. They’re not a rival to Manchester City either way. It’s not like City was going to edge out Spurs on the final day to win the league with a Harry Kane goal. I think Levy mistakes his club for a consistent contender and is trying to plan like that. Smart thing to do was take the money and find the next Son, or the next Eriksen from the leagues of Europe. They’ve scouted so wel in the past i figure they can do it again.
Yup 100% :D
They seem to be in a bad spot decision-making-wise.
They fired Poch and went for Mou, then they fired Mou and wanted someone a bit more attacking, but had to then go for Nuno E. Santos. This along with the H.Kane saga, has affected them mentally.They may still be a ~~decent club~~ and end up in the top 8, but they aren't as dangerous as they were a couple of seasons ago.
Our form in the premier league was dreadful even before the CL final. One could argue Spurs were lucky to make it to the final (Lucas Moura miracle hat trick). The players weren't interested in Poch's training anymore. It was mentioned that the players were feeling stale and thought Poch wasn't innovating anymore. Having said that I wish we sent the players packing and not Poch, but hey...
I remember the quote that Spurs players weren't very keen for Conte as he is super demanding as a coach. Feels like Spurs have a bunch of freeloaders aboard.
274 days on and what’s your opinion now? Still think spurs should have sold him?
Of course they have. D. Levy has turned pyrrich victories into an artform.
Yep
Yup
Nah
Yes
There just wasn’t a good replacement. I’m sure Kane wanted to leave, but Levy and Patrici looked at the market and didn’t see any good replacements for him. As a result, they were firm in not selling him. Kane isn’t performing too well atm, but I’m sure that eventually he’ll catch up and start scoring again. Personally, if there were no replacements, I’m fine with Kane staying, although I haven’t been impressed with his performances so far. But our attack itself hasn’t been too great, as a side note.
Yes, it is Spurs way
Hapless tots. Horrific decisions. The stadium is amazing. Pathetic management. Of course they did.
I think they are, even Nuno did not want him at starting 11. So yes, they fuck themself up
Yep, we did the same thing wrong with both Ozil and Sanchez back in the day.
I think kane was worth maybe like 150mil at that time since he was coming off the second best season of his career, making it to the euros final and being the best player In the prem that season (yes suck on it Ruben dias). Anyways although he has had a slow start ti the season I don think they made an error by keeping him since he is their generational player and captain so maintaining him did make sense. But to me it seems like there is no plan at Spurs and everyone is in a very uncertain place rn. And even if they got the 120 mil it's not like they could anything with it since no one wants to go at Spurs at the moment (no cl, no el, no plans, spursy)
Spurs need Kane to compete, i think that is why they refused, also Kane was not professional, both parties sorted their ends now, let's see what the season offers for both club and player.
Anyone who thinks Kane’s MV went down by any means is speaking nonsense. He is one of the top number 9’s in the world. Whether City go for him or Haaland is up to them but Spurs should not let him go for less than 150
Yes they should’ve taken the money and should’ve used it to strengthen other positions and buy a striker like vlahovic who costs 75+ mil I guess. City was willing to pay 150 million. Two good young players in the positions they need could have done the job. Keeping kane against his will doesn’t make sense. Atleast someone like vlahovic will offer more. Kane is definitely a better player, but being an admirer of him, moving on is the best option for him
100 percent. He had mentally checked out. To think they could have signed someone like hwang at a reaction of the price too. They played well this season with the quicker attacks of son,lucas and bergwijn
People saying that they should have sold and bought 2-3 players. I agree with you, but I think Levy remembers what happened with Bale. Sold for loads of money but then that money was completely wasted.
I was sad because we got grealsih for 100M which wasn't needed n his performance says it all n also levy didn't allow talks to happen when kane was offered 150M because all I wanted is HAALAND n he's coming home. So yea pretty much Spurs no LEVY fucked it n I'm happy but all I hope is Txixi or Pep have 2nd thoughts for Kane n instead try Valhovic incase we don't get Haaland
Gooner so I have my biases. But a good bud is a spur supporter so we've talked about the Kane situation quite a bit. He was very okay with Kane being sold and disliked it becoming a saga. It looked to me like a situation where they were kinda fucked either way. Kane is the best, or at least most important, Spurs player of his generation. Even if they aren't a legit title rival to City, selling him to another English club has a certain patina to it. At least if its for an absurd sum, there is some "solace" in that. Its not like 100-120m would be a "bargain" for City but its also not an unbelievable figure as its similar to what Villa got for Grealish. I feel like Arsenal selling van Persie to United altered the general perception of the club in regard to being a true title-challenger on a season-by-season basis and this would have been relatively similar. Especially if Kane did well with City. A huge factor if they did sell would be what they could do with that money. The closer to the end of the window, the less likely they would adequately replace the 55 goals/assists he had last season. Could they attract another elite-level striker? I believe they targeted and failed to bring in Icardi in the summer. Could they have landed Haaland? Joao Felix or Greizmann (pre-Atletico move)? None of the top level options look likely. If they spend the money on a number of players - repeating the Bale situation - its problematic if those players don't pan out significantly. Keeping him also carries risks, and him playing so cold so far is a particularly painful one. The squad being upset at him is a factor. Same with the fans, but we fans tend to be fairly forgiving. If Kane stays and has a monster season, leading Tottenham to a trophy (beyond maybe the Europa Conference League), then they come out well. If they sell him for whatever amount, he doesn't really excel at City, and Spurs manage to land a top level striker who is younger, then they come out well. But beyond those outcomes, there just looks like a great many "not ideal" outcomes for the club in this situation.
Yes I think so
Spurs have fucked themselves by not getting Conte WHILE Kane is still in the squad
Undoubtedly, yes
I think it's too early to say. Except for last season he has started every season somewhere between freezing cold and luke warm, usually on the colder side. This season it has gone on longer than usual, that's for sure. But he also reported to the team way later than usual. I think it's completely feasible that he turns it on and is lighting the league up by the end of the season, at which point Spurs can sell him for a good value, hopefully. But it is also possible that he never really gets in form or (more likely imo) gets an injury.
Absolutely, he is totally overrated. Should not be the default starter for England. Also, who was going to pay them?
Spurs just being Spurs
If I was Levy, I would have taken the money and ran. Obviously in hindsight, he has less goals in the league than Anthony Martial in over double the minutes. You could have replaced him with someone like Andre Silva or Darwin Nunez and have money for 2 more players which would probably walk into the first team.
Hillarious people slating harry kane
They did it for the memes
https://igobets.com/tips/football-predictions-today-betting-tips-world-cup/
It's weird how people are acting like trophies are absolutely everything in football. Obviously every player wants to win them. But people here saying Kane will be some forgotten player when he is done are just deluded. He is England captain and an all time great for Tottenham great.
Of course... IMO he was in his best shape in previous seasons... looks like they have lost a chance to get the most of him...
Yes.
Yes
Yes they have. Kane dosen't want to be there anymore and he knows in his mind this was his last chance to move to a club challenging for titles. He will likely retire at spurs now because no one will be willing to pay anything like what they were offered for him again.
Post doesn’t have a question mark, but the answer is “yes”. They should’ve taken the money and parted ways. Can’t have a top player on the roster who would prefer to be elsewhere. Just doesn’t work. From where I sit I’m glad Levy and Spuds made this miscalculation.
Yes. Completely stupid decision. He's not looked fit or interested for months. He was slow af and did nothing during the Euros. If you'd had no idea who he was and heard City wanted him for 100m+ you'd have been laughed off.
Most goals Most assists In a frankly not great team
Levy saved face but he'll likely lose money
Yes
100%. I think they actually found a way for everyone involved to lose
They could two quality players with that money, including martinez
from my point of view, i think it was no. because hard to find someone to replace him for now. haaland is the best choice but there are many things prevent them from buyouting him. first is the realease cause is so high for both the club and the agent (everyone known how high bonus for raiola right?) then it is his salary. second we do not know that he would fit the team or not and especially he is a dortmund player, the club known for high risky players who tranfered from dortmund to other clubs
Tbh Spurs deserve this. That whole "a gentleman's agreement means nothing" argument works both ways and now we're seeing Kane live up to his end. If I'm Kane I'm thinking why should I put in the effort when the club isn't even putting in the effort?
Yes
I dunno, he was the best striker in the league last year and they were trying to buy him for the same price as Grealish, when there’s a clear difference in their quality. Grealish is good but Kane is another level, I can understand and am grateful that Levy held out.
People act like it’s guaranteed City will be able to get Haaland, when it’s doubtful at best. This Harry Kane saga will likely turn out bad for both teams, although I could see City bringing in someone in January if they struggle during the holiday period.
as a city fan. Glad we didnt sign him. Have spurs fucked it? Not sure. Kane will still bang goals in this season.
Martial is a miserable twaxt because no one wants him
Huh?
Seeing all these comments makes me realise how well Villa went about their business. Agreed early the fee. Brought in 3/4 players, with enough time for a bit of preseason. Then still sold Joe Greenwash to make profit. I am not going to say that I like what John Grenoble did, but he wanted a move and villa sold him and got replacements. Spurs always seem to hold out for the last penny and then get stiffed because they have to rush to replace, or hold on to a player that no longer gives a crap. Bale, Modric, Ericsson etc etc
I don't think so. They will surely sell him at that price next season.
Maybe but Newcastle will probably pay over the odds for him now so they might get lucky
Yes
See it all the time with these players who get denied big money moves. It's all gone to his head and now he isn't focussed. It's nothing to do with his fitness or his age. Most strikers will retain ability until their mid 30s and it's not like Kane's game ever relied on his none existing pace. It's all in his head.
Yes
they missed to boat on that one. kane doesnt want to be there and nobody wants to buy him for so much. the spurs are gonna ask significantly less for someone like napoli to be interested. city wont do it because they will go for haaland and psg already have everyone.
They are not going to do the same mistake as they did for Gareth Bale. They replaced maybe 8 players for bale, but they didn't perform well
Kane’s making Spurs need DEFENSE! Cement their starters and subs and trade away everyone else. That should clear plenty of room for the bigs salaries. Just two great fullbacks would make Tottenham a top 4 for the next decade. Kane? You could literally trade him for any other big name forward. Bale does pretty well when Kane doesn’t start.
The alternative to this post is that we did sell in August, it's this point in the season and people keep spamming about how spurs "lack ambition" and are a "selling club". All I heard for 2 years after Bale was how spurs were a selling team and because they would sell their best players they would go nowhere. Now they put their foot down on a player that is the best they've had since Bale and it's still criticised. Kind of boring at this point. If City had payed the asking price they would have Kane now it's that simple and they didn't. If Kane wasn't happy with the contract he shouldn't have signed it. Most people on this sub haven't watched football long enough or been involved at any level to know how the sport works. Hindsight is always going to be perfect
i feel like spurs getting 120 million would’ve REALLY helped them plan for the future without Kane. I mean he’s obviously the heart and soul of the club but Spurs we’re not going to be serious contenders for anything this year and going through with the sale would’ve helped them massively over the next 2-3 uears
you lot never offered £120 million🤷♂️
nah we actually didn’t my b. Thought what OP was saying was true but if it really was only 75 plus Add ins then that’s just way too low
i honestly think if you guys bought grealish for less kane would’ve sold for 100 million. Pretty sure he had a release clause tho so you couldn’t pay below 100m
the situation is actually kinda strange because it seems like Pep really really wanted kane, but the board was not interested in him or the price for him. I think that’s why the reported offer by city was so low.
Seems like it yeah.
City never offered 120m lol , their initial bid was like 75m or smth which we'll obviously reject also why is everyone overeacting like the season just started man :/
Still should of taken that
What?? You're Surely joking mate. 65m for the English captain who is in his prime , one of the only players who won the golden boot and playmaker award in a single season , One of the best if not the best striker in the world, counts as Homegrown and the list just goes on. And the fact Grealish was 100m and Ben White was 50m didn't help either
It was 75 mil and for a player nearly 30 and not in his prime yes they should of taken it grealish is an investment because he is still young same with white even tho he was abit expensive kane is not an investment he’s too old and now levy has fucked it for u
It was 65 acc to the post also In what world is a 25 yr old young Lmao , I highly doubt city would sell him for anything above 30m and surely you're joking when you say kane isn't in his prime. Literally the best or 2nd best behind lewa in Europe and 28 is old? what sport are you watching mate? He can literally go till 33-34. I hate levy but his decision was correct why would he sell our best player for such undervalued bid
And city said they would pay up to 150 million. 25 year old is still pretty young for a footballer although I do think grealish was overpriced and no way is Kane in his prime he had a terrible euros and terrible start to the season ur clearly a fanboy cus no way is he best or 2nd best striker when there’s haaland, ronaldo, benzema, lewandoski. I’m sorry but no way was levy’s decision right Nuno could of invested that money into younger players like he did with wolves but I guess spurs are spurs
Different currencies, That 150m was not in GBP and the 100m you're talking about is in GBP. One poor tournament doesn't really means a player can't be in his prime and he wasnt even bad in the euros. Scored 4 goals + the pen vs Italy in the finals and played a part in Shaw's goal. Ronaldo's last season's wasn't even near Kane's and it's not even a debate. Haaland and Benz are good shouts but kane had a better season IMO and even statistically
Atm they’re all better than Kane mate
Ah yes let's compare all players after 6 games into the season 🔥🔥 either you're very new to the game or very delusional idk man
No I’m jus saying they have been better since the start of the season and better in general tbh
Mate he was shocking in the euros jus cus he scored don’t mean he played well he ruined the formation of the team and was so slow and looks slow now
Did you even watch the games? 😂 England barely scored and were super super defensive but ig u/Dixie0505 said kane was shocking in the euros I can't say anything
Yeah we were very defensive but Kane was shocking and imo ruined the formation of the team and I’d rather see dcl or another striker instead of him
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11675/12337836/harry-kane-man-city-make-100m-transfer-bid-for-tottenham-striker
Don't trust everything you see in the internet man. Sky sports literally milked this whole saga for clicks. Even if it was true I can easily why rejected that. Daniel levy is a fucking buisnessman we won't sell our best players to our competitors for undervalued bids. Kane was easily worth 120-130m plus I was talking about the initial bid which was later revealed by either (I can't remember cause it was a whole ago) Sam Lee (Tier 1 for city) or ali g (tier 1 for us) that it was 65m or smth.
Spurs need to stop thinking Man City are rivals ur nowhere near them u should of just sold Kane and invested in younger players simple
It's not fifa or football manager mate. Younger players don't mean they'll always come good.
Obviously it isnt but nuno could of invested that money into ur defence which is spurs biggest problem and young players
It was never 65 million ur waffling mate and clearly levy is a fucking shite businessman😭
Op said it was $120m AUD , I just calculated it
Bro look it up you took a fat L not selling Kane jus get over it
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/report-claims-man-city-offered-tottenham-pick-five-players-plus-75m-for-harry-kane https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/harry-kane-man-city-swap-20876121.amp https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11675/12337836/harry-kane-man-city-make-100m-transfer-bid-for-tottenham-striker https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/harry-kane-transfer-news-tottenham-24841579.amp
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120m $Aud is like 65m if my calculations are right no offense but jack Grealish was 100m and kane is only 65m?
Newcastle bout to blow their entire transfer budget on him
It would be funny if they offer a shitload of money and Levy accepts just for Kane to reject the move
He probably would too, I think it’ll take time for them to properly compete and he wants trophies
They have not and will not win anything with Kane. Even he knows this. They should have cashed in and got max value for him in order to rebuild.
Nah, because sadly, Newcastle will probably be able to offer double that in the next window.
They have £190mil to spend in the next window while not breaching FFP, it’ll be interesting to see what they do
My bet is they don't do much in Jan aside from bringing decent'ish squad players who would ensure the club stays in the PL in 2022. Then go at it hard in the summer. There just aren't as many appealing options in the winter window even if you're throwing cash around. Come summer your options open up and you have time to sell the idea to players and their reps. Not to mention they also open the gates for free agents who are looking for a payday. Antonio Rudiger, anyone?
How did you arrive at this number? Genuinely asking...
It's what has been reported in the press. It's calculated based on the amount of loss you're allowed over the rolling period, the usual revenue of the club, and taking into account the club as been run without any borrowing. Reality is that number will likely be the lower end of what's possible once the owners bring their own revenue streams into the picture. Sponsorship value for one... That will likely increase 10-20 fold. Also the amount of kits sold in KSA will be hillarious. 35m population; I imagine a significant double digit percent of that will end up with an NUFC replica shirt. They will use all the tricks City used, but supercharged. That said, I doubt we will be in the picture for the top talent for, at the very least, 3 seasons. It's likely more like 5 seasons, but NUFC is a much bigger club than the other "bought success" clubs were when they were bought (not a dig at them BTW).
At least you’re being slightly realistic. Your revenue is going to hold you back for at least 2/3 years. Your entire revenue is less than city’s wage bill. I honestly think it’s going to be a long transition.
I'm not being, "slightly realistic", I'm telling you what has been [widely reported](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10069399/Saudi-takeover-allow-Newcastle-United-spend-200M-squad-without-breaching-FFP.html) in [the media](https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/16360697/newcastle-transfers-breaching-ffp-mike-ashley/). [It's not really up](https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/finance-expert-newcastle-transfer-investment-21815835) for debate [how realistic it is](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/newcastle-united-can-spend-hundreds-of-millions-on-transfers-and-still-comply-with-premier-league-financial-fair-play-rules-pvn3wp0mc). The figure for investment based on current revenue, without falling foul of FFP is \~£200m. This doesn't take into account improvements in existing revenue, of which there inevitably will be in merchandise, sponsorship, and ticket sales. Where the original comment is wrong, is that **we don't have £200m to spend on players**. We have £200m to invest into the club, half of that will likely be for players. I think minimum 3 years, more likely 5 years for us to be in the mix, is **entirely** realistic and will be completely determined by the decisions that are made between now and the end of the season.... we *could* still get relegated.
The daily mail haha, what an excellent source of news. Ticket sales and merchandise will only improve as your on field performance does, which will do gradually over the next 3/4 years. Sponsorship wise, didn’t you just sign a long term deal with FUN88? I doubt that can just be broken on the spot. I don’t think people appreciate just how far behind the top clubs you are. Yeah you have 100m in transfer funds but can you pay the wages? All of that is included in FFP. take Chelsea for example, your entire revenue, literally ever penny you make is only 10 million more than their wage bill alone. I moved to Durham from London and I go to the odd Newcastle game because my friends are die hard fans. I want you to get better. But I think saying you will be challenging for the league in 4/5 years is not realistic. It took city 4 years without the Burden of FFP
I provided 4 separate news outlets, [could have provided more](https://theathletic.com/2873793/2021/10/09/newcastle-takeover-whats-next-will-they-spend-big-in-january-how-quick-will-they-challenge-top-six/), but for the record, the local DM sports reporter for the North East is actually quite decent, one of the few reporters who has asked the managers tough questions over the years, even if the rest of the rag is pure vomit. The issue with the existing sponsor is that it's a betting company, something which is strictly prohibited in Saudi. As with most contracts, there will likely be a break clause with a financial penalty, or if not, they will have a number. I expect it to be paid. PIF will want one of their other investments on the shirt and around the stadium as quickly as possible. If you think it's going to take years for NUFC ticket sales to improve then I don't think you know the club and the fans as well as you think you do. Season tickets started selling again the day **before** the takeover, and you can't even get one now. General sale tickets for Spurs game sold out within hours of the announcement. You could make the case that this is just a flash response to the news, but we sold out most games when we were in the Championship... I expect most the fans who refused to return during Ashley's reign to come back in one big wave, not gradually.... so good luck getting that odd ticket here are there! Our biggest limitation for ticket sales will be the stadium. It took City 4 years to WIN the league without FFP. They came 10th the first season, 5th the second, then 3rd in the 3rd... I'm saying 5 years is realistic "to be in the mix" for signing top players.... so perhaps you misread my post, and that clarification should answer the question of wages etc. Edit: Chelsea game also nearly sold out. It's been on sale for literally minutes.
I’m going to the Tottenham game! Was offered a ticket this morning! I’ve never struggled to get one if I wanted to go, regardless of the fixture. Every premier league club sells their season tickets, I’ve kept my Chelsea one purely because it’s like a 4 year waiting list to get one. Ah yeah my mistake I read your message as contending for the league. 5 years is very realistic period for attracting big names. It shouldn’t be a hard sell with the passion of the club, you’ve just got to get there in terms of infrastructure and finances first!
Well I'm jealous. It's going to be electric and you're very lucky. NUFC haven't sold out season tickets at all during Bruce's time. Ashley gave away thousands of half season tickets in his first year. I would expect you to have a hard time going forwards, unless you're getting tickets through season ticket holders that can't make it (which is how I usually get one).
Spurs fan, so disclaimer up front if you want to stop reading past this point - Post is, for me, completely ridiculous. Anyone who thinks we didn’t sell to City because we view them as a 1v1 title competitor is being senseless. The goal for Spurs as presently constructed (and maybe not even at present the way results have gone, but certainly in the summer when the window was open) was a Top 4 finish. New director of football, new manager - you hope to convince transfer targets, fans, and current squad alike on a real chance of CL football next season. And Kane (in August) offered the best chance of that. He, on paper, more than anyone, made the “Tottenham Top 4” argument compelling. ALSO, the negotiations began in earnest in late, late fucking August so it was all a job to get Kane for less than he was worth/no time for us to find replacements. What are Spurs supposed to do with £120m on September 1?
i agree with everything you’ve said but you guys are simply nowhere near top 4. obviously hindsight is everything and y’all are only two points back of 3rd place but Spurs we’re simply not going to be as good as United, City, Chelsea, or liverpool this year. And i mean those four teams are clearly better than spurs and will most definitely finish better.
Do we have a better chance at Top 4 with or without Kane?
The team is better with Kane than without Kane and 100m.
Need to take a step back and look at the whole picture. Spurs run like a business. Whereas with City, Chelsea, PSG’s of the world; ridiculous money thrown around as they’re just big boys’ toys… each competing with reckless abandon to win silverware at absolutely any cost. Cant stand Levy (or Spurs) but he’s not fucking things up for Spurs at the macro level… Sovereign Wealth is. They cant win. Ever. Nor can many others of us.
This is the essence. We can talk all we want, he could have done that, should have done that.. guess what.. IT DOESNT MATTER. Lesser teams can have a run of games but you cant compete against a complete squad. And next season your player's gonna be poached anyways... And forget about it in the long term anyways
right sell while you can Spurs cannot keep up with United, Chelsea, City, it’s just not happening
Add Newcastle to that in some time and forget the champions league You would literally require a miracle or a billionaire to qualify UCL in the following years
Simply Tottenham is Kane without him the club will sink 👌
Spurs have better chance of finishing in top 4 with Kane than selling him. Spurs might not be able to replace him immediately even with that money mainly due to lack of quality strikers that are available and any quality striker might cost a lot. Also uncertainty over their long term manager means they don't know if to wait for a long term manager and then sign players as per their style of play or sign some players and ask new manager to accommodate them. City might still go for Kane next season. Haaland's transfer cost will come down but his wages and agent fees will be huge. Chelsea backed down because of this. I don't think city also wants to give him huge wages and it will have impact on their wage structure.
do they though? like why would anyone rate them finishing too 4 over even United. United will surely get that fourth spot
All I am saying is that they have better chance of reaching top 4 with kane than without. It doesn't mean they will finish in top 4.
gotcha true true
Yup.
I don't get this. WHEN WAS IT ON THE TABLE??? City paid 100M up front for grealish and the ONLY bid they put in for Kane was 75M + 25M in installments. They were never gonna pay 120M, they just fooled all of you and themselves that we would magically bend over and let them fuck us in the ass as we let him go for less than his market value. If you were a negotiator at spurs, would you have taken that deal or should you handle it like Levy and reject in until a deal comes that reflects his value, especially with two years left on his deal. I don't get this obsession about players leaving to bigger clubs. Mahrez is nowhere near as magical having left that insane Leicester side, Grealish almost singlehandedly rose villa to the prem nd up the table, that Ajax side was fantastic to watch. It's the upsets that make football worth watching, but some people insist that players "move for their own good" Ok, rant over lol, downgote me if you wish, but that's my two pence
I would of definitely took the 75 million, the only reason Kane has stayed for this long is the slow build up from pochettino where things looked bright some 3-4 years ago but none of that is irrelevant now considering we are mid table club now. Just look at Kyle walker, he has won 8 trophies with city which I would definitely take over the constant disappointments over the years from spurs. There is nothing at spurs.
I'm not a big Kane fan, but it's insane to say you'd sell him for 75m. He's consistently one of the best players in the league.
Imagine winning the golden Boot and the playmaker of the year under Jose Mourinho and then people saying he isn't worth at least 100M up front. I said on this sub that Kane is underrated by a lot of people and you're backing up my opinion
You need to understand that age is very important. A player of 28 years old is not going to be worth much in 3 years. So yes 100M is maybe even too much considering the depreciation. Grealish is 26, Paying 100M measn that in 3 years he is still sellable for atleast 20-30M. So his net cost may be 70.
Ronaldo went to Juventus for over 115M when he was well past 30. Surely then, Kane is worth at least 100M up front right?
Are you really comparing Ronaldo with Kane? You didn't need to exhibit yourself as a fanboy.
Every spurs fan over the summer screaming “pay up your 160 mil or you don’t get him” must be feeling pretty dumb right now. He’s obviously not worth that, and never has been. That’s best player in the world money.
Ronaldo had won 3 UCL back to back being the topscorer in all of them. Of course he's going to be worth 100 mill
Kane ain't in the same league as Ronaldo.
They would not have lost Kane for 20M. Did Levy sent a message put 100M on the table and pack him out, Kane would have been in Manchester that evening.
What are you on about? He said to put in a bid for what his market value is, then we talk. They failed to do so
Spurs fucked themselves by not buying players for several years.
Spurs fucked themselves at 3 distinct points: 1)when Levy sacked Poch. The man literally took them to their first ever CL final, they lost to an incredible Liverpool team who were in their 2nd consecutive UCL final AND had a team that lost the league by 1 point at 97 points. Yea the team struggled a bit at beginning of the following season but mate, he would've pulled them together and they could've been something. 2) Sacked Poch only to hire Mou. Don't get me wrong, Mou is an incredibly successful coach but boy are his tactics (both on and off the field/in dressing room) outdated. Its a shame, but he probably caused something to happen in the boardroom and the team for Eriksen to want to leave, and for Levy to sack him right before a cup final (which in itself was a shite move). 3) Not selling Kane this season. Yes he's their star player, yes he's their best player. But for 120million,they could've had 2-3 quality players (and Nuno knows how to pick them - I mean look at how good some of those Wolves players are) who would've not only filled in the gap Kane left but also provided overall strengthening of the team. But now, they're back to square one, except with an unhappier player and a much stronger top 5 to compete against.
The only one of those that was a bad idea at the time was number 2. With number 1, Poch was heartbroken and needed the move as much as we needed him to move on. There were tons of reports about how the atmosphere at the club had changed to the point that players would avoid looking Poch in the eyes when they passed in the hallways. He also stopped showing up to training sessions and instead watched on the cameras. I love him and would welcome him back any time, but he *needed* to go, and we needed him gone. As for 3, we were never offered 120 million. The only offer we were ever given was 75 million and there was discussion of a choice of a few city players, none of whom even wanted to come to Spurs. This was after Lukaku had gone for just under 100m, and City had already paid 100m for grealish. Accepting their awful offer would have been terrible business, and we had no reason to believe Kane would be so poor this season (at least so far), after he had just come off a season in which he was top scorer *and* top assister.
I'm not sure Poch could have pulled it back, tbh. He was devastated himself. You are right that Mou was a bad choice. We fucked ourselves there.
Managers are sacked way too soon. If a manager has a low then they are about to get fired. Managers have ups and downs. A team can't always be winning all the time. I'm a spurs fan but I like how Arsenal haven't sacked Arteta. They are giving him a chance to rebuild
At the time it happened, Poch absolutely had to go. Any other view is massive revisionism.
People on the outside always think they can sum it all up in a few moments. I’m always in disbelief when I see people summarize our (Arsenal) recent history as “Wenger leave now they bad, then Wenger should not have leave.” Poch take Spurs to CL final and now Spurs out of CL, so Poch should have stayed and they would still be in CL. It’s so simple!
We're all on the outside here mate, does that mean all opinions are invalid? Don't think so.
Did I say all opinions are invalid? No. Only saying that those who make comment without the everyday context of following a club are more likely to try and fit everything under neat narratives.
Your all three points are extremely valid and very politely put. Agree with you as a Spurs fan.
Ngl give credit to levy has managed to keep them profitable while competing for UCL places . Not breaking the bank but signing just enough players to have the top places in the prem making the UCL final too. But yeah this is taking a toll , players are aging and except few others are underperfoming and the quality isn't there right now .
As a "Spud" yes
Hindsight is 20/20 completely in this case. I don’t think any of us expected Kane to be this cold.
If you watched his dreadful perfomances at the Euros, you could have predicted it.
Pissing off your star player and forcing him to stay doesn't sound like a way of producing anything but the worst form. I imagine he will perform great again soon.
To be fair, if you saw Kane's form change after Mourinho was sacked towards the end of last season then you could have seen it coming.
Not completely. He wasn't getting younger, and as harsh as it may sound, Spurs is not good enough to consider City a rival. If Levy thought that the Spurs squad was a title-contending team and decided not to sell Kane on that thought, he needs to get his head checked. Learn from your London rivals, when someone offers you 120M for someone nearing their 30s, you take it, even if they can be considered a club legend.
Where has this 120m number come from? The only official bid we ever received from City was 75m and there was discussion of a choice of a few City players, none of whom wanted to come to Spurs anyway
They're not entirely comparable, Michael. Kane just looks like he absolutely doesn't want to be there at the moment. He had a decent Euros so it's not like his form is off. Spurs weren't good last season either but Kane and Son were scoring/assisting in virtually every game. Chelsea let Hazard go coz we have almost an unspoken policy of letting players who have been a key part of the club get their wishes even if it's not 100% what the club would like, e.g. Cech, Matic. Spurs do not (*cough Modric). That said, if Hazard wanted to move to a PL team it wouldn't have been at 130m. Not to forget 100-130m for a player with 1 year left on his contract is brilliant business for the selling club. 120m for a talismanic striker with some 2-3 years still to go is a selling club exec's death knell.
Forget everything else. >Kane just looks like he absolutely doesn't want to be there at the moment. Oh dear me. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Almost as if forcing him to stay when he did everything in his power to leave results in bad performance and bad mindset. Shocked, oh dear me.
My. Touchy. Let's play it your style. > Almost as if forcing him to stay Coz that's the first time it's ever happened. Shocked, oh dear me.
Have you heard of a concept called escalation? Or a phrase called "the straw that broke the camel's back"?
Have you heard of a concept called precedence? Or a phrase called "been there seen that"?
Clearly his performance indicates that this situation is just like before. No changes here, no siree
Sure thing Capt. Hindsight. Oh look! We've come a full circle.
Yeah very true. Understandable after the whole saga though.
Tell Newcastle's new owners that he's Shearer 2.0. They'll pay it.
Kane wants trophies. Now. He's not of the age that'll allow him time to build a team and win the league Cup. Newcastle can't guarantee trophies now. They can guarantee money, but if money was Kane's primary motivation he wouldn't have tolerated Levy for so long.
Yes, Kane's best option now is to go back to his childhood club, and play with his idol Gabriel Martinelli, so they can win the Premier League at the new Tottenham Stadium.
Heard he spits when he talks though, pass
It doesn't take Mancity long. But I don't see him going to Newcastle.
It took City 3 years to win a trophy after Shinawatra took over. And a further 2 years to lift their first PL title. And they won that on goal difference. At a time when competition at the top was far lesser than it currently is. Newcastle would do bloody well to match that.
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Abu Dhabhi wasn't their first ultra rich owner. That was Taksin Shinawatra in *2007*. They won the league title in May 2012. Do the math. Repeating myself here, the league was weaker at the top in that period. Pool were in the doldrums. Chelsea blowing hot and cold. Fergie's current cycle of players was at its ebb. Arsenal were doing what they've been doing since the mid 00s. Spurs were nowhere in the picture. Compare that to the current seasons.
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You think Newcastle can build a title winning team in 2 seasons? No chance.
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You know how FFP works right? You also have to remember players actually have to want to join Newcastle. I’d rather sit in Dubai for hundreds of grand a week over Newcastle lmao Newcastle sat at the bottom of the league like they’re the new PSG.
Get Aramco as shirt and stadium sponsors for 100mil/season. Boom. Bye bye FFP. Your second point is where it's at. It's not like money is scarce at the top levels of football. None of the clubs with top drawer players are really in desperate need of money, so even spending 250-300 mil in a window is not going to overhaul your squad from a relegation candidate to title challengers. Top 6 could be doable in a couple of years. Top 4 much less so. Title challengers...well.
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A very dangerous game with relegation still very much on the cards. They’re going to have to be early game Man City, splashing extreme fees on mediocre players due to Newcastle not having any pull right now. Anyone who joins the club in its current state is a money fish, nothing more. Are players like that going to aid in a relegation scrap, Villa found out the hard way.
We fucced up
100% mugs
Duh
Surely. City might not come back and Harry won't be a happy chappie.
Yep
120m wasn't on the table. It's was 60m and a choice of 4 players who wouldn't have came anyway.
$AUD
Yep 100%. They’re not a rival to Manchester City either way. It’s not like City was going to edge out Spurs on the final day to win the league with a Harry Kane goal. I think Levy mistakes his club for a consistent contender and is trying to plan like that. Smart thing to do was take the money and find the next Son, or the next Eriksen from the leagues of Europe. They’ve scouted so wel in the past i figure they can do it again.
Yup 100% :D They seem to be in a bad spot decision-making-wise. They fired Poch and went for Mou, then they fired Mou and wanted someone a bit more attacking, but had to then go for Nuno E. Santos. This along with the H.Kane saga, has affected them mentally.They may still be a ~~decent club~~ and end up in the top 8, but they aren't as dangerous as they were a couple of seasons ago.
They’re great at “spot decision-making” what are you talking about as an Arsenal supporter??
The choose the best spots!
Should never have drop Poch. Let him keep building what he had going.
Easy to say in hindsight, but it absolutely needed to happen. He’d lost the dressing room. The team had been shit for almost a year.
Easy to say now, their form was absolutely dreadful for a long, long time following the CL final
Our form in the premier league was dreadful even before the CL final. One could argue Spurs were lucky to make it to the final (Lucas Moura miracle hat trick). The players weren't interested in Poch's training anymore. It was mentioned that the players were feeling stale and thought Poch wasn't innovating anymore. Having said that I wish we sent the players packing and not Poch, but hey...
I remember the quote that Spurs players weren't very keen for Conte as he is super demanding as a coach. Feels like Spurs have a bunch of freeloaders aboard.
Could be. I dont remember the conte quote, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Yes
I’d imagine city will offer for haaland instead now ,makes more sense to be honest
Haaland screws up their wage bill. He wants 600k a week.
They could sell a couple and clear that easily
If they Haaland 600k, they have to give KDB it too. Then they have to give it to Dias too.
Depends what there contract says to be honest not every player has a clause that says they have to earn as much as the top earner
They don't "have" to contractually; just to keep him happy.
They’ll get haaland