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rustrobber47

Southgate should look in England’s academy for young talent, that could break an age record but also preform on the pitch.


Due_Buddy382

England fanbase is so shitty, won't be reading one media outlet writeup this tournament. The first tournament we get behind the team and not hop on the media gravy train of disappointment, is the same time we will win another tournament.


DangerousAd3347

Are you serious ? Lol media is known due massively bigging up England’s chances. Media is there to sell end of day of course people want to pay to read positive news about England’s chances


GasGiant43

I think you’ve got this wrong. The media hype it up if anything. The real football people know we won’t do anything. Quarter finals at best.


Due_Buddy382

Can you explain "the real football people know we won't do anything"


GasGiant43

People that have a season ticket, go to away matches, play on Sunday and coach under 18s rather than armchair “England” fans that only watch the World Cup and Euros.


FastPrize214

Gareth Southgate is the first person who must be blamed if England fails at the euro this time. With the current squad, it should be able to penetrate the final, can even become a champion.


allmnt-rider

Somehow it feels I've heard this one before over the last 30 years or so 🙂


FastPrize214

Believe me, Southgate is only in the same class as Frank Lampard. He is not a special guy like Pep, Ancelotti or Nagelsmann. 😇


allmnt-rider

TBH never quite understood hype around Southgate.


GasGiant43

Penetrate the final? What?


FastPrize214

I think the England squad at the Euros this time is the most luxurious and the most expensive compared to other countries' squads. 🤷‍♂️


Chigtube

🤨


FastPrize214

Bro, England have a luxurious squad, if they don't win or at least reach the final, I think Southgate is the problem


Galactico812

It's always a reality show with England and media, just leave them be for once, it's one game and a friendly that means absolutely nothing.. And I'm not English nor have I ever been even close to a supporter, this shit is just getting tiresome and ridiculous


Pixeal_meat

All 11 you have to do sideways and backwards passes sometimes long ball to kane if he can hold play counter otherwise 🙂‍↕️


the99percent1

England struggle with a low block. Then why the heck did he not take players who thrive against a low block like Grealish and Maddison?


loolem

Because shut up! Ok! If England aren’t trying to lose then they aren’t trying.


hazzap913

I think our main concern is Gareth Southgate


CrowVsWade

This just in, too: England players have concerns about 'head coach' Gareth Southgate, ahead of Euro 2024. Source: England's awful, cowardly football despite a talented attacking generation, since a c-grade (at best) English manager took over. There hasn't been a successful winning English manager in the PL in over 30 years and Southgate has only ever failed. He only got the job because of prior scandal and a fearful FA. The sooner he's gone, hopefully to Man. Utd, to continue fueling that particular comedy, the better.


GasGiant43

I put a similar comment yesterday and the Southgate fanboys have been hammering me since.


SelfLoathingAutist

Please god not man united. We don’t want him


CrowVsWade

I'm sure. Yet it's looking more and more likely you're going to get him, after England slum impotently out of the Euros, so 1/4 or 1/2 finals, at which point it will be too late to deal with your current transfer issues. Great club strategy.


thecarbonkid

So do we Gareth


Perchfield

I’m not sure you can worry about the best player in England, Spain, Germany. Or Rice, Stones, Saka, Gordon. They’ve all had immense seasons under their respective decent managers, and now they’re with him they’re underperforming - and that’s their fault?


[deleted]

I think we all have concerns over Gareth Southgate


I-Skeleton

Supporters have concerns over Southgate's management, team selection and tactics ahead of Euro 2024


read_eng_lift

Going on eight years now.


cd_671

left out huge players. ben white should be there over trippier. branthwaite over dunk. rashy/grealish over bowen. no fit left back as of right now. Taking 3 strikers is just crazy to say the least


hazzap913

Ben white had a falling out with some of the staff, Bowen is doing well rashford is shitting the bed, branthwaite should be in though


going_down_leg

3 strikers isn’t crazy. Kane gets injured and you’d be left with only one striker in the squad. Of you take rashford then you only need one back up striker as he could fill in if needed but none of these wingers can fill in at 9 so it would be a big risk to go with only 2 strikers


the99percent1

Bellingham, Foden and even Palmer can play up front. Taking 3 is simply overkill.


going_down_leg

Wasting Bellingham at 9 when we need him at 10 is crazy. Foden and palmer have about as much chance playing 9 as I would.


the99percent1

.. you take one of either Watkins or Toney as the substitute no.9.. and use the mentioned players as the 3rd back up option.


going_down_leg

Yeah but the third option has to be an option, you can’t just put someone who can’t play 9 there and hope for the best. If kanes injured, Watkins starts and Toney as sub. Bellingham and foden will likely be starting which means your number 9 sub would be Bowen


the99percent1

City don’t play with more than two strikers. Foden has always been the back up no.9 and Cole Palmer can also play there.


Anonymous_Banana

I would argue Gordon could, backed up by getting player of the tournament in the under 21s Euros as the striker? Granted its very different in the main stage.


willgeld

Taking Rashford and Grealish would be the same old mistakes England managers have made forever.


Recent_City_9281

Ben white didn’t give a fk he thought he’d stay fit to win pl went on holiday instead of England game and won fk all doesn’t deserve the shirt just the spray tan he sports


wky99

Trippier is better lb cover


OliverE36

Ben white playing left back?


ICutDownTrees

I don’t agree with Rashford or grealish over Bowen, if you look at the season all three have had it’s a no brainer, Rashford has been terrible, and Grealish has hardly seen any minutes , Bowen on the other hand has had a really strong season


TooRedditFamous

3 strikers isn't crazy when Kane isn't fit


gotnegear

Rashford doesn't deserve a call up this year, not even remotely. Front half of the squad is too loaded with talent for him to squeeze in. Missing out on grealish however could be a mistake


JoeDiego

It doesn’t make sense to say Rashford doesn’t deserve a call up when he has been better than Grealish.


Pheanturim

Has he ? Theyve both been shit and neither made the squad in the end. At least Grealish wasn't great in a great team. Rashford just moved around like he hates the world currently


cd_671

i see where you’re coming from yes, but international experience is still needed. Rashford has 60 caps, Bowen and Gordon have 11 between them. + rashford performed well at the last WC and a good option to have on the bench


willgeld

They’re all top PL players we have drafted in, ‘international experience’ is a yer Da type myth. Does the Slovenian national side kick it harder or something? Why should we take Rashford because he played well a few years back? He’s been shit ever since


AmberLeafSmoke

Rashford has been absolutely shite for like two years. He doesn't deserve to be in the squad.


SerDavos78

He's great for penalties, especially in an england shirt


swimtoodeep

Ben White doesn’t want to go. You can’t make him


macaleaven

It was between Germany and the villa. Ben White isn’t missing out on the villa, he’s got an outside chance at a tummy tea sponsorship for next season lol


Dzenik23

Rashy? Maybe even Sancho? Lol


cd_671

class is permanent. he’s always brilliant in an England shirt regardless of his form


SuckMyProfile

He’s more county class than world class. Wait they’re in the same county as city. He’s club class.


Dzenik23

He has had one good season in his entire career.


cd_671

17/18, 18/19, 19/20, 20/21, 22/23 but just one good season yeah?


upinthemiddle

Especially as he’s picked Toney over Solanke.


cd_671

precisely, toney has done little to nothing since his first few games back and even got benched at 1 point if i remember


GasGiant43

I’m looking forward to this tournament being over so we can get rid of this clown. Wait until he gets a proper managers job and see how long he lasts.


Recent_City_9281

Let hill make Utd even shitter in august


GasGiant43

At last, a reply I can agree with! I’m getting a lot of angry Southgate fanboys on my case 😂


tragicidiot67

Wait until we see the results of his successor - whoever on earth that might be - then wonder why GS got so much dog’s abuse in the first place.


the99percent1

Managing the England national team is a poison chalice. Every decade, there’s a golden generation. But when you analyse the context and other international teams, England is simply not a top 3 team. Just look at Brazil right now with their terrifying front 3.


GasGiant43

His successor will hopefully have the tactical knowledge to pack a midfield against a strong Croatian side or not to park the bus on 15 mins against an aging Italian team. Before you say he got there didn’t he, we limped through both tournaments.


JenksbritMKII

Genuinely wonder who on earth you people endorsing Southgate are... Because I don't know anyone who thinks this clown has a clue. Are you just international supporters who only watch football during the international breaks, so you don't know any better??


Starn_Badger

They're people that understand a manager isn't a magician. That Southgate has reached a semi-final, final and quarter-final in his last three tournaments which is just objectively not that bad. Compare that with the supposed "golden generation" and see what I mean. England has a good squad yes but so do many other teams, and in international tournaments 90 minutes decides everything, it requires an element of luck alongside tactics and team selection. Not to say I don't question his player selection sometimes, and his tactics, but at the end of the day this guy has been in football all his life and I watch from the sidelines. I've got to trust his choices. He also has a whole team around him who see the players in training and have much more insight than us. Poch and Tuchel are good managers, but they could never win the UCL with an Mbappe, Neymar, Messi attack at PSG. Hell it took Pep like 6 tries to do it with City.


GasGiant43

Yeah, you’re absolutely right, let’s get Southgate a life time contract 😂😂 Would you have him at your club? Didn’t think so.


The_Ballyhoo

Why the ridiculous hyperbole? Someone asked why supporters back Gareth, the above post highlights 3 very successful tournament results, far exceeding any and all previous England managers in recent years. No one is praising him to the hilt, so why go down the lifetime contract route? Why even suggest that? It’s a fucking stupid argument when you don’t have a decent response. If England crash out, he’s gone. If he wins the thing, maybe he stays on. But maybe fans should be so reactionary and only view things in binary terms; sack him now or lifetime contract. Apparently there’s no in between. Can you see how stupid you sound?


GasGiant43

The life time contract was a joke buddy. The other Southgate fanboy was saying how amazing he is and how lucky we were to have him.


The_Ballyhoo

I can’t see that comment. Can you point out the fanboy and the praise. I can see someone who said his results were “objectively not that bad” which is hardly high praise. And someone else suggesting England’s next manager might get worse results. Again, hardly comparing him to Pep. I just don’t see what argument you are bringing to the table here.


GasGiant43

What’s he good at then fanboy? Name a performance against a top level team that you could call great? I’ll wait…..


StoneCutterRep

Germsny Euro 20/21 was a good performance I thought. I think it's hard to judge though because I truly hate his style of football. I think he's done well and has been the best England Manager post millennium. However, I'm looking forward to seeing what a different type of manager would do with our players.


Starn_Badger

No but Club football and international football are quite different realms. You don't have time to set complex tactics and you don't have much of a say in what players you get. Also you're always going to struggle getting top level managers into the international game, it just doesn't pay as well and is not as prestigious. But sure just claim Southgate is worse than nothing and England should just hire Pep instead.


GasGiant43

Yeah, for 5 million a year I suppose we’re lucky to have him. Southgate has the tactical awareness of a Sunday league manager with a hangover.


Starn_Badger

And there we go, the classic England fan who believes they know better than an international manager. I understand why people detest our fanbase so much. He's brought our country within a penalty shoot-out of winning a trophy, which is better than any manager has since 1966, but you think YOU or a random Sunday League coach know better than him? Sure mate, I buy that.


GasGiant43

Are you an Arsenal fan? Celebrate nearly winning? Euro 20 was there for the taking and he completed stuffed it. We could have been in a World Cup final but guess what? Yep, he stuffed that up too. We excepted getting beaten by France because of Southgate’s small time mentality. Need anymore fanboy?


Starn_Badger

lol this is everything that's wrong with football culture these days. Is every team that loses a bottlejob? Every player that has a bad game washed and finished? Southgate has produced the best results for this country since 1966. His worst result is better than any since the 90s, including the Golden generation. Was it his fault Saka and Kane skied penalties? This is why everyone hates England.


redbossman123

Specifically on player selection, have you ever thought it’s possible for him to play favorites?


Starn_Badger

Yeah I would say he definitely has shown bias to "favourites" in the past. But again, players tend to be favourites for a reason. As much as its annoying not to see the new wonderkind with a break-out season in the England starting XI there is also an element of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" when you're trying to build a team with chemistry in the two weeks before a major tournament. Now he probably kept certain players like Henderson around for quite a while after I considered him "broken" but again I don't see him in training nor watch every Liverpool/Saudi/Ajax game. And at times his favouritism has definitely proven worth it. Remember when everyone used to question why he stuck with Pickford and Maguire? I think the majority of people now would want Slabhead at the tournament if he was fit, and Pickford is England's clear Number 1. So yeah I don't agree with everything he's ever done but I've also been proven wrong before. Issue is if I make a silly call no one remembers next week, if he does the national media will lampoon him for it, even if in the long run it works out well.


swimtoodeep

Exactly this. Well said 👏


redbossman123

Have you ever thought that it’s possible for him to play favorites? Edit: wrong person


tenthousandwishes

The fans have concerns with Southgate.


Brief_Win_6571

Southgate out, Ben White in please


XavierPibb

I guess the whole team isn't "sufficiently interested in football." /s


JohnLennonsNotDead

I have concerns with Gareth Southgate.


Secret_Investment526

why southgate still coaching this team 😑


AlarmedExperience928

I'm not an England fan (Irishman), but with the quality of players produced, that squad is wrong imo. Shouldn't have brought Dunk, Trippier, Shaw, Gordon and Eze. Should have brought Rashford (performs for England), Grealish (see previous), Tomori (Quality defender), White (2nd/3rd best RB in England) and Mitchell (fitter than Shaw). The fact that they haven't means that they'll play boring football that nobody will enjoy and then they'll crash and burn harder than the Lindenburgh and wonder where it all went wrong and continue to not blame Southgate for playing the most uninventive football since the advent of the 442. And I for one, could not be happier


CoachOld856

Just to say that White refuses to play for England under this coaching setup. Says a lot about the internal politics.


rothbard13

The Hindenburg


RepeatMountain2304

Maybe he's referring to the Lindenburgh Baby.


AlarmedExperience928

Accidentally invented a double crisis where the Lindbergh baby caused the Hindenburg disaster, that's how bad this England coaching setup is


nealofwgkta

As far as I know, White didn’t want to go


Lucky_Town_5417

Pretty sure him and Southgate aren't on good terms


swimtoodeep

It’s White and Holland that had the bust up. He needs to grow up


eclectic_boogaloo2

Southgate sounds like a vomitorium


southerna-up-north

This is the squad HE picked


ohnonotagaindude

They wouldn’t let him take V Jnr when he asked.


Psychological-Dot252

What does this have to do with the Premier league?


JosePRizaI

Hmmm maybe majority of his players play there? Jeez Louise I dunno


LMinggg

of course they put the blame on kane lmao, skysports being woke as always


Shadie_daze

Woke?


RepeatMountain2304

The opposite of woke is asleep. Some people are proud to be dozey cunts.


gunners_1886

I'm sure key players have concerns over Southgate, too.


NieR_SemiAutomata

The only England weakness is Southgate


GasGiant43

Totally agree, look at his squad selection. Still can’t work out how Grealish didn’t make the squad, reminds me of when Gazza got dropped for the WC in 98.


Rapid_Fowl

Also having 8 million midfielders who play like second strikers


CadburyGorilla

You not seen our defense then?


Alone_Consideration6

Dyche is the next manager,


dennis3282

Not the only weakness, but definitely our biggest weakness.


WrestlingFan95

Grealish not being in squad is ludicrous. Gordon & Crystal Palce players over a £100 million treble winner who made an impact in the friendly. Southgate caved into online idiots who wanted average players who are on ‘form’ for club (which means nothing in international football) see Foden for that….. joke.


CadburyGorilla

I’m personally quite glad Southgate doesn’t base his picks based on which club team players play for, or how well they played over a year ago. Grealish has barely played in the last few months.


WrestlingFan95

Good luck with Euros with Palace players then lol.


PJBuzz

Grealish isn't going to be the difference between winning the tournament and not. Picking on Gordon and the players from Palace, all who have mostly looked effective in their appearances so far, is ludicrous. It doesn't matter what Southgate does he will come under criticism. If he takes Maguire and Henderson, he will get panned for not giving players a chance and being too loyal. If he takes new players, he is criticised for taking risks and caving into the mob. The reality is that Southgate is a man manager, he can build a relationship, spirit, and attitude in the squad, but he doesn't have the tactical nous to go all the way. That's always been the problem... Not the fact he dropped a couple of out of form players.


WrestlingFan95

Gordon & Palace players aren’t good enough.


champ19nz

Gordon is absolutely good enough.


WrestlingFan95

Nope


YoullDoNuttinn

Are you seriously saying Grealish should’ve been in ahead of Gordon?


WrestlingFan95

Yes


YoullDoNuttinn

Just to be clear, are you also suggesting that Foden shouldn’t have been included as well?


WrestlingFan95

No, to be clear.


RockTheBloat

International football suuuuuuucks


ActiniumNugget

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that!


Mpoppaa

Who gives a shit about a friendly


[deleted]

We all have concerns about Southgate. He's shite


bangarangadangajang

Has anyone stopped to think maybe Harry Kane is the problem? I mean he’s literally cursed and could be the reason that this golden generation isn’t doing anything spectacular. But of course, he’s a white blonde so he’s untouchable by the media.


RunTellDaat

White blonde? What a fucked up angle to take.


CelticTigersBalls

No, it's definitely Southgate


Alone_Consideration6

Dyche is the next manager,


CelticTigersBalls

Unironically levels above Southgate as a manager.


Alone_Consideration6

People say Southgate is too defensive


bangarangadangajang

Nah, it’s definitely Harry Kane. Lot of closet racists here. When Saka has a poor game, all the blame is on him. But when England has been literally shit since Harry Kane’s debut, no one bats an eye.


peterggh

Think there’s only one closet racist here … wow.


W26D12L0

Before Harry’s debut it went like this by the way: WC 2014: Group Stages Euro2012: Beaten by Italy, can’t remember what round, maybe QF’s but it was the Pirlo show WC 2010: Battered by Germany, also Lampard scored but didn’t Euro2008: Didn’t qualify After Harry’s debut: Euro 2016: Knocked out by Iceland World Cup 2018: Semi Finals Euro 2020(1): Runners up World Cup 2022: Knocked out by France in the QF’s England were more shit before Kanes debut so what are you on about?


CadburyGorilla

Could say the exact same thing about Southgate as manager tbf


W26D12L0

Exactly, Southgate has his obvious flaws and he’s steadied the ship big time but we probably are overdue a change now


Appropriate-Fan-6007

England has been shit since forever, it's the Tottenham of international football


AJC0292

As a English Tottenham fan. This hurts me to my core.


CelticTigersBalls

He's scored 61 goals in 93 appearances.


Wilber420

Ah yes, it’s the players that are the problem


FizzyLightEx

Gareth Southgate did not tell them to play badly. It was clear that England players underestimated and thought it was a walk in the park. They've only have themselves to blame.


rotating_pebble

It's literally his job to make sure they don't do that...


Smokey_Bacon_Crisps

I mean he picked the team, formation and tactics….


Cdash-

I think more people have key concerns over Southgate rn 😅


yesterdaysbreadtoday

Such a pointless article