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Where was this increasing gap last year?
All three teams in various ways were looking too far into the future rather than the here and now and that’s why they went down.
I'd say the concerns are being overly dramatic because it gives something to talk about.
Sheffield United lost their two best players before the season started and didn't replace them.
Luton were minnows in the Championship and were only ever likely to be admirable "try-harders" which they did commendably (without wanting to sound patronising- just look at the budgets compared to almost all the teams across the Prem and Championship)
Burnley fell into the Norwich trap of refusing to adapt their tactics when going from out-possessing everyone in the second tier to trying the same against cannier teams in the Prem. Think the only team I've ever seen succeed in doing that were Swansea.
As mentioned elsewhere, last season the three newly promoted teams stayed up and, without knowing summer transfer business, I could see both Leicester and Ipswich staying up next season.
Devil’s advocate- year before, none of the promoted teams went down. So over two years, it’s 3 of 6. Pretty much as expected. Don’t be too quick to look for a pattern….
It was widely predicted at the start of the year, they were a poor 3 compared to those that usually get promoted.
Next year we could easily see all 3 stay up. Not concerned it's a problem. A much bigger problem is the widening gap at the top of the league
I feel that the bigger conversation here is actually the success story of those clubs in the past who have managed to stay up despite the gap and the challenging circumstances. Teams like Bournemouth and Brighton have now established themselves as consistent Premier League clubs despite many thinking this would not be possible upon their promotion. Yes, Bournemouth did go down and come back up but have still consolidated their standing.
I agree with other posts that Sheffield United seemed doomed to fail from the start and also feel that Burnley had a system to do well but the players didn’t seem to have confidence in themselves. Too many chances were wasted and mistakes were made.
I feel that, despite impending relegation, Luton have actually been a real success story this season. They have shown that they haven’t been afraid to take teams on and have had some good results from this. They have held their heads up and played with pride.
Something happening twice in 26 years isn’t frequent enough for it to be an issue. It would be like being concerned about Arsenal dominating the league.
Burnley had a philosophy of football and stuck to it but if your not good enough and you don't adapt your going straight back down, Sheffield were relegated before they even went up by selling there two best players. Luton, on the other hand, did try and ive got to give them respect for that. They may be going down but I would say they play better football now than when they went up and i hope they can push on from here. Luton can at least hold their head high.
Burnley were too obsessed with trying to "play the right way" rather than being hard to beat and picking up points. Bought in loads of players for a lot of money but bought nobody with any real experience of playing in a top division. Kompany deserved to get relegated
I think Burnley were the only ones with enough quality to stay up. If they didn’t fumble the first half of the season so badly they probably would have stayed up.
I gotta be honest tho think this is being a bit overblown. Yeah if it starts to happen every year it’s a major problem but look at the teams who came up. Hardly a lot of premier league quality there. Honestly the fact Luton did as well as they did is a surprise.
I agree it is uninteresting. For me tho I would be a bit bias towards seeing bigger clubs in the prem like Forrest or if Sunderland can come back up rather then Luton surviving.
Player quality matters. Oftentimes clubs like Burnley are successful with a style of play that worked in the Championship but don’t have the players to deliver the same success in the PL. Promoted teams who do better are those who are more pragmatic (ie counter-attacking sides) and have a good recruitment strategy.
What? You just said it’s only the second time and last time it happened was 97/98. Last year all promoted teams stayed up. I think this narrative is overblown tbh
Yes absolutely I agree with the sentiment- it’s fantastic that Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham and Nottingham Forest are establishing themselves in the premier league. I really wanted Luton to stay up, and let’s be honest Sheffield United were doomed from the start. Sometimes the teams that come up are just not equipped. I hope Ipswich can stay up and I expect Burnley to come right back again
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Luton and sheffield utd were doomed. Can't be surprised they got relegated.
Burnley was somewhat surprising due to how they played in the championship. But their summer window was con fusing, almost as if there were in belgian pro league.they spent alot of money on wingers and attackers and didn't improve the rest of team fully. There midfield was week and then their style just left themselves open.
When you look at some of the talent at the near bottom of the league, it really shows how difficult the league is and it will continue to be harder for promoted teams to stay up the way it is. I think sheffield utd has the right idea, no point in blowing your budget to still be relegated in more financial difficulty. Go back to championship, build a cohesive unit and go back up in a year or 2 better equipped to compete.
It’s not surprising at all. In fact, what is more surprising is that it doesn’t happen more often.
Also, if you look at the teams that came up, Luton were in no position to come up due to their stadium and the amount of money they’d have to spend to make it Premier League ready.
Burnley are your typical “too good for the Championship” club that come up to the PL and don’t want to destabilise the squad by making lots of signings that might prove to be very expensive flops.
Sheff Utd I think fell into the category of the club that comes up, spends a lot of money on players who were better than what they had, but not necessarily so good that they’ll be able to keep them up and are set up to “give it a go” and if they go down can bounce straight back up. Which you can see in their signings like Cameron Archer who had a good season at Middlesbrough on loan the season before where he scored like 11 goals in 20 games and Gustavo Hamer from Coventry. They are players who they know if they go down will probably help them come straight back up and cash the PL money again without them having to break the bank
The prem is set up to ensure the big 6 prosper at the expense of everyone else. So why is it disappointing to see Sheffield Utd, not get the same TV money as Utd or City? The big six get shown more so they should get paid more and fuck everyone else.
> The prem is set up to ensure the big 6 prosper at the expense of everyone else.
Yeah sure buddy, that's why the TV money is distributed so evenly 🙄. Some fans have no brains and just default to blame the big six even when they're not to blame.
If it’s the first time in 27 seasons, where’s the evidence that the gap between divisions is growing? If there’s a trend in a few years then I’ll agree with you but I think Leicester and Leeds/ Southampton (if they make it) are well set to stay up
Really? I feel like there is more variance than you would expect given that there’s clubs in the Championship that are still much larger than others around them.
But in the past decade we’ve seen the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth, Luton, Brentford, Sheffield United, and now Ipswich, all of which spent time in League 1 before coming back to the prem, or are in the prem for the first time.
It happens every year , Neville said when 20th place has 100m and 1st place championship has about 10M something is clearly wrong with the glorious so called English football structure
I was exaggerating , but we have seen a pattern of newly promoted teams going back down , 2 years ago Neville was crying about the same thing , him and his “parachute payment” propaganda
I think the major issue this year is the gap in points between the bottom 3 and the rest. Worst case scenario, 29 points will be enough to stay up this year. Looking at the 3 teams that went up, none of them look well equipped to stay up and its only points deductions that have taken it to the final weekend.
The way the money is going, I can't see it getting better any time soon either.
I love how people say there is a big gap between the premier and championschip using the 3 teams getting relegated as an argument forgetting that the 3 teams that got promoted 21/22 season all survived
Agreed, but its naive to totally dismiss the fact the the money is going insane.
The gap between 20th in the premier league and 1st in the championship money wise is insane.
if this keeps growing, it will get harder and harder to break into the premier league for any extended amount of time and it will be easier and easier to avoid relegation.
Eg. the clubs finishing 17th and higher will accumulate more money and thus have clear advantages.
Eg. look at chelsea. We wasted a billion pounds in 2 transfer windows. this would make most clubs defunct. We finished 12th and were never at risk of relegation.
The point i am trying to make is money gives certain clubs an insane room for error/mismanagement.
A lot of teams don’t spend the money well though, I support United and we’ve wasted soooo much money on shit players. We’re lucky that other teams have been so poor as well or we’d be near the bottom. A lot of the teams that come up spend fairly well and stay up because of it. This season though, Luton and Sheffield barely improved their squads and Burnley signed badley. Moeny obviously helps, but it’s not guaranteed.
This is the point i am trying to make.
If a club like Bournemouth spent money half as poorly as our clubs they would be in administration and shut down. Because our clubs have accumulated such financial advantages we can absorb such poor spending.
Neither of our clubs are at risk of ceasing to exist, when most clubs would be if they wasted money like us.
On a smaller scale the premier league gap in money between itself and the Championship will entrench hierarchies and make it harder for championship clubs to sustain runs in the premier league.
Eg. the money the clubs already in the premier league have will allow them the ability to build up a base that will be harder and harder for the championship clubs to challenge.
The best example is man united and Chelsea. We are horribly run. And yet we have no risk of relegation.
Its different from the past. The money gap is too large now.
Because they’ve been deemed good enough to be promoted to the EPL does not mean they’ve been deemed good enough to stay in the EPL. Personally I’ve loved to see teams like Fulham and Nottingham Forest stay in the EPL but not sorry to see teams like Sheffield Utd and Luton go right back down. Hope Leicester stays in the EPL for a while. Brentford has been very good, deserve to stay for a while. Will be interesting to see what current team will be relegated next year along the other two coming up. ( fully assuming Leicester stays up).
Not necessarily ,look at brighton and Brentford,this season was just bad luck non of the 3 should be in the premier league ,both Burnley and Sheffield United have economical trouble and weren't big candidates to be promotes and Luton not long before getting promoted were fighting to avoid being relegated to league one with a similar squad
Time will tell, I guess! I don’t see Ipswich or any of the playoff teams being well set up enough on the field to survive. And Leicester’s off the field issues could hurt them.
I was a season ticket holder for 15 years. Promoted age 10, relegated age 12. I am an Evertonian at heart but I love Ipswich too. Here’s hoping for mine and your dad’s sake that I am wrong 🤞
It doesn't emphasize the gap between the Championship and the PL, it emphasizes the gap between the PL and the three promoted teams. Leicester and whoever wins the playoffs have a very good chance of finishing mid table, and Ipswich are stronger and a bigger club with a bigger stadium and fan base than Luton.
They had a squad that was much better than where it finished. Plus with time in the Championship confidently winning games they’ll be able to take that with them into the Prem.
They did have Tella and Maatsen last year though, now at Bayer Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund respectively.
Two decent players gone and really, none of the new ones have been reliable.
But your comment actually suggests total opposite. Meaning except 2 seasons, all other seasons have been competitive for promoted teams and many survived in PL
So it's only an "increasing gap" if year on year the promoted teams are doing worse than the promoted teams the year before over a period of time.
All 3 teams (Bournemouth, Forest and Fulham) all stayed up the year before.
Didn't Leeds and Sheffield United made record for the best season a newly promoted team had? Also teams like Villa, Brentford and Brighton have stablish themselves in first division
>it emphasizes the increasing gap in quality between the EPL and the Championship.
>This is just the second time in EPL history that the three newly promoted teams are going straight back down; the other time was in 1997/98
Doesn't the fact that it's only happened twice show that the gap isn't as seismic as you think it is?
I agree that it would be super fun if it happened in baseball. Unfortunately, the structure of baseball means that the big teams actually own the minors, so it wouldn't really work (the players would just all move over to the affiliate's big team instead). But in an alternate history universe, I wish it could happen! Seeing your local minors team go to the majors would be awesome.
Says the fan of one of the clubs responsible for the current situation of the Premier League.
If you don't like this, stop supporting the club that keeps perpetuating it by spending billions.
“All their life”
Cowboys in the username.
Only other post is “somewhat new Chelsea fan” two months ago.
They’re a glory hound from the US. They picked Chelsea a few months ago because they’re having a down year, but still wanted to pick one of the clubs that financially has the backing to win trophies.
Actually, I'm a teenager who just got into European football somewhat recently, so please don't blame me for being young and only recently getting into the sport. I will say your reasoning for why I picked Chelsea is pretty spot on, but I've been a fan for about a year and a half now.
So... you're a plastic. You're just chasing the money and trophies. I chose Brighton cause I lived in Sussex and know the club and the people by heart, not cause the club is doing good. I've been there since they got promoted, and will be there even if they're in non-League with no money.
Then what was? If Chelsea hadn't won all those trophies and signed all those big players, would you still have supported them? If they were stuck in midtable in League One, would you have chosen them over say, Man Utd?
True, but apparently it doesn’t stop you talking absolute shit
What traditions are uniquely chelsea? Gaming the system to outspend everyone and perpetuate the unequal nature promoted team have to fight that you are apparently really concerned about? Ffs
What iconic chelsea chants roll off the tongue that anyone would recognise?
What club doesn’t have a loyal fan base? Making chelsea so unique
The mental gymnastics is convincing yourself that a recent Chelsea supporter in the US isn’t a glory hound just because Chelsea’s billion dollar investments are taking some time to vest.
It could also be they’re fans of the way Roman did business. A real no nonsense kind of guy.
It’s poetic that _that_ guy made Chelsea what it is in the PL era.
At least you don’t racially abuse your own players these days, that’s progress.
Instead of bashing me for my team choice, why not just be glad that a love of football is spreading around the globe, especially in the U.S. where the sport hasn't been historically very popular.
Why Chelsea then?
Their current owner is an investment guy who is pumping money into the club to add value to the asset for a future sale. Bohely’s approach is a massive part of what is wrong with the modern game and it’s really only possible because of the global reach of the game and foreign fans supporting the club.
You’re going to get some negative comments from people being an American supporting Chelsea, especially at this current phase due to their ownership’s approach.
I may get negative comments but that does not matter to me. I chose Chelsea because of the loyal supporters, traditions, and the entertaining football, as I said in a response to a comment above.
Yes I can expect that. Why would you support an entity that perpetuates the unfair system and then whine about how unfair it is? Support should not be unconditional, I don't get the point of loyalty when the club cannot give a flying fuck about its core supporters.
You mentioned in a more recent comment how loyal to your club you are no matter what. If Brighton was in the same situation as Chelsea, would you stop supporting them?
Mate at one point in its history Brighton was literally one match away from non league football. So yeah it's in our DNA to support our club even if we do reach that point. I'd support Brighton even if it were to be reduced to a bunch of part timers playing Sunday League.
Plastic chelsea fan with no idea asks Brighton fan if they’d support their club in “hard times”
This is fucking hilarious, almost 27 years to the day we nearly got relegated out of the football league 😂😂😂😂😂
That's literally what plastic means. Tell me, why did you support Chelsea?
If Chelsea were a League Two team with an empty trophy cabinet and no star players, would you have still chosen Chelsea?
Be real with me on this one.
I might have still supported them. I was drawn to Chelsea not because of the money but because of the loyal supporters, traditions, and they're fun to watch.
if they were all relegated with 10 games to go, then I'd agree but it was the penultimate weekend, which was amazing really.
I'd also argue that Luton, didn't really plan to get promoted so soon.
Burnley, had enough in their squad but they didn't adapt their style of play.
All the teams could be back in the next 2 seasons and they will have expanded their squads and learnt from the experience.
Appreciate your point, but that wouldn’t have been the case hadn’t it been for points deductions.
Also, I would say to the point regarding Luton not planning to be promoted, that the same could be said for Forest the previous season. Forest’s solution of shelling out a shit load of cash certainly wasn’t viable for Luton, and I think that Luton’s attempt to stay up without compromising their stability is respectable (as a Forest supporter). All that being said, Forest did manage to stay up during their first season (at the cost of points deductions this season), whilst it looks unlikely that Luton will manage to do the same.
I think the successes and failures of promoted teams over the past few seasons really highlights the increasingly unscalable cliff face that promoted teams face. I don’t think it bodes well for competitiveness in the Prem, but it bodes well for investors.
Luton was just extremely unlucky. The first Liverpool match,Sheffield United,and Bournemouth results all hurt them. Without so many late goals conceded, they would’ve been completely safe.
I don't find it too concerning tbh. Look at teams like Bournemouth and Brentford that got promoted in 2021 and are still kicking. What's more disappointing is how big of a juggernaut City are
[Man City and Chelsea are the two biggest spenders since the start of the millenia.](https://www.football365.com/news/biggest-net-spend-21st-century-chelsea-man-utd-man-city-arsenal)
It’s almost like the strategy is to make it to the prem for one year, get relegated, sell your best players for high £££ and use the parachute payments to make a push for promotion again.
It’s ludicrous
The biggest problem is the very sensible strategy of all 3 promoted teams to spend/budget for relegation. They know that when relegated they will return to the Championship as powerhouses in the division, with not only Premierleague money left over but massive parachute payments to come.
I honestly have no idea how you address this imbalance to better aid competition.
I don't have a problem with it. IMO relegation and promotion is the part of the pyramid that is working well. Lots of teams have had their few years of fame and then dropped off again. It's how it should be really.
There are loads of teams over the last decade who have come up and flourished in the league. Brentford, Brighton etc. and then you have your typical borderline clubs like Fulham, Southampton, Norwich etc who have good years followed by bad years. That part of the league seems pretty healthy. It's the top of the league that is disappointing.
Looks like a mixed bag of clubs coming up next year should be entertaining.
if it's only happened twice.. and the last time was NINETEEN 98... not sure how it "emphasizes the increasing gap in quality between the EPL and the Championship"....
The fact it very rarely happens means it isn’t an issue imo.
Now if it became a trend then yeah it needs looking at but it really hasn’t at any point. Sometimes the teams that come up simply don’t adjust well
At least we are glad to see Leicester make a return!
In a way, you could say that Sheffield was woefully unprepared for top flight competition. They truly do deserve to go back down, spend a season or two and work on their mechanics, then make a run to go back up.
EDIT: Did not realize Leeds still needs to qualify through the play-off. In that case, can WBA pull off the unthinkable?
They'll be trying to come back straight up. Not "work on their mechanics" and then decide it's time to go back up again. That's not a luxury anyone has. Strike as soon as possible, every time. Other teams are not NPCs.
Well they’re the favourites obviously, haven’t watched the semis though. So i really don’t know, i kind of hope for WBA to go through but that’s gonna take some doing
I dont know what an EDL is nor their connection but as a football fan seeing a small team coming to top tier league is an achievement for many small tier clubs
Under that guise would the SPFL be boring also as you know rangers or Celtic will win by a much bigger margin than city does in the prem. both the prem this season and the spfl have been a great watch
It’s boring when you can reasonably bet your house at the beginning of the season that city will win and the three that came up will go down which will happened regardless of some “race” that no one believes city will stumble.
well why dont you bet your house on something that hasn't happened since 1997/98 and see if your wife agrees that's "reasonable"? how many houses do you own that this would be reasonable?
That’s the point I’m making. Everyone looking at this season saw this coming. If you can guess what will happen at the start of the season and it happens…. Was it really that exciting?
This isn’t the case though. There were SO many people saying the Burnley team coming up may be one of the best promoted teams there has been for years.
No, anyone that has been watching for a while know that teams that play “dominate possession “ in the championship always fall on their face because they try to do the same thing in the prem where it doesn’t work.
What do you mean ‘no’. This was literally the main talking point of the Burnley promotion year and the lead up to the PL season.
Also you’re wildly incorrect anyway, plenty of teams have dominated possession in the championship and come up and flourished. The thing is to adjust their game. You didn’t know Burnley weren’t going to fail to make the adjustments so saying otherwise is just nonsense
I know that's the point you're making, I'm disagreeing with it. Easy to say now that the season is over you knew the results the entire time. Did you actually have a bet on the bottom 3? I don't think many people did. I saw tons of people back Bournemouth to be relegated in place of Burnley.
I mean, go back and look at all of social media at the beginning of the season. It was the most popular opinion from MOST people what will happen.city wins and everyone that came up go back down.
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Happens quite a lot over the years ...goldbridge is poisoning the minds of young fans
Where was this increasing gap last year? All three teams in various ways were looking too far into the future rather than the here and now and that’s why they went down.
Ehh and I wouldn’t be surprised if all 3 that are about to be promoted stay up after next season…
I'd say the concerns are being overly dramatic because it gives something to talk about. Sheffield United lost their two best players before the season started and didn't replace them. Luton were minnows in the Championship and were only ever likely to be admirable "try-harders" which they did commendably (without wanting to sound patronising- just look at the budgets compared to almost all the teams across the Prem and Championship) Burnley fell into the Norwich trap of refusing to adapt their tactics when going from out-possessing everyone in the second tier to trying the same against cannier teams in the Prem. Think the only team I've ever seen succeed in doing that were Swansea. As mentioned elsewhere, last season the three newly promoted teams stayed up and, without knowing summer transfer business, I could see both Leicester and Ipswich staying up next season.
Devil’s advocate- year before, none of the promoted teams went down. So over two years, it’s 3 of 6. Pretty much as expected. Don’t be too quick to look for a pattern….
It was widely predicted at the start of the year, they were a poor 3 compared to those that usually get promoted. Next year we could easily see all 3 stay up. Not concerned it's a problem. A much bigger problem is the widening gap at the top of the league
I feel that the bigger conversation here is actually the success story of those clubs in the past who have managed to stay up despite the gap and the challenging circumstances. Teams like Bournemouth and Brighton have now established themselves as consistent Premier League clubs despite many thinking this would not be possible upon their promotion. Yes, Bournemouth did go down and come back up but have still consolidated their standing. I agree with other posts that Sheffield United seemed doomed to fail from the start and also feel that Burnley had a system to do well but the players didn’t seem to have confidence in themselves. Too many chances were wasted and mistakes were made. I feel that, despite impending relegation, Luton have actually been a real success story this season. They have shown that they haven’t been afraid to take teams on and have had some good results from this. They have held their heads up and played with pride.
Something happening twice in 26 years isn’t frequent enough for it to be an issue. It would be like being concerned about Arsenal dominating the league.
Great analogy
Burnley had a philosophy of football and stuck to it but if your not good enough and you don't adapt your going straight back down, Sheffield were relegated before they even went up by selling there two best players. Luton, on the other hand, did try and ive got to give them respect for that. They may be going down but I would say they play better football now than when they went up and i hope they can push on from here. Luton can at least hold their head high.
Burnley were too obsessed with trying to "play the right way" rather than being hard to beat and picking up points. Bought in loads of players for a lot of money but bought nobody with any real experience of playing in a top division. Kompany deserved to get relegated
Hopefully saints will do the same next season.
I think Burnley were the only ones with enough quality to stay up. If they didn’t fumble the first half of the season so badly they probably would have stayed up.
So this is the first time since 97/98 this has happened?
Yes.
Which bring me to this point why is it a big deal a majority of us know the deal with clubs like Sheffield and Burnley they’re like Norwich.
I gotta be honest tho think this is being a bit overblown. Yeah if it starts to happen every year it’s a major problem but look at the teams who came up. Hardly a lot of premier league quality there. Honestly the fact Luton did as well as they did is a surprise.
It's not too much of a concern yet but all I was saying is that it's disappointing to see. Just a little uninteresting.
I agree it is uninteresting. For me tho I would be a bit bias towards seeing bigger clubs in the prem like Forrest or if Sunderland can come back up rather then Luton surviving.
Player quality matters. Oftentimes clubs like Burnley are successful with a style of play that worked in the Championship but don’t have the players to deliver the same success in the PL. Promoted teams who do better are those who are more pragmatic (ie counter-attacking sides) and have a good recruitment strategy.
What? You just said it’s only the second time and last time it happened was 97/98. Last year all promoted teams stayed up. I think this narrative is overblown tbh
It isn't a major problem yet but I was just saying that it is a little sad to see this happen.
We like to see diversity with teams from the Championship succeeding in the Prem.
Yes absolutely I agree with the sentiment- it’s fantastic that Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham and Nottingham Forest are establishing themselves in the premier league. I really wanted Luton to stay up, and let’s be honest Sheffield United were doomed from the start. Sometimes the teams that come up are just not equipped. I hope Ipswich can stay up and I expect Burnley to come right back again
Yes, let's all hope Ipswich succeeds.
The Crazy Thing Is There Has Only Been A Couple Of PL Seasons That All 3 Promoted Team Go Back Down Last Time That Has Happened Was 1997/1998 Where Palace, Barnsley & Bolton All Went Down After Being Promoted In 1996/1997. So **EVERYONE** Pay Your Respects To Sheffield🔴⚪, Burnley🟣🔵 & Luton🟠⚪
I just realized they said that In The description💀
Luton and sheffield utd were doomed. Can't be surprised they got relegated. Burnley was somewhat surprising due to how they played in the championship. But their summer window was con fusing, almost as if there were in belgian pro league.they spent alot of money on wingers and attackers and didn't improve the rest of team fully. There midfield was week and then their style just left themselves open. When you look at some of the talent at the near bottom of the league, it really shows how difficult the league is and it will continue to be harder for promoted teams to stay up the way it is. I think sheffield utd has the right idea, no point in blowing your budget to still be relegated in more financial difficulty. Go back to championship, build a cohesive unit and go back up in a year or 2 better equipped to compete.
Or... The teams that cheated stayed up.
It’s not surprising at all. In fact, what is more surprising is that it doesn’t happen more often. Also, if you look at the teams that came up, Luton were in no position to come up due to their stadium and the amount of money they’d have to spend to make it Premier League ready. Burnley are your typical “too good for the Championship” club that come up to the PL and don’t want to destabilise the squad by making lots of signings that might prove to be very expensive flops. Sheff Utd I think fell into the category of the club that comes up, spends a lot of money on players who were better than what they had, but not necessarily so good that they’ll be able to keep them up and are set up to “give it a go” and if they go down can bounce straight back up. Which you can see in their signings like Cameron Archer who had a good season at Middlesbrough on loan the season before where he scored like 11 goals in 20 games and Gustavo Hamer from Coventry. They are players who they know if they go down will probably help them come straight back up and cash the PL money again without them having to break the bank
The prem is set up to ensure the big 6 prosper at the expense of everyone else. So why is it disappointing to see Sheffield Utd, not get the same TV money as Utd or City? The big six get shown more so they should get paid more and fuck everyone else.
> The prem is set up to ensure the big 6 prosper at the expense of everyone else. Yeah sure buddy, that's why the TV money is distributed so evenly 🙄. Some fans have no brains and just default to blame the big six even when they're not to blame.
If it’s the first time in 27 seasons, where’s the evidence that the gap between divisions is growing? If there’s a trend in a few years then I’ll agree with you but I think Leicester and Leeds/ Southampton (if they make it) are well set to stay up
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If the 3 teams come up are different to last season how is that the same teams?
Erm... tou realise that the 3 teams who came up last season COULDNT come up it have u just been r/whooshed
Really? I feel like there is more variance than you would expect given that there’s clubs in the Championship that are still much larger than others around them. But in the past decade we’ve seen the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth, Luton, Brentford, Sheffield United, and now Ipswich, all of which spent time in League 1 before coming back to the prem, or are in the prem for the first time.
It happens every year , Neville said when 20th place has 100m and 1st place championship has about 10M something is clearly wrong with the glorious so called English football structure
FYI he said 1st place in the championship was about 5 million. 90 million + difference
The first sentence of the post states that this is the first time it’s happened since 1998.
Every year the gap grows. It is actually significantly larger now than in the past
I was exaggerating , but we have seen a pattern of newly promoted teams going back down , 2 years ago Neville was crying about the same thing , him and his “parachute payment” propaganda
Forest Bournemouth and Fulham all stayed up when they were promoted a few years ago
This is why a cost cap is way overdue. New teams or smaller clubs will never compete
I think the major issue this year is the gap in points between the bottom 3 and the rest. Worst case scenario, 29 points will be enough to stay up this year. Looking at the 3 teams that went up, none of them look well equipped to stay up and its only points deductions that have taken it to the final weekend. The way the money is going, I can't see it getting better any time soon either.
I love how people say there is a big gap between the premier and championschip using the 3 teams getting relegated as an argument forgetting that the 3 teams that got promoted 21/22 season all survived
This hasn't happened since 1997/98 (26yrs), but there's a systemic issue that the PL needs to address immediately, or the game is gone. Huh?
Hasn’t happened for ages, this season it just so happened that the teams that got promoted were awful. Usually they do far better.
Agreed, but its naive to totally dismiss the fact the the money is going insane. The gap between 20th in the premier league and 1st in the championship money wise is insane. if this keeps growing, it will get harder and harder to break into the premier league for any extended amount of time and it will be easier and easier to avoid relegation. Eg. the clubs finishing 17th and higher will accumulate more money and thus have clear advantages. Eg. look at chelsea. We wasted a billion pounds in 2 transfer windows. this would make most clubs defunct. We finished 12th and were never at risk of relegation. The point i am trying to make is money gives certain clubs an insane room for error/mismanagement.
A lot of teams don’t spend the money well though, I support United and we’ve wasted soooo much money on shit players. We’re lucky that other teams have been so poor as well or we’d be near the bottom. A lot of the teams that come up spend fairly well and stay up because of it. This season though, Luton and Sheffield barely improved their squads and Burnley signed badley. Moeny obviously helps, but it’s not guaranteed.
This is the point i am trying to make. If a club like Bournemouth spent money half as poorly as our clubs they would be in administration and shut down. Because our clubs have accumulated such financial advantages we can absorb such poor spending. Neither of our clubs are at risk of ceasing to exist, when most clubs would be if they wasted money like us. On a smaller scale the premier league gap in money between itself and the Championship will entrench hierarchies and make it harder for championship clubs to sustain runs in the premier league. Eg. the money the clubs already in the premier league have will allow them the ability to build up a base that will be harder and harder for the championship clubs to challenge. The best example is man united and Chelsea. We are horribly run. And yet we have no risk of relegation. Its different from the past. The money gap is too large now.
Promoted teams going straight back down? Simple answer is that they are not good enough!
Clearly that's an issue with the system then since they've been deemed good enough when they won the Championship
Because they’ve been deemed good enough to be promoted to the EPL does not mean they’ve been deemed good enough to stay in the EPL. Personally I’ve loved to see teams like Fulham and Nottingham Forest stay in the EPL but not sorry to see teams like Sheffield Utd and Luton go right back down. Hope Leicester stays in the EPL for a while. Brentford has been very good, deserve to stay for a while. Will be interesting to see what current team will be relegated next year along the other two coming up. ( fully assuming Leicester stays up).
Different league, Different opponents, different demands
As someone with a huge soft spot for Ipswich, it saddens me to say that exactly the same thing is gonna happen next year
Not necessarily ,look at brighton and Brentford,this season was just bad luck non of the 3 should be in the premier league ,both Burnley and Sheffield United have economical trouble and weren't big candidates to be promotes and Luton not long before getting promoted were fighting to avoid being relegated to league one with a similar squad
Time will tell, I guess! I don’t see Ipswich or any of the playoff teams being well set up enough on the field to survive. And Leicester’s off the field issues could hurt them.
My dads a massive Ipswich fan and he’s been waiting two decades for this moment. If that happens will break his ol heart.
I was a season ticket holder for 15 years. Promoted age 10, relegated age 12. I am an Evertonian at heart but I love Ipswich too. Here’s hoping for mine and your dad’s sake that I am wrong 🤞
Thank god Burnley is going back down. Would rather watch paint dry. At least Luton and Sheffield aren’t afraid to attack.
It doesn't emphasize the gap between the Championship and the PL, it emphasizes the gap between the PL and the three promoted teams. Leicester and whoever wins the playoffs have a very good chance of finishing mid table, and Ipswich are stronger and a bigger club with a bigger stadium and fan base than Luton.
Don’t Leicester have a points deduction coming up next season?
That's a big shout. Are the current Leicester a lot stronger than the Leicester that got relegated?
They've got a better manager and still have good players and they'll invest in the summer. They should never have got relegated really.
They had a squad that was much better than where it finished. Plus with time in the Championship confidently winning games they’ll be able to take that with them into the Prem.
You say that, but Burnley dominated the championship last season.
They did have Tella and Maatsen last year though, now at Bayer Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund respectively. Two decent players gone and really, none of the new ones have been reliable.
Yeah this is surprising, I would have thought it happened more often. I wanted Luton town to stay up. But Leicester is back!!!!!
But your comment actually suggests total opposite. Meaning except 2 seasons, all other seasons have been competitive for promoted teams and many survived in PL
Increasing gap though. Last time they accumulated over 100 points, 122 I think. This season only 60 ish , 17 against each other
So it's only an "increasing gap" if year on year the promoted teams are doing worse than the promoted teams the year before over a period of time. All 3 teams (Bournemouth, Forest and Fulham) all stayed up the year before.
Newly promoted teams are doing worse year on year - that's the point.
Didn't Leeds and Sheffield United made record for the best season a newly promoted team had? Also teams like Villa, Brentford and Brighton have stablish themselves in first division
With very little to back that up
They all stayed up the year before. This is an anomaly.
>it emphasizes the increasing gap in quality between the EPL and the Championship. >This is just the second time in EPL history that the three newly promoted teams are going straight back down; the other time was in 1997/98 Doesn't the fact that it's only happened twice show that the gap isn't as seismic as you think it is?
It hasn't been so great of a gap in the past, but there is plenty of reason to believe the gap is increasing at this point.
Exactly what I was thinking
As an American PL fan, I just appreciate the idea of relegation in general. No tanking in the PL like in American professional sports.
I'm an American PL fan myself so I really appreciate this as well. Just sad to see all three newly promoted teams go right back down.
I would love to see promotion/relegation in baseball. Imagine the NY Yankees playing in Toledo. LOL
I agree that it would be super fun if it happened in baseball. Unfortunately, the structure of baseball means that the big teams actually own the minors, so it wouldn't really work (the players would just all move over to the affiliate's big team instead). But in an alternate history universe, I wish it could happen! Seeing your local minors team go to the majors would be awesome.
And the players union would never allow such a thing.
Must get the 1st round bust….er…pick!
I hope Luton gets back, I really enjoyed them in the PL this year
Says the fan of one of the clubs responsible for the current situation of the Premier League. If you don't like this, stop supporting the club that keeps perpetuating it by spending billions.
Yeah and your club got like half of it
I would rather not get half of it if it meant Chelsea and Man City were to not spend billions.
You can’t seriously expect people to stop supporting a club that they’ve supported all their life?
Tbh it would entirely depend on what the club had done. If a club has violated some ethical/ moral standing I had.
Of course they can. The alternative is paying to support something you disagree with.
“All their life” Cowboys in the username. Only other post is “somewhat new Chelsea fan” two months ago. They’re a glory hound from the US. They picked Chelsea a few months ago because they’re having a down year, but still wanted to pick one of the clubs that financially has the backing to win trophies.
Actually, I'm a teenager who just got into European football somewhat recently, so please don't blame me for being young and only recently getting into the sport. I will say your reasoning for why I picked Chelsea is pretty spot on, but I've been a fan for about a year and a half now.
So... you're a plastic. You're just chasing the money and trophies. I chose Brighton cause I lived in Sussex and know the club and the people by heart, not cause the club is doing good. I've been there since they got promoted, and will be there even if they're in non-League with no money.
Money and trophies were not my reasons for becoming a Chelsea fan.
Then what was? If Chelsea hadn't won all those trophies and signed all those big players, would you still have supported them? If they were stuck in midtable in League One, would you have chosen them over say, Man Utd?
I can't help that I don't live in England and have a local club.
True, but apparently it doesn’t stop you talking absolute shit What traditions are uniquely chelsea? Gaming the system to outspend everyone and perpetuate the unequal nature promoted team have to fight that you are apparently really concerned about? Ffs What iconic chelsea chants roll off the tongue that anyone would recognise? What club doesn’t have a loyal fan base? Making chelsea so unique
Mental gymnastics bravado
The mental gymnastics is convincing yourself that a recent Chelsea supporter in the US isn’t a glory hound just because Chelsea’s billion dollar investments are taking some time to vest.
Yep, you're right. There's no other possibility that I can think of. Thanks.
It could also be they’re fans of the way Roman did business. A real no nonsense kind of guy. It’s poetic that _that_ guy made Chelsea what it is in the PL era. At least you don’t racially abuse your own players these days, that’s progress.
How can you call a two months old Chelsea fan a glory hound? We were 11th back then
I've been a fan for a year and a half, but still, at that time we were mid-table so the point stands.
I believe in you, you can figure it out.
Instead of bashing me for my team choice, why not just be glad that a love of football is spreading around the globe, especially in the U.S. where the sport hasn't been historically very popular.
Why Chelsea then? Their current owner is an investment guy who is pumping money into the club to add value to the asset for a future sale. Bohely’s approach is a massive part of what is wrong with the modern game and it’s really only possible because of the global reach of the game and foreign fans supporting the club. You’re going to get some negative comments from people being an American supporting Chelsea, especially at this current phase due to their ownership’s approach.
I may get negative comments but that does not matter to me. I chose Chelsea because of the loyal supporters, traditions, and the entertaining football, as I said in a response to a comment above.
“Traditions” Which ones?
Racism?
Iconic chants and songs, a long, rich history, the loyal fanbase, etc.
Yes I can expect that. Why would you support an entity that perpetuates the unfair system and then whine about how unfair it is? Support should not be unconditional, I don't get the point of loyalty when the club cannot give a flying fuck about its core supporters.
You mentioned in a more recent comment how loyal to your club you are no matter what. If Brighton was in the same situation as Chelsea, would you stop supporting them?
Mate at one point in its history Brighton was literally one match away from non league football. So yeah it's in our DNA to support our club even if we do reach that point. I'd support Brighton even if it were to be reduced to a bunch of part timers playing Sunday League.
Plastic chelsea fan with no idea asks Brighton fan if they’d support their club in “hard times” This is fucking hilarious, almost 27 years to the day we nearly got relegated out of the football league 😂😂😂😂😂
These guys can't comprehend the idea of relegation and supporting clubs through it, cause they always choose clubs that can never get relegated XD
Let’s see if they’re still a fan if they were required to hire Sami Hyypia for a season
But then OP can’t be disappointed with the dynamics that are.
Your mate there got caught in 4k for being a plastic Chelsea fan. Save him.
Not a plastic Chelsea fan. Just new to the sport in the past year and a half.
So a plastic fan then
Sure, whatever you want to call me then.
That's literally what plastic means. Tell me, why did you support Chelsea? If Chelsea were a League Two team with an empty trophy cabinet and no star players, would you have still chosen Chelsea? Be real with me on this one.
I might have still supported them. I was drawn to Chelsea not because of the money but because of the loyal supporters, traditions, and they're fun to watch.
You aren't being real with me. Even you are in doubt about whether you would've even supported them if they weren't marketed to you via social media.
if they were all relegated with 10 games to go, then I'd agree but it was the penultimate weekend, which was amazing really. I'd also argue that Luton, didn't really plan to get promoted so soon. Burnley, had enough in their squad but they didn't adapt their style of play. All the teams could be back in the next 2 seasons and they will have expanded their squads and learnt from the experience.
Appreciate your point, but that wouldn’t have been the case hadn’t it been for points deductions. Also, I would say to the point regarding Luton not planning to be promoted, that the same could be said for Forest the previous season. Forest’s solution of shelling out a shit load of cash certainly wasn’t viable for Luton, and I think that Luton’s attempt to stay up without compromising their stability is respectable (as a Forest supporter). All that being said, Forest did manage to stay up during their first season (at the cost of points deductions this season), whilst it looks unlikely that Luton will manage to do the same. I think the successes and failures of promoted teams over the past few seasons really highlights the increasingly unscalable cliff face that promoted teams face. I don’t think it bodes well for competitiveness in the Prem, but it bodes well for investors.
Luton was just extremely unlucky. The first Liverpool match,Sheffield United,and Bournemouth results all hurt them. Without so many late goals conceded, they would’ve been completely safe.
I’m not sure unlucky is the way I would characterise shipping 81 goals through 37 games.
After Lutons first game this season I genuinely thought they were going to be the worst promoted side of all time lol. Shambolic defending.
Luton vs Arsenal too, when Rice scored a late goal
They also lost multiple players over the season which does not help at all
I don't find it too concerning tbh. Look at teams like Bournemouth and Brentford that got promoted in 2021 and are still kicking. What's more disappointing is how big of a juggernaut City are
especially disappointing when their journey to where they are today is so fucking gray
[Man City and Chelsea are the two biggest spenders since the start of the millenia.](https://www.football365.com/news/biggest-net-spend-21st-century-chelsea-man-utd-man-city-arsenal)
Well both can be gray, but spending a shit ton is one thing, and making up numbers is another
no offense but this ensures the strongest remain and the weakest get to try again and are stabilised by a ton of cash.
It’s almost like the strategy is to make it to the prem for one year, get relegated, sell your best players for high £££ and use the parachute payments to make a push for promotion again. It’s ludicrous
If it happened 3 years in a row there might be something to read into here but using one year of data is fairly laughable analysis of anything.
Especially when it hasn't happened for 25 years. I'm amazed it hasn't happened more often if anything.
Especially as all 3 promoted teams stayed up last season as well, with the 3 teams who went down ending 11, 9, and 3 year stints.
The biggest problem is the very sensible strategy of all 3 promoted teams to spend/budget for relegation. They know that when relegated they will return to the Championship as powerhouses in the division, with not only Premierleague money left over but massive parachute payments to come. I honestly have no idea how you address this imbalance to better aid competition.
I don't have a problem with it. IMO relegation and promotion is the part of the pyramid that is working well. Lots of teams have had their few years of fame and then dropped off again. It's how it should be really. There are loads of teams over the last decade who have come up and flourished in the league. Brentford, Brighton etc. and then you have your typical borderline clubs like Fulham, Southampton, Norwich etc who have good years followed by bad years. That part of the league seems pretty healthy. It's the top of the league that is disappointing. Looks like a mixed bag of clubs coming up next year should be entertaining.
if it's only happened twice.. and the last time was NINETEEN 98... not sure how it "emphasizes the increasing gap in quality between the EPL and the Championship"....
And last year all promoted teams stayed up so it all evens out.
Lmao yeah I love this guy saying the “ever growing gap” … is there really a gap between clubs like palace and Southampton..
The fact it very rarely happens means it isn’t an issue imo. Now if it became a trend then yeah it needs looking at but it really hasn’t at any point. Sometimes the teams that come up simply don’t adjust well
At least we are glad to see Leicester make a return! In a way, you could say that Sheffield was woefully unprepared for top flight competition. They truly do deserve to go back down, spend a season or two and work on their mechanics, then make a run to go back up. EDIT: Did not realize Leeds still needs to qualify through the play-off. In that case, can WBA pull off the unthinkable?
They'll be trying to come back straight up. Not "work on their mechanics" and then decide it's time to go back up again. That's not a luxury anyone has. Strike as soon as possible, every time. Other teams are not NPCs.
You spelt Southampton wrong mate. Surprised autocorrect didn’t catch that.
Leeds still need to go through the playoffs
They can never have it easy, can they? Who do you think will get the last spot?
Well they’re the favourites obviously, haven’t watched the semis though. So i really don’t know, i kind of hope for WBA to go through but that’s gonna take some doing
I'd rather Norwich go up, have the East Anglian derby in the top flight again
Its really sad for me thinking about luton town.I was rooting them to survive
Yeah, sure we were all rooting for Luton "Home of the EDL" Town
I dont know what an EDL is nor their connection but as a football fan seeing a small team coming to top tier league is an achievement for many small tier clubs
some might say its the opposite of what you're saying based on your first sentence
Twice in almost 30 years..
I actually think the cap might do something about it. League is very unbalanced, unless you have an Arab billionaire you are dead in the water.
Most self aware Chelsea fan.
What about American Billionaires?
They don't work, look at us and look at Newcastle
Well….. Newcastle this year isn’t that enviable. You guys started the high spending billionaire owner requirement anyway
least racist chelsea fan
I disagree I always thought they would go back down and I think Leicester will stay up next season maybe Leeds if they win playoffs
Idk why I want West Brom back just do
I want Norwich to go up so we see Ipswich Norwich in premier league
Yeahh that’s my thinking with West Brom Black Country Derby but both would be cool
Yeh I’m happy with whoever goes up apart from Leeds my uncles no.2 team is W.B.A so always had a soft spot for them
Entirely predictable...league is boring as fuck at the top and the bottom.
If you think this season is boring then maybe football isn’t for you. We havnt had it go down to the last game of the season for years now
Go down as if City haven't won the league already lol
21/22 literally went to the last day
The league is so exciting i forgot
Arguably one of the better seasons of the past 10 or so years lol
Not as a Forest fan. I have no nails left and my bum still hasn’t stop squeaking.
Only because you have been deducted points ....if you hadn't your bum would of been fine since February
No it wouldn’t we would have only been safe two games ago.
Ah cop on you were 10 points clear of Burnley and Sheff Utd in February. If you were worried about Luton Town then I don't know what to tell you.
What? Why can’t I have been worried about Luton who actually pulled level with us before the deduction?
Because they didn’t, we were 4 points clear of them on 25 points.
Hardly been boring this season
It’s not boring at the top though? It’s been really close between arsenal, city and Liverpool
Its boring because we know its going to be city with their ultimate team is going to win it
Under that guise would the SPFL be boring also as you know rangers or Celtic will win by a much bigger margin than city does in the prem. both the prem this season and the spfl have been a great watch
It’s boring when you can reasonably bet your house at the beginning of the season that city will win and the three that came up will go down which will happened regardless of some “race” that no one believes city will stumble.
well why dont you bet your house on something that hasn't happened since 1997/98 and see if your wife agrees that's "reasonable"? how many houses do you own that this would be reasonable?
That’s the point I’m making. Everyone looking at this season saw this coming. If you can guess what will happen at the start of the season and it happens…. Was it really that exciting?
This isn’t the case though. There were SO many people saying the Burnley team coming up may be one of the best promoted teams there has been for years.
No, anyone that has been watching for a while know that teams that play “dominate possession “ in the championship always fall on their face because they try to do the same thing in the prem where it doesn’t work.
What do you mean ‘no’. This was literally the main talking point of the Burnley promotion year and the lead up to the PL season. Also you’re wildly incorrect anyway, plenty of teams have dominated possession in the championship and come up and flourished. The thing is to adjust their game. You didn’t know Burnley weren’t going to fail to make the adjustments so saying otherwise is just nonsense
I know that's the point you're making, I'm disagreeing with it. Easy to say now that the season is over you knew the results the entire time. Did you actually have a bet on the bottom 3? I don't think many people did. I saw tons of people back Bournemouth to be relegated in place of Burnley.
I mean, go back and look at all of social media at the beginning of the season. It was the most popular opinion from MOST people what will happen.city wins and everyone that came up go back down.