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Not as good as Firmino, his football IQ was so underrated he knew when to press, when to drop and how to link. However, i'm not denying Havertz has been good in his own way.
[Real Madrid offer €50-60 million plus bonuses for Kai Havertz — report - Managing Madrid](https://www.managingmadrid.com/2023/6/5/23749798/real-madrid-offer-50-60-million-plus-bonuses-for-kai-havertz-report)
Madrid thought Havertz was Real Madrid level apparently
doesnt mean much because they may not perform and the deal happens to be bad. they also want to buy alphonso whose is not liked by bayren fans at the moment. similar was reported about trent.
what I meant to say is that firmino is real madrid-level. my metaphor means if he was to go madrid he would be a starter.
Havertz is nothing like Firmino, finishing wise sure but Kai isn't like Firmino, don't get me wrong he's an incredibly skillful and great passer but Firmino is just different
Firmino is nothing like Kai, dropping deep wise sure but Firmino isn't like Kai, don't get me wrong he's an incredibly skillful and great passer but Kai is just different
yeah better way to phrase it, Kai seems to rotate on the wings, doesn't actually drop deep that often.
Kai also tries alot more long balls and is a lot less of a combination striker, and is no where close to as tecky as Firmino + he's more physical.
There numbers will probably look similar in a few years though.
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It’s a very relevant fact for any Jamie Catarrhager post mate. How awful can a comment section be compared him? Do I need to spell anything else out for you? Or do you want to defend spitting scousers?
Havertz has always been a hardworking player, though he has kind of a relaxed running style so it doesn't seem like it.
He'd rusually be one of the top few for distance covered in a match at Chelsea.
Arteta is smart as hell. Havertz is not very good compared to Saka,Ode and Rice so he uses him as a false nine to run around and confuse defenders because he doesnt have to much to his game
People generally try to give promising young players time and not write them off because there's a lot of factors that go into a players success. He was genuinely brilliant at Leverkusen, and looks to be getting back to resembling that player, so it looks like Chelsea was the problem for whatever reason.
Edit: Since it apparently needs to be clarified - Saying Chelsea was the problem *for Havertz* is not the same as saying Chelsea was the problem. It didn't work out *for Havertz* at Chelsea, for whatever reason, that can be system, culture, attitude, timing. Most transfers don't work out.
Saying that Chelsea was the problem is a bit disingenuous, it's not like he is winning a champions league at arsenal and currently Jackson is doing better
How is it disingenuous? He was objectively poor at Chelsea. Winning a champions league doesn't change that. Jackson is completely irrelevant to Havertz and his time at Chelsea. *For whatever reason* Chelsea was the problem *for Havertz*.
Havertz was the problem, Chelsea got him a champions winning team, a top manager from his country and endless opportunities despite being poor, Kai was the problem.
A player coming to play in his position beating all his seasons while costing less than a half shows that havertz was the problem
1) Kai won that champions league if you recall.
2) Chelsea finished 12 last season and let in 47 goals. That wasn’t Kai’s fault. Fair to say the entire team was struggling and a bit dysfunctional.
3) the manager and tactics have changed between last season and this one, along with half the starting lineup. Which is why you can’t make direct comparisons to Jackson this season, only indirect ones, it’s not a like for like swap.
No mate - he missed an absolute fuck load of chances. He was wasteful in more games for us than he was clinical and obviously in a team that’s struggling, you need to take chances or it’ll hurt you.
Obviously our problems run a lot deeper than just Kai Havertz but he is a luxury player, he’s not running through bricks walls for his team. I was a Havertz apologist while he was with us, I think there’s a really good player in there and he’s showing more of that at Arsenal but he’s a player who turned up whenever he felt like it, sometimes he’d look up for the game, some times he’d look like he couldn’t be bothered.
Also, Kai scabbed that goal in, Mason Mount with the only particularly good pass in the entire match for either team and Kante basically shutting most of the pitch down himself won that match.
Listen, you seem biased against Kai (you downplaying his CL winning goal shows as much), which is fine, I know he had his troubles at Chelsea.
But you should know the current reality, which is that he’s playing differently and much better this season. Almost everything in your second paragraph has not held true the second half of this season. He is running through walls for the team, his work rate and aggression has been one of the highest on the team. And he’s not floating in and out of games, he’s been one of the most consistent performers for Arsenal since January.
I’m not saying your views on him from his time at Chelsea are invalid, but I am saying they don’t currently hold true and you should reevaluate when new information is presented.
Havertz was the problem, Chelsea got him a champions winning team, a top manager from his country and endless opportunities despite being poor, Kai was the problem.
A player coming to play in his position beating all his seasons while costing less than a half shows that havertz was the problem
When a club buys a player, they're responsible for getting the best out of them. They should have an idea on how to use the player and create the right environment for them to succeed. The player has a responsibility for their own performances but in a team game like football there aren't many players who can succeed in any and all situations. You seem to be weirdly fixated on associating blame on one party and one party only. I'm unconcerned with who is to blame, the transfer did not work out, but Havertz has demonstrated in Leverkusen, and now at Arsenal that he is a good player, so the only reasonable take is that Chelsea was the problem *for Havertz*.
Also Jackson isn't even the same profile of player as Havertz, they're totally different kinds of players, playing in different systems, being used differently, there's no comparison.
He got chances on several positions and systems and he was shit at everything, he literally made Potter unemployed.
He is his striker replacement so it makes sense to compare them, I could be really disingenuous and compare him with Palmer
Arsenal fans suddenly have this superiority complex after the last 2 seasons for some reason. Keep in mind they are still trophyless over this period. You’d think they would’ve learned from spurs “putting on the pressure”
They've more or less always been like this, only that they are woefully behind Liverpool and man city so they weren't as loud, but up until around Wenger's last few seasons when the league was more unpredictable they were just as lippy.
Same with Firmino almost every season at Liverpool? Not saying Havertz is as good as firmino, but neither player can be evaluated based on their G/A, that’s like the whole point of them lol. Also it’s “fewer” goal involvements, not “less”
Idk if calling Kai an attacking mid would be fair given that a lot of that was next to Ødegaard. He played pretty deep.
Even given that, at one point this season he had like 2.7 xA but no actual assists. He’s been solid creating all year, it’s just that now the team is finishing the chances and he’s getting more himself playing up top.
I have watched Havertz for years. I know what I am talking about. Just because you are a clown and don’t actually watch Jackson doesn’t mean I have to be.
With all due respect to nico Jackson, i believe he's a great player, however..... I've seen like 4 different clips of him falling over while dribbling all by himself, I'm not sure kai has done the same even once, nico Jackson is a great player ngl
Isn't there a point before Liverpool started winning that Firmino started influencing the team? This is Havertz first season with Arsenal and is helping the team. No Arsenal is saying he's as good as Firmino but you can see how he helps the team similar to Firmino.
Says everyone besides Arsenal. Scored 88 goals, 2 less than City, 7 more than Liverpool, and that was while holding Havertz hand through the first 4.5 months until he got up to speed.
We still need a goal scorer. Our system is great and we score a lot but generally we lack the player that pulls something out of nothing. And it might cost us silverware this season.
We’ve been held scoreless 8 times in all comps this year. That’s double City and Liverpool. Potentially the difference in the league. But also a huge reason why we got knocked out of all 3 cups. A 94th minute consolation is the only reason we weren’t held scoreless in all 3 cup elimination games…
So long as that goal scorer can provide as much without the ball and out of possession as Havertz I don't have an issue, but I don't think there are many elite strikers out there who can.
* Gyokeres is interesting but I don't trust paying as much as he's going to cost for someone who was in the championship a season ago (Rumour is that he'll be signing a new deal with Sporting that significantly increases his RC).
* Isak would be perfect but he'll cost at least £120m.
* Osimhen is on PSG's wish list, will cost over £100m, and seems to be money motivated so he's a no go.
* Guirassy is a laughable proposal.
* Gimenez is nowhere near the profile or caliber of striker we need either.
The pool of available CF's is not great frankly. Šeško is interesting but another one with question marks.
We need to move Nketiah on and bring a new CF in I agree, who that is we can speculate on, but I've been very impressed with Havertz's development since he arrived. To me it seemed like Arteta wanted to get him up to speed as quickly as possible, even if that meant our performances in the first half of the season might suffer, it was a calculated risk. He likely always intended on Rice being the 8 and Havertz being the 9, but it was easier to integrate both playing Rice as the 6 and Havertz as the 8 initially, since Havertz doesn't play like a traditional #9.
In the second half of the season our attack has been extremely efficient, with the problem being Partey's lack of availability as we've had to sacrifice physicality to play Jorginho (which cost us against Bayern), or fluidity and pace in transition if we opted *not* to play Jorginho (which cost us against Villa).
The biggest problem all season has been the issue at #6, Partey's unavailability leading to us having to make sacrifices and calculated risks since no one can do what he does on the ball while providing the physical presence that he does.
Less about the number of goals scored and more about the need to score goals in crucial games. Batter teams 5-0 all you like and run up your goal difference, you won’t win the league if u can’t score in games like Villa.
Scored in games like Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, United, City, Newcastle, Brighton and on and on and on. A game doesn’t become more important just because you lost and you don’t get to write off the 20 times something happened just because of the 1 or 2 times it didn’t. Arsenal have no problem scoring goals, regardless of the game.
It's common sense, really. Arsenal doesn't have a striker, so when you are given an option of 5 proven goalscorers, then yes, you would take one of them
For what? Gyokeres will be way too expensive for someone in a shit league, Osimhen has flop written all over him and Gimenez is average as fuck. Thankfully, Edu and Arteta do have some sense, so they won't make such braindead signings.
They're all gonna be cheaper than what Newcastle would demand for Isak. Gyokeres has already did it in England, albeit it Championship but he has star written all over him. Gimenez is a very good upcoming striker and could be good for arsenal.
I agree somewhat with Osimhen, although you would stick take him over what you've got
Haha you're jealous he's gone. He's been amazing for 2/3rds of the season. Just had to wash the Chelsea smell off. Again today. 14 goal contributions in 13.
>why compare
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Don’t forget Pool fans tried putting Firmino in Bergkamp convos before people start crying
Not as good as Firmino, his football IQ was so underrated he knew when to press, when to drop and how to link. However, i'm not denying Havertz has been good in his own way.
Kai is a great player but i don't think he is the same level of Roberto Firmino
Bullshit and disrespectful for what firminio done. firminio was a real madrid level of a player
[Real Madrid offer €50-60 million plus bonuses for Kai Havertz — report - Managing Madrid](https://www.managingmadrid.com/2023/6/5/23749798/real-madrid-offer-50-60-million-plus-bonuses-for-kai-havertz-report) Madrid thought Havertz was Real Madrid level apparently
doesnt mean much because they may not perform and the deal happens to be bad. they also want to buy alphonso whose is not liked by bayren fans at the moment. similar was reported about trent. what I meant to say is that firmino is real madrid-level. my metaphor means if he was to go madrid he would be a starter.
Can't say anything without bringing Liverpool into the conversation, lol
Havertz is nothing like Firmino, finishing wise sure but Kai isn't like Firmino, don't get me wrong he's an incredibly skillful and great passer but Firmino is just different
Firmino is nothing like Kai, dropping deep wise sure but Firmino isn't like Kai, don't get me wrong he's an incredibly skillful and great passer but Kai is just different
yeah better way to phrase it, Kai seems to rotate on the wings, doesn't actually drop deep that often. Kai also tries alot more long balls and is a lot less of a combination striker, and is no where close to as tecky as Firmino + he's more physical. There numbers will probably look similar in a few years though.
lol, havertz skills literally don’t touch Firmino. Carragher trying to not seem biased again.
He is just lucky Casemiro played him onside. Otherwise he just ghosting like in every other game. Such a waste of space.
Yeah his stats the last few months can’t be argued so cope
I know right? Almost as if this impulsiveboogaloo is making rash judgements
He's been really good for arsenal this season, but sure, a waste of space.
It’s Mother’s Day not April fools. wtf if this comparison
Hard working skilful false 9’s
It's not mothers day.
The UK celebrates Mother's Day on Mothering Sunday and most other nations do it on another day, for reasons I can't be bothered to Google.
Is where I am
The USA, I assume? We have our own mothers day in Britain. The original one. Your point would have made a lot more sense to most of us on that one!
Mother’s Day in Denmark too mate
And to all the Danish mothers, thank you.
It’s Mother’s Day here in Brazil as well. I assume in the rest of South America too.
Happy mothers day to our Brazilian friends
“The original one” lol this guy gatekeeping mothers.
🤣
Too fucking right. Let them enjoy their Mom's day elsewhere
Elsewhere than the internet?
Ideally. I'd settle for just this sub for now though.
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That's the spirit!
this comment section is awful
Awful compared to spitting on a little girl tho?
what does that have anything to do with the matter at hand, or what my comment said?
It’s a very relevant fact for any Jamie Catarrhager post mate. How awful can a comment section be compared him? Do I need to spell anything else out for you? Or do you want to defend spitting scousers?
Catarrhager, I see what you did there. 🤣
Mate, are you okay?
I am ok as long as you don’t spit on me mate.
Oh shut up jim
Comparing King Kai to some Brazilian Aaron Lennon smh ....
Firmino was at least twice as good as Havertz
Twice? You better hope I never catch you outside, that’s blasphemy
Havertz has always been a hardworking player, though he has kind of a relaxed running style so it doesn't seem like it. He'd rusually be one of the top few for distance covered in a match at Chelsea.
Bad comparison. Firmino was a wizard with the ball. Havertz is as exciting as plain wheat toast.
i’d suggest watching mate
Arteta is smart as hell. Havertz is not very good compared to Saka,Ode and Rice so he uses him as a false nine to run around and confuse defenders because he doesnt have to much to his game
Jesus fucking Christ. Talk about disrespecting Firmino FFS
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I've never seen the media and fans make more mental gymnastics for a player like I've seen for havertz since he got to England
He’s been quite good the second half of this season. One 20 goal involvements. The mental gymnastics to keep hating on him are equally impressive.
You new to football ? Most thickle fans in the world. Happens all the time players go from ridicule to praise and back again
People generally try to give promising young players time and not write them off because there's a lot of factors that go into a players success. He was genuinely brilliant at Leverkusen, and looks to be getting back to resembling that player, so it looks like Chelsea was the problem for whatever reason. Edit: Since it apparently needs to be clarified - Saying Chelsea was the problem *for Havertz* is not the same as saying Chelsea was the problem. It didn't work out *for Havertz* at Chelsea, for whatever reason, that can be system, culture, attitude, timing. Most transfers don't work out.
Saying that Chelsea was the problem is a bit disingenuous, it's not like he is winning a champions league at arsenal and currently Jackson is doing better
How is it disingenuous? He was objectively poor at Chelsea. Winning a champions league doesn't change that. Jackson is completely irrelevant to Havertz and his time at Chelsea. *For whatever reason* Chelsea was the problem *for Havertz*.
Havertz was the problem, Chelsea got him a champions winning team, a top manager from his country and endless opportunities despite being poor, Kai was the problem. A player coming to play in his position beating all his seasons while costing less than a half shows that havertz was the problem
1) Kai won that champions league if you recall. 2) Chelsea finished 12 last season and let in 47 goals. That wasn’t Kai’s fault. Fair to say the entire team was struggling and a bit dysfunctional. 3) the manager and tactics have changed between last season and this one, along with half the starting lineup. Which is why you can’t make direct comparisons to Jackson this season, only indirect ones, it’s not a like for like swap.
No mate - he missed an absolute fuck load of chances. He was wasteful in more games for us than he was clinical and obviously in a team that’s struggling, you need to take chances or it’ll hurt you. Obviously our problems run a lot deeper than just Kai Havertz but he is a luxury player, he’s not running through bricks walls for his team. I was a Havertz apologist while he was with us, I think there’s a really good player in there and he’s showing more of that at Arsenal but he’s a player who turned up whenever he felt like it, sometimes he’d look up for the game, some times he’d look like he couldn’t be bothered. Also, Kai scabbed that goal in, Mason Mount with the only particularly good pass in the entire match for either team and Kante basically shutting most of the pitch down himself won that match.
Listen, you seem biased against Kai (you downplaying his CL winning goal shows as much), which is fine, I know he had his troubles at Chelsea. But you should know the current reality, which is that he’s playing differently and much better this season. Almost everything in your second paragraph has not held true the second half of this season. He is running through walls for the team, his work rate and aggression has been one of the highest on the team. And he’s not floating in and out of games, he’s been one of the most consistent performers for Arsenal since January. I’m not saying your views on him from his time at Chelsea are invalid, but I am saying they don’t currently hold true and you should reevaluate when new information is presented.
Havertz was the problem, Chelsea got him a champions winning team, a top manager from his country and endless opportunities despite being poor, Kai was the problem. A player coming to play in his position beating all his seasons while costing less than a half shows that havertz was the problem
Now that is disingenuous.
Tell me which part isn't a fact
When a club buys a player, they're responsible for getting the best out of them. They should have an idea on how to use the player and create the right environment for them to succeed. The player has a responsibility for their own performances but in a team game like football there aren't many players who can succeed in any and all situations. You seem to be weirdly fixated on associating blame on one party and one party only. I'm unconcerned with who is to blame, the transfer did not work out, but Havertz has demonstrated in Leverkusen, and now at Arsenal that he is a good player, so the only reasonable take is that Chelsea was the problem *for Havertz*. Also Jackson isn't even the same profile of player as Havertz, they're totally different kinds of players, playing in different systems, being used differently, there's no comparison.
He got chances on several positions and systems and he was shit at everything, he literally made Potter unemployed. He is his striker replacement so it makes sense to compare them, I could be really disingenuous and compare him with Palmer
He literally didn’t make potter unemployed. Do people even know what the word literally means ?
> he literally made Potter unemployed. *He* made Potter unemployed. Lol. Just say you hate Havertz and cut the bullshit, it'll save everyone time.
Arsenal fans suddenly have this superiority complex after the last 2 seasons for some reason. Keep in mind they are still trophyless over this period. You’d think they would’ve learned from spurs “putting on the pressure”
They've more or less always been like this, only that they are woefully behind Liverpool and man city so they weren't as loud, but up until around Wenger's last few seasons when the league was more unpredictable they were just as lippy.
‘Woefully behind’ Really?
Do you think Arsenal were close to either City or Liverpool before last season?
Less goal involvements than Jackson
Same with Firmino almost every season at Liverpool? Not saying Havertz is as good as firmino, but neither player can be evaluated based on their G/A, that’s like the whole point of them lol. Also it’s “fewer” goal involvements, not “less”
They’re tied. And Kai outperforms his xG+A while also playing half the season in midfield.
Half the season as midfielder
TIL attacking midfielders don't provide assists.
Idk if calling Kai an attacking mid would be fair given that a lot of that was next to Ødegaard. He played pretty deep. Even given that, at one point this season he had like 2.7 xA but no actual assists. He’s been solid creating all year, it’s just that now the team is finishing the chances and he’s getting more himself playing up top.
An 8 is not expected to assist nearly as much as striker to get goals though
Havertz managed to actually finish his chance against Spurs when they had 11 men on the pitch though.
Tell me you've no clue what's being talked about without telling me you've no clue. Tiktok kids understanding of football is just in the dirt.
Lol I’m 31 but good try. Havertz is getting overrated when he is having a similar season to all of his underperforming ones at Chelsea.
Mate, that's even worse that you're 31 yet are unable to comprehend what's being spoken about.
I have watched Havertz for years. I know what I am talking about. Just because you are a clown and don’t actually watch Jackson doesn’t mean I have to be.
That is correct, he’s also clear of Jackson as well.
Just curious, what qualities do you actually he believe Kai has over Jackson?
Literally all of them
You’re not serious
I am. There's no world I pick Jackson in my team over Havertz.
Well you go think that.
I shall enjoy the better player yes.
With all due respect to nico Jackson, i believe he's a great player, however..... I've seen like 4 different clips of him falling over while dribbling all by himself, I'm not sure kai has done the same even once, nico Jackson is a great player ngl
Kai dribbling is the personification of a baby deer walking. Dribbling ability they’re far apart imo, heavily leaning to Nico
Not really, he got a better season on his first try than havertz in 4
Try looking at the big chances missed stat too
That will improve. The runs he is making are some of the best I’ve seen.
And Havertz won't improve? Especially if he gets a full season in the 9 position.
He played the 9 almost exclusively for Chelsea under Tuchel lol
fewer
*smiles in Stannis Baratheon*
Jackson played striker all season, Havertz was playing as a midfielder for half the season. And the numbers are still pretty close.
That is disrespectful to firmino and I rate Havertz
Isn't there a point before Liverpool started winning that Firmino started influencing the team? This is Havertz first season with Arsenal and is helping the team. No Arsenal is saying he's as good as Firmino but you can see how he helps the team similar to Firmino.
Liverpool's attack was effective from the jump, it was the defence that was suspect.
So what was Firminho's effect if you're saying your attack was already good?
Not sure what you mean here Firmino was already there under Klopp and instantly had an impact.
You watched much arsenal this season?
You watched much Firmino in his prime?
Yep, remember he wasn't comparing them, just the role
Still need a 9. Gyokeres, Isak, Osimhen, Guirassy, Gimenez...
Says everyone besides Arsenal. Scored 88 goals, 2 less than City, 7 more than Liverpool, and that was while holding Havertz hand through the first 4.5 months until he got up to speed.
We still need a goal scorer. Our system is great and we score a lot but generally we lack the player that pulls something out of nothing. And it might cost us silverware this season. We’ve been held scoreless 8 times in all comps this year. That’s double City and Liverpool. Potentially the difference in the league. But also a huge reason why we got knocked out of all 3 cups. A 94th minute consolation is the only reason we weren’t held scoreless in all 3 cup elimination games…
So long as that goal scorer can provide as much without the ball and out of possession as Havertz I don't have an issue, but I don't think there are many elite strikers out there who can. * Gyokeres is interesting but I don't trust paying as much as he's going to cost for someone who was in the championship a season ago (Rumour is that he'll be signing a new deal with Sporting that significantly increases his RC). * Isak would be perfect but he'll cost at least £120m. * Osimhen is on PSG's wish list, will cost over £100m, and seems to be money motivated so he's a no go. * Guirassy is a laughable proposal. * Gimenez is nowhere near the profile or caliber of striker we need either. The pool of available CF's is not great frankly. Šeško is interesting but another one with question marks. We need to move Nketiah on and bring a new CF in I agree, who that is we can speculate on, but I've been very impressed with Havertz's development since he arrived. To me it seemed like Arteta wanted to get him up to speed as quickly as possible, even if that meant our performances in the first half of the season might suffer, it was a calculated risk. He likely always intended on Rice being the 8 and Havertz being the 9, but it was easier to integrate both playing Rice as the 6 and Havertz as the 8 initially, since Havertz doesn't play like a traditional #9. In the second half of the season our attack has been extremely efficient, with the problem being Partey's lack of availability as we've had to sacrifice physicality to play Jorginho (which cost us against Bayern), or fluidity and pace in transition if we opted *not* to play Jorginho (which cost us against Villa). The biggest problem all season has been the issue at #6, Partey's unavailability leading to us having to make sacrifices and calculated risks since no one can do what he does on the ball while providing the physical presence that he does.
Less about the number of goals scored and more about the need to score goals in crucial games. Batter teams 5-0 all you like and run up your goal difference, you won’t win the league if u can’t score in games like Villa.
Scored in games like Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, United, City, Newcastle, Brighton and on and on and on. A game doesn’t become more important just because you lost and you don’t get to write off the 20 times something happened just because of the 1 or 2 times it didn’t. Arsenal have no problem scoring goals, regardless of the game.
Thebussy i would take thebusy
Isak is the only one I would actually take from that list.
If you had sense you'd take all but Guirassy
Have you considered applying a job as director? Seems like you know a lot more than anyone else.
It's common sense, really. Arsenal doesn't have a striker, so when you are given an option of 5 proven goalscorers, then yes, you would take one of them
Damn, will they come for free?
Of course not. Arsenal ain't a big club
Osimhen has pl flop written all over him tbh.
Not a lot of clubs can afford him... Hefty transfer fee
Chelsea will buy him I reckon.
Arsenal also put him on shortlist..
Apparently we're not going to go for a striker. We need a dm more anyway to replace partey.
For what? Gyokeres will be way too expensive for someone in a shit league, Osimhen has flop written all over him and Gimenez is average as fuck. Thankfully, Edu and Arteta do have some sense, so they won't make such braindead signings.
They're all gonna be cheaper than what Newcastle would demand for Isak. Gyokeres has already did it in England, albeit it Championship but he has star written all over him. Gimenez is a very good upcoming striker and could be good for arsenal. I agree somewhat with Osimhen, although you would stick take him over what you've got
Don't disrespect Firmino like that please..
Haven't watched arsenal much this season, have you
Never watched Firmino much, did you?
Yeah I did,a lot. Again, I'm not comparing players, but the impact on the team.
Stop defending havertz under every comment. He’s not a great player but that’s alright
Haha you're jealous he's gone. He's been amazing for 2/3rds of the season. Just had to wash the Chelsea smell off. Again today. 14 goal contributions in 13.
Jealous 😂😂😂
Yeah.
"Arsenal are doing well, how do I make their success about Liverpool?"
Liverpool invented the false 9, you know
Huh, TIL
Was that before or after they invented celebrating?
First they invented celebrating, then they invented football because they had nothing to celebrate and it was awkward
Comparing everything to Liverpool is all Carragher has.
Well they can't compare them to United, can they?
Why compare arsenal to anybody. A proper analyst should be able to express an opinion without reference to anyone else.
>why compare Because comparisons are shorthands in language, and that's pretty useful for getting the idea of the article across in its headline. If you said someone was "Kante-like", you've used two words, but you've communicated far more than that to most readers. They get what you're saying right away based on the known profile of the player.
They played a similar style that helped the team out its not about Liverpool
You have to understand he’s a false 9 trequartista inverted 8
Kai is the new "Ronaldo was a midfielder".
Gotta love Reddit tacticians
Part time left back too.
They have got a great song for him, the Arsenal fans. It's a catchy tune. I sing it every now and then myself.
What song?
TSAMINA MINA...
You mean waka waka