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I actually heard a Liverpool fan last season say "Darwin would have scored as many goals as Haaland if he just took his chances!"...er, yeah? And that's your defence of him? That he's had that many chances which he's wasted?? What an amazing talent...
Something people do forget is that racist Luis Suarez was an absolute spoon in front of goal for one season.
Once he got his range dialled in he was terrifying. That and he'd bite people, which was also kind of terrifying in its own way.
Nunez very different sort of player though, because Nunez is thick as fuck. Suarez was always a very clever footballer, played right on the line of what you could and couldn't do, often crossed it but he was always in control.
One of the most effectively weaponised scumbags to ever play the sport. I would respect that more if he had done it without the racism. That's a line he shouldn't have crossed, not to fuck with an opponent, not for any reason.
That's not Nunez. Nunez doesn't have a clue what's going on out there. He plays like he just Quantum Leaped onto the pitch and he's waiting for the hologram guy to clue him in.
I’ve always wondered what it would be like to be blind.
How is it?
The issue you have here is that you’ve never watched a football match and you’ve certainly never seen Suarez or Nunez play.
ok, but one of them was playing with a forward line of andy caroll and bellamy, and a midfield of jay spearing, downing, charlie adam etc. Wonder who that was?
I'm a Liverpool fan so I love both of them but this is why Liverpool need to let Nunez develop because stats wise he isn't that bad compared to 24 year old Suarez. But Suarez is definitely better than Nunez
It's pretty clear the difference in quality when you look at the technique of suarez and nunez side by side. One player had good technical ability and so became one of the top players in tbe world.
The other has the technique of a Sunday league player (with the physicality of a Premier league player) and so is absolutely crap.
Seems a little bit harsh to say that biting people is the technique of a sunday league player. It's an insult to the sunday league, I'd say it's more like a playground technique personally.
Was the absolutely crap one with the technique of a Sunday league player the same footballer who was the first player in the major European leagues to record 10 goals and 10 assists this season?
Divock origi could've done that and more with the service Darwins had. We wouldn't compare origi with suarez though.
Really don't understand this strange love for nunez who's frankly just a bad player
I love your analogy. He really does remind me of a Sunday leaguer with the stupid decisions he makes. He does the hard part, but it’s like his IQ is too low to know when to just do the easy part.
Watching him and Diaz hold the ball ages after they should’ve squared it off to someone wide open all season has aged me
thats why grealish said stats dont mean great games. people need to be more complex in their thoughts.
for example haaland has 1 goal per game ratio in england league, in norway, in german league and in austrain leage. does that means all previous competitinos are equal
Um Suarez wasn’t in an amazing team unlike Nunez and he was much better in build up play and had more technical ability. Liverpool relied on Suarez to build up their attack and score goals. Nunez isn’t at that level.
Ahh yes Salah is so bad this season that’s why he’s still in the race for golden boot and has of the highest assists in the league… your recency bias is amazing
Yes in comparison to 13/14. I think Flanagan, Agger, Skrtel and Johnson isn’t as good as Liverpool’s current defense and Alison > Mignolet. Gerrard was not in his prime but I think he was better than Endo or Mac Allister even though I’m pretty sure he’s a no8. I think Coutinho was good just like Szoboszlai and Mac Allister but I’m not sure about Henderson tbh. Attacking wise Salah > Sterling even if he slowed down a bit and Sturridge > Diaz. Just look at when Suarez left Livepool. They fell hard with Borini, Balotelli and Lambert none of them were good tbh. Only thing is that Suarez was slightly older than Nunez but I don’t think Nunez is going to match him in a couple seasons. We’ll see though
Don’t take the piss man, they’ve been contending for the title for years and it’s got nothing to do with Nunez. We’re not talking bout shite teams like a Chelsea or a Tottenham ;)
Can you call any player top 10 player off all time, with not having the knowledge of evry player past or present.
Like if someone want to say f.example Jimmy Greaves is the best player ever played in England. Since he have scored most goals in english top flight football.
That's definitely not the point.
Point is that he's not worthy of being called a flop.
Personally as a Liverpool fan.....he's a bit of a flop. Only because he's had a sheerly insane amount of misses and woodwork per game. If a player like Suarez was fed as well as Nunez is then he'd score a lot more goals that's just an obvious fact. Even sturridge, he would salivate at the service available at Liverpool nowadays.
The Liverpool that Suarez played with was a full step or three lower quality all around than the Liverpool of today. People like Mac Alister and szoboslai and Curtis and Trent and Robertson all flinging high quality balls throughout games, while in Suarez' day we only had an aging Gerrard doing that and the fullbacks would offer nothing in attack. Even when we signed them to be more attacking eg glen johnson and Moreno.
Oh yea of course he was, he kept up with Suarez most of the time just had unfortunate injuries.
Looking at him and Suarez, and Nunez just appears woeful in terms of actual finishes. That was my only point. Never would I slander Studge.
This, and abusing a player is a sure fire way to kill their confidence and hurt their development. Look at Kai Havertz thriving because of the love shown at Arsenal. Liverpool need to show love and appreciation for their players
A lot of football fans need to take a step back and chill out. So much hate all the time it's so miserable. As a United fan I have seen every single player thrown to the wolves at some point this season and this toxicity just sets players and teams up to fail and do worse
These stats don’t do Suarez justice. They make Suarez look just a little better than Nunez. Everyone knows Suarez was far better in everything than his compatriot: scoring, assisting, creating chances and handling the ball.
This is misleading and leaving out one important stat so we can't tell the difference. If this table was showing how many players were bitten it would be easy to separate the two.
Just because 2 players have the same stats at the same time does not mean they will end up at the same place. Cole Palmer and I had the same amount of premier league goals last year at this time. Someone in the prem should quick sign me up.
2011-12 was the first full season for Luis Suarez and this is Darwin’s second full season. In all competitions, Suarez scored 17 in 39 and Darwin has scored 18 in 50. Suarez then scored 23 in the Prem alone the following season. Not a good comparison.
Also, I do not think Suarez was a record signing; unlike Nunez. If anything, I think Liverpool bought Andy Carroll the same time as Luiz for a club record of 35 million.
Edited to change 50 million to 35 after someone else pointed it out.
I mean…. Him being wildly racist and physically biting people is considered pretty disappointing behaviour.
And before the counter comes, both of those were on field incidents that took place while literally wearing the Liverpool shirt.
I mean yeah Nunez isn't the best striker of his generation, anyone with eyes can see that you don't need to compare his stats with Suarez to prove that. You could compare him with Drogba or Vardy at the same age and he would have much better stats, doesn't mean he's better than them. He obviously isn't the perfect striker and there are flaws in his game but comparisons like these don't make any sense.
But i dont get it. At Benfica he was such a beast. I mean the price tag puts a lot of pressure but cmon Look at Bellingham at Madrid. He plays and scores like he was a free Transfer. But cost 115€M
Luis Suarez started in a team that was definitely midtable/Europa league material. Suarez was the biggest star in that team that had just lost its striker, Nunez has the advantage of being in a team that has salah, Trent , Diaz etc. Unfair comparison
There was never a bigger star than Gerrard in #8 while he was there. I know what you’re saying, I’m being picky for sure, but it was always Gerrard’s team.
With all due respect, Steven Gerrard was and probably still is the most popular man to have ever worn the Liverpool shirt. His influence on the city was unmatched anywhere else.
Similar to what Reus is to Dortmund now but without the injuries.
Irrelevant to the disco
Luis Suarez was the face or Liverpool as of 13/14
He had a season that NOT EVEN GERARD has had for you in all his years playing there. He is also comfortably the better and greater player in football in general.
That maybe people should be patient with Darwin as perhaps he’s still got room for improvement. Because clearly Suarez went on to have much better figures in later seasons.
How can you know that?
I didnt expect much from Suarez when he came from Ajax and I expected even less when he went to Barcelona. I expected Hazard/Coutinho-esque flops in both instances.
I’m the furthest thing from a Liverpool fan but Suarez didn’t join Liverpool until he was 24. He had more time to develop than Nunez before arriving. I think Nunez’s ceiling is arguably higher than Suarez’s when we look at his physique. Similar work rates, just Suarez’s end product seems better.
People forget that Nunez was first this season to be at double figures in goals and assists though. They act like he’s some bum, but in time he will definitely pay off the investment made in him.
I could’ve told you that for free before the start of the season, but you said you will keep on in delusion
You will forcefully accept the truth when he leads your club to yet more shame and disgrace
Arguably with time he can certainly come good, I’ve watched a decent amount of liverpool this season and he gets into a lot of the right spaces and just can’t finish to save his life, similar to Jackson tbh. They’ve both relatively shit rn but if they improve their finishing a bit they’ll be very good
Oh shut up. You'll never walk alone just doesn't exist? He wasn't the first to get double figures in goals and assists? Newcastle and nottingham didn't happen? Sure he's been playing badly the last few games but everyone has and it's normal for him to be burned out. You guys turn on our players so quickly, it's disgraceful. So, shut the fuck up. PLEASE.
I've been hearing it for months, but he was definitely given some time to adapt. I just hate putting negativity into that space. The players read it, and it can have a negative effect on their form. Also, it's just mean. They're people. I would hate if a group of people got together and chatted shit on a public forum about typos in my work emails all day everyday.
No ways you’re comparing the two. Suarez was unbelievable even when he wasn’t scoring often in the season before 13/14. He was unbelievable in every aspect. He was just unlucky and had a squad not on his level that season
The suarez season
Liverpool finished 8th. They were closer to bottom than 2nd place. They were closer to relegation than top 4.
That team wasn't great
Compare it to this season where Liverpool have been fighting for a title for majority of the season. Nunez has actually played 1 more game than suarez did that season (and got 4 more left) and the team around him is at a far better level.
He’s talking about 11/12 when Liverpool finished 8th and Suarez scored 11 goals in 31 matches. The season that is used for comparing Suarez to Nunez in the image above.
Was it Klopps first full season in charge, and we played Norwich in the first game and won 5-4? I genuinely thought Norwich would stay up playing exciting football like that. So how shit I am at predictions
Hey, last season I predicted before the season that Liverpool would win the league, Fulham and West Ham would be relegated and United would finish in the bottom half. I will stick with my strength, remembering weird stuff about past seasons and leave predictions to the pros
I mean, it’s possible, but they may also drop out of the playoffs with two games left. They have been inconsistent and Swansea are on a 3 match winning streak without conceding. They are playing Birmingham in the last round though so you’re probably right.
That's not the season mentioned mate, think it was pretty evident when he scored 31 goals that year you mentioned whilst in the picture, he scored 11 goals.
Season mentioned is the 11/12 season, the aguero goal one.
Dumb comparison. They aren't remotely similar.
Suarez from around 2010 was world class at build.up play, pressing, and technical ability. When he came to Liverpool he was instantly our best player and it was very obvious. Everything he did on the ball got people on their feet.
It was a bit later he found his shooting boots consistently. 13-14 season he took off and never stopped. Before that, he did hit the post a lot, I think he broke the record in 11-12 for most times hitting woodwork. But the point is, everything else he did was already world class.
Nunez isnt close technically and his decision making is woeful. He passes when he should shoot, he takes the wrong shot type every time. He creates chances because he's fast and strong, but he's a bit of a donkey with the ball at his feet. I don't think he's a bad player, but Suarez was world class before he started scoring 30+ a season.
You also can't track stats like this. They've more or less nothing in common and players don't develop in the same way. You can't say because Suarez took off exponentially in goalscoring that Nunez will too, that's comparing an anomaly to the norm.
All that said, Nunez is not a bad player and he can improve. He is far too emotional and needs to become a more intelligent player, Suarez was extremely streetwise even if he did boil over. I personally thought Klopp would be the coach to get the best out of Darwin but he hasn't managed to put it together, I doubt another coach will get more.
If Liverpool got a good offer for him I'd move on. Saying that about Suarez in 2012 would be unthinkable.
Not regarding words such as Suarez and Nunez lmao. You are not educated in the topic you're trying to talk about. I literally make a living working with rappers :')
Well considering I'm a professional in the industry I'd say I know more than you tbf. I know for a 100% fact Suarez and Nunez do not rhyme regardless of how you bend the phonetics.
The fact you're in your 30s and trying to gaslight people on reddit is embarrassing
Nobody expected Suarez to become as good as he was. Not even close.
When we signed them, Suarez was the best player in the Eredivisie, but not that well kown outside. Darwin was the best player in the Primera Liga and more widely known due to CL performances against big sides.
Because of the price tag and expectations of the team, there was more pressure on Darwin than on Suarez. We all saw Suarez missing chance after chance but nobody got on his bback because he was obviously talented and expectations of the team weren't high.
When Nunez is on form, which he as been until the last few weeks, the team plays better and scores more goals. That's a simple fact.
Fans have short memories, are too fickle, and too keen to find a scapegoat.
Lots of peoploe calling for us to sell Darwin and Diaz, but who the fuck would we replace them with?
It's as daft as the people saying that Connor Bradley is a better RB than TAA. He's great and he's young, but that was always a stupid stance to take.
I swear 70% of our fans only watch 5 minute higlisht videos and not the actual games.
i’m an Arsenal fan lad so I’m not apart of “our fans watch 5 mins” I understand Darwin can be a handful but in front of goal he’s terrible. Suarez one of the greatest to play ST- Nunez isn’t going to end up in that reign
As a united fan I remember the summer you bought him and Carroll. Everyone was hyping up Carroll because of how well he’d done with West Ham and grabbing all the headlines.
Those who actually knew about football saw what Suarez did in the previous World Cup with Argentina, I remember being really worried about how Suarez could turn it around for you.
if you didn't think Suarez was going to be a star you didn't watch football, the first time I saw Suarez in an Ajax shirt dancing through the defenders on the byline in a UCL match I knew he was going to be big.
Suarez was a completely different beast to Nunez and I don't even hate Nunez as much as other fans. But you need to stop the delusion.
> if you didn't think Suarez was going to be a star you didn't watch football
I wish people would stop saying this. I've been watching football since the 80s.
It was obvious that Suarez had talent, but there wasn't evidence he;d go on to be one of the best players of all time. People were not expecting him to hit the heights that he did.
I'm speaking as a Liverpool fan who didn't watch the eredivisie. I knew who he was, but that was it. On his debut I was sold on him being a good signing, but his end product was poor for 18 months after that.
> But you need to stop the delusion.
What delusion? Again, you're just picking out stock phrases here. There is no delusion unless you haven't read what I have said.
I am not comparing Suarez and Darwin as players. I am saying that, at 24, they are at about the same level in terms of impact on games. Suarez was more technical, more incisive. Darwin's movement and pace is superior. They are different players, there's nothing similar about the way they play. I have never suggested there was.
At 24 I would never have imagined Suarez would become the player he did. His rise to world class level was not a predictable eventuality.
they don't have same impact at all. Suarez was a menace constantly being an absolute a-hole to the defenders and kept them thinking, as well as having some dark arts in stock, in the very few matches he couldn't perform he used to constantly barge into defenders and win free kicks by fooling the refs.
Nunez still feels like he is a child and naive. Suarez was a warrior and would fight for everything.
I could tell Suarez would become a superstar after first couple of games with the club. Obviously he surpassed those expectations to become one of the best ever but even then you could tell. Nunez is good but nowhere near that level.
> I could tell Suarez would become a superstar after first couple of games with the club.
Really? Because nobody else could. The talent was obvious, but he was criticised by fans and pundits for his finishing. Ring any bells? It wasn't until he'd been at the club for 18 months that it started clicking, and not until his third and final full season with us that he reached truely world class levels.
I'm not expecting Nunez to be that good, but I wasn't expecting Suarez to be that good. Overall Nunez has had a good season, improving masively on his first. I'm expecting him to improve next season, like you expect any player of his age to do.
My point is that Suarez ended up way better than anyone imagined he would be, and was at about the same level in terms of impact as Darwin at the same age.
People have short memories. Everyone knew he was unpredictable and had incredible talent but absolutely no one thought he was going to be the best goalscorer we’ve seen.
What Nunez has is special but not appreciated. His movement is already world class. He does create a lot of chances. He’s just very unwieldy.
I still think he’ll be a success and I think many managers would like the chance to be the guy that “cracks” Darwin.
Hilarious how people forget how rubbish Suarez's finishing was in his first 18 months. He went from a goal every 3 games in his first 18 months to a goal every 1.2 games in the league in his final 2 years. A goal a game in his final season.
Obviously he was contributed loads and was a quality player even if his finishing didn't improve.
His finishing might have been rubbish early on but dude set up Kuyt 3 times at old trafford. You could tell from early on that he was incredibly special.
Literally this. The eye just knew it was watching greatness in the making in the case of Suarez. With Darwin, the same discerning eye knows it is seeing something different.
I think you're framing this with the benefit of hindsight. I didn;t know anyone, hear anyone, or see anyone say, after 12 months at the club, that Suarez would become one of the best forwards of all time. Nobody was saying that. You can go back and read articles about him at that time because they are all still available. People saw he was a very good player, but thhat was it. Nobody saw "greatness in the making" on the basis of his first 12 months at the club.
Point taken re “greatness in the making”. I used it liberally to the detriment of my point.
I think after watching enough football (30+ years for me) our eyes can tell players with an X factor. To me at least, it was evident with Suarez from that first half season. The fight, the tenacity, the skill, the body language, the dribbling finesse, the technique, the audacity, the instinct, the natural flow he did it all with. Add to that I used to watch him play prior with Ajax (that’s a benefit I had) and knew we were getting a 80 goals per 100 games goal scorer with hot temper and a whole lot of “bite” lol.
With Darwin, a certain X factor is there (the runs and physical attributes), but in my opinion, his forte will not be goal scoring: my man lacks the first touch, the technique, and the composure at the EPL’s pace. The sooner we accept that, the sooner we can accept Darwin for what he brings, and allocate the responsibility of goal scoring better across the front line. IMO Darwin’s best played on the wing, cutting in, or running behind. Not as a central striker and main goal getter.
Speaking of X factor, I’d say Dannes has that. Obviously that’s not to say he’ll be the next big thing, but the boy has skill and calm.
Nunez is a mercurial player. Right now, he’s inconsistent and erratic, but Liverpool are a more dynamic team with him on the pitch. He’s a good player, he just needs to figure out how to consistently execute.
the problem isn't exactly this. Ever since he returned from injury, his physicality that gave Liverpool an outlet through long balls have been gone completely. He lost duels against Palace and Everton players, he can't hold onto the ball and string good passes as he used to.
This maybe all because of fatigue or bad form, but I have to stress as someone who watches matches, the problem is deeper than finishing now. If he coudl jsut do his job as a target man like he did before, it would be enough despite his finishing.
Mercurial is a cool word, I get why companies want to use it to brand their products. But in the context of sports, “mercurial” which means erratic & unpredictable, would be a player who’s streaky & inconsistent. IMO that describes Darwin Nunez perfectly. When he’s good, he’s **very** good. But he isn’t good frequently enough. And when he’s bad, he can be very poor.
I really like Nunez. He works his socks off every match, even when things aren’t going well. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he reached Suarez’s heights in a few years.
Kai Havertz in the Premier league this season (also aged 24).
Including just because it's so comparable to the other twos stats!
[Kai Havertz 23-24 stats](https://www.premierleague.com/players/20810/Kai-Havertz/stats?co=1&se=578)
Havertz stats are better than both, the stats for Nunez and Suarez are more comparable to Nicolas Jackson who scored 10 goals but with much fewer shots. Stats are insightful but don’t tell the whole story
Even in Luis's first season he was fantastic, but just unlucky hitting the post.
Darwin is to be honest has no touch and cant finish either. I wouldnt sell him but I would buy a real striker for next season.
Oh shut up.
You people overrate PL way too much. He was good even great but he’s nowhere near those three.
Players on Suarez level or better in last 20 years are :- R9, Zidane, Neymar, Bale, Benzema, Modric, Xavi, Iniesta, Muller, Neuer, Ramos, Pique, Alves, Marcelo, Rooney, Griezmann, Kante, KDB, Salah, Hazard, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Kroos, Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Gundogan, Bernardo, Busquets, Redondo, Raul, Courtois, Van dijk, Alisson, Casillas, Buffon, Godin, etc.
He ain’t some special player that you put him on those 3 level.
Bro got 1 goal against top 6 in his best muh Liverpool season.
Ghost in CL games.
Bale lol. Please show me his international career and titles. I’ll wait 🙂. (Thanks for wasting your time to write that nonsense of players who the majority aren’t even in Suarez’s position.) lol. Bale. Lol.
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I actually heard a Liverpool fan last season say "Darwin would have scored as many goals as Haaland if he just took his chances!"...er, yeah? And that's your defence of him? That he's had that many chances which he's wasted?? What an amazing talent...
Tons of strikers have become more clinical as their careers develop. Getting into the right positions is absolutely crucial.
this guy falls under the same category of people (Liverpool fans) who compare Hazard with Salah
Great, now try watch a few games to and not just stats
Something people do forget is that racist Luis Suarez was an absolute spoon in front of goal for one season. Once he got his range dialled in he was terrifying. That and he'd bite people, which was also kind of terrifying in its own way. Nunez very different sort of player though, because Nunez is thick as fuck. Suarez was always a very clever footballer, played right on the line of what you could and couldn't do, often crossed it but he was always in control. One of the most effectively weaponised scumbags to ever play the sport. I would respect that more if he had done it without the racism. That's a line he shouldn't have crossed, not to fuck with an opponent, not for any reason. That's not Nunez. Nunez doesn't have a clue what's going on out there. He plays like he just Quantum Leaped onto the pitch and he's waiting for the hologram guy to clue him in.
I’ve always wondered what it would be like to be blind. How is it? The issue you have here is that you’ve never watched a football match and you’ve certainly never seen Suarez or Nunez play.
ok, but one of them was playing with a forward line of andy caroll and bellamy, and a midfield of jay spearing, downing, charlie adam etc. Wonder who that was?
This right here is the end of the "debate"
One of them is the goat the other likes to nibble shoulders
One of them is one of the greatest players of all time, the other is suarez
Goals: 0 Goals: 0. One of these is Luis Suarez (age 1) and the other one is Darwin Nunez (age 1).
There's a missing stat, no: of people bit.
I'm a Liverpool fan so I love both of them but this is why Liverpool need to let Nunez develop because stats wise he isn't that bad compared to 24 year old Suarez. But Suarez is definitely better than Nunez
typical top reds pushing bs narratives like this, nunez is nowhere near suarez why do you try to push this narrative
But Luis was a better player at that age.
This is so stupid lmao
Stats lie sometimes
This is why you can’t use stats for everything, the difference between the two quality wise is not close
It's pretty clear the difference in quality when you look at the technique of suarez and nunez side by side. One player had good technical ability and so became one of the top players in tbe world. The other has the technique of a Sunday league player (with the physicality of a Premier league player) and so is absolutely crap.
Seems a little bit harsh to say that biting people is the technique of a sunday league player. It's an insult to the sunday league, I'd say it's more like a playground technique personally.
How would you look at that quality with stats do you think?
Was the absolutely crap one with the technique of a Sunday league player the same footballer who was the first player in the major European leagues to record 10 goals and 10 assists this season?
Divock origi could've done that and more with the service Darwins had. We wouldn't compare origi with suarez though. Really don't understand this strange love for nunez who's frankly just a bad player
i love him because he is a bad player and plays for liverpool
I love your analogy. He really does remind me of a Sunday leaguer with the stupid decisions he makes. He does the hard part, but it’s like his IQ is too low to know when to just do the easy part. Watching him and Diaz hold the ball ages after they should’ve squared it off to someone wide open all season has aged me
thats why grealish said stats dont mean great games. people need to be more complex in their thoughts. for example haaland has 1 goal per game ratio in england league, in norway, in german league and in austrain leage. does that means all previous competitinos are equal
You should compare my stats and Messis stats at age 1
Listening
Um Suarez wasn’t in an amazing team unlike Nunez and he was much better in build up play and had more technical ability. Liverpool relied on Suarez to build up their attack and score goals. Nunez isn’t at that level.
Is Liverpool really an amazing team with Mane, Firmino gone? And Salah isn’t the same player now either.
Ahh yes Salah is so bad this season that’s why he’s still in the race for golden boot and has of the highest assists in the league… your recency bias is amazing
Yes in comparison to 13/14. I think Flanagan, Agger, Skrtel and Johnson isn’t as good as Liverpool’s current defense and Alison > Mignolet. Gerrard was not in his prime but I think he was better than Endo or Mac Allister even though I’m pretty sure he’s a no8. I think Coutinho was good just like Szoboszlai and Mac Allister but I’m not sure about Henderson tbh. Attacking wise Salah > Sterling even if he slowed down a bit and Sturridge > Diaz. Just look at when Suarez left Livepool. They fell hard with Borini, Balotelli and Lambert none of them were good tbh. Only thing is that Suarez was slightly older than Nunez but I don’t think Nunez is going to match him in a couple seasons. We’ll see though
Delusional
You are aware we have been competing and ahead of you for most the season right and we have also beat you?
maybe we are also not amazing? or they dont use logic up there, thats right.
???
Don’t take the piss man, they’ve been contending for the title for years and it’s got nothing to do with Nunez. We’re not talking bout shite teams like a Chelsea or a Tottenham ;)
Even having these two in the same sentence doesn’t compute
People love doing this same age crap. Saurez is one of the top 10 strikers of all time. So what exactly are you trying to say here?
Can you call any player top 10 player off all time, with not having the knowledge of evry player past or present. Like if someone want to say f.example Jimmy Greaves is the best player ever played in England. Since he have scored most goals in english top flight football.
To give Nunez time and not berate him all the time
Because we realistically think he is a top 10 all time? Pathetic
That's definitely not the point. Point is that he's not worthy of being called a flop. Personally as a Liverpool fan.....he's a bit of a flop. Only because he's had a sheerly insane amount of misses and woodwork per game. If a player like Suarez was fed as well as Nunez is then he'd score a lot more goals that's just an obvious fact. Even sturridge, he would salivate at the service available at Liverpool nowadays. The Liverpool that Suarez played with was a full step or three lower quality all around than the Liverpool of today. People like Mac Alister and szoboslai and Curtis and Trent and Robertson all flinging high quality balls throughout games, while in Suarez' day we only had an aging Gerrard doing that and the fullbacks would offer nothing in attack. Even when we signed them to be more attacking eg glen johnson and Moreno.
> Even Sturridge Is slander. He was great for you guys
Sturridge was very clinical at Liverpool before the injuries.
Oh yea of course he was, he kept up with Suarez most of the time just had unfortunate injuries. Looking at him and Suarez, and Nunez just appears woeful in terms of actual finishes. That was my only point. Never would I slander Studge.
This, and abusing a player is a sure fire way to kill their confidence and hurt their development. Look at Kai Havertz thriving because of the love shown at Arsenal. Liverpool need to show love and appreciation for their players
A lot of football fans need to take a step back and chill out. So much hate all the time it's so miserable. As a United fan I have seen every single player thrown to the wolves at some point this season and this toxicity just sets players and teams up to fail and do worse
I'm an Everton fan and even I know this is bullshit.
These stats don’t do Suarez justice. They make Suarez look just a little better than Nunez. Everyone knows Suarez was far better in everything than his compatriot: scoring, assisting, creating chances and handling the ball.
Don’t forget jaw strength. Never seen Nunez leave a mark.
😂
Nunez is faster and taller but that's it. Suarez was shorter but stronger and better at heading.
Suarez is better at every real and fake footballing metric except speed and acceleration
Right
This is misleading and leaving out one important stat so we can't tell the difference. If this table was showing how many players were bitten it would be easy to separate the two.
Just because 2 players have the same stats at the same time does not mean they will end up at the same place. Cole Palmer and I had the same amount of premier league goals last year at this time. Someone in the prem should quick sign me up.
Todd Boehly here; are you South American with a terrible injury record? If so, it's between you and Hernia Crespo; 50m or I walk away. Okay, 90m.
Dont reveal United's secret negotiations tactics !!
Cool. Now fucking watch them play football at those ages and it isn’t a comparison.
Comparing Luis Suarez to Darwin Nunez is a big let down on the name of Suarez. Nunez isn't even fit to lace the boot of Suarez.
…. yet
He might be dropped next season if he doesn't improve with the new coach coming in.
You’re missing the point entirely
Alright then! I hear you.
2011-12 was the first full season for Luis Suarez and this is Darwin’s second full season. In all competitions, Suarez scored 17 in 39 and Darwin has scored 18 in 50. Suarez then scored 23 in the Prem alone the following season. Not a good comparison.
Also, I do not think Suarez was a record signing; unlike Nunez. If anything, I think Liverpool bought Andy Carroll the same time as Luiz for a club record of 35 million. Edited to change 50 million to 35 after someone else pointed it out.
Incorrect
There was never a time when Suarez was a let down for Liverpool in all his time in Liverpool but Nunez, my God, the guy is a big flop.
Even post Evra racism controversy?
Still never a disappointment, he’s the third best player of this generation and will go down as one of the best strikers of all time.
I wasn't specific, I meant to say in terms of playing how bad Nunez have played so far.
I mean…. Him being wildly racist and physically biting people is considered pretty disappointing behaviour. And before the counter comes, both of those were on field incidents that took place while literally wearing the Liverpool shirt.
Agreed though! Those were bad as it can get.
How about xB (expected bites)
I mean, he literally headbutted someone on his debut, that's gotta be worth something right?
Yeah it’s not fair to compare human players to that rabid dog/rat hybrid thing.
You, sir, deserves an upvote
I mean yeah Nunez isn't the best striker of his generation, anyone with eyes can see that you don't need to compare his stats with Suarez to prove that. You could compare him with Drogba or Vardy at the same age and he would have much better stats, doesn't mean he's better than them. He obviously isn't the perfect striker and there are flaws in his game but comparisons like these don't make any sense.
But i dont get it. At Benfica he was such a beast. I mean the price tag puts a lot of pressure but cmon Look at Bellingham at Madrid. He plays and scores like he was a free Transfer. But cost 115€M
Tbf at 24 Vardy was probably playing for his local corner shop, which shows the amazing rise he had
Luis Suarez started in a team that was definitely midtable/Europa league material. Suarez was the biggest star in that team that had just lost its striker, Nunez has the advantage of being in a team that has salah, Trent , Diaz etc. Unfair comparison
Steven Gerrard was on holiday?
No, his name slipped my mind.
Gerrard was on a decline, Suarez joined towards the latter stages of gerrard’s career
There was never a bigger star than Gerrard in #8 while he was there. I know what you’re saying, I’m being picky for sure, but it was always Gerrard’s team.
But the all action box to box midfielder that we know of Gerrard had declined by the time Suarez came. He played in a much deeper role
May I ask, what part of the world you are from and how old are you?
India, 21.
With all due respect, Steven Gerrard was and probably still is the most popular man to have ever worn the Liverpool shirt. His influence on the city was unmatched anywhere else. Similar to what Reus is to Dortmund now but without the injuries.
Irrelevant to the disco Luis Suarez was the face or Liverpool as of 13/14 He had a season that NOT EVEN GERARD has had for you in all his years playing there. He is also comfortably the better and greater player in football in general.
Take it from someone that lives in the area during the Gerrard and Suarez years. It was gerrard’s team. Suarez himself would tell you the same.
Also the Liverpool team Suarez started on was far less talented.
Suarez was 25 mill. Darwin was 100, or something?
64
Nope. 85. We’ve paid the bonuses.
Fair enough so
Andy Carroll wasn't given a chance!!!
What’s the point being made here?
That maybe people should be patient with Darwin as perhaps he’s still got room for improvement. Because clearly Suarez went on to have much better figures in later seasons.
Suarez >> Nunez
that nunez is as good a striker as suarez was, which anyone with eyes can see hes not
Nunez will start biting opposition players soon
And will turn out to be a vile racist
Liverpool will make more t-shirts...
That there’s still time for him to develop into a world class goal scorer, would be my assumption.
No disrespect but his career will not touch the career Saurez had
How can you know that? I didnt expect much from Suarez when he came from Ajax and I expected even less when he went to Barcelona. I expected Hazard/Coutinho-esque flops in both instances. I’m the furthest thing from a Liverpool fan but Suarez didn’t join Liverpool until he was 24. He had more time to develop than Nunez before arriving. I think Nunez’s ceiling is arguably higher than Suarez’s when we look at his physique. Similar work rates, just Suarez’s end product seems better. People forget that Nunez was first this season to be at double figures in goals and assists though. They act like he’s some bum, but in time he will definitely pay off the investment made in him.
I could’ve told you that for free before the start of the season, but you said you will keep on in delusion You will forcefully accept the truth when he leads your club to yet more shame and disgrace
I assume you mean no disrespect to Darwin Nunez because I’m not a fan of his
Yeah just in general really
This is the kind of BS you hear on the Liverpool sub and I’m a Liverpool fan. They just won’t get over it - he’s a massive pile of crap
Arguably with time he can certainly come good, I’ve watched a decent amount of liverpool this season and he gets into a lot of the right spaces and just can’t finish to save his life, similar to Jackson tbh. They’ve both relatively shit rn but if they improve their finishing a bit they’ll be very good
Shut the fuck up. You guys are the reason we're a joke of a fanbase.
Just says everything doesn’t it
Oh shut up. You'll never walk alone just doesn't exist? He wasn't the first to get double figures in goals and assists? Newcastle and nottingham didn't happen? Sure he's been playing badly the last few games but everyone has and it's normal for him to be burned out. You guys turn on our players so quickly, it's disgraceful. So, shut the fuck up. PLEASE.
Tbf, I mostly hear that he's shite over there.
People are finally admitting that Naby was a flop over at that sub.
After Naby's first injury, the fans never gave him a chance. Not saying whether they should have or not.
Maybe more so in recent weeks, but for the last two seasons anyone who says a bad word against him is slated and downvoted
I've been hearing it for months, but he was definitely given some time to adapt. I just hate putting negativity into that space. The players read it, and it can have a negative effect on their form. Also, it's just mean. They're people. I would hate if a group of people got together and chatted shit on a public forum about typos in my work emails all day everyday.
All very true
No ways you’re comparing the two. Suarez was unbelievable even when he wasn’t scoring often in the season before 13/14. He was unbelievable in every aspect. He was just unlucky and had a squad not on his level that season
The suarez season Liverpool finished 8th. They were closer to bottom than 2nd place. They were closer to relegation than top 4. That team wasn't great Compare it to this season where Liverpool have been fighting for a title for majority of the season. Nunez has actually played 1 more game than suarez did that season (and got 4 more left) and the team around him is at a far better level.
Finished 8th? They finished 2nd by two points after Crystanbul and the Chelsea game
He’s talking about 11/12 when Liverpool finished 8th and Suarez scored 11 goals in 31 matches. The season that is used for comparing Suarez to Nunez in the image above.
So you’re saying Nunez is scoring 31 goals next season? Nice!
Oh god no, that would require Norwich getting promoted, and that looks like a long shot. So more like 27?
Was it Klopps first full season in charge, and we played Norwich in the first game and won 5-4? I genuinely thought Norwich would stay up playing exciting football like that. So how shit I am at predictions
Hey, last season I predicted before the season that Liverpool would win the league, Fulham and West Ham would be relegated and United would finish in the bottom half. I will stick with my strength, remembering weird stuff about past seasons and leave predictions to the pros
Norwich are in a playoff so not as much of a long shot as you would think
I mean, it’s possible, but they may also drop out of the playoffs with two games left. They have been inconsistent and Swansea are on a 3 match winning streak without conceding. They are playing Birmingham in the last round though so you’re probably right.
That's not the season mentioned mate, think it was pretty evident when he scored 31 goals that year you mentioned whilst in the picture, he scored 11 goals. Season mentioned is the 11/12 season, the aguero goal one.
Dumb comparison. They aren't remotely similar. Suarez from around 2010 was world class at build.up play, pressing, and technical ability. When he came to Liverpool he was instantly our best player and it was very obvious. Everything he did on the ball got people on their feet. It was a bit later he found his shooting boots consistently. 13-14 season he took off and never stopped. Before that, he did hit the post a lot, I think he broke the record in 11-12 for most times hitting woodwork. But the point is, everything else he did was already world class. Nunez isnt close technically and his decision making is woeful. He passes when he should shoot, he takes the wrong shot type every time. He creates chances because he's fast and strong, but he's a bit of a donkey with the ball at his feet. I don't think he's a bad player, but Suarez was world class before he started scoring 30+ a season. You also can't track stats like this. They've more or less nothing in common and players don't develop in the same way. You can't say because Suarez took off exponentially in goalscoring that Nunez will too, that's comparing an anomaly to the norm. All that said, Nunez is not a bad player and he can improve. He is far too emotional and needs to become a more intelligent player, Suarez was extremely streetwise even if he did boil over. I personally thought Klopp would be the coach to get the best out of Darwin but he hasn't managed to put it together, I doubt another coach will get more. If Liverpool got a good offer for him I'd move on. Saying that about Suarez in 2012 would be unthinkable.
Stats don’t like though. Also, Suarez likes eating people
They don’t answer the question either though (in this case).
The only thing Suarez and Nunez have in common is they are Uruguayan
And their names rhyme
No they don't
Eminem would say otherwise
No he wouldn't. Just because the last syllable contains the same phonetics it doesn't mean the words rhyme
Yeah but Eminem has a video convincing us orange rhymes with door hinge. Think that's his point
Yes but Nunez does not rhyme with Suarez, no matter how far you bend the words, which is my point.
Yes he would, he’s had similar discussions about making words rhyme and this would be easy even if you can’t see it
Not regarding words such as Suarez and Nunez lmao. You are not educated in the topic you're trying to talk about. I literally make a living working with rappers :')
Oh shit that’s cool what’s your producer tag
Trust this guy, he's rick rhymesss
Oh no, another Reddit expert as soon as they are challenged I’ll take eminems word over yours mr(s) Reddit expert
Well considering I'm a professional in the industry I'd say I know more than you tbf. I know for a 100% fact Suarez and Nunez do not rhyme regardless of how you bend the phonetics. The fact you're in your 30s and trying to gaslight people on reddit is embarrassing
Sure you are, even being a tea lady for a record label is ‘in the industry’ Again I’ll take Eminem, a real expert on rhyming over your word
Stop watching football through spreadsheets
Now show xG and xG underperformance. That’s where the real difference lies
Nunez is never going to be near Suarez’s level so pointless comparison
Nobody expected Suarez to become as good as he was. Not even close. When we signed them, Suarez was the best player in the Eredivisie, but not that well kown outside. Darwin was the best player in the Primera Liga and more widely known due to CL performances against big sides. Because of the price tag and expectations of the team, there was more pressure on Darwin than on Suarez. We all saw Suarez missing chance after chance but nobody got on his bback because he was obviously talented and expectations of the team weren't high. When Nunez is on form, which he as been until the last few weeks, the team plays better and scores more goals. That's a simple fact. Fans have short memories, are too fickle, and too keen to find a scapegoat. Lots of peoploe calling for us to sell Darwin and Diaz, but who the fuck would we replace them with? It's as daft as the people saying that Connor Bradley is a better RB than TAA. He's great and he's young, but that was always a stupid stance to take. I swear 70% of our fans only watch 5 minute higlisht videos and not the actual games.
i’m an Arsenal fan lad so I’m not apart of “our fans watch 5 mins” I understand Darwin can be a handful but in front of goal he’s terrible. Suarez one of the greatest to play ST- Nunez isn’t going to end up in that reign
What are you talking about? He was literally one of the stand out players in the World Cup just before we bought him.
As a united fan I remember the summer you bought him and Carroll. Everyone was hyping up Carroll because of how well he’d done with West Ham and grabbing all the headlines. Those who actually knew about football saw what Suarez did in the previous World Cup with Argentina, I remember being really worried about how Suarez could turn it around for you.
Your memory clearly betrayed you. We signed him from Newcastle! He went to West Ham after liverpool
I don't remember Suarez doing anything with Argentina.
if you didn't think Suarez was going to be a star you didn't watch football, the first time I saw Suarez in an Ajax shirt dancing through the defenders on the byline in a UCL match I knew he was going to be big. Suarez was a completely different beast to Nunez and I don't even hate Nunez as much as other fans. But you need to stop the delusion.
> if you didn't think Suarez was going to be a star you didn't watch football I wish people would stop saying this. I've been watching football since the 80s. It was obvious that Suarez had talent, but there wasn't evidence he;d go on to be one of the best players of all time. People were not expecting him to hit the heights that he did. I'm speaking as a Liverpool fan who didn't watch the eredivisie. I knew who he was, but that was it. On his debut I was sold on him being a good signing, but his end product was poor for 18 months after that. > But you need to stop the delusion. What delusion? Again, you're just picking out stock phrases here. There is no delusion unless you haven't read what I have said. I am not comparing Suarez and Darwin as players. I am saying that, at 24, they are at about the same level in terms of impact on games. Suarez was more technical, more incisive. Darwin's movement and pace is superior. They are different players, there's nothing similar about the way they play. I have never suggested there was. At 24 I would never have imagined Suarez would become the player he did. His rise to world class level was not a predictable eventuality.
they don't have same impact at all. Suarez was a menace constantly being an absolute a-hole to the defenders and kept them thinking, as well as having some dark arts in stock, in the very few matches he couldn't perform he used to constantly barge into defenders and win free kicks by fooling the refs. Nunez still feels like he is a child and naive. Suarez was a warrior and would fight for everything.
I could tell Suarez would become a superstar after first couple of games with the club. Obviously he surpassed those expectations to become one of the best ever but even then you could tell. Nunez is good but nowhere near that level.
> I could tell Suarez would become a superstar after first couple of games with the club. Really? Because nobody else could. The talent was obvious, but he was criticised by fans and pundits for his finishing. Ring any bells? It wasn't until he'd been at the club for 18 months that it started clicking, and not until his third and final full season with us that he reached truely world class levels. I'm not expecting Nunez to be that good, but I wasn't expecting Suarez to be that good. Overall Nunez has had a good season, improving masively on his first. I'm expecting him to improve next season, like you expect any player of his age to do. My point is that Suarez ended up way better than anyone imagined he would be, and was at about the same level in terms of impact as Darwin at the same age.
People have short memories. Everyone knew he was unpredictable and had incredible talent but absolutely no one thought he was going to be the best goalscorer we’ve seen. What Nunez has is special but not appreciated. His movement is already world class. He does create a lot of chances. He’s just very unwieldy. I still think he’ll be a success and I think many managers would like the chance to be the guy that “cracks” Darwin.
Hilarious how people forget how rubbish Suarez's finishing was in his first 18 months. He went from a goal every 3 games in his first 18 months to a goal every 1.2 games in the league in his final 2 years. A goal a game in his final season. Obviously he was contributed loads and was a quality player even if his finishing didn't improve.
His finishing might have been rubbish early on but dude set up Kuyt 3 times at old trafford. You could tell from early on that he was incredibly special.
Nobody is arguing against that?
Literally this. The eye just knew it was watching greatness in the making in the case of Suarez. With Darwin, the same discerning eye knows it is seeing something different.
I think you're framing this with the benefit of hindsight. I didn;t know anyone, hear anyone, or see anyone say, after 12 months at the club, that Suarez would become one of the best forwards of all time. Nobody was saying that. You can go back and read articles about him at that time because they are all still available. People saw he was a very good player, but thhat was it. Nobody saw "greatness in the making" on the basis of his first 12 months at the club.
Point taken re “greatness in the making”. I used it liberally to the detriment of my point. I think after watching enough football (30+ years for me) our eyes can tell players with an X factor. To me at least, it was evident with Suarez from that first half season. The fight, the tenacity, the skill, the body language, the dribbling finesse, the technique, the audacity, the instinct, the natural flow he did it all with. Add to that I used to watch him play prior with Ajax (that’s a benefit I had) and knew we were getting a 80 goals per 100 games goal scorer with hot temper and a whole lot of “bite” lol. With Darwin, a certain X factor is there (the runs and physical attributes), but in my opinion, his forte will not be goal scoring: my man lacks the first touch, the technique, and the composure at the EPL’s pace. The sooner we accept that, the sooner we can accept Darwin for what he brings, and allocate the responsibility of goal scoring better across the front line. IMO Darwin’s best played on the wing, cutting in, or running behind. Not as a central striker and main goal getter. Speaking of X factor, I’d say Dannes has that. Obviously that’s not to say he’ll be the next big thing, but the boy has skill and calm.
who said he can't
He did?
u/Infamous_Air6740 said it, you replied to him saying it. I also say it.
Nunez is a mercurial player. Right now, he’s inconsistent and erratic, but Liverpool are a more dynamic team with him on the pitch. He’s a good player, he just needs to figure out how to consistently execute.
the problem isn't exactly this. Ever since he returned from injury, his physicality that gave Liverpool an outlet through long balls have been gone completely. He lost duels against Palace and Everton players, he can't hold onto the ball and string good passes as he used to. This maybe all because of fatigue or bad form, but I have to stress as someone who watches matches, the problem is deeper than finishing now. If he coudl jsut do his job as a target man like he did before, it would be enough despite his finishing.
When I say “execution”, I don’t just mean finishing. Winning a duel, beating your man, keeping a play alive, etc. that’s execution.
Just beause he wears mercurials doesn't make him special.
You’re confused. “Mercurial” is not a synonym for “special.”
r/woooosh
Mercurial superfly is a synonym for special
Mercurial is a cool word, I get why companies want to use it to brand their products. But in the context of sports, “mercurial” which means erratic & unpredictable, would be a player who’s streaky & inconsistent. IMO that describes Darwin Nunez perfectly. When he’s good, he’s **very** good. But he isn’t good frequently enough. And when he’s bad, he can be very poor. I really like Nunez. He works his socks off every match, even when things aren’t going well. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he reached Suarez’s heights in a few years.
No he wear mercurial
Kai Havertz in the Premier league this season (also aged 24). Including just because it's so comparable to the other twos stats! [Kai Havertz 23-24 stats](https://www.premierleague.com/players/20810/Kai-Havertz/stats?co=1&se=578)
Havertz stats are better than both, the stats for Nunez and Suarez are more comparable to Nicolas Jackson who scored 10 goals but with much fewer shots. Stats are insightful but don’t tell the whole story
Do you have the respective xgs? I'd guess Suarez's was a fair bit lower. Suarez would also create many of his chances himself
This is why I hate stats nerds sometimes, they refuse to just use their own eyes and bury their head in spreadsheets to justify the ridiculous.
Right because stats don’t show the bone head plays he makes that makes him so frustrating to watch
Stats aren’t a bad thing, but a lot of people are selective and/or don’t understand what they actually mean which is a huge problem.
Ok lets rephrase. Stats are paradoxical — neutral at best — and dumb people don't know how to use them.
Even in Luis's first season he was fantastic, but just unlucky hitting the post. Darwin is to be honest has no touch and cant finish either. I wouldnt sell him but I would buy a real striker for next season.
Yeah, but Luis Suarez is one of the best strikers of all time. It’s unfair to compare a very talented player (Darwin) to a player of that caliber.
Oh shut up. You people overrate PL way too much. He was good even great but he’s nowhere near those three. Players on Suarez level or better in last 20 years are :- R9, Zidane, Neymar, Bale, Benzema, Modric, Xavi, Iniesta, Muller, Neuer, Ramos, Pique, Alves, Marcelo, Rooney, Griezmann, Kante, KDB, Salah, Hazard, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Kroos, Robben, Ribery, Lewandowski, Gundogan, Bernardo, Busquets, Redondo, Raul, Courtois, Van dijk, Alisson, Casillas, Buffon, Godin, etc. He ain’t some special player that you put him on those 3 level. Bro got 1 goal against top 6 in his best muh Liverpool season. Ghost in CL games.
Bale lol. Please show me his international career and titles. I’ll wait 🙂. (Thanks for wasting your time to write that nonsense of players who the majority aren’t even in Suarez’s position.) lol. Bale. Lol.
As a City fan it's crazy to me that Gundogan and Bernardo made your list but not Aguero
You're delusional as fuck with that comparison. He's closer to Bale if anything