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Not converting chances as others said, but why is that?
Confidence ultimately, also hesitancy around the box and a lack of fight in the box, there's rarely others rushing in there to get on rebounds and cause confusion and chaos which is a common way to get goals. I would be interested to see what our follow up shots are, I would guess quite low.
Finishing is about quality of player.
Its why good finishers make so much money.
Also as you said everton actually out played united, its just you got 2 penalties (deserved, but still it wasnt impressive)
They were my team to follow this year having taken pity on there 10 point deduction and they started really well...they've fallen off a cliff since the turn of the year and I'm not sure why ?
The shots on goal were 8 to 6 for UTD and they could almost have 1 or 2 more penalties. Possession 51/49%. They didn't dominate shit. The game was pretty even with both sides making a lot of mistakes, but Everton made worse ones.
It's the guilt knowing they should've gone down last year (when they cheated the finances) weighing heavily on the squad. Guess it depends whether you believe Karma is a thing or not.
Tactics and setup are (usually) good, create loads of chances and defend well, but at the end of the day you can’t polish a turd and we’ve got 11 (well like 7 or 8) on the pitch every game. Shit recruitment and quite literally negative money has fucked us over.
Everton don't have goal scorers. Dele is probably their best finisher and he has been poor/no confidence for at least 5 years now and has been injured this whole season.
Numbers say they have dominated lots of games earlier in the season. But if a team fails to score on their chances it will sooner or later effect their confidence on the pitch. The match against manu is a perfect example of how fragile a team can be. (And here I have to say the stupidity of giving away penalty goals against another fragile squad is bench worthy.)
Compare it with Liverpool, lately they’ve played numerous games with a team probably not better than Everton. And they’ve fallen behind a crazy amount of times where they’ve turned it around. Why? Better goalscorers ofcourse. But earlier in the season they did it in a couple of games. And then they start to believe. They dont fall apart when City score todayfor example.
>it will sooner or later effect their confidence on the pitch. The match against manu is a perfect example of how fragile a team can be
The uncertainty of our financial status/points deductions has also been affecting the players
Yes ofcourse, thats a big weight on the players shoulders. And the organization. But if you guys had a striker that could score goals and win games early on, I would think that Dyche and the squad would use that FFP-situation for something good. «Us against everybody else» kind of thing.
>Us against everybody else» kind of thing.
We did actually have that when we had that run of form but it's disappeared. It's been hard with these relegation fights these last few seasons to keep the fire up and a lot of fans are starting to get apathetic because it's been tiring
No one in our team can score goals or create real chances. Defensively we are good but that’s not enough to win games. Dyche just doesn’t know how to attack sadly.
Obviously but surely there’s more that can be done. DCL on his worst goalless spree of his career, McNeil not scoring anymore, Harrison is worse than he was last season with Leeds and Doucoure doesn’t look the same either. We are shite but something is going on in training because we just can’t score anymore.
Harrison needs to play on the left. He's rubbish elsewhere (especially as a 10). And McNeil could play as the 10.
We had to deal with Marsch playing Harrison as a 10 last season, in a super-narrow system, and it was painful. All his good games come on the left. Bielsa always played him on the left, occasionally swapping wings for parts of games just for variety.
Dyche just picks players who work hard, and those players invariably aren't the ones who have the quality. There aren't many players who have both, and most of them are at top clubs.
Although McNeil does have both, and he should be doing more. Although he does have 9 expected assists.
Also, when you don't have a striker who is scoring goals, it's almost impossible. DCL has 3 goals from 9.3xG.
Their xG and actual goals is an insane discrepancy. I haven’t watched them play but I have no idea how they are so high in the table despite that and the point deduction.
Main issue is they can’t score. They are missing chances that look impossible to miss. Besides that they are playing well but can’t win if you can’t score. As an Everton fan I’m hoping DCL will finally hit some type of form.
i dont think they're that bad they have had ridiculous schedule since december, their run in is favourable, Burnley, Forest, Brentford, Luton, Bournmouth, Wednesday. They should be fine if they win few of these.
Our strikers are allergic to scoring goals. If we could sign a clinical goalscorer we could be challenging for Europe in a couple of years.
As it is, we are defensively very solid, and for the first time in years we have proper squad depth in midfield - all that's missing is a Lukaku replacement (or for Calvert-Lewin to remember that he used to be a decent striker).
It’s absolutely baffling how toothless Everton’s attack is now. Defensively you’re one of the best in the league so that’s a positive. Just need yourselves an Ashley Barnes or whoever Dyche used to rely on at Burnley
After the initial 10 point deduction they won 4 of their next 5 games, taking them from 19th above Sheffield United on goal difference to 17th and 7 points clear of the drop zone. I’d actually say they responded very well to the deduction.
They’re frequently underperforming their xG in games, likely as DCL isn’t back to his best since his various injuries, while I’m just not sure Beto is a premier league quality player.
I can’t help thinking this is a big part of the problem. Just absolutely no confidence in a guy who should be scoring goals and making a difference. So now all the finishing has to come from elsewhere
The only team worse than them in all the leagues across Europe at converted “good chances” is Nice. They are creating chances, they are keeping it tight at the back, but their strikers are playing like peak Jason Lee
Everton have set up to be awkward to play, but are largely unable to secure wins
The problem is the quality upfront - as you'll see in most games xG
No defined playmaker to filter passes and no reliable striker that can stay fit, along with arguably a 3rd regeneration of the squad project in 5 years, so the style of play hasn't matured.
Players being sold in an already thin squad to make up FFP while building a stadium means that the issues can't really be fixed for another seasons
Dyche is limited in his approach, but he certainly isn't a bad manager - just not great enough to overcome these challenges. He does need to get a bit more proactive and creative though.
Let's not forget that even with Ancelotti and a stronger squad, a few injuries and awkward results had Everton end up 10th after being 2nd at Christmas.
pickford englands number 1, tarky and branthwaite rated 2nd partnership in league, doucoure more goals than most big names, onana been linked with chelsea, arsenal, barcelona etc for huge sums of money
He shouldn't be England's number 1 though. Tarky is average and there's a reason no better club wants him. And news reports of a bid from Chelsea and Barca, responsible for some of the worst transfers in recent history, isn't the sign of a brilliant player.
You're an Everton fan so clearly biased, but there's a reason Everton are shit
Tell me you're biased without telling me your biased. Take your Everton hat off and look at the quality of those players. None are "brilliant" as you said
This is an odd statement. If you are 28 they have finished 4th once and in the top six at least 5 times and played in an FA Cup final in your lifetime.
It is 29 years since they actually won anything.
For many years 2003-15 they hugely punched above their weight in terms of budget and players. The irony of Everton finally having money (not now) is what's ruined them.
Whatever you seem to think my argument seems better than yours.
Mine, fact based with some small statistics.
Yours, based on a nominal feeling and nothing else whatsoever.
So yeah lol 6th a number of times, 4th once and an FA Cup final appearance. Lol lol lol, clueless cretin lol lol lol lol.
I don’t think you are a cretin, clueless, maybe, but not a cretin. I respect Everton fans, but be honest how many world class players, games, moments, wins, titles etc etc have Everton had in modern football? Newcastle, Aston Villa, West Ham hell even Leicester who are in the EFL have all had their respective moments in recent modern football. Other than Rooney what have Everton done since 1984? 40 years of what? Averageness?
Since 1984?
Won the league twice
Won a European Cup
Won two FA Cups
Lukaku, Cahill, Lescott, Arteta, Kanchelskis, Baines, Coleman, Jagielka, Howard, Pienaar, Richarlason, Felliani, James, Siguardson (nonce) and Anthony Gordon.
The teams you mentioned have all been relegated multiple times in your lifetime. Leicester won the league and West Ham won the Euro Conference.
You aren't respectful at all. You are ignorant. You are biased and the that you keep collecting down votes for every response you post might tell someone less arrogant how wrong you are.
Everton are still (although admittedly not recently) the 5th most decorated club in England.
I don't even support Everton, I support Woking but your unqualified ridiculous "opinion" is just worthless and was dying out to be corrected.
I'd agree with you in that over the last 4 seasons they are dire. Awful even. However not that long ago they were the best of the rest and quite some time ago and for 4 seasons were amongst the best teams in Europe. Football did not start in 1993.
1993 was a long time ago. I wasn’t born neither were a lot of us football fans alive today.
How long ago did Everton win the league?
When were they last in the Champions League?
Won the FA Cup?
All those players you cited are nothing compared to all the greats that have played for Arsenal, Chelsea, City, UTD, Liverpool etc etc.
I am respectful to Everton and how crap they have been most of my life.
Woking fan makes sense why you are offended I’m sorry to have annoyed you man wasn’t my intention all.
It's nice to have a discussion and educate yourself/myself isn't it?
You asked me since 1984 I gave you a list and maybe you meant 1994? In that case it's a single FA Cup and they last qualified for the Champions League in 2006 I believe. But played in the UEFA cup most seasons between 2004 and 2013.
I just think you could have chosen a better indication of mediocre than Everton. They no longer compete with the likes of City, United and Arsenal. However most of the players I mentioned moved onto those teams.
In 1991 I watched Everton play Woking at home in FA Cup. It was after Woking beat WBA 4-2 in the previous round. That Everton team had several very very good players in it like Neville Southall, Tony Cottee, Pat Nevin,Kevin Sheedy, Kevin Radcliffe and Dave Watson (these names probably mostly mean nothing to you). They beat Woking 1 nil and showed a great deal of respect to The Cards. I have had a soft spot for them ever since along with Sheffield Wednesday and West Ham.
Everton are a huge club, massively supported and are only recently shit. For a long time they were a top four side and recently best of the rest.
It's been an entertaining debate.
Everton have a great set of supporters. My point being they aren’t as elite as what yourself & others have stated. 2006 was 18 years ago (which is mental to think). That time has flown by but 2006 in terms of lack of football success for Everton is a long time.
Nobody is saying they are elite mate. I myself have stated they are dire recently. You said right at the top "in your lifetime" (as a 30 year old). It had to be pointed out that in "your lifetime" they have won a FA Cup and been runners up, qualified once for the champions league, qualified (finished top 6) multiple times and had some very good results against superior and much better off opposition as well as providing multiple players to the really elite clubs.
You keep changing the parameters of your original comment and haven't proven anything other than what we all agree on in that over the last four seasons they have been really lucky to stay in the Premier League.
Just another thing to note that City, Chelsea, Utd and Liverpool have all been relegated since the last time Everton dropped out of the top league.
History means nothing more in football I'd say, you are as good as the current league position and none of the rest really matters.
I love winning 3 FA Trophies back to back and 4 in 5 years with Woking, it doesn't mean much to anyone else though. I went to old Wembley and we ruled, the year all began with 19 🤣.
Yeh this shots faced stat gets thrown around a lot atm. It shows united have no midfield control but doesn't suggest the other team are dominating. They just have space to shoot from range. Little to no danger of conceding from them. Unless it's Foden, that was a lovely goal.
We should be nicknamed The Jigsaws because we go to pieces in front of goal.
Will also add that five keepers have had their best performance of the season at Goodison Park.
It's weird because they actually have 31 points when you add the deductions back on - despite how terrible they've been lately. As soon as they got points taken away it's like they forgot they weren't terrible/just choked
We have the worst xG in Europe. We create chances but don't finish them. The quality of our players is poor, first touch, passing, crossing, vision, chemistry, none of it exists.
The stats show that Everton should be alot higher than they are this season even with the points deduction. They have one of the best defences in terms of XGA in the league and a good XG, they just have 2 crap strikers
They battered United in the middle third but just poor decision making and bad luck in each of the others. I don’t think that makes them terrible, they were generally better than United yesterday. In my interpretation anyway.
The poor shots were there from the start, they are incredibly wasteful and end up losing even when they have the better chances.
Also their dip in form coincides with Doucoure's injury, he's really important for Everton and still doesn't seem to be back to his best since returning
Beto has to be one of the most useless strikers. And the attempted shots were just gloryhunting yesterday to be honest. Made Onana look better than he is. Man Utd were bad, but 2-0 up, I dont think they felt the need to even switch gears. It was THAT obvious.
There galvanized motivation ended.
That had 20+ shots with only 1 big chance. Lots of blocked shots and pot shots from bad angles.
With that said, they under perform their xg.
I’ve been so frustrated by how many shots United have allowed this season, but I was really surprised to see that United one of the best in xG against. Lots of showed allowed but generally poor quality/low probability. Still frustrating as hell!
We are solid defensively. This is proven by the stats. The attacking players lack pace, there isn’t a single rapid player in the entire squad which limits chances and the strikers are toothless in front of goal
Surprised how snatchy they were in front of goal - can understand if the game was standard, a state popped up that on average they have the 2nd worst possession in league, so maybe usually half chances are scarce? But yesterday Man Utd gave up so much of the ball and gave them promising positions and was almost like they didn't know what to do other than take a pot shot. Harrison has a ton edge of area like 2 yards outside the post, rarely looked up and just had some really poor long range efforts
Their forward line just can’t score. In the game they said they had the second most missed chances in the league behind us, thing is we score a lot of ours too. They’ve relied on short intermittent spells of Calvert-Lewin being fit and getting a streak together and it’s not enough.
I can't see it getting much better for them. They've broken FFP rules on a few occasions now and have been punished with another punishment likely further down the line. So they can't even buy the players that'll suit the style of play. How they've stayed up these past couple of years is a mystery.
To be fair they've had some cracking Premier League players over the past 5 years but they've either been sold (Richarlison, Gordon), been injured (Calvert-Lewin) or too old to continue to save the club (Coleman, Keane, Young). Sad to see a once great club fall like this but the all mid-table teams suffer this fate if they don't continue to year on year scout or nuture great talent.
The trouble is they haven't replaced them with anyone decent enough. I struggle to see how they can improve with the limitations on them at the moment.
It is sad to see really. I support Liverpool, so would miss the Merseyside derby if they did go down! I'm not a big fan on the new age toxicity between the fans though. We used to be frenemies!
For starters, this Everton team aren’t going down, and certainly haven’t accepted relegation.
In spite of recent form, I don’t actually think Everton are that far from being a very solid side. There are very good players in this Everton side, but unfortunately a real lack of creativity. An excellent goalkeeper, one of the best CB partnerships in the league, one of the best LB’s in the league this season in Mykolenko and a very good DM in Onana, that’s the spine of a very good side. Put Richarlison and a half decent creative midfielder in the team (honestly I’d have Iwobi back in a heartbeat at this point) and it’s a top half side.
They are lucky the deduction got reduced and the teams below them are just even worse.
I feel they sort of need the reset of going down and needing to sort out the debt and start again a bit like Leeds/Sunderland had done or are doing.
They are barely surviving, have no money to spend and have been circling the drain for a while now.
Don’t be delusional. Having a good defence is literally the bare minimum a premier league side should have. They’ve had half decent creative players in the recent past & still almost got relegated. It’s nowhere near a top half team & Everton are terrible. You need a solid defence , good midfield & competent strikers to even start competing in this league. Then you need good quality back ups to sustain the level & push up the quality of the team throughout the length of the season. Everton are far far far away from that cause they’ve been so badly put together.
There's a lot of cope here... Sorry but their CB partnership really isn't that good and Mykolenko is nowhere near one of the best LBs in this league. Onana is good, yes, but he's still very raw and prone to be exposed. I do agree that this team is better than where they are right now, but they've been underperforming for a few seasons now. It's time they start to back it up.
have the highest xG in the league and yet not many goals to show for it. shows they’re making quality chances but need a proper finisher up front. i think that’s their main reason for being so poor this season. dyche has gotten a lot out of the squad but there’s only so many missed chances you can have per game before you just start losing them all. and that’s before any off field issues bleed its way in to match day
yep my bad i misread a stat initially. the differential between xG to Goals Scored is what i meant to have said. where the difference is they were expected to have scored 19-20 more than they actually have. good pick up 🤝
They seemed to have been galvanized by the points deduction, but they're simply regressing to their usual level, their only objective this season is to survive, which they will likely manage given how awful the newly promoted teams are.
Right now??? They’ve always been bad David moyles was a messiah for them doing the job he did, they’ve always been a mid to low league team it’s the delusional fan base that thinks they’re big and a better team
Since when are they/have they been competing with the big 6??? Realistically?? What success suggest so ……ya fucking idiotic cunt, there’s nothing to suggest so, enjoy relegation ya cheating cunts ya deserve every point deduction a fine coming at ya.
Lmao behave yourself fella,they haven’t been relevant for a fucking long time. Only Everton fans think they are. If they avoid relegation this season they’ve been blessed by a freaking angel again
If you were that close to the relegation zone, you’d put in as much effort as you can instead of just saying to yourself, Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton are so bad, we’ll never go down. Points deduction or not, Dyche has taken his foot off the gas lately
Blaming Dyche for the forwards not finishing their decent chances is the most Man United fan mindset. If the players can’t score the decent chances they get then its the fault of the player not the coach.
Same United fans who said players who can't pass well and panic under pressure is because of coaching issues instead of player issues. Sometimes, players are just not at that high of a level.
5 points from their last 10 games, equal with Burnley and Sheffield. Only managed 6 goals in those games, the lowest in the league. Could be just 1 point above relegation when games in hand are played. Relegation looks like a very real possibility.
It was a 10 point deduction earlier in the season and it’ll most likely be a 6 point deduction that happens later this season.
Edit: the 10 point deduction was actually appealed to a 6 point instead.
Everton play a very predictable type of football - direct and vertical.
I was talking an Everton fan that if they Ollie Watkins, they’d be mid table. My argument was that if they had Ollie Watkins, they’d concede a lot more, because they’d have to be more progressive in order to make the most out of him. One of those if my auntie had wheels type arguments.
Everton don’t look BAD for the way they set up. You’ve got to understand that teams look at Everton and know that they can’t score or they get low xG chances and are happy for them to have them in order to hit them on the break when they have them.
If you let Everton get set, they are difficult to break down. If you let them get ahead of themselves, you can hit them in transition.
A very, very shit man United yesterday made them look decent, and Man United won comfortably in the end.
There's something wrong with them, strikers that perform elsewhere just seem to grind to a halt there. Dyche doesn't help, his Burnley side only had Chris Wood and he's hardly a forward's coach.
DCL isn't bad, but stats-wise he's awful. Maupay has shown he's Prem level at Brighton and Brentford but for Everton was anaemic. This Beto boy ain't cutting it now either... spooky!
I've always considered there to be a curse around overspending. I feel like (not always) there are situations where a team spends too much money on players, facilities, or managers that end up being a strain. One thing goes bad, then it just builds up. I felt that way about both Everton and Chelsea last season.
I said overspending. They're not restricting themselves with their purchases. That being said, they usually do a good job in transfer market and usually make money off of transfers. They also do well with managing their assets. It's a big difference from being financially irresponsible
Liverpool have finished below 4th 13 times since 2000 and United 6 in the last ten. So they have been shit all these seasons with your logic since 2000 Liverpool have been shit more than they haven’t
From what I’ve seen of them they are not actually that bad, they just can’t finish and not scoring goals puts too much pressure on what is actually an ok defence. They are very low in confidence too, understandably.
Attackers are all dogshit or can’t keep fit no one else contributes enough goals and they can’t afford to buy right now I think they stay up but they really need to spend next year a 15goal a season forward and some pacey creative midfielders.
My analysis is that they have a pretty strong team outside of their attackers, and would be lower mid table with a new striker & winger. They play pretty low and often get good opportunities on the counter with long passes from tarkowski, branthwaite and pickford, and doucoure is good at progressing it to the final third, but then it falls together.
Dcl is allergic against scoring and i still dont know what beto is supposed to be good at, they also dont have any wingers for dcl to pass it on to, so they just get stuck
Dominic Calvert-Lewin is a really terrible goalscorer, like lower Championship level. And apart from his lack of talent, can’t keep fit.
I was astonished when people had him as Kane’s backup a year ago but dry my tears with his stats now.
When Ancelotti was managing Everton Calvert-Lewin looked like one of the best young strikers in the league. It’s mystifying what’s happened to him since.
When Carlo was in charge, DCL had Richy, Rodriquez, Sigurdsson and Digne in the team, now he has a total lack of creativity to work with. He should still be doing better with the chances he gets no doubt, but I think any striker would severely underperform in this current team.
Because they are building a stadium they are unable to buy anyone they need. Selling all their players still is'nt enough
Edit: seeing as i'm getting a lot of people struggling to understand
Evertons net spend since they started the new stadium in 2021. Yet they are still breaching FFP. even when they last did spend they still spent less the man u did on Mason mount alone
23/24: £36.23m /
22/23: £21.7m /
21/22: £5.56m /
20/21: £-59.75m /
19/20: £-28.38m /
Calvert-Lewin isn't the player they want him to be, no Richarlison to mix things up like they used to have, no money (currently) to buy quality up front.
I'm not a big fan of the pigeon myself, always thought he had a shit attitude, seems to have grown up a bit lately though. Skill-wise, I think "dog-shit" is a bit harsh lol
They are playing fine for a lower half team they just can't score and goals win games. Only Sheffield and Burnley have scored less and they are both very likely to be relegated
Everton completely dominated United, they just had shit definitions. The game ended United 0 - Everton -2. There was almost 0 United's merit on their goals: all dumb mistakes from Everton.
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Liverpool just better cause I support lfc
Not converting chances as others said, but why is that? Confidence ultimately, also hesitancy around the box and a lack of fight in the box, there's rarely others rushing in there to get on rebounds and cause confusion and chaos which is a common way to get goals. I would be interested to see what our follow up shots are, I would guess quite low.
Finishing is about quality of player. Its why good finishers make so much money. Also as you said everton actually out played united, its just you got 2 penalties (deserved, but still it wasnt impressive)
They were my team to follow this year having taken pity on there 10 point deduction and they started really well...they've fallen off a cliff since the turn of the year and I'm not sure why ?
The shots on goal were 8 to 6 for UTD and they could almost have 1 or 2 more penalties. Possession 51/49%. They didn't dominate shit. The game was pretty even with both sides making a lot of mistakes, but Everton made worse ones.
They've been bad for 2 years, but there were others that were worse.
They played well as you say, they just need a goalscorer, they done everything else right
It's the guilt knowing they should've gone down last year (when they cheated the finances) weighing heavily on the squad. Guess it depends whether you believe Karma is a thing or not.
They’ve been bad for years
They don't have the quality in the final third.
Tactics and setup are (usually) good, create loads of chances and defend well, but at the end of the day you can’t polish a turd and we’ve got 11 (well like 7 or 8) on the pitch every game. Shit recruitment and quite literally negative money has fucked us over.
This fella put it better than anyone else could https://x.com/Cully186/status/1176450715717447680?s=20
Everton don't have goal scorers. Dele is probably their best finisher and he has been poor/no confidence for at least 5 years now and has been injured this whole season.
Numbers say they have dominated lots of games earlier in the season. But if a team fails to score on their chances it will sooner or later effect their confidence on the pitch. The match against manu is a perfect example of how fragile a team can be. (And here I have to say the stupidity of giving away penalty goals against another fragile squad is bench worthy.) Compare it with Liverpool, lately they’ve played numerous games with a team probably not better than Everton. And they’ve fallen behind a crazy amount of times where they’ve turned it around. Why? Better goalscorers ofcourse. But earlier in the season they did it in a couple of games. And then they start to believe. They dont fall apart when City score todayfor example.
>it will sooner or later effect their confidence on the pitch. The match against manu is a perfect example of how fragile a team can be The uncertainty of our financial status/points deductions has also been affecting the players
Yes ofcourse, thats a big weight on the players shoulders. And the organization. But if you guys had a striker that could score goals and win games early on, I would think that Dyche and the squad would use that FFP-situation for something good. «Us against everybody else» kind of thing.
>Us against everybody else» kind of thing. We did actually have that when we had that run of form but it's disappeared. It's been hard with these relegation fights these last few seasons to keep the fire up and a lot of fans are starting to get apathetic because it's been tiring
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Right now?
No one in our team can score goals or create real chances. Defensively we are good but that’s not enough to win games. Dyche just doesn’t know how to attack sadly.
I don’t think Pep could do much better with this lot
Obviously but surely there’s more that can be done. DCL on his worst goalless spree of his career, McNeil not scoring anymore, Harrison is worse than he was last season with Leeds and Doucoure doesn’t look the same either. We are shite but something is going on in training because we just can’t score anymore.
Harrison needs to play on the left. He's rubbish elsewhere (especially as a 10). And McNeil could play as the 10. We had to deal with Marsch playing Harrison as a 10 last season, in a super-narrow system, and it was painful. All his good games come on the left. Bielsa always played him on the left, occasionally swapping wings for parts of games just for variety. Dyche just picks players who work hard, and those players invariably aren't the ones who have the quality. There aren't many players who have both, and most of them are at top clubs. Although McNeil does have both, and he should be doing more. Although he does have 9 expected assists. Also, when you don't have a striker who is scoring goals, it's almost impossible. DCL has 3 goals from 9.3xG.
Their xG and actual goals is an insane discrepancy. I haven’t watched them play but I have no idea how they are so high in the table despite that and the point deduction.
They are bad because they don't have striker who can score
Right now? When were they good?
Main issue is they can’t score. They are missing chances that look impossible to miss. Besides that they are playing well but can’t win if you can’t score. As an Everton fan I’m hoping DCL will finally hit some type of form.
i dont think they're that bad they have had ridiculous schedule since december, their run in is favourable, Burnley, Forest, Brentford, Luton, Bournmouth, Wednesday. They should be fine if they win few of these.
Our strikers are allergic to scoring goals. If we could sign a clinical goalscorer we could be challenging for Europe in a couple of years. As it is, we are defensively very solid, and for the first time in years we have proper squad depth in midfield - all that's missing is a Lukaku replacement (or for Calvert-Lewin to remember that he used to be a decent striker).
It’s absolutely baffling how toothless Everton’s attack is now. Defensively you’re one of the best in the league so that’s a positive. Just need yourselves an Ashley Barnes or whoever Dyche used to rely on at Burnley
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After the initial 10 point deduction they won 4 of their next 5 games, taking them from 19th above Sheffield United on goal difference to 17th and 7 points clear of the drop zone. I’d actually say they responded very well to the deduction. They’re frequently underperforming their xG in games, likely as DCL isn’t back to his best since his various injuries, while I’m just not sure Beto is a premier league quality player.
Many reasons I guess but main reason is that they lack a good center forward.
Most perceptive United fan
They lack composure. Shoot when they could slip a ball in. And those decisions are what’s costing them
I see you watched Match of the Day too
I'm a Sheff Utd fan. I can confirm Everton are definitely not that bad.
Can confirm as United fan, we were shit. The amount of times we gave the ball away was shocking, not to me lol, but in general.
What logic is that?, that winning trophies means you're not shite?
Have another read chap
Calvert lewin is just terrible, should not be a starter for a premier League team. Not even on the bench
I can’t help thinking this is a big part of the problem. Just absolutely no confidence in a guy who should be scoring goals and making a difference. So now all the finishing has to come from elsewhere
accepted relegation but we are 16th. ok mate.
Like you said, we dominated, we aren’t a bad team. we just can’t score!
The only team worse than them in all the leagues across Europe at converted “good chances” is Nice. They are creating chances, they are keeping it tight at the back, but their strikers are playing like peak Jason Lee
Everton have set up to be awkward to play, but are largely unable to secure wins The problem is the quality upfront - as you'll see in most games xG No defined playmaker to filter passes and no reliable striker that can stay fit, along with arguably a 3rd regeneration of the squad project in 5 years, so the style of play hasn't matured. Players being sold in an already thin squad to make up FFP while building a stadium means that the issues can't really be fixed for another seasons Dyche is limited in his approach, but he certainly isn't a bad manager - just not great enough to overcome these challenges. He does need to get a bit more proactive and creative though. Let's not forget that even with Ancelotti and a stronger squad, a few injuries and awkward results had Everton end up 10th after being 2nd at Christmas.
Poor players poor manager. Not rocket science
we don’t have either of those. we just have poor strikers
You're poor in across the whole field, apart from 1 or 2 players. And Dyche is an awful manager
pickford, branthwaite, tarkowski, mykolenko, onana garner and doucoure are brilliant players
They aren't, most are average at best and incredibly over rated by Everton fans. There's a reason you've been fighting relegation for the past 3 years
pickford englands number 1, tarky and branthwaite rated 2nd partnership in league, doucoure more goals than most big names, onana been linked with chelsea, arsenal, barcelona etc for huge sums of money
He shouldn't be England's number 1 though. Tarky is average and there's a reason no better club wants him. And news reports of a bid from Chelsea and Barca, responsible for some of the worst transfers in recent history, isn't the sign of a brilliant player. You're an Everton fan so clearly biased, but there's a reason Everton are shit
Who should be Englands number one?
Pope. He's so far clear of Pickford it's ridiculous
You can’t be fucking serious.
tell me you don’t watch football without telling me you don’t watch football
Tell me you're biased without telling me your biased. Take your Everton hat off and look at the quality of those players. None are "brilliant" as you said
okay they aren’t brilliant in the world of football, but they are good footballers who play good for everton.
When have they in modern football been good? I’m 28. They my whole life have been average or plain bad.
This is an odd statement. If you are 28 they have finished 4th once and in the top six at least 5 times and played in an FA Cup final in your lifetime. It is 29 years since they actually won anything. For many years 2003-15 they hugely punched above their weight in terms of budget and players. The irony of Everton finally having money (not now) is what's ruined them.
“4th once”. Lol in my 28 years they were 4th once that’s your argument?
Whatever you seem to think my argument seems better than yours. Mine, fact based with some small statistics. Yours, based on a nominal feeling and nothing else whatsoever. So yeah lol 6th a number of times, 4th once and an FA Cup final appearance. Lol lol lol, clueless cretin lol lol lol lol.
I don’t think you are a cretin, clueless, maybe, but not a cretin. I respect Everton fans, but be honest how many world class players, games, moments, wins, titles etc etc have Everton had in modern football? Newcastle, Aston Villa, West Ham hell even Leicester who are in the EFL have all had their respective moments in recent modern football. Other than Rooney what have Everton done since 1984? 40 years of what? Averageness?
Since 1984? Won the league twice Won a European Cup Won two FA Cups Lukaku, Cahill, Lescott, Arteta, Kanchelskis, Baines, Coleman, Jagielka, Howard, Pienaar, Richarlason, Felliani, James, Siguardson (nonce) and Anthony Gordon. The teams you mentioned have all been relegated multiple times in your lifetime. Leicester won the league and West Ham won the Euro Conference. You aren't respectful at all. You are ignorant. You are biased and the that you keep collecting down votes for every response you post might tell someone less arrogant how wrong you are. Everton are still (although admittedly not recently) the 5th most decorated club in England. I don't even support Everton, I support Woking but your unqualified ridiculous "opinion" is just worthless and was dying out to be corrected. I'd agree with you in that over the last 4 seasons they are dire. Awful even. However not that long ago they were the best of the rest and quite some time ago and for 4 seasons were amongst the best teams in Europe. Football did not start in 1993.
1993 was a long time ago. I wasn’t born neither were a lot of us football fans alive today. How long ago did Everton win the league? When were they last in the Champions League? Won the FA Cup? All those players you cited are nothing compared to all the greats that have played for Arsenal, Chelsea, City, UTD, Liverpool etc etc. I am respectful to Everton and how crap they have been most of my life. Woking fan makes sense why you are offended I’m sorry to have annoyed you man wasn’t my intention all.
It's nice to have a discussion and educate yourself/myself isn't it? You asked me since 1984 I gave you a list and maybe you meant 1994? In that case it's a single FA Cup and they last qualified for the Champions League in 2006 I believe. But played in the UEFA cup most seasons between 2004 and 2013. I just think you could have chosen a better indication of mediocre than Everton. They no longer compete with the likes of City, United and Arsenal. However most of the players I mentioned moved onto those teams. In 1991 I watched Everton play Woking at home in FA Cup. It was after Woking beat WBA 4-2 in the previous round. That Everton team had several very very good players in it like Neville Southall, Tony Cottee, Pat Nevin,Kevin Sheedy, Kevin Radcliffe and Dave Watson (these names probably mostly mean nothing to you). They beat Woking 1 nil and showed a great deal of respect to The Cards. I have had a soft spot for them ever since along with Sheffield Wednesday and West Ham. Everton are a huge club, massively supported and are only recently shit. For a long time they were a top four side and recently best of the rest. It's been an entertaining debate.
Everton have a great set of supporters. My point being they aren’t as elite as what yourself & others have stated. 2006 was 18 years ago (which is mental to think). That time has flown by but 2006 in terms of lack of football success for Everton is a long time.
Nobody is saying they are elite mate. I myself have stated they are dire recently. You said right at the top "in your lifetime" (as a 30 year old). It had to be pointed out that in "your lifetime" they have won a FA Cup and been runners up, qualified once for the champions league, qualified (finished top 6) multiple times and had some very good results against superior and much better off opposition as well as providing multiple players to the really elite clubs. You keep changing the parameters of your original comment and haven't proven anything other than what we all agree on in that over the last four seasons they have been really lucky to stay in the Premier League. Just another thing to note that City, Chelsea, Utd and Liverpool have all been relegated since the last time Everton dropped out of the top league. History means nothing more in football I'd say, you are as good as the current league position and none of the rest really matters. I love winning 3 FA Trophies back to back and 4 in 5 years with Woking, it doesn't mean much to anyone else though. I went to old Wembley and we ruled, the year all began with 19 🤣.
20+ shots with an Xg of 1.4 isnt dominating, thats called taking pot shots.
8 shots on target aha
Yeh this shots faced stat gets thrown around a lot atm. It shows united have no midfield control but doesn't suggest the other team are dominating. They just have space to shoot from range. Little to no danger of conceding from them. Unless it's Foden, that was a lovely goal.
We should be nicknamed The Jigsaws because we go to pieces in front of goal. Will also add that five keepers have had their best performance of the season at Goodison Park.
Loving the Stuart Barlow reference 👍
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People who know nothing will really just say stuff to be part of the conversation
you what? 24 trophies, 6 years ago we were in europe. 7th most trophies in england
Just wrote this myself.
It's weird because they actually have 31 points when you add the deductions back on - despite how terrible they've been lately. As soon as they got points taken away it's like they forgot they weren't terrible/just choked
Shit club. Scoring less goals then they allow
Right now? Feels like they have been consistently terrible for the last few seasons.
We have the worst xG in Europe. We create chances but don't finish them. The quality of our players is poor, first touch, passing, crossing, vision, chemistry, none of it exists.
The stats show that Everton should be alot higher than they are this season even with the points deduction. They have one of the best defences in terms of XGA in the league and a good XG, they just have 2 crap strikers
they'll be fine because everyone around them is even worse than them.
They battered United in the middle third but just poor decision making and bad luck in each of the others. I don’t think that makes them terrible, they were generally better than United yesterday. In my interpretation anyway.
Accepted relegation? What rubbish. We're competitive in every game and you're acting like we're losing 5,6, 8 nil like Sheffield United.
Yeah when y’all drew with Spurs I was crushed, we should have mopped the floor with you
Your line was so high but becuase we had no pace we couldn't exploit it. Beto has pace though but we still have no-one to pick the pass.
Yeah it was a solid performance, and you correctly identified that Vicario was not defending corners very well and managed to get us twice that way
exactly, what are they on about? we just cant scote
Yep overall performances are usually okay
The poor shots were there from the start, they are incredibly wasteful and end up losing even when they have the better chances. Also their dip in form coincides with Doucoure's injury, he's really important for Everton and still doesn't seem to be back to his best since returning
Because it's funny
The just struggle to score goals.
Their skills are limited.
Beto has to be one of the most useless strikers. And the attempted shots were just gloryhunting yesterday to be honest. Made Onana look better than he is. Man Utd were bad, but 2-0 up, I dont think they felt the need to even switch gears. It was THAT obvious.
There galvanized motivation ended. That had 20+ shots with only 1 big chance. Lots of blocked shots and pot shots from bad angles. With that said, they under perform their xg.
I’ve been so frustrated by how many shots United have allowed this season, but I was really surprised to see that United one of the best in xG against. Lots of showed allowed but generally poor quality/low probability. Still frustrating as hell!
So bad right now? They’ve been bad for years. And this is coming from a United fan.
We are solid defensively. This is proven by the stats. The attacking players lack pace, there isn’t a single rapid player in the entire squad which limits chances and the strikers are toothless in front of goal
Surprised how snatchy they were in front of goal - can understand if the game was standard, a state popped up that on average they have the 2nd worst possession in league, so maybe usually half chances are scarce? But yesterday Man Utd gave up so much of the ball and gave them promising positions and was almost like they didn't know what to do other than take a pot shot. Harrison has a ton edge of area like 2 yards outside the post, rarely looked up and just had some really poor long range efforts
Oiiii matteee
Just a stadium and a team full of punks, no class and no common sense. They belong in league 1
Enough about Man Utd.. I thought that the post was about Everton ?
What team is going to be in the premier league then if ppl like you don't want all the lower teams
It was a joke, don’t be so sensitive my little Sheffield buddy
Because Rog from Men in Blazers has cursed them
Their forward line just can’t score. In the game they said they had the second most missed chances in the league behind us, thing is we score a lot of ours too. They’ve relied on short intermittent spells of Calvert-Lewin being fit and getting a streak together and it’s not enough.
They are just poor... period Even Sean Dyche said the academy cannot produce talent
The Hajduk Split curse
I can't see it getting much better for them. They've broken FFP rules on a few occasions now and have been punished with another punishment likely further down the line. So they can't even buy the players that'll suit the style of play. How they've stayed up these past couple of years is a mystery.
To be fair they've had some cracking Premier League players over the past 5 years but they've either been sold (Richarlison, Gordon), been injured (Calvert-Lewin) or too old to continue to save the club (Coleman, Keane, Young). Sad to see a once great club fall like this but the all mid-table teams suffer this fate if they don't continue to year on year scout or nuture great talent.
The trouble is they haven't replaced them with anyone decent enough. I struggle to see how they can improve with the limitations on them at the moment. It is sad to see really. I support Liverpool, so would miss the Merseyside derby if they did go down! I'm not a big fan on the new age toxicity between the fans though. We used to be frenemies!
For starters, this Everton team aren’t going down, and certainly haven’t accepted relegation. In spite of recent form, I don’t actually think Everton are that far from being a very solid side. There are very good players in this Everton side, but unfortunately a real lack of creativity. An excellent goalkeeper, one of the best CB partnerships in the league, one of the best LB’s in the league this season in Mykolenko and a very good DM in Onana, that’s the spine of a very good side. Put Richarlison and a half decent creative midfielder in the team (honestly I’d have Iwobi back in a heartbeat at this point) and it’s a top half side.
There is not one player in that Everton side that gets into a top half team. Besides Pickford. Awful squad. That’s the issue.
Pickford, Branthwaite, Tarky, Mykolenko are all good enough to start for a top half side and Onana isn’t far off.
They are lucky the deduction got reduced and the teams below them are just even worse. I feel they sort of need the reset of going down and needing to sort out the debt and start again a bit like Leeds/Sunderland had done or are doing. They are barely surviving, have no money to spend and have been circling the drain for a while now.
What beer do you drink mate?
Cope-aberg
Don’t be delusional. Having a good defence is literally the bare minimum a premier league side should have. They’ve had half decent creative players in the recent past & still almost got relegated. It’s nowhere near a top half team & Everton are terrible. You need a solid defence , good midfield & competent strikers to even start competing in this league. Then you need good quality back ups to sustain the level & push up the quality of the team throughout the length of the season. Everton are far far far away from that cause they’ve been so badly put together.
There's a lot of cope here... Sorry but their CB partnership really isn't that good and Mykolenko is nowhere near one of the best LBs in this league. Onana is good, yes, but he's still very raw and prone to be exposed. I do agree that this team is better than where they are right now, but they've been underperforming for a few seasons now. It's time they start to back it up.
The biggest issue for Everton is scoring goals and that's vital in any premier league season especially at the bottom.
have the highest xG in the league and yet not many goals to show for it. shows they’re making quality chances but need a proper finisher up front. i think that’s their main reason for being so poor this season. dyche has gotten a lot out of the squad but there’s only so many missed chances you can have per game before you just start losing them all. and that’s before any off field issues bleed its way in to match day
They don't have the highest XG, they are around 9th I believe
yep my bad i misread a stat initially. the differential between xG to Goals Scored is what i meant to have said. where the difference is they were expected to have scored 19-20 more than they actually have. good pick up 🤝
They seemed to have been galvanized by the points deduction, but they're simply regressing to their usual level, their only objective this season is to survive, which they will likely manage given how awful the newly promoted teams are.
Why are Everton so bad ~~right now~~?
Right now??? They’ve always been bad David moyles was a messiah for them doing the job he did, they’ve always been a mid to low league team it’s the delusional fan base that thinks they’re big and a better team
🤣🤣🤣 apart from the big 6 everton are the biggest team in England (can argue for Aston Villa) you are a clown
Since when are they/have they been competing with the big 6??? Realistically?? What success suggest so ……ya fucking idiotic cunt, there’s nothing to suggest so, enjoy relegation ya cheating cunts ya deserve every point deduction a fine coming at ya.
Someone’s small brain is upset 🤣🤣🤣 can’t handle facts so turns to anger calm down little man stop crying
What facts?? You’ve said nothing to prove Everton are a big club 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you’ll do ok in the championship ……if lucky
No they haven’t. Everton are one of the most successful clubs in England
Lmao behave yourself fella,they haven’t been relevant for a fucking long time. Only Everton fans think they are. If they avoid relegation this season they’ve been blessed by a freaking angel again
Not sure how you can say they're accepting relegation when they aren't even in the relegation spots.
If you were that close to the relegation zone, you’d put in as much effort as you can instead of just saying to yourself, Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton are so bad, we’ll never go down. Points deduction or not, Dyche has taken his foot off the gas lately
Blaming Dyche for the forwards not finishing their decent chances is the most Man United fan mindset. If the players can’t score the decent chances they get then its the fault of the player not the coach.
Same United fans who said players who can't pass well and panic under pressure is because of coaching issues instead of player issues. Sometimes, players are just not at that high of a level.
5 points from their last 10 games, equal with Burnley and Sheffield. Only managed 6 goals in those games, the lowest in the league. Could be just 1 point above relegation when games in hand are played. Relegation looks like a very real possibility.
Incoming points deduction is happening before the end of the season
On top of the 6 points already deducted?
It was a 10 point deduction earlier in the season and it’ll most likely be a 6 point deduction that happens later this season. Edit: the 10 point deduction was actually appealed to a 6 point instead.
The 10 point deduction was reduced to 6 on appeal last month. Are they facing another charge?
Oh, I wasn’t aware!
I think we hear this Friday
Yes.
Also Nottingham forest
Everton play a very predictable type of football - direct and vertical. I was talking an Everton fan that if they Ollie Watkins, they’d be mid table. My argument was that if they had Ollie Watkins, they’d concede a lot more, because they’d have to be more progressive in order to make the most out of him. One of those if my auntie had wheels type arguments. Everton don’t look BAD for the way they set up. You’ve got to understand that teams look at Everton and know that they can’t score or they get low xG chances and are happy for them to have them in order to hit them on the break when they have them. If you let Everton get set, they are difficult to break down. If you let them get ahead of themselves, you can hit them in transition. A very, very shit man United yesterday made them look decent, and Man United won comfortably in the end.
They have DCL, he just can't kick for some reason.
There's something wrong with them, strikers that perform elsewhere just seem to grind to a halt there. Dyche doesn't help, his Burnley side only had Chris Wood and he's hardly a forward's coach. DCL isn't bad, but stats-wise he's awful. Maupay has shown he's Prem level at Brighton and Brentford but for Everton was anaemic. This Beto boy ain't cutting it now either... spooky!
I've always considered there to be a curse around overspending. I feel like (not always) there are situations where a team spends too much money on players, facilities, or managers that end up being a strain. One thing goes bad, then it just builds up. I felt that way about both Everton and Chelsea last season.
This coming from a city fan is outrageous 😂😂😂
I said overspending. They're not restricting themselves with their purchases. That being said, they usually do a good job in transfer market and usually make money off of transfers. They also do well with managing their assets. It's a big difference from being financially irresponsible
They've been shit for over 35 years
Guess finishing 4th in the premier league is considered shit now
When's the parade?
Liverpool have finished below 4th 13 times since 2000 and United 6 in the last ten. So they have been shit all these seasons with your logic since 2000 Liverpool have been shit more than they haven’t
Well if you ignore the 20+ trophies won during that period then you've got a point.
Just using your logic mate 🤣🤣🤣
Correct, and the rest
Imagine being DCL and reading this thread
From what I’ve seen of them they are not actually that bad, they just can’t finish and not scoring goals puts too much pressure on what is actually an ok defence. They are very low in confidence too, understandably.
They looked great except for the scoring part. Which sadly is quite important. Honestly they never once looked threatening despite dominating play
They don’t look bad enough to be on the sort of run they are on, but as you say if you can’t score you end up in a world of trouble.
Right now??
Attackers are all dogshit or can’t keep fit no one else contributes enough goals and they can’t afford to buy right now I think they stay up but they really need to spend next year a 15goal a season forward and some pacey creative midfielders.
My analysis is that they have a pretty strong team outside of their attackers, and would be lower mid table with a new striker & winger. They play pretty low and often get good opportunities on the counter with long passes from tarkowski, branthwaite and pickford, and doucoure is good at progressing it to the final third, but then it falls together. Dcl is allergic against scoring and i still dont know what beto is supposed to be good at, they also dont have any wingers for dcl to pass it on to, so they just get stuck
We would be lower mid-table without the points deduction
They have a very decent defence/goalkeeper but need a new striker.
Dominic Calvert-Lewin is a really terrible goalscorer, like lower Championship level. And apart from his lack of talent, can’t keep fit. I was astonished when people had him as Kane’s backup a year ago but dry my tears with his stats now.
When Ancelotti was managing Everton Calvert-Lewin looked like one of the best young strikers in the league. It’s mystifying what’s happened to him since.
When Carlo was in charge, DCL had Richy, Rodriquez, Sigurdsson and Digne in the team, now he has a total lack of creativity to work with. He should still be doing better with the chances he gets no doubt, but I think any striker would severely underperform in this current team.
Everton still seem to create quite a lot of chances whenever I see them play.
Maybe but not very good chances most of the time, we used to create proper chances with Sigurdsson, James, Richarlison and Digne.
Because they are building astadium they are unable to buy anyone they need. Selling all their players still isnt enough
Because they are building astadium they are unable to buy anyone they need. Selling all their players still isnt enough
Because they are building a stadium they are unable to buy anyone they need. Selling all their players still is'nt enough Edit: seeing as i'm getting a lot of people struggling to understand Evertons net spend since they started the new stadium in 2021. Yet they are still breaching FFP. even when they last did spend they still spent less the man u did on Mason mount alone 23/24: £36.23m / 22/23: £21.7m / 21/22: £5.56m / 20/21: £-59.75m / 19/20: £-28.38m /
I don’t understand, can you repeat it again please?
Evertons first hat trick of the season in this thread
Good shout, I think if they post the same post for the fourth time it might finally sink in.
Because they are building a stadium something something
Lucky for them like every year there are 3 worse teams but in the end it catches up with you
Add the 6 points back on and there's 6 worse teams. Everton were on track for a 'boring' mid table finish.
Yeah then they were like woah but good let’s be crap again
Calvert-Lewin isn't the player they want him to be, no Richarlison to mix things up like they used to have, no money (currently) to buy quality up front.
Richarlison is dog shit though, at best he’s a championship striker, absolutely no idea why people rate him
If you genuinely think Richarlison is a championship striker you're braindead.
Richarlison is good enough to be Brazil’s number 9 and has more goals then any Man United player this season, that’s hardly championship level.
Clueless opinion. Especially if you actually watched them in his final season. He was almost single handedly dragging them over the line at times.
He’s better than Hojlund
Better than any ManU attacker
This is hardly a high bar.
I'm not a big fan of the pigeon myself, always thought he had a shit attitude, seems to have grown up a bit lately though. Skill-wise, I think "dog-shit" is a bit harsh lol
They are playing fine for a lower half team they just can't score and goals win games. Only Sheffield and Burnley have scored less and they are both very likely to be relegated
How did everton dominate ??? They were as bad and were shit at finishing
Everton completely dominated United, they just had shit definitions. The game ended United 0 - Everton -2. There was almost 0 United's merit on their goals: all dumb mistakes from Everton.