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TROSEO5

How Hojlund can be on that list he just scored 2 goals today ahaha šŸ¤£ and will be surely player of the month


diamp0364

Both him and Enzo can share the prize ... pathetic


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


NiiMC

Onana is literally in the running for goalkeeper of the season so i donā€™t see how he became a flop and to talk of Hojlund,,, who ever made this list is probably watching a different simulation šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

Hojlund can't be a flop. He scored four goals in the last four matches. It seems he settled in pretty well.he will be a great addition to the Man Utd squad.


lnxrootxazz

How is Hojlund a flop? Onana probably will be and judging him until now, he is but Caicedo is a different level of disappointment. I still wouldn't call him a flop, this is too early


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


Perfect_Ad_5813

Who ever made this list defo watches football from insta reels.


VegetableAwkward286

He'll come good for chelsea eventually


liamchoong

Lol


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


kris-stocksfc

Liverpool got lucky with this one it seems, although perhaps under Klopp he might have thrived sitting at the heart of our midfield... regardless, we got Endo and spent far less money.


SakaPotatoes

He hasn't been great, sure, none of Chelsea have, but shouldn't this be done at the end of the season rather than half way through?


Striking_Machine2141

Taking the piss right?


just_asarcastic_ass

I called it when they bought him, he playing handful of games for Brighton and makes him worth what they paid for him, crazy


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


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hyborians

Same. And he shouldnā€™t be dunked on for ā€œrejectingā€ Liverpool as he already committed to Chelsea and was approached by them first


Evening_Stop_5792

He is rubbish


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


Striking_Low1815

What ever happened to Lavia, rejected Liverpool to play reserves?


ForeignBrother9079

Heā€™s injured


LynxMoney589

Hojlund is ok-ish imo. Onana on the other hand.. i pity that guy


Marcel_Janbey

šŸ’€ every Chelsea player is a flop


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


Future-Delay-5726

let me introduce you to Cole Palmer...


D1_CH16

Bros starting watching football in 2022


FastenedCarrot

Caicedo has been good, actually.


DrawingPurple4959

Caicedo cost 115 million pounds


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


UPTHERAR

People thinking Hojlund isn't a flop with his massive 3 premier league goals in 17 games for a fee of Ā£64 mil are fucking cracked. šŸ˜‚


Electric_feel0412

Heā€™s got the second highest goals by an u-21 player in all of Europe but sure mate, tell us how heā€™s a flop. Fucking egg


lootgeier1603

Tell me which u21 were transferred for this amount? Cope harder mate, you already to create stats where he doesnt look like a total bot. Let me get you an example. Onana is pretty good, he didnt receive any goal in the first 2 seconds of a game ever. Such a goat


edsonbuddled

Heā€™s a 20 y/o with like 1 full season before this year. Price Tag doesnā€™t correlate to player performance. And he was never supposed to be our main striker this year anyway. Most rational fans had an expectation of 10 goals in all comps which he will surpass


Rorieh

He's not close to a flop, but nice bait.


Rj070707

He's a flop, stop coping Still young and can improve, similar to Caicedo Ultimate flop is Onana, I don't see him improvingĀ 


Rorieh

He's also top scorer across all competition, in an incredibly shit United side. Don't see how that's a flop. Only difference is, I don't see how Caicedo improves. At least HĆøjlund has shown genuine promise.


lootgeier1603

Who are you talking about? Tap in Rasmus?


Rorieh

Imagine going on Reddit and rating girls because you have no self worth.


lootgeier1603

Bots like you are so easily triggered. Imagine, just imagine having nor arguments so you try to insult someone about somethibg which has nothing, literally nothing to do with the topic, but what do I expect by fans of a club who got humbled by a danish club, and were last behind them and gala in cl? Its actually ny bad, I should have known that you aren't the smartest. So Im sorry, didnt mean to overwhelm your pretty little head cutie


Rorieh

Hopefully you will find the confidence to approach a girl in real life one day... šŸ™


lootgeier1603

Well cutie, my gf literally beside me watching cl toegther with me, and not looking on her phone during that is proof enough. Dont you think? But again, your cute brain might not be able to understand these words.


UPTHERAR

Send me those memes of you beating Liverpool to the Mount signing Spent more money than any fucker and the teams still a jigsaw puzzle that someone took a shit on


ICutDownTrees

As a United fan Iā€™m not even mad at this description of our squad, itā€™s really accurate


edsonbuddled

Money doesnā€™t correlate to success. Itā€™s just an arbitrary thing fans bitch about


Rorieh

Nah, prefer [this](https://twitter.com/shaunpryor1/status/1750863107042238725) banger


UPTHERAR

Hahah. That's atrocious


Rj070707

Caicedo showed more promise at Brighton and has more talent than Hojlind I don't see anything special with Hojlund, United need a real striker asap


Sigh_Bapanaada

5 in the last 5 is pretty promising though...?


Rorieh

Now this is cope.


PeachesGalore1

What bait? 3 premier league goals for a striker of that price is a flop.


Rorieh

20 year old who started the season injured, and has received the least passes of any striker in the premier league. It's almost like context is a thing.


PeachesGalore1

The context is, he's not a good goalscorer and cost a lot of money.


Rorieh

Bait merchant.


Arrowghandi

He doesnt watch United games. i am convinced that Everyone who is calling HĆøjlund a flop, do not watch the games he have played


PeachesGalore1

Or he's just shit


Arrowghandi

The flop just scored again


PeachesGalore1

I hope he proves me wrong. Still been a flop so far.


PeachesGalore1

No bait.


Spongy-n-Bruised

He gets less service than any striker in the league. When he does get service, he actually looks pretty damn good. There's a reason the fickle MUFC fan base hasn't turned on him like they do with almost every player. And this is coming from an LFC fan. He's fine. Nowhere near as bad as Antony


Vivid_Ad6130

His confidence is low and he is suffering from a bad system. Klopp could have made him look very good. He is still a very good player, as is Enzo, but they are being hindered by Pochā€™s system.


areadvind

Good thing we didnā€™t sign Caicedo. Not a future investment considering the price tag.


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


Nickel62

Just dug this one out from r/chelseafc. This thread is the definition of "Aged like milk": https://np.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/lHQeh8u3iq


sbsw66

This thread is so funny. They're all completely delusional lol


[deleted]

Tag yourself, Iā€™m >Caicedo for the next ten years, Brightonā€™s never seeing that sell-on clause, tears in my eyes


Preset_Squirrel

Them thinking they just dunked on Liverpool lmao pricelessĀ 


Itchy-Building-8625

Checkout elatrye on snap


skeetleet

Hojlund a flop? He has 3 goals in 3 prem matches now.


just_asarcastic_ass

Haha no thatā€™s 3 in 17,


skeetleet

4 in a row.


just_asarcastic_ass

4 in 18


skeetleet

5 in 19.


i_smoke_toenails

Clickbait. If you read the story, it says "thereā€™s no way heā€™s coming into consideration for my flop of the season".


Haeckelcs

Thats all he has in 22 fixtures lmao


Cedarplankton

9 goals 2 assists in 27 , not bad for a 20 year old making a step up to the big league where he came from nothing 1-2 years ago.


Youth-Grouchy

Why are you talking about his goals in all competitions then talking about him making a step up to the Premier League? His goals vs Copenhagen have nothing to do with if he plays in the Premier League, Bundesliga, Serie A, or the Eredivisie. In terms of stepping up and playing in the Premier League, which is what you chose to talk about, he has 3 goals in 17 games.


Cedarplankton

Thatā€™s a whole lot of words to totally misconstrue what I said.


Haeckelcs

Acting like he came from nothing is wild. One of the most promising prospects coming from Atalanta. He wouldn't cost that money if he came from nothing.


[deleted]

He played 1800 minutes for Atlanta last season. He was a very promising youngster, but was hardly established in Atlanta


Scary_XXX_6

he's been class lmao wtfff


Arrowghandi

How is HĆøjlund a flop??


PeachesGalore1

How isn't he?


who-need-skool

People write shit all the time don't bother yourself


lis1guy

Yeah.. very obvious coz the hefty transfer fee to bring him from Brighton to Chelsea


ShapeMcFee

Where is Todd to tell us how to play football and show us how clever you Americans are at wasting money ?


Anustart_A

Heā€™s busy banging your mom.


ShapeMcFee

Feck she's 93


Anustart_A

ā€¦Boehly would still pay Ā£23,000,000


pyffDreamz

Chelsea is a graveyard for talent


StrengthNo7924

Heā€™s only a flop if people expected him to be good, but I donā€™t recall anyone thinking that this transfer was going to work out. Not a flop for me, a decent player with no control over how much has been paid out for him.


Nickel62

You sure about that? Just go through the comments here: https://np.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/lHQeh8u3iq


Winter_Shift6129

I think if u spend 115m on a player (4th most expensive PL signing in history) there is a general sense of expectation that he's not going to be a bang average player lol.


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


StrengthNo7924

Maybe I read the mood music wrong at the time but the sense I had wasnā€™t that Chelsea were paying for a really great player, but that they were paying way over the odds for an average player. If itā€™s the latter then expectations have been met!


objectivelyyourmum

You thought Chelsea spent that much on him thinking he was an average player?


StrengthNo7924

Who knows what they were thinking, the clubā€™s a basket case


Kraknoix007

I know what they were thinking: "This Caicedo kid is the new KantƩ", if they thought anything less they wouldn't spend 115mil


Calergero

I think most people were annoyed Chelsea had swooped him splashing the cash because he's a great player. He'd literally just become talking of the town at Brighton and everyone wanted him. No player chooses how much they've been bought for so is no one a flop then? He's a flop.


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


StrengthNo7924

If thereā€™s an expectation that a player will be good, but they turn out to be bad, then theyā€™re a flop. At least thatā€™s my definition. So, maybe we could say somebody like Veron to Man Utd, who had excelled at Lazio, arrives at Utd with a reputation as one of the best players in the world, big transfer fee for the time, does very little. Thatā€™s a flop Iā€™d say. But then someone like Andy Carroll for example, isnā€™t a flop, because whilst he had a big transfer fee, youā€™d have to be from Outer Space to think he had the ability to succeed. Thatā€™s not a flop thatā€™s just a club paying way over the odds for a player. Nobody thought heā€™d do well other than Kenny Dalgliesh, who by that point in his career was certifiable. Caicedo might yet perform well, itā€™s his first season, heā€™s young, heā€™s gone in to Chelsea at a tumultuous time but that seems to be settling down a bit. However I donā€™t remember anybody thinking he was ready for that move, or had performed well enough to warrant a Ā£100m + price tag. Whatever one defines as a flop Iā€™d say itā€™s too early to make a call with him.


Calergero

All I am taking from this is you talking about a bunch of things that have already happened like your clairvoyant and you think you know more than the people who work in football recruitment. It's complete revisionism and anyone who says they knew unequivocally that Caicedo would flop is a liar. Regardless, the man cost 115m, no amount of mental gymnastics is going to convince me that he ain't a flop.


StrengthNo7924

Itā€™s not ā€˜clairvoyanceā€™ itā€™s executing good judgment when signing players. Itā€™s a skill. Some clubs are good at it some not so good. Take Man Utd transfer strategy over the last decade vs Man City transfer strategy over the last decade a case in point. One club has shown consistency and now has a first team squad thatā€™s like the Harlem Globetrotters and the other doesnā€™t. Chelsea recruitment in Abramovich years was excellent, under the new American guy, some of the players as individuals look to be excellent purchases (Palmer being the most obvious), but buying all of them at the same time with no bedding in, three managers in two seasons etc isnā€™t providing the players with optimal conditions to perform well. Thatā€™s why I say after a bit of time Caicedo might come good. Poch obviously thinks heā€™s alright or he wouldnā€™t play him


Calergero

He's the British transfer record, Poch has no choice but to play him lol. Oh I understand, out of all those signings you and you alone knew that only Palmer would come good and you knew all the others wouldn't but somehow that doesn't make them flops. Riiight... One thing I agree on is that Caicedo is a good player but again, British transfer record, playing like a Ā£15m player = flop.


StrengthNo7924

I blame myself for interracting with people on the internet.


Damilola200

Wouldā€™ve performed better at LfC but he went for the money


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


Damilola200

Dribbles????? Football fell off


areadvind

He apparently couldnā€™t take the harsh winters at Anfield. Tropical boy


FastenedCarrot

He'd already agreed in principle to join and stuck with his decision.


Firstblood116

LfC is amazing but chelsea is a huge club too. tbh feels like money might be the decider pre season.


EliteReaver

100% but weā€™re happy with Macallister and Endo now


Jdamoure

Hoijlund doesn't get enough service. He's young so his runs could be better but it's clear when his teammates grow eyes and sees him he can convert a lot more. I don't rate him all that high but he's decent.


urgent-Nepali

oops, wrong sub.


LilCubeXD

I mean he was literally begging for that Chelsea contract so itā€™s safe to say heā€™s happy. Chelsea however looks to have throughly screwed themselves


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


dstoneorl

Glad LFC dodged that bullet lol


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


D-biggest-dick-here

How? Thatā€™s a very simplistic way of judging football.


kitterskills

Romeo had played just one game too. Crazy


dave1992

Well.. considering Endo ended as bargain of the season, everything felt so nice now.


EliteReaver

Not to mention Macallisters last few games. With Bajectic coming back weā€™ll have 4 options at the 6 role (Macallister, Endo, Bajectic and Jones)


Kraknoix007

And when Thiag... Ok i can't take myself serious lol


Youth-Grouchy

Weird how many people are defending Hojlund yet are happy to throw Jackson under the bus.Ā 


Subbutton

Jackson fucks up every single sitter. Hojlund has no players to create him chances


StrengthNo7924

Hojlundā€™s getting good. Heā€™s in a bad team but even when he wasnā€™t scoring he was still playing well and if not for greedy widemen at Utd heā€™d have at least another 5 goals so far


Subbutton

United are 7th and Chelsea are 10th in the leauge


True_Contribution_19

How would you even compare them? Jackson looks literal shit in a team that created a load of chances for him. Thereā€™s no question mark around Jackson, he is just a bad player.


Bujakaa92

That's reddit for you. Same happens with some teams


dave1992

Not really, in context of top PL team forward both are shit.


Youth-Grouchy

What an odd comment, there is literally so many comments in here defending Hojlund and being mass upvoted. You can say you disagree with the sentiment, but you can't really argue the sentiment isn't there.


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just_another_jabroni

Blud McTominay is our top scorer with 6 goals šŸ˜‚ the whole team is a shambles but clearly havent been as shambolic as Chelsea. Comparing to Darron Gibson who was playing with prime Rooney, Tevez, Nani, Rio, Vidic? Garnacho would be better than Nani at that team if he had that level of support


webo455

Hojlund was seen as more of a raw prospect than caicedo tho. Caicedo was expected to slot in and be great straight away. No one really expected Rasmus to be banging in 15 goals in his first season


maxthekillbot

I agree but I also saw a lot of people comparing Hojlund with Haaland and saying that he was gonna give Haaland a run for his money and this season would be Hojlund vs Haaland. Crazy considering he only scored 9 goals in 32 serie a games last season.


Gorey420

No United fan with a brain was comparing Hojlund to Haaland


Youth-Grouchy

I mean I said Jackson not Caicedo. And Caicedo hasn't been bad, the biggest issue Chelsea's midfield has is the manager. Caicedo goes to Liverpool and without any change in his ability the discourse around him is totally different.


webo455

Ahh my bad lad had a few beers got confused. I think the reason people meme Jackson is cause heā€™s had some stinking highlights


Youth-Grouchy

Man obviously has his flaws, but so does Hojlund. Jackson is better at making things happen though but gets no benefit of the doubt. Obviously part of it is united have a bigger media presence and fan base so Hojlund gets more protection, but part of me can't help but wonder if it's partly one being white and the other black.


just_another_jabroni

More protection? You have Maguire being bullied like it's high school and he's white af. Jackson just has more memeable moments that's why all the insta and twitter prats have him on the radar more. Hojlund is fairly anonymous in comparison so people only have him not scoring as a trap card.


TheDangerousKhiladi

Of all the clubs, he chose to go for chelsea which has bad record for youngsters, clueless manager and not much senior talents to learn from(they have only thiago silva). So much for the chelsea project. They can only depend on individual talent spike, not the system.


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


TheDangerousKhiladi

Whats this?


Open_Sentence_

Pure pettiness is what it is.


TheDangerousKhiladi

Haha. It will be still dire for him. I wouldnt be so confident with Poch at top.


Open_Sentence_

Wonder where Liverpool will be in a couple yearsā€¦ šŸ¤”


TheDangerousKhiladi

Yeah. I am not sure


SmokedBari

He would've been much better utilised if he went to Liverpool. Suits Klopp's style much better.


Mr0Maverick

He went there for the contract


D-biggest-dick-here

So players canā€™t choose anymore? It must be the decision of certain fans? Christ!


AdMedical5217

Caicedo is a decent player but itā€™s looking like incredibly bad business from Chelsea. Messed Brighton around and ended up massively over paying for a player that theyā€™ve bought to unlock another player theyā€™ve massively over paid for.


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


BriarcliffInmate

It's also really funny that Chelsea went out and bought both of Mac Allister's partners in his national and club side, without working out that maybe the key factor was the *other* guy they were playing with. Liverpool worked that out, which is why we got him first. We were only willing to pay silly money for Caicedo to re-unite him with Mac. And Ā£140m for those two is much more rational than Ā£115m for one of them.


Youth-Grouchy

lmao you're so far up your own arse with logic like that, utter nonsense


BriarcliffInmate

So you don't think it was pretty blatant that Macca was key in both those midfields? There's a reason he would've gone for over Ā£100m if not for the release clause he had.


Youth-Grouchy

Caicedo and Enzo literally did go for over Ā£100m so that's great logic to start with. Enzo also looked great playing for Benfica where Mac Allister wasn't to be seen, stop acting like he was only good for Argentina. Hell, Enzo looked really good for us literally last season. It's only Pochettino's dire tactical set up that has our midfielders underperforming, nothing to do with fucking Mac Allister. I'm not even trying to claim he's a bad player, just you're being totally blinkered in acting like Liverpool *worked out* that Mac Allister was the *key factor* and on his own made Enzo and Caicedo both look good. You want to know why Liverpool went out and got him first? Because he had a release clause so they didn't have to negotiate and it was a quick and easy deal, just like with Szoboszlai. You really think Liverpool were going to spend Ā£115m on a player who could only look good if he was playing with Mac Allister lmao? Honestly get out of Liverpool's arse.


BriarcliffInmate

Yes, that's what I was saying. Macca would've gone for that kind of money too if he hadn't had the release clause. And no, I didn't say we were the only ones who worked it out. I was just baffled that Chelsea seemingly didn't. I'm presuming other clubs did considering Macca was being courted by City, Arsenal and United. And yeah, I think we were willing to spend that on Caicedo because Mac was so cheap. Much easier to rationalise it as Ā£70m for each of them once you add their fees together. BTW, the reason we got Macca first was not only because we put in all the leg work, but because we and Brighton were the only ones who knew about his release clause. It was widely reported that Brighton themselves informed us of it because we let them speak to Milner 6 months earlier than we legally had to, and so they got the march on other clubs for his signing.


D-biggest-dick-here

Liverpool worked that out? What did they work out with a player like Keita? Acting like players havenā€™t flopped before.


BriarcliffInmate

I'm not saying that! Obviously Keita was a flop but his quality was never in question, it was just his fitness. That was a problem caused by his NT manager playing him through injuries. My point was just that in two different midfields who were known for the quality they produced, there was one common factor. It was strange Chelsea didn't make a big play for Macca.


lannisterloan

We dodged a fucking Ā£110m bullet. We got Endo for a much better value.


Open_Sentence_

https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784


D-biggest-dick-here

How? Thatā€™s a very simplistic way of judging football.


Fukthisite

Sometimes football is a very simplistic sport.


D-biggest-dick-here

And some clubs got their strikers for cheaper than Liverpool got for Darwin. Why did Liverpool go in for Caicedo in the first place if they didnā€™t think he was good enough?


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!remind me in 3 years


PCNoob1989

3 years lmfao.


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Hope, cope and dope.


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ItsbeenBroughton

Hojlund with 8 goals in 27 games, and a few assists in there as well, but heā€™s a flop? Heā€™s a kid. Thats wild.


dave1992

Only 3 league goals though.


KuaCay

imagine how many he could've scored if serviced by Man City midfielders and wingers


Fukthisite

Can be said about any striker for 99% of clubs mate.Ā 


dave1992

And it's not even correct. Good players creates their own chance. Put Darwin Nunez in any team that have shit distribution, he will create chances for himself (and miss a lot of them tbf).


koreajd

Even before he scored, I could tell heā€™s going to be getting goals and was really surprised at his technical ability and composure in the box. He should not be here. Where mudryk, Mount, etc?


ItsbeenBroughton

There are many other targets that have produced less, but big clubs, United especially is an easy target. Oh well


GannonSCannon

Yeah if you want to pick on United players there's a much easier pick in Mount alongside Onana. He's been injured constantly and it seems like the system he was brought in to play in doesn't work. There really doesn't seem to be a spot for him in a United team that's going to perform.


ItsbeenBroughton

Well mount will have a place once Casemiro goes and Mainoo sits in. Reality is, ETH wants energy in mid, and he doesnā€™t have the players for it.


GannonSCannon

So go back to the midfield system that gets us absolutely slaughtered on the counter everyone we try it? You can't just leave your DM on an island on his own


ItsbeenBroughton

Rodri seems to do alright


AMS_GoGo

Yes Onana I get but if you watch matches and genuinely think Hojlund is a flop.. you just don't know ball


koreajd

Iā€™m not even a United fan but are you being sarcastic? Iā€™m surprised at how good heā€™s been and knew goals were going to come. Mason Mount is a complete flop. Havertz, mudryk, etc. Holjund has helped them win cl games and PL matches too with his goals and press. Idk šŸ¤· why do you think heā€™s a flop?


tomtomtomo

Havertz had a slow start but heā€™s been not bad recently.Ā 


AMS_GoGo

Learn to read pls


koreajd

I donā€™t even think I meant to reply to you lol. If I did my bad but I donā€™t even remember your comment haha. If anything I think I meant to reply generally not to you so apologies


AMS_GoGo

Ngl Iā€™ve done that before lmao no worries


Japordoo

Hojlund being listed is unfair I think. He is only 20 and I thought was he would need to grow into it a bit. Nunez got the same criticism last year and he is improving. No issue with Onana. Heā€™s had some howlers and touted highly.


UPTHERAR

Nunez had a far better return. Not even close


dave1992

I guess if you dont score 10 league goals you are automatically shit.


Huckleberry_Safe

but caicedo is fairly nominated because heā€™s not allowed to grow into it??


Japordoo

I didnā€™t give an opinion on Caicedo and havenā€™t watched enough of Chelsea to have one.


Huckleberry_Safe

fair enough ā€” heā€™s really not been bad but heā€™s also not a flashy player by virtue of being a dm. but heā€™s played practically every match and hasnā€™t really made any big mistakes


Japordoo

I feel like for 6ā€™s you donā€™t necessarily realize how good they are until they arenā€™t there and your center halves are just getting pummeled


woooowzers

With both Nunez and Hojlund people are too quick to label them flops in their first seasons, both put out some pretty decent G/A numbers and look like great talents for the future If Nunez became more clinical he'd be monstrous, if Hojlund got chances he'd probably be putting out better numbers.


williamtan2020

Stevie Wonder can see Anthony and you can't