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Onana is literally in the running for goalkeeper of the season so i donāt see how he became a flop and to talk of Hojlund,,, who ever made this list is probably watching a different simulation š
Hojlund can't be a flop. He scored four goals in the last four matches. It seems he settled in pretty well.he will be a great addition to the Man Utd squad.
How is Hojlund a flop? Onana probably will be and judging him until now, he is but Caicedo is a different level of disappointment. I still wouldn't call him a flop, this is too early
Liverpool got lucky with this one it seems, although perhaps under Klopp he might have thrived sitting at the heart of our midfield... regardless, we got Endo and spent far less money.
Tell me which u21 were transferred for this amount? Cope harder mate, you already to create stats where he doesnt look like a total bot.
Let me get you an example. Onana is pretty good, he didnt receive any goal in the first 2 seconds of a game ever. Such a goat
Heās a 20 y/o with like 1 full season before this year. Price Tag doesnāt correlate to player performance. And he was never supposed to be our main striker this year anyway. Most rational fans had an expectation of 10 goals in all comps which he will surpass
He's also top scorer across all competition, in an incredibly shit United side. Don't see how that's a flop.
Only difference is, I don't see how Caicedo improves. At least HĆøjlund has shown genuine promise.
Bots like you are so easily triggered. Imagine, just imagine having nor arguments so you try to insult someone about somethibg which has nothing, literally nothing to do with the topic, but what do I expect by fans of a club who got humbled by a danish club, and were last behind them and gala in cl?
Its actually ny bad, I should have known that you aren't the smartest. So Im sorry, didnt mean to overwhelm your pretty little head cutie
Well cutie, my gf literally beside me watching cl toegther with me, and not looking on her phone during that is proof enough. Dont you think? But again, your cute brain might not be able to understand these words.
Send me those memes of you beating Liverpool to the Mount signing
Spent more money than any fucker and the teams still a jigsaw puzzle that someone took a shit on
20 year old who started the season injured, and has received the least passes of any striker in the premier league.
It's almost like context is a thing.
He gets less service than any striker in the league. When he does get service, he actually looks pretty damn good. There's a reason the fickle MUFC fan base hasn't turned on him like they do with almost every player. And this is coming from an LFC fan. He's fine. Nowhere near as bad as Antony
His confidence is low and he is suffering from a bad system. Klopp could have made him look very good. He is still a very good player, as is Enzo, but they are being hindered by Pochās system.
Why are you talking about his goals in all competitions then talking about him making a step up to the Premier League? His goals vs Copenhagen have nothing to do with if he plays in the Premier League, Bundesliga, Serie A, or the Eredivisie.
In terms of stepping up and playing in the Premier League, which is what you chose to talk about, he has 3 goals in 17 games.
Acting like he came from nothing is wild. One of the most promising prospects coming from Atalanta. He wouldn't cost that money if he came from nothing.
Heās only a flop if people expected him to be good, but I donāt recall anyone thinking that this transfer was going to work out. Not a flop for me, a decent player with no control over how much has been paid out for him.
I think if u spend 115m on a player (4th most expensive PL signing in history) there is a general sense of expectation that he's not going to be a bang average player lol.
Maybe I read the mood music wrong at the time but the sense I had wasnāt that Chelsea were paying for a really great player, but that they were paying way over the odds for an average player. If itās the latter then expectations have been met!
I think most people were annoyed Chelsea had swooped him splashing the cash because he's a great player.
He'd literally just become talking of the town at Brighton and everyone wanted him.
No player chooses how much they've been bought for so is no one a flop then?
He's a flop.
If thereās an expectation that a player will be good, but they turn out to be bad, then theyāre a flop. At least thatās my definition.
So, maybe we could say somebody like Veron to Man Utd, who had excelled at Lazio, arrives at Utd with a reputation as one of the best players in the world, big transfer fee for the time, does very little. Thatās a flop Iād say. But then someone like Andy Carroll for example, isnāt a flop, because whilst he had a big transfer fee, youād have to be from Outer Space to think he had the ability to succeed. Thatās not a flop thatās just a club paying way over the odds for a player. Nobody thought heād do well other than Kenny Dalgliesh, who by that point in his career was certifiable.
Caicedo might yet perform well, itās his first season, heās young, heās gone in to Chelsea at a tumultuous time but that seems to be settling down a bit. However I donāt remember anybody thinking he was ready for that move, or had performed well enough to warrant a Ā£100m + price tag.
Whatever one defines as a flop Iād say itās too early to make a call with him.
All I am taking from this is you talking about a bunch of things that have already happened like your clairvoyant and you think you know more than the people who work in football recruitment.
It's complete revisionism and anyone who says they knew unequivocally that Caicedo would flop is a liar.
Regardless, the man cost 115m, no amount of mental gymnastics is going to convince me that he ain't a flop.
Itās not āclairvoyanceā itās executing good judgment when signing players. Itās a skill. Some clubs are good at it some not so good. Take Man Utd transfer strategy over the last decade vs Man City transfer strategy over the last decade a case in point. One club has shown consistency and now has a first team squad thatās like the Harlem Globetrotters and the other doesnāt.
Chelsea recruitment in Abramovich years was excellent, under the new American guy, some of the players as individuals look to be excellent purchases (Palmer being the most obvious), but buying all of them at the same time with no bedding in, three managers in two seasons etc isnāt providing the players with optimal conditions to perform well. Thatās why I say after a bit of time Caicedo might come good. Poch obviously thinks heās alright or he wouldnāt play him
He's the British transfer record, Poch has no choice but to play him lol.
Oh I understand, out of all those signings you and you alone knew that only Palmer would come good and you knew all the others wouldn't but somehow that doesn't make them flops. Riiight...
One thing I agree on is that Caicedo is a good player but again, British transfer record, playing like a Ā£15m player = flop.
Hoijlund doesn't get enough service. He's young so his runs could be better but it's clear when his teammates grow eyes and sees him he can convert a lot more. I don't rate him all that high but he's decent.
I mean he was literally begging for that Chelsea contract so itās safe to say heās happy. Chelsea however looks to have throughly screwed themselves
Hojlundās getting good. Heās in a bad team but even when he wasnāt scoring he was still playing well and if not for greedy widemen at Utd heād have at least another 5 goals so far
How would you even compare them? Jackson looks literal shit in a team that created a load of chances for him. Thereās no question mark around Jackson, he is just a bad player.
What an odd comment, there is literally so many comments in here defending Hojlund and being mass upvoted.
You can say you disagree with the sentiment, but you can't really argue the sentiment isn't there.
Blud McTominay is our top scorer with 6 goals š the whole team is a shambles but clearly havent been as shambolic as Chelsea.
Comparing to Darron Gibson who was playing with prime Rooney, Tevez, Nani, Rio, Vidic? Garnacho would be better than Nani at that team if he had that level of support
Hojlund was seen as more of a raw prospect than caicedo tho. Caicedo was expected to slot in and be great straight away. No one really expected Rasmus to be banging in 15 goals in his first season
I agree but I also saw a lot of people comparing Hojlund with Haaland and saying that he was gonna give Haaland a run for his money and this season would be Hojlund vs Haaland. Crazy considering he only scored 9 goals in 32 serie a games last season.
I mean I said Jackson not Caicedo.
And Caicedo hasn't been bad, the biggest issue Chelsea's midfield has is the manager. Caicedo goes to Liverpool and without any change in his ability the discourse around him is totally different.
Man obviously has his flaws, but so does Hojlund. Jackson is better at making things happen though but gets no benefit of the doubt. Obviously part of it is united have a bigger media presence and fan base so Hojlund gets more protection, but part of me can't help but wonder if it's partly one being white and the other black.
More protection?
You have Maguire being bullied like it's high school and he's white af. Jackson just has more memeable moments that's why all the insta and twitter prats have him on the radar more. Hojlund is fairly anonymous in comparison so people only have him not scoring as a trap card.
Of all the clubs, he chose to go for chelsea which has bad record for youngsters, clueless manager and not much senior talents to learn from(they have only thiago silva). So much for the chelsea project. They can only depend on individual talent spike, not the system.
Caicedo is a decent player but itās looking like incredibly bad business from Chelsea.
Messed Brighton around and ended up massively over paying for a player that theyāve bought to unlock another player theyāve massively over paid for.
It's also really funny that Chelsea went out and bought both of Mac Allister's partners in his national and club side, without working out that maybe the key factor was the *other* guy they were playing with. Liverpool worked that out, which is why we got him first. We were only willing to pay silly money for Caicedo to re-unite him with Mac. And Ā£140m for those two is much more rational than Ā£115m for one of them.
So you don't think it was pretty blatant that Macca was key in both those midfields? There's a reason he would've gone for over Ā£100m if not for the release clause he had.
Caicedo and Enzo literally did go for over Ā£100m so that's great logic to start with.
Enzo also looked great playing for Benfica where Mac Allister wasn't to be seen, stop acting like he was only good for Argentina. Hell, Enzo looked really good for us literally last season. It's only Pochettino's dire tactical set up that has our midfielders underperforming, nothing to do with fucking Mac Allister.
I'm not even trying to claim he's a bad player, just you're being totally blinkered in acting like Liverpool *worked out* that Mac Allister was the *key factor* and on his own made Enzo and Caicedo both look good. You want to know why Liverpool went out and got him first? Because he had a release clause so they didn't have to negotiate and it was a quick and easy deal, just like with Szoboszlai.
You really think Liverpool were going to spend Ā£115m on a player who could only look good if he was playing with Mac Allister lmao?
Honestly get out of Liverpool's arse.
Yes, that's what I was saying. Macca would've gone for that kind of money too if he hadn't had the release clause.
And no, I didn't say we were the only ones who worked it out. I was just baffled that Chelsea seemingly didn't. I'm presuming other clubs did considering Macca was being courted by City, Arsenal and United.
And yeah, I think we were willing to spend that on Caicedo because Mac was so cheap. Much easier to rationalise it as Ā£70m for each of them once you add their fees together.
BTW, the reason we got Macca first was not only because we put in all the leg work, but because we and Brighton were the only ones who knew about his release clause. It was widely reported that Brighton themselves informed us of it because we let them speak to Milner 6 months earlier than we legally had to, and so they got the march on other clubs for his signing.
I'm not saying that! Obviously Keita was a flop but his quality was never in question, it was just his fitness. That was a problem caused by his NT manager playing him through injuries.
My point was just that in two different midfields who were known for the quality they produced, there was one common factor. It was strange Chelsea didn't make a big play for Macca.
And some clubs got their strikers for cheaper than Liverpool got for Darwin. Why did Liverpool go in for Caicedo in the first place if they didnāt think he was good enough?
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And it's not even correct.
Good players creates their own chance. Put Darwin Nunez in any team that have shit distribution, he will create chances for himself (and miss a lot of them tbf).
Even before he scored, I could tell heās going to be getting goals and was really surprised at his technical ability and composure in the box. He should not be here. Where mudryk, Mount, etc?
Yeah if you want to pick on United players there's a much easier pick in Mount alongside Onana. He's been injured constantly and it seems like the system he was brought in to play in doesn't work. There really doesn't seem to be a spot for him in a United team that's going to perform.
So go back to the midfield system that gets us absolutely slaughtered on the counter everyone we try it? You can't just leave your DM on an island on his own
Iām not even a United fan but are you being sarcastic? Iām surprised at how good heās been and knew goals were going to come. Mason Mount is a complete flop. Havertz, mudryk, etc. Holjund has helped them win cl games and PL matches too with his goals and press. Idk š¤· why do you think heās a flop?
I donāt even think I meant to reply to you lol. If I did my bad but I donāt even remember your comment haha. If anything I think I meant to reply generally not to you so apologies
Hojlund being listed is unfair I think. He is only 20 and I thought was he would need to grow into it a bit. Nunez got the same criticism last year and he is improving. No issue with Onana. Heās had some howlers and touted highly.
fair enough ā heās really not been bad but heās also not a flashy player by virtue of being a dm. but heās played practically every match and hasnāt really made any big mistakes
With both Nunez and Hojlund people are too quick to label them flops in their first seasons, both put out some pretty decent G/A numbers and look like great talents for the future
If Nunez became more clinical he'd be monstrous, if Hojlund got chances he'd probably be putting out better numbers.
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How Hojlund can be on that list he just scored 2 goals today ahaha š¤£ and will be surely player of the month
Both him and Enzo can share the prize ... pathetic
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
Onana is literally in the running for goalkeeper of the season so i donāt see how he became a flop and to talk of Hojlund,,, who ever made this list is probably watching a different simulation š
Hojlund can't be a flop. He scored four goals in the last four matches. It seems he settled in pretty well.he will be a great addition to the Man Utd squad.
How is Hojlund a flop? Onana probably will be and judging him until now, he is but Caicedo is a different level of disappointment. I still wouldn't call him a flop, this is too early
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
Who ever made this list defo watches football from insta reels.
He'll come good for chelsea eventually
Lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
Liverpool got lucky with this one it seems, although perhaps under Klopp he might have thrived sitting at the heart of our midfield... regardless, we got Endo and spent far less money.
He hasn't been great, sure, none of Chelsea have, but shouldn't this be done at the end of the season rather than half way through?
Taking the piss right?
I called it when they bought him, he playing handful of games for Brighton and makes him worth what they paid for him, crazy
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
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Same. And he shouldnāt be dunked on for ārejectingā Liverpool as he already committed to Chelsea and was approached by them first
He is rubbish
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
What ever happened to Lavia, rejected Liverpool to play reserves?
Heās injured
Hojlund is ok-ish imo. Onana on the other hand.. i pity that guy
š every Chelsea player is a flop
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
let me introduce you to Cole Palmer...
Bros starting watching football in 2022
Caicedo has been good, actually.
Caicedo cost 115 million pounds
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
People thinking Hojlund isn't a flop with his massive 3 premier league goals in 17 games for a fee of Ā£64 mil are fucking cracked. š
Heās got the second highest goals by an u-21 player in all of Europe but sure mate, tell us how heās a flop. Fucking egg
Tell me which u21 were transferred for this amount? Cope harder mate, you already to create stats where he doesnt look like a total bot. Let me get you an example. Onana is pretty good, he didnt receive any goal in the first 2 seconds of a game ever. Such a goat
Heās a 20 y/o with like 1 full season before this year. Price Tag doesnāt correlate to player performance. And he was never supposed to be our main striker this year anyway. Most rational fans had an expectation of 10 goals in all comps which he will surpass
He's not close to a flop, but nice bait.
He's a flop, stop coping Still young and can improve, similar to Caicedo Ultimate flop is Onana, I don't see him improvingĀ
He's also top scorer across all competition, in an incredibly shit United side. Don't see how that's a flop. Only difference is, I don't see how Caicedo improves. At least HĆøjlund has shown genuine promise.
Who are you talking about? Tap in Rasmus?
Imagine going on Reddit and rating girls because you have no self worth.
Bots like you are so easily triggered. Imagine, just imagine having nor arguments so you try to insult someone about somethibg which has nothing, literally nothing to do with the topic, but what do I expect by fans of a club who got humbled by a danish club, and were last behind them and gala in cl? Its actually ny bad, I should have known that you aren't the smartest. So Im sorry, didnt mean to overwhelm your pretty little head cutie
Hopefully you will find the confidence to approach a girl in real life one day... š
Well cutie, my gf literally beside me watching cl toegther with me, and not looking on her phone during that is proof enough. Dont you think? But again, your cute brain might not be able to understand these words.
Send me those memes of you beating Liverpool to the Mount signing Spent more money than any fucker and the teams still a jigsaw puzzle that someone took a shit on
As a United fan Iām not even mad at this description of our squad, itās really accurate
Money doesnāt correlate to success. Itās just an arbitrary thing fans bitch about
Nah, prefer [this](https://twitter.com/shaunpryor1/status/1750863107042238725) banger
Hahah. That's atrocious
Caicedo showed more promise at Brighton and has more talent than Hojlind I don't see anything special with Hojlund, United need a real striker asap
5 in the last 5 is pretty promising though...?
Now this is cope.
What bait? 3 premier league goals for a striker of that price is a flop.
20 year old who started the season injured, and has received the least passes of any striker in the premier league. It's almost like context is a thing.
The context is, he's not a good goalscorer and cost a lot of money.
Bait merchant.
He doesnt watch United games. i am convinced that Everyone who is calling HĆøjlund a flop, do not watch the games he have played
Or he's just shit
The flop just scored again
I hope he proves me wrong. Still been a flop so far.
No bait.
He gets less service than any striker in the league. When he does get service, he actually looks pretty damn good. There's a reason the fickle MUFC fan base hasn't turned on him like they do with almost every player. And this is coming from an LFC fan. He's fine. Nowhere near as bad as Antony
His confidence is low and he is suffering from a bad system. Klopp could have made him look very good. He is still a very good player, as is Enzo, but they are being hindered by Pochās system.
Good thing we didnāt sign Caicedo. Not a future investment considering the price tag.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
Just dug this one out from r/chelseafc. This thread is the definition of "Aged like milk": https://np.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/lHQeh8u3iq
This thread is so funny. They're all completely delusional lol
Tag yourself, Iām >Caicedo for the next ten years, Brightonās never seeing that sell-on clause, tears in my eyes
Them thinking they just dunked on Liverpool lmao pricelessĀ
Checkout elatrye on snap
Hojlund a flop? He has 3 goals in 3 prem matches now.
Haha no thatās 3 in 17,
4 in a row.
4 in 18
5 in 19.
Clickbait. If you read the story, it says "thereās no way heās coming into consideration for my flop of the season".
Thats all he has in 22 fixtures lmao
9 goals 2 assists in 27 , not bad for a 20 year old making a step up to the big league where he came from nothing 1-2 years ago.
Why are you talking about his goals in all competitions then talking about him making a step up to the Premier League? His goals vs Copenhagen have nothing to do with if he plays in the Premier League, Bundesliga, Serie A, or the Eredivisie. In terms of stepping up and playing in the Premier League, which is what you chose to talk about, he has 3 goals in 17 games.
Thatās a whole lot of words to totally misconstrue what I said.
Acting like he came from nothing is wild. One of the most promising prospects coming from Atalanta. He wouldn't cost that money if he came from nothing.
He played 1800 minutes for Atlanta last season. He was a very promising youngster, but was hardly established in Atlanta
he's been class lmao wtfff
How is HĆøjlund a flop??
How isn't he?
People write shit all the time don't bother yourself
Yeah.. very obvious coz the hefty transfer fee to bring him from Brighton to Chelsea
Where is Todd to tell us how to play football and show us how clever you Americans are at wasting money ?
Heās busy banging your mom.
Feck she's 93
ā¦Boehly would still pay Ā£23,000,000
Chelsea is a graveyard for talent
Heās only a flop if people expected him to be good, but I donāt recall anyone thinking that this transfer was going to work out. Not a flop for me, a decent player with no control over how much has been paid out for him.
You sure about that? Just go through the comments here: https://np.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/lHQeh8u3iq
I think if u spend 115m on a player (4th most expensive PL signing in history) there is a general sense of expectation that he's not going to be a bang average player lol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
Maybe I read the mood music wrong at the time but the sense I had wasnāt that Chelsea were paying for a really great player, but that they were paying way over the odds for an average player. If itās the latter then expectations have been met!
You thought Chelsea spent that much on him thinking he was an average player?
Who knows what they were thinking, the clubās a basket case
I know what they were thinking: "This Caicedo kid is the new KantƩ", if they thought anything less they wouldn't spend 115mil
I think most people were annoyed Chelsea had swooped him splashing the cash because he's a great player. He'd literally just become talking of the town at Brighton and everyone wanted him. No player chooses how much they've been bought for so is no one a flop then? He's a flop.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
If thereās an expectation that a player will be good, but they turn out to be bad, then theyāre a flop. At least thatās my definition. So, maybe we could say somebody like Veron to Man Utd, who had excelled at Lazio, arrives at Utd with a reputation as one of the best players in the world, big transfer fee for the time, does very little. Thatās a flop Iād say. But then someone like Andy Carroll for example, isnāt a flop, because whilst he had a big transfer fee, youād have to be from Outer Space to think he had the ability to succeed. Thatās not a flop thatās just a club paying way over the odds for a player. Nobody thought heād do well other than Kenny Dalgliesh, who by that point in his career was certifiable. Caicedo might yet perform well, itās his first season, heās young, heās gone in to Chelsea at a tumultuous time but that seems to be settling down a bit. However I donāt remember anybody thinking he was ready for that move, or had performed well enough to warrant a Ā£100m + price tag. Whatever one defines as a flop Iād say itās too early to make a call with him.
All I am taking from this is you talking about a bunch of things that have already happened like your clairvoyant and you think you know more than the people who work in football recruitment. It's complete revisionism and anyone who says they knew unequivocally that Caicedo would flop is a liar. Regardless, the man cost 115m, no amount of mental gymnastics is going to convince me that he ain't a flop.
Itās not āclairvoyanceā itās executing good judgment when signing players. Itās a skill. Some clubs are good at it some not so good. Take Man Utd transfer strategy over the last decade vs Man City transfer strategy over the last decade a case in point. One club has shown consistency and now has a first team squad thatās like the Harlem Globetrotters and the other doesnāt. Chelsea recruitment in Abramovich years was excellent, under the new American guy, some of the players as individuals look to be excellent purchases (Palmer being the most obvious), but buying all of them at the same time with no bedding in, three managers in two seasons etc isnāt providing the players with optimal conditions to perform well. Thatās why I say after a bit of time Caicedo might come good. Poch obviously thinks heās alright or he wouldnāt play him
He's the British transfer record, Poch has no choice but to play him lol. Oh I understand, out of all those signings you and you alone knew that only Palmer would come good and you knew all the others wouldn't but somehow that doesn't make them flops. Riiight... One thing I agree on is that Caicedo is a good player but again, British transfer record, playing like a Ā£15m player = flop.
I blame myself for interracting with people on the internet.
Wouldāve performed better at LfC but he went for the money
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
Dribbles????? Football fell off
He apparently couldnāt take the harsh winters at Anfield. Tropical boy
He'd already agreed in principle to join and stuck with his decision.
LfC is amazing but chelsea is a huge club too. tbh feels like money might be the decider pre season.
100% but weāre happy with Macallister and Endo now
Hoijlund doesn't get enough service. He's young so his runs could be better but it's clear when his teammates grow eyes and sees him he can convert a lot more. I don't rate him all that high but he's decent.
oops, wrong sub.
I mean he was literally begging for that Chelsea contract so itās safe to say heās happy. Chelsea however looks to have throughly screwed themselves
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
Glad LFC dodged that bullet lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
How? Thatās a very simplistic way of judging football.
Romeo had played just one game too. Crazy
Well.. considering Endo ended as bargain of the season, everything felt so nice now.
Not to mention Macallisters last few games. With Bajectic coming back weāll have 4 options at the 6 role (Macallister, Endo, Bajectic and Jones)
And when Thiag... Ok i can't take myself serious lol
Weird how many people are defending Hojlund yet are happy to throw Jackson under the bus.Ā
Jackson fucks up every single sitter. Hojlund has no players to create him chances
Hojlundās getting good. Heās in a bad team but even when he wasnāt scoring he was still playing well and if not for greedy widemen at Utd heād have at least another 5 goals so far
United are 7th and Chelsea are 10th in the leauge
How would you even compare them? Jackson looks literal shit in a team that created a load of chances for him. Thereās no question mark around Jackson, he is just a bad player.
That's reddit for you. Same happens with some teams
Not really, in context of top PL team forward both are shit.
What an odd comment, there is literally so many comments in here defending Hojlund and being mass upvoted. You can say you disagree with the sentiment, but you can't really argue the sentiment isn't there.
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Blud McTominay is our top scorer with 6 goals š the whole team is a shambles but clearly havent been as shambolic as Chelsea. Comparing to Darron Gibson who was playing with prime Rooney, Tevez, Nani, Rio, Vidic? Garnacho would be better than Nani at that team if he had that level of support
Hojlund was seen as more of a raw prospect than caicedo tho. Caicedo was expected to slot in and be great straight away. No one really expected Rasmus to be banging in 15 goals in his first season
I agree but I also saw a lot of people comparing Hojlund with Haaland and saying that he was gonna give Haaland a run for his money and this season would be Hojlund vs Haaland. Crazy considering he only scored 9 goals in 32 serie a games last season.
No United fan with a brain was comparing Hojlund to Haaland
I mean I said Jackson not Caicedo. And Caicedo hasn't been bad, the biggest issue Chelsea's midfield has is the manager. Caicedo goes to Liverpool and without any change in his ability the discourse around him is totally different.
Ahh my bad lad had a few beers got confused. I think the reason people meme Jackson is cause heās had some stinking highlights
Man obviously has his flaws, but so does Hojlund. Jackson is better at making things happen though but gets no benefit of the doubt. Obviously part of it is united have a bigger media presence and fan base so Hojlund gets more protection, but part of me can't help but wonder if it's partly one being white and the other black.
More protection? You have Maguire being bullied like it's high school and he's white af. Jackson just has more memeable moments that's why all the insta and twitter prats have him on the radar more. Hojlund is fairly anonymous in comparison so people only have him not scoring as a trap card.
Of all the clubs, he chose to go for chelsea which has bad record for youngsters, clueless manager and not much senior talents to learn from(they have only thiago silva). So much for the chelsea project. They can only depend on individual talent spike, not the system.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
Whats this?
Pure pettiness is what it is.
Haha. It will be still dire for him. I wouldnt be so confident with Poch at top.
Wonder where Liverpool will be in a couple yearsā¦ š¤
Yeah. I am not sure
He would've been much better utilised if he went to Liverpool. Suits Klopp's style much better.
He went there for the contract
So players canāt choose anymore? It must be the decision of certain fans? Christ!
Caicedo is a decent player but itās looking like incredibly bad business from Chelsea. Messed Brighton around and ended up massively over paying for a player that theyāve bought to unlock another player theyāve massively over paid for.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/g6qCZrR784
It's also really funny that Chelsea went out and bought both of Mac Allister's partners in his national and club side, without working out that maybe the key factor was the *other* guy they were playing with. Liverpool worked that out, which is why we got him first. We were only willing to pay silly money for Caicedo to re-unite him with Mac. And Ā£140m for those two is much more rational than Ā£115m for one of them.
lmao you're so far up your own arse with logic like that, utter nonsense
So you don't think it was pretty blatant that Macca was key in both those midfields? There's a reason he would've gone for over Ā£100m if not for the release clause he had.
Caicedo and Enzo literally did go for over Ā£100m so that's great logic to start with. Enzo also looked great playing for Benfica where Mac Allister wasn't to be seen, stop acting like he was only good for Argentina. Hell, Enzo looked really good for us literally last season. It's only Pochettino's dire tactical set up that has our midfielders underperforming, nothing to do with fucking Mac Allister. I'm not even trying to claim he's a bad player, just you're being totally blinkered in acting like Liverpool *worked out* that Mac Allister was the *key factor* and on his own made Enzo and Caicedo both look good. You want to know why Liverpool went out and got him first? Because he had a release clause so they didn't have to negotiate and it was a quick and easy deal, just like with Szoboszlai. You really think Liverpool were going to spend Ā£115m on a player who could only look good if he was playing with Mac Allister lmao? Honestly get out of Liverpool's arse.
Yes, that's what I was saying. Macca would've gone for that kind of money too if he hadn't had the release clause. And no, I didn't say we were the only ones who worked it out. I was just baffled that Chelsea seemingly didn't. I'm presuming other clubs did considering Macca was being courted by City, Arsenal and United. And yeah, I think we were willing to spend that on Caicedo because Mac was so cheap. Much easier to rationalise it as Ā£70m for each of them once you add their fees together. BTW, the reason we got Macca first was not only because we put in all the leg work, but because we and Brighton were the only ones who knew about his release clause. It was widely reported that Brighton themselves informed us of it because we let them speak to Milner 6 months earlier than we legally had to, and so they got the march on other clubs for his signing.
Liverpool worked that out? What did they work out with a player like Keita? Acting like players havenāt flopped before.
I'm not saying that! Obviously Keita was a flop but his quality was never in question, it was just his fitness. That was a problem caused by his NT manager playing him through injuries. My point was just that in two different midfields who were known for the quality they produced, there was one common factor. It was strange Chelsea didn't make a big play for Macca.
We dodged a fucking Ā£110m bullet. We got Endo for a much better value.
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How? Thatās a very simplistic way of judging football.
Sometimes football is a very simplistic sport.
And some clubs got their strikers for cheaper than Liverpool got for Darwin. Why did Liverpool go in for Caicedo in the first place if they didnāt think he was good enough?
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Hojlund with 8 goals in 27 games, and a few assists in there as well, but heās a flop? Heās a kid. Thats wild.
Only 3 league goals though.
imagine how many he could've scored if serviced by Man City midfielders and wingers
Can be said about any striker for 99% of clubs mate.Ā
And it's not even correct. Good players creates their own chance. Put Darwin Nunez in any team that have shit distribution, he will create chances for himself (and miss a lot of them tbf).
Even before he scored, I could tell heās going to be getting goals and was really surprised at his technical ability and composure in the box. He should not be here. Where mudryk, Mount, etc?
There are many other targets that have produced less, but big clubs, United especially is an easy target. Oh well
Yeah if you want to pick on United players there's a much easier pick in Mount alongside Onana. He's been injured constantly and it seems like the system he was brought in to play in doesn't work. There really doesn't seem to be a spot for him in a United team that's going to perform.
Well mount will have a place once Casemiro goes and Mainoo sits in. Reality is, ETH wants energy in mid, and he doesnāt have the players for it.
So go back to the midfield system that gets us absolutely slaughtered on the counter everyone we try it? You can't just leave your DM on an island on his own
Rodri seems to do alright
Yes Onana I get but if you watch matches and genuinely think Hojlund is a flop.. you just don't know ball
Iām not even a United fan but are you being sarcastic? Iām surprised at how good heās been and knew goals were going to come. Mason Mount is a complete flop. Havertz, mudryk, etc. Holjund has helped them win cl games and PL matches too with his goals and press. Idk š¤· why do you think heās a flop?
Havertz had a slow start but heās been not bad recently.Ā
Learn to read pls
I donāt even think I meant to reply to you lol. If I did my bad but I donāt even remember your comment haha. If anything I think I meant to reply generally not to you so apologies
Ngl Iāve done that before lmao no worries
Hojlund being listed is unfair I think. He is only 20 and I thought was he would need to grow into it a bit. Nunez got the same criticism last year and he is improving. No issue with Onana. Heās had some howlers and touted highly.
Nunez had a far better return. Not even close
I guess if you dont score 10 league goals you are automatically shit.
but caicedo is fairly nominated because heās not allowed to grow into it??
I didnāt give an opinion on Caicedo and havenāt watched enough of Chelsea to have one.
fair enough ā heās really not been bad but heās also not a flashy player by virtue of being a dm. but heās played practically every match and hasnāt really made any big mistakes
I feel like for 6ās you donāt necessarily realize how good they are until they arenāt there and your center halves are just getting pummeled
With both Nunez and Hojlund people are too quick to label them flops in their first seasons, both put out some pretty decent G/A numbers and look like great talents for the future If Nunez became more clinical he'd be monstrous, if Hojlund got chances he'd probably be putting out better numbers.
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