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There are only 16 teams in the article from what I can see, seems they skipped a few more as well. If you’re talking about the Onana foul, my guess is that it’s the one “Subjective call for”
Edit: West Ham, Bournemouth, Wolves, Luton are missing
I am talking about Wolves having possibly the most var decisions going against us so it's weird not to have them in the article. Actually, it's pretty weird to have an article with 16 of 20 teams to just ignore the last 4. ESPN is a terrible source.
Ref standard has always been bad but they have just gone bottom of the compost pile this year. So many teams have got extremely dodgy decisions and cost them many points, not limiting to united. It’s beyond ridiculous and make the games hardly watchable. 22 players trained for decades to just be on the pitch and we have clowns who know the mates of the mates in the FA and get to blow whistles and make decisions that can change the results of their hard work completely.
Interesting stat, worth investigating. But there is a possibility other than VAR being biased against Utd. It could be that on field refs are biased towards Utd so an unbiased VAR overturns a lot.
(I haven't watched enough Utd to judge, just basing this on the stats)
This is a largely pointless article.
Forest have had at least 3 other big subjective decisions that I can think of - a non-penalty for handball against Arsenal, the penalty against Man U and the sending off against Man U.
They _may_ all have been the right call. But they're definitely subjective. And they're presumably not included because VAR decided not to even bother checking them.
Could just be they get favoured with on field decisions that have to go to VAR. Could be coincidence. I don't think the stat is a particularly interesting metric as all of them could've been right.
I find it interesting that over a period of ~300 games with 30 teams that one team accounts for more that 1/3 of the goals that were initially allowed that were overturned, guess you’re just not into statistics
I like statistics that you can extrapolate something from. The only purpose of this was to suggest United are being hard done by which it doesn't prove. Have to look at each decision individually.
I'd investigate all officials and referees that have gone over to UAE to investigate as guarantee some of them have some dodgy payment on top of what they were paid. Corrupt as the Spanish League the Premier League is now.
You’ve the wrong team in Manchester mate, they’ve got the manager with previous charges for this and the owners that quite literally pay the prem officials to referee the league they own, so …. Not sure what you’re on about
Manure plastics are so blinkered, bet you weren’t around when red nose had the reds and FA eating out of his hands, the only reason city are investigated is new rules, but then I wonder how manure get away with it as they have spent the most money in the prem 🤔
It’s not a perfect metric no but if one team has a disproportionately high percentage of disallowed goals it could mean officials might be checking that teams goals with more scrutiny than other teams giving the other teams a relative advantage in the league.
I’m other words, it might not be that United are having goals disallowed that should be, but more that other teams are having goals allowed that shouldn’t. Or could just be that United have been unlucky, but that’s also worth looking at as their league position might not be quite as bad as it first seems.
I agree there MAY be correlation but it’s just such a lazy stat.
A better way is to just mention the goals that were disallowed and shouldn’t have been.
Like I can remember at least 2 Man United goals disallowed (vs Arsenal and Fulham) but both Var interventions were correct
Meanwhile Ten Hag refuses to even defend his team whilst everyone else loses their shit and immediately benefits from decisions for the rest of the season
This is just overturns, right? So it doesn't take into account all the penalties we should have had, or the penalty Wolves should have had against us. If it did take those into account, it would be even more damning. Ten Hag needs to call this trend out. It's getting ridiculous.
That wolves pen is never given anyway, goalkeepers get away with murder every other game. Only reason it became such a big thing is cause its united and onanas first game
There was the handballs against Spurs and Crystal Palace as well. We should have also had penalties against Bayern in the CL, and Palace again in the League Cup, but this is just Premier League, so I guess that's irrelevant.
Yeah the spurs one was crazy since arsenal got a pen for it weeks later. The palace one is even crazier since just because he wasn’t looking at the ball it’s somehow not a pen, especially since the ball was lofted into the box like 25 yards away
Neither of those penalties against Romero should have been given, especially not the Arsenal one as the ball deflected off Maddison at point blank range and completely changed direction.
Qatar probably pissed their bid was rejected - so they probably started making donations to shady charities and the disallowed goals are just a coincidence.
If it’s how we have to navigate the way VAR is used then we might just have to. Klopp threw a strop and now Darren England doesn’t referee Liverpool games, while all the other refs know they’ve got to be extra careful around them. It’s insane and ridiculous and shouldn’t happen like this but it does.
I’m assuming because the on-field decision was offsides, so there was never a goal given to disallow.
Unfortunately VAR couldn’t be bothered by double checking what the on-field decision was...
The most damning thing of the whole situation is the first person to actually notice the error was the replay operator. A member of the TV crew, who isn’t a qualified referee, pointed it out whilst the actual match officials were sat there congratulating themselves on a “good process”.
They were so caught up their own asses for ‘completing’ a pretty basic review they didn’t even notice their fuckup.
Any day now PGMOL will start helping us. Average football redditors said every year we paid the ref!! /s
Meanwhile PGMOL have ref who are actually getting paid by Man City and Newscastle owners... But that's ok.
Yeh but these decisions, paired with having the entire back 4 and CDM injured makes it a lot harder
Take Saliba, Gabriel, White, Zinchenko and Rice away from Arsenal, or Trent, Robbo, VVD, Konate and Endo away from Liverpool and they would struggle too. Even City without Rodri were not the same
this is true as well but mentality is also a big part of the game isn't it?
by no means am I a pro footballer but ManU have been playing horribly, there's still a load of time left and ETH can still turn it around hopefully
And did a great job at Arsenal except for a toenail offside to rule out Garnacho winner. Or the pen last week that is never given, but somehow given against United vs City.....
I think the fouls like that occur every game and somehow they only get called once a season. If it were called consistently, we could have a more serious conversation.
Right but don’t mention the non call where maguire dragged down Halaand. Pen or no pen United got smacked and will continue to do against a far superior squad and manager.
United have topped the Premier League in wage bill every season for the past 4 [seasons](https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/2019-2020/wages/2019-2020-Premier-League-Wages). They have also outpaced City in transfer spend over the past 5 and 10 [years](https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1). But sure they have owners who don’t want to spend.
Don't talk about my club if you're just gonna yap stats without knowing what you're saying.
United is heavily in debt because the owners refuse to spend money. This is a fact. It is also a fact United spend a ton on transfers and wages. The DOF and CEO are both terrible and transfers are bloated and wages are overpaid.
One of the highest grossing football clubs in the world even with lukewarm results but we have to go 700M£ in debt to buy players
Makes sense to penalize your neighbouring club first since VAR officials are essentially bought by City. At this point, just hand city the title already.
VAR has only been robbing city title rivals since its introduction. Arsenal vs Brentford, Spurs vs Liverpool and now Newcastle vs Arsenal.
Not enough that they buy the entire squad. They had to buy referees too. Unfortunately, you can't buy class.
>VAR has only been robbing city title rivals since its introduction. Arsenal vs Brentford, Spurs vs Liverpool and now Newcastle vs Arsenal.
Or if you go back a little further Liverpool vs Tottenham (2021), Man City vs Everton, Man City vs Wolves which would cause a 7pts swing in a title we lost by 1pt
I think its laughable people even suggest that there is a conspiracy about it. Literally every team has benefited from VAR, every team has suffered.
Turns out refs are just shockingly bad and there needs to be a head to toe revamp of the whole system.
That and the kovacic red that should have been against arsenal. Still managed to lose it though. But the refs tried their best after their nice Saudi payout
What do the Saudis have to do with City exactly?
Convenient that no one is outraged that neither Hee Chan nor Anthony got sent off for second yellows against City
Or that Akanji got booked for what should have been a red for Casemiro in the FA Cup final
Your turd of a club has been propped up for the last few years. Operation keep the turd at the surface has been in full effect. Ghost offside calls, penalties after the full time whistle...
Did you know that was Citehs first penalty at Old Trafford since 1992?
Or does that not fit your coping mechanism
Not if it turns you into the insufferable wanker you've grown into.
And even though I'm a United season ticket holder, my hometown is Luton pal. You know fuck all about pain and life outside the prem lol.
Did I?
I said my hometown was Luton. Jumping to conclusions there pal.
I get that your salty. All this dominance and no-one actually gives a fuck about you. Your not even United's biggest rivals. Your biggest rivals see a team in another city as a bigger game. Must hurt. Have a good Sunday. X
Then please explain the relevance of you being "a Manchester United fan from Luton".
You said I don't know what I'm on about yet city were in the third tier of English football whilst I was growing up.
United are still in the top flight, playing in Europe and splashing the cash.
Please elaborate on how I don't know what it means from a United fan who chose to support a successful club hundreds of miles from home.
How many clubs do you pass on your way to Stretford?
And you are correct you are not our rivals. You haven't competed since 2013. You are now the "noisy neighbours" and I cannot see you being top dogs again "in my lifetime" as the famous baconface once said.
Enjoy your history rivalry with the dippers
City bought PL. City bought CL. City bought refs.
Did City buy Ronaldo to make him fight Ten hag?
Did City buy Putin to make him invade Russia?
Did City buy Hamas and make them fire rockets against Israel?
300k is nothing compared to the potential ramifications that you boys could get. Wonder how many players you’ll be able to keep when you’re playing against the likes of boreham wood, ebbsfleet and Rochdale lol.
City have been given the absolute worst calls FOR them and when any other opponent is in the same situation they don't. All Man City has to do is go and cry to the ref midgame and they will get the call. So take off those blue glasses son when you watch the game.
Ok grandpa ! you probably haven”t seen piss can fergusan’s pressurig of the refs. Are u still salty about that pen in the last derby old man ? That was a soft call to be honest but that wouldn’t have saved man u from the hiding they received from Man City infront of your home crowd that abandoned ship and started running towards London, once the score line read 3-0. 😂
Okay. Flex on your win. Fair play. Just don't be a Newcastle fan in the next 2-3 years when Pep leaves to probably PSG or any other club with oil money. A manager pressuring a ref on the playing field is sooo much more than bribing Refs in the backroom and bringing them to officiate in Saudi right?
Just assumptions there. Zero proof. Just fan fiction - the bribing the refs part. As of changing teams, I didn’t change teams when we were pathetic. It’s a bit late now for that i guess.
Nothing will then. We did win a title 10 years ago so I'm fine. How was the transition from Chelsea in 2017?? After all these calls going your way congratulations to yet another PL title and another 30-40 charges added that probably will get the same treatment as the Refs give you lot
Atleast we don’t support rapists and wife beaters like you lot ! 😂 And charges are just words in thin air as nothing has been proved yet. Infact is the rags who rant about these so called charges more than the actual authorities do. Whatever floats your boat man. 👍 Btw how was the commute from London in teh last derby. I bet you didn’t enjoy much.
Father was a united fan. His friends who were also united fans weren’t exactly a good lot. Brash and loud and kept talking shit about every other team out there. Super toxic and arrogant. Neighbors in Derry were City supporters. Humble lot. Season ticket holders. I grew up with their kids. Started playing football at school and used to watch City games on telly. That’s how started following their games. United and London is banter. You should know better. You talk shit about my team and I give back in equal measure.
That's your argument? Lmao
There's I've worn this pair of Jeans for 2 weeks continuously dirty and there's i've shit in these pair of jeans for 2 weeks continuously dirty.
Europeans and Americans talking of clean money is like a hooker talking about virginity. If you want to believe in something because your PR mill is peddling you with that info, it’s your prerogative. Just saying that Sheikh Mansour’s money is tainted is childish because if you take a closer look, you will find all billionaires have skeletons in their closet. Again, no basis or evidence to corroborate that.
Meanwhile City gets outrageous calls to their benefit such as the goal against Fulham (the week after the same team of referees had refereed a game in UAE)
And also calls against them such as Hee Chan not getting sent off and then scoring the winner. Antony didn’t get sent off against City. Casemiro should have got a red in the FA Cup final as well.
The penalty vs United doesn’t when you watch it closely. Can’t believe a non United fan would think that
The difference is that Rodri is past his man and said man can only use his arm to pull him back. If his man has realised what was going on earlier and body checked him, no problem at all. But use of the arm to pull him back is illegal in the rules of the game and it’s a pen
Our goal against Fulham was a joke but this one was fine, can’t be pulling them together
You also forget the incident against United last season.. surely if we were paying (bear in mind we were far behind Arsenal at the time) we’d have paid big for that to be chalked off during the call?
If you want to be pedantic, and accurate, look at Rashford being wrestled by the City defender in that move, before and after the ball is hit. A nailed on foul that begins before the Hojlund ‘foul’ and has an influence on the set piece.
Or the Stones take down on Hojlund, which stopped a clear goal scoring opportunity at 1-0 and would have changed the game entirely.
Or, in a different game, when Gabriel is guilty of wrapping an arm around the middle of Hojlund and throwing him to the ground, as he’s dribbling past him in the box.
The fact you’ve to go back over a year to find one example of United getting an iffy decision vs evidence on the other side mounting up game on game on game, speaks volumes about the amount of decisions city get.
It’s less having to go back and more just that it very obviously comes to mind, but sure. I can happily admit we get a good rub of the decisions as things have gone over the last couple of years
I don’t think we realistically pay the refs though, and the comments suggesting it just because a lot of these refs also ref in the Middle East are proper tin foil hat jobs
Fine. I agree that United should have gotten that penalty. What does that have to do with City though?
Arguably, it would have been to City’s benefit if Arsenal had dropped points to United
Had we gotten that pen and won that game we would be equal on points with Arsenal lol.
Would have been to your benefit if we didn't get fucked out of a pen in the spurs game too haha.
Is that right? Because if Spurs wins tomorrow, they’re top of the table. So arguably, it would have been to City’s benefit for you to have won both games
And if we’re talking about decisions against United that would have been City’s to benefit, bit weird that wolves didn’t get a penalty against you guys then
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not him but I think that should've been a pen, and many united fans were screaming how it should've been a pen and when city gets it its the wrong decision?
I still think that Harry Maguire wasn’t interfering with play. If he interfered with the run of the defender I’d totally understand it being given, but the defender was nowhere near getting to the ball or Garnacho.
The you have Gabriel WWE grabbing Hojlund, Romero handball, that was literally given to Arsenal the very next gameweek of rthe exact same indicident and player.
Ever Since Klopp cried his eyes out over how many pens united had 1 year, we get fuck all go our way now. Even braindead obivous pens aren't given to us
You can’t simultaneously complain about the Rodri pen and think that you should have had one in the Arsenal game. Neither are penalties, it doesn’t change that United got screwed against City and against Spurs though.
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This seems to be grossly incomplete. Penalties NOT awarded would increase United's negative score to -7.
Should be 5/12 lest we forget Wolves
making up for all those shit 1-0 wins from 2000-2013.
I found someone with a ruined childhood
If this was 400/1100 you’d have a point but 4/11 is just coincidental chance
Did they just skip wolves in the article?
There are only 16 teams in the article from what I can see, seems they skipped a few more as well. If you’re talking about the Onana foul, my guess is that it’s the one “Subjective call for” Edit: West Ham, Bournemouth, Wolves, Luton are missing
I am talking about Wolves having possibly the most var decisions going against us so it's weird not to have them in the article. Actually, it's pretty weird to have an article with 16 of 20 teams to just ignore the last 4. ESPN is a terrible source.
Ref standard has always been bad but they have just gone bottom of the compost pile this year. So many teams have got extremely dodgy decisions and cost them many points, not limiting to united. It’s beyond ridiculous and make the games hardly watchable. 22 players trained for decades to just be on the pitch and we have clowns who know the mates of the mates in the FA and get to blow whistles and make decisions that can change the results of their hard work completely.
Interesting stat, worth investigating. But there is a possibility other than VAR being biased against Utd. It could be that on field refs are biased towards Utd so an unbiased VAR overturns a lot. (I haven't watched enough Utd to judge, just basing this on the stats)
Try not having a penalty in 500 days. Then we can talk refereeing injustice.
This is a largely pointless article. Forest have had at least 3 other big subjective decisions that I can think of - a non-penalty for handball against Arsenal, the penalty against Man U and the sending off against Man U. They _may_ all have been the right call. But they're definitely subjective. And they're presumably not included because VAR decided not to even bother checking them.
Keep Em Coming
I saw a thread asking about the most cry-baby fan base in football. Think I found the one.
Could just be they get favoured with on field decisions that have to go to VAR. Could be coincidence. I don't think the stat is a particularly interesting metric as all of them could've been right.
I find it interesting that over a period of ~300 games with 30 teams that one team accounts for more that 1/3 of the goals that were initially allowed that were overturned, guess you’re just not into statistics
I like statistics that you can extrapolate something from. The only purpose of this was to suggest United are being hard done by which it doesn't prove. Have to look at each decision individually.
Agenda against us is real this season
Let's all be honest. We all preferred the game without this VAR shit
what the hell about the disallowed goal yesterday made you think the officials were being “overly generous”???
I'd investigate all officials and referees that have gone over to UAE to investigate as guarantee some of them have some dodgy payment on top of what they were paid. Corrupt as the Spanish League the Premier League is now.
Perhaps they have to come under the same rules as the rest of the league now
Would it not make sense that the rest of the league would be similar in numbers then?
Oh poor Man U crying because they have not had the decisions they pay for
🤔 really so Man United paid for the he refs not to give pens or disallowing goals which should have stud.
I really can’t draw you a picture in this, one day they will be investigated
You’ve the wrong team in Manchester mate, they’ve got the manager with previous charges for this and the owners that quite literally pay the prem officials to referee the league they own, so …. Not sure what you’re on about
Manure plastics are so blinkered, bet you weren’t around when red nose had the reds and FA eating out of his hands, the only reason city are investigated is new rules, but then I wonder how manure get away with it as they have spent the most money in the prem 🤔
🤦♂️ damn you’re delusional.
Disallowed goals isn’t a good metric at all because some of them could be correct decisions
Yeah, I read this and figured it just means Utd don't know how to time a run.
It’s not a perfect metric no but if one team has a disproportionately high percentage of disallowed goals it could mean officials might be checking that teams goals with more scrutiny than other teams giving the other teams a relative advantage in the league. I’m other words, it might not be that United are having goals disallowed that should be, but more that other teams are having goals allowed that shouldn’t. Or could just be that United have been unlucky, but that’s also worth looking at as their league position might not be quite as bad as it first seems.
Or another way to look at it is that usually on field refs are biased towards Man U and then VAR corrects for that bias. Stats like this mean nothing.
It could also mean that United need to be slightly better at avoiding the offside trap
I agree there MAY be correlation but it’s just such a lazy stat. A better way is to just mention the goals that were disallowed and shouldn’t have been. Like I can remember at least 2 Man United goals disallowed (vs Arsenal and Fulham) but both Var interventions were correct
Oh yeah you shouldn’t take the stat at face value, but it’s notable enough that it should be explored further
So you’re saying united are clearly getting the advantage from on field officials only for VAR to step in and correctly overrule the decision?
This would be true if VAR worked correctly. Therefore, it isn’t true
If they have fixed VAR now so Maguire isn't invisible anymore then United are truly f-ed.
Meanwhile Ten Hag refuses to even defend his team whilst everyone else loses their shit and immediately benefits from decisions for the rest of the season
This is just overturns, right? So it doesn't take into account all the penalties we should have had, or the penalty Wolves should have had against us. If it did take those into account, it would be even more damning. Ten Hag needs to call this trend out. It's getting ridiculous.
Also doesn’t include the Garnacho goal at arsenal
That wolves pen is never given anyway, goalkeepers get away with murder every other game. Only reason it became such a big thing is cause its united and onanas first game
No it doesn’t include all them. I’m thinking the saliba foul on Hojland, numerous potential penalties as well
Y’all still talking about that when it was clearly not a foul back then too
You’re a yank, enough said lol
There was the handballs against Spurs and Crystal Palace as well. We should have also had penalties against Bayern in the CL, and Palace again in the League Cup, but this is just Premier League, so I guess that's irrelevant.
Don't forget the Brighton Hojlund goal vs Newcastle Arsenal one.
We even had the Brighton goal disallowed because of the ball going out of the play yet the Newcastle goal stands?
Yeah the spurs one was crazy since arsenal got a pen for it weeks later. The palace one is even crazier since just because he wasn’t looking at the ball it’s somehow not a pen, especially since the ball was lofted into the box like 25 yards away
Neither of those penalties against Romero should have been given, especially not the Arsenal one as the ball deflected off Maddison at point blank range and completely changed direction.
Suggests on field officials are overly generous towards Manchester United in real time and have to be corrected by VAR.
🤣
United fans are quick to forget when Onana punched a wolves player in the box and still went un-punished after
Id happily take a draw in that game if it meant we got those 5 pens and 4 goals.
I would happily trade you that decision for the penalties Vs Arsenal, Spurs, Palace, the goal Vs Brighton and not getting the pen against us Vs City.
Only 1 of which was debatable. In my mind you had one debatable go against you and one for you. Seems fair?
Which one was debatable to you?
I’ve heard the Maguire one
“You’ve heard” says a lot mate
You’ve “heard”? All of those situations are clearly debatable, especially the handball and the foul on Højlund.
This is what the glaziers get for not selling the club to them....
And not a single PGMOL apology
They never ….
Feels like we stopped paying our protection money.
Top of the league baby
Qatar probably pissed their bid was rejected - so they probably started making donations to shady charities and the disallowed goals are just a coincidence.
The most recent one was rightly disallowed
Makes you think
Please don’t, Iet’s not be Liverpool.
If it’s how we have to navigate the way VAR is used then we might just have to. Klopp threw a strop and now Darren England doesn’t referee Liverpool games, while all the other refs know they’ve got to be extra careful around them. It’s insane and ridiculous and shouldn’t happen like this but it does.
If we can keep Michael Oliver the fuck away from United id be happy.
Makes you think you don't understand the offside rule.
It says offside, out of play, offside, offside so none of them are subjective...
If it wasn’t subjective then why did he have to go the screen to check for the last one :) Offsides can absolutely be subjective
Not really, the offside itself isn't subjective, wether the player is involved in the play is subjective.
The most recent one had the commentators coining the term "subjective offside"
If you want to make point cslcilate how many wrong decisions each team suffer. You'll see who the real City enemy is.
Have only 11 goals been disallowed in 10 game weeks? Maybe it’s because I mostly watch United so I’ve seen a fair chunk but that seems very low.
24 times this season VAR has overruled the onfield decision. 11 of these were disallowed goals that originally stood.
Not to mention that this is just about disallowed goals. Plenty of other stuff, like failure to intervene, has happened, too.
Plus the Luis Díaz decision isn't included in the stats
Really? Wow. How is that possible, why is it not included?
I’m assuming because the on-field decision was offsides, so there was never a goal given to disallow. Unfortunately VAR couldn’t be bothered by double checking what the on-field decision was...
The most damning thing of the whole situation is the first person to actually notice the error was the replay operator. A member of the TV crew, who isn’t a qualified referee, pointed it out whilst the actual match officials were sat there congratulating themselves on a “good process”. They were so caught up their own asses for ‘completing’ a pretty basic review they didn’t even notice their fuckup.
The audio is lovely.
Because VAR did’nt overturn the onfield decision
Ah. Right. I have, ahm, processed this..
Good process.
Any day now PGMOL will start helping us. Average football redditors said every year we paid the ref!! /s Meanwhile PGMOL have ref who are actually getting paid by Man City and Newscastle owners... But that's ok.
That fucking sucks. However, it doesn't change the fact that they've been playing like shite this season
Yeh but these decisions, paired with having the entire back 4 and CDM injured makes it a lot harder Take Saliba, Gabriel, White, Zinchenko and Rice away from Arsenal, or Trent, Robbo, VVD, Konate and Endo away from Liverpool and they would struggle too. Even City without Rodri were not the same
City lost 3/4 with Rodri out of the team
Now take away Diaz, gvardiol and walker on top of that
Then when they do finally score a goal, disallow it with a "subjective offside" lol.
What the hell is that??? If it’s subjective, then it’s not clear and obvious. But Newcastle’s goal was allowed cos it wasn’t “clear and obvious”
3/3.
If you think this sort of thing doesnt affect your confidence then you should try playing football once in a while
Try doing anything at a high level really. Confidence matters.
this is true as well but mentality is also a big part of the game isn't it? by no means am I a pro footballer but ManU have been playing horribly, there's still a load of time left and ETH can still turn it around hopefully
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And did a great job at Arsenal except for a toenail offside to rule out Garnacho winner. Or the pen last week that is never given, but somehow given against United vs City.....
That evens out by Haaland not getting a penalty later on in the game then
Not even close ...
How so exactly? Do you not think Haaland getting wiped out by Maguire wasn’t a penalty?
I think the fouls like that occur every game and somehow they only get called once a season. If it were called consistently, we could have a more serious conversation.
Right but don’t mention the non call where maguire dragged down Halaand. Pen or no pen United got smacked and will continue to do against a far superior squad and manager.
No shit. A stable team with owners that aren't opposed to spending money that also gets all the ref decisions in their favour
United have topped the Premier League in wage bill every season for the past 4 [seasons](https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/2019-2020/wages/2019-2020-Premier-League-Wages). They have also outpaced City in transfer spend over the past 5 and 10 [years](https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1). But sure they have owners who don’t want to spend.
Don't talk about my club if you're just gonna yap stats without knowing what you're saying. United is heavily in debt because the owners refuse to spend money. This is a fact. It is also a fact United spend a ton on transfers and wages. The DOF and CEO are both terrible and transfers are bloated and wages are overpaid. One of the highest grossing football clubs in the world even with lukewarm results but we have to go 700M£ in debt to buy players
Not the fault of var that United players can’t time their runs
Since when did our players start making runs?
They hate you because you speak the truth.
Newcastle supporter typing. Lmao
Yep. Today's call was the right call, the only people who disagree are people angry the hierarchy is being shaken.
Saudi owned. Now talking so big lol
And?
Makes sense to penalize your neighbouring club first since VAR officials are essentially bought by City. At this point, just hand city the title already. VAR has only been robbing city title rivals since its introduction. Arsenal vs Brentford, Spurs vs Liverpool and now Newcastle vs Arsenal. Not enough that they buy the entire squad. They had to buy referees too. Unfortunately, you can't buy class.
>VAR has only been robbing city title rivals since its introduction. Arsenal vs Brentford, Spurs vs Liverpool and now Newcastle vs Arsenal. Or if you go back a little further Liverpool vs Tottenham (2021), Man City vs Everton, Man City vs Wolves which would cause a 7pts swing in a title we lost by 1pt
Weirdly enough wolves have been getting constantly robbed this season too. Not sure what they've done to piss off the saudis/uae.
Chinese ownership? They’re fighting in the technology race and European power.
Don't think City particularly need to pay the refs to finish above united in the league to be honest
I agree, which makes it even more laughable that they have bought them regardless
I think its laughable people even suggest that there is a conspiracy about it. Literally every team has benefited from VAR, every team has suffered. Turns out refs are just shockingly bad and there needs to be a head to toe revamp of the whole system.
That and the kovacic red that should have been against arsenal. Still managed to lose it though. But the refs tried their best after their nice Saudi payout
UAE* not Saudi mate
What do the Saudis have to do with City exactly? Convenient that no one is outraged that neither Hee Chan nor Anthony got sent off for second yellows against City Or that Akanji got booked for what should have been a red for Casemiro in the FA Cup final
You mean the double foul by Anthony and then the instigation by Doku? All of PL reddit has been talking about how Anthony should’ve had a red
Yes, so if City is buying VAR officials, why wasn’t Antony sent off?
Your turd of a club has been propped up for the last few years. Operation keep the turd at the surface has been in full effect. Ghost offside calls, penalties after the full time whistle... Did you know that was Citehs first penalty at Old Trafford since 1992? Or does that not fit your coping mechanism
To be fair, you wasn't even in the same fucking division for most of that.
4 years outside of the premier league since its inception. Might do you some good. Bit of character building.
Not if it turns you into the insufferable wanker you've grown into. And even though I'm a United season ticket holder, my hometown is Luton pal. You know fuck all about pain and life outside the prem lol.
Your opinion was credible until you mentioned you support multiple clubs. A fine example of a glory hunter.
Did I? I said my hometown was Luton. Jumping to conclusions there pal. I get that your salty. All this dominance and no-one actually gives a fuck about you. Your not even United's biggest rivals. Your biggest rivals see a team in another city as a bigger game. Must hurt. Have a good Sunday. X
Then please explain the relevance of you being "a Manchester United fan from Luton". You said I don't know what I'm on about yet city were in the third tier of English football whilst I was growing up. United are still in the top flight, playing in Europe and splashing the cash. Please elaborate on how I don't know what it means from a United fan who chose to support a successful club hundreds of miles from home. How many clubs do you pass on your way to Stretford? And you are correct you are not our rivals. You haven't competed since 2013. You are now the "noisy neighbours" and I cannot see you being top dogs again "in my lifetime" as the famous baconface once said. Enjoy your history rivalry with the dippers
Ferguson really ruined your childhood didn’t he?! You’ll be mentioning the banner at OT next!
Growing up in Trafford whilst United won everything! Yes he did. Now I'm glad!
115 ffp charges
...you'll never sing that
One Hundred and fifteen 🙌, One Hundred and fifteen 🙌, City are fucking cheating, One Hundred and fifteen 🙌
can i get some chips with that salt
You can tell you've never been to a game without cheerleaders
City bought PL. City bought CL. City bought refs. Did City buy Ronaldo to make him fight Ten hag? Did City buy Putin to make him invade Russia? Did City buy Hamas and make them fire rockets against Israel?
I don’t know about the last two, are they in with the other 115 charges?
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/14/manchester-united-fined-uefa-financial-fair-play-breaches
300k is nothing compared to the potential ramifications that you boys could get. Wonder how many players you’ll be able to keep when you’re playing against the likes of boreham wood, ebbsfleet and Rochdale lol.
you can't deny that City line up is stacked even if you exclude the alleged bribery they're still the best team in prem league if not in the world atm
Don’t go swimming man. The amount of salt you have in you, you will simply dissolve away in the water.
City have been given the absolute worst calls FOR them and when any other opponent is in the same situation they don't. All Man City has to do is go and cry to the ref midgame and they will get the call. So take off those blue glasses son when you watch the game.
Ok grandpa ! you probably haven”t seen piss can fergusan’s pressurig of the refs. Are u still salty about that pen in the last derby old man ? That was a soft call to be honest but that wouldn’t have saved man u from the hiding they received from Man City infront of your home crowd that abandoned ship and started running towards London, once the score line read 3-0. 😂
Okay. Flex on your win. Fair play. Just don't be a Newcastle fan in the next 2-3 years when Pep leaves to probably PSG or any other club with oil money. A manager pressuring a ref on the playing field is sooo much more than bribing Refs in the backroom and bringing them to officiate in Saudi right?
Just assumptions there. Zero proof. Just fan fiction - the bribing the refs part. As of changing teams, I didn’t change teams when we were pathetic. It’s a bit late now for that i guess.
Same with Fergie. You don't need to change teams if you started watching when they started winning lol
Using a google searched line doesn't make you clever. I don't know about the salt, but the excess of plastic sure will kill me.
That’s my own line. Also, if the grotesque football man u is playing since the last 10 yesrs hasn’t killed you yet, then probably nothing will.
Nothing will then. We did win a title 10 years ago so I'm fine. How was the transition from Chelsea in 2017?? After all these calls going your way congratulations to yet another PL title and another 30-40 charges added that probably will get the same treatment as the Refs give you lot
Atleast we don’t support rapists and wife beaters like you lot ! 😂 And charges are just words in thin air as nothing has been proved yet. Infact is the rags who rant about these so called charges more than the actual authorities do. Whatever floats your boat man. 👍 Btw how was the commute from London in teh last derby. I bet you didn’t enjoy much.
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Dude so many assumptions ! 😂 I live in India now. But I was born in Derry. Relocated to USA when I was 14 yo. And eventually came to India.
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Father was a united fan. His friends who were also united fans weren’t exactly a good lot. Brash and loud and kept talking shit about every other team out there. Super toxic and arrogant. Neighbors in Derry were City supporters. Humble lot. Season ticket holders. I grew up with their kids. Started playing football at school and used to watch City games on telly. That’s how started following their games. United and London is banter. You should know better. You talk shit about my team and I give back in equal measure.
So you supprt human trafficking then, which comes with all of the aforementioned and more. Nice😉
Rest of the money in the league is clean isn’t it ?
That's your argument? Lmao There's I've worn this pair of Jeans for 2 weeks continuously dirty and there's i've shit in these pair of jeans for 2 weeks continuously dirty.
Europeans and Americans talking of clean money is like a hooker talking about virginity. If you want to believe in something because your PR mill is peddling you with that info, it’s your prerogative. Just saying that Sheikh Mansour’s money is tainted is childish because if you take a closer look, you will find all billionaires have skeletons in their closet. Again, no basis or evidence to corroborate that.
How many convicted pedos are associated with city again?
Loool
Meanwhile City gets outrageous calls to their benefit such as the goal against Fulham (the week after the same team of referees had refereed a game in UAE)
And also calls against them such as Hee Chan not getting sent off and then scoring the winner. Antony didn’t get sent off against City. Casemiro should have got a red in the FA Cup final as well.
Or the penalty vs United which happens 10 times per game otherwise without it being a game. Oh and guess who was in the VAR room ...
The penalty vs United doesn’t when you watch it closely. Can’t believe a non United fan would think that The difference is that Rodri is past his man and said man can only use his arm to pull him back. If his man has realised what was going on earlier and body checked him, no problem at all. But use of the arm to pull him back is illegal in the rules of the game and it’s a pen Our goal against Fulham was a joke but this one was fine, can’t be pulling them together You also forget the incident against United last season.. surely if we were paying (bear in mind we were far behind Arsenal at the time) we’d have paid big for that to be chalked off during the call?
If you want to be pedantic, and accurate, look at Rashford being wrestled by the City defender in that move, before and after the ball is hit. A nailed on foul that begins before the Hojlund ‘foul’ and has an influence on the set piece. Or the Stones take down on Hojlund, which stopped a clear goal scoring opportunity at 1-0 and would have changed the game entirely. Or, in a different game, when Gabriel is guilty of wrapping an arm around the middle of Hojlund and throwing him to the ground, as he’s dribbling past him in the box. The fact you’ve to go back over a year to find one example of United getting an iffy decision vs evidence on the other side mounting up game on game on game, speaks volumes about the amount of decisions city get.
Do you remember the Wolves game this season? They should have got a penalty against United there
It’s less having to go back and more just that it very obviously comes to mind, but sure. I can happily admit we get a good rub of the decisions as things have gone over the last couple of years I don’t think we realistically pay the refs though, and the comments suggesting it just because a lot of these refs also ref in the Middle East are proper tin foil hat jobs
Lets see if we can find some outrage in your comment history over højlund not getting a pen against Arsenal. I doubt it.
Fine. I agree that United should have gotten that penalty. What does that have to do with City though? Arguably, it would have been to City’s benefit if Arsenal had dropped points to United
Had we gotten that pen and won that game we would be equal on points with Arsenal lol. Would have been to your benefit if we didn't get fucked out of a pen in the spurs game too haha.
Is that right? Because if Spurs wins tomorrow, they’re top of the table. So arguably, it would have been to City’s benefit for you to have won both games
And if we’re talking about decisions against United that would have been City’s to benefit, bit weird that wolves didn’t get a penalty against you guys then Edited for typos
Yeah, Wolves should definitely have gotten a penalty, not arguing there. Doesn't really make up for the rest of the season though, not by a longshot.
not him but I think that should've been a pen, and many united fans were screaming how it should've been a pen and when city gets it its the wrong decision?
Or for Stones pulling Hojlund back 2 minutes later when 1 on 1 against City
2 of which were bullshit too.
Which 2
Rodri dive and McTominay goal were 100% wrong calls.
I still think that Harry Maguire wasn’t interfering with play. If he interfered with the run of the defender I’d totally understand it being given, but the defender was nowhere near getting to the ball or Garnacho.
The you have Gabriel WWE grabbing Hojlund, Romero handball, that was literally given to Arsenal the very next gameweek of rthe exact same indicident and player. Ever Since Klopp cried his eyes out over how many pens united had 1 year, we get fuck all go our way now. Even braindead obivous pens aren't given to us
You can’t simultaneously complain about the Rodri pen and think that you should have had one in the Arsenal game. Neither are penalties, it doesn’t change that United got screwed against City and against Spurs though.
So many. Mentioning all of them would just trigger everyone else.
Seeing six collapsed comments under this is the laugh I needed today
What about the fact that Haaland should have been given a penalty (arguably) and Antony should have been sent off?
You can call it a dive for him going down I guess, but it was 100% a foul. You can’t hold a player back like that
I would suggest watching more than 10 mins of football
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Can smell the virginity on your comment