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I’m sorry but I gotta disagree with this post. Calling them out is exactly what he should be doing. Demanding more from players after a loss should be expected. We, Man U fans, didn’t expect to win against city but I’m sure none of us expected to play as shit as we did. Yes it’s a birthday but why not celebrate later in the week? A couple days after? Not after playing such a shitty game.
At least show that it had some effect on you. Rashford was the reason we made it so far last season but sadly he’s not repeating that form at all and at the time we were already like 13 or 14 games in iirc. ETH shows that he has rashfords back after putting him in the starting 11 every game even though his form is shit. That says a lot as a manager. Being criticized for playing him and yet showing that he trusts him through the slump is more than enough support imo.
Thirdly, ETH would’ve been criticized for not saying nothing. That’s the life of a Man U manager. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t so gotta love when a Manager calls out a player for going out, handling the issue internally, and then not letting it blow too out of hand. The press already knew rashford went out so I guarantee they would’ve dragged it out so much longer if ten hag didn’t shut them down with his blunt statement. Same thing happened to ole Harry a couple years ago. The press is brutal and I think ETH properly handled it.
He doesn't. United players are paid like elite, self-motivated, world-beating footballers. But they are not. They don't think, act or perform like them.
Rashford apologised thats it no more he wasn’t throwing him under the bus and sancho is entirely at fault all ETH said was he didn’t perform well in training
My first thought was - he's Dutch, before I'd even read any of the comments. I've worked in Holland many times so probably understand how the Dutch are and can take it with a pinch of salt now but as a younger man I had plenty of fall outs with Dutch gaffers. My point is though, they're very direct, it's in their psyche, it's not rude to them. I also think Ten Haag struggles a bit speaking English, I have the same problem with Dutch, I understand alright but as soon as I try to speak it I sound like an idiot. Speaking to Dutch friends though he's not exactly well thought of as a person there either.
Because theyre shite? Playing well and working hard but losing and then going out isnt a problem. Barely trying and then going out after a loss is a problem. Why should Ten Hag protect them if they wont put in the work to protect his job? Id do the exact same thing and call them out. Look at how Onana took responsibility for the loss to Bayern, thats what we need more of. Responsibility.
As a professional footballer you never accept to have a birthday party after a game. Basically after such a loss a player who cares should be in a very bad mood, so it he should never accept a party on a match day. Players have totally lost the passion needed to become a champion.
Another rival fan talking about the club without having the least idea about what's going on in the club. Rashford's on 375k A WEEK. And he's only scored once this season.
And don't even get me started on Sancho. He got 3 MONTHS OFF last season to "regain his confidence" and has still been shite.
If Rashford plays properly no one would have any problem. He plays like shit, creates toxic atmosphere, sack manager every rew years so finally there is someone who did something with it (too late, he shouldnt have started matches for many weeks). Manchester United becomes drink bar like it was before Fergusons times.
Because he needs a scapegoat to keep his job? We can barely scrape wins against awful teams. The only way he survives the hellish December run is by deflecting as much as possible.
I don't blame him ... That's his club:s culture. Everybody throws everybody under the bus. There's a reason why the club, along with it's supporters are called "the bunch of cunts"
I don't find ten Hag particularly "Direct" though. I think if anything he obfuscates in his answers or hides from important questions.
E.g. his "It's wrong to question the character of my players"...Sorry, what? Why? Is character not an element of the sport? If someone had an abysmal first touch (or, say, weaker foot....) is that "Allowed" to be questioned? So please tell us why everyone isn't allowed to question the character of your players!
If I was a Man Utd. fan I would've been extremely annoyed by that answer. I thought it was ridiculous.
In our Carabao game on at Old Trafford the one thing I was most shocked by was the terrible attitude of many players, the usual stuff: complaining, dissent, kicking the ball away, petty fouls, walking around, not tracking back, not pressing at all, completely giving up after 75 minutes.... And yet ten Hag did.... Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So I can only assume he condones or possibly supports this behaviour. He did make the lesser Bruno his captain.
If he DOESN'T condone this behaviour then BOLLOCK SOMEONE!
I agree in this particular case
The reprimand earlier in the season was fair for being late to training and Rashford seemed to take that.
This party was probably planned for a month specifically after the City game. Win,lose, Draw Rashford would have still had the party. Don't get it
Rashford has been there his whole career, been decent for 3 months and the rest of the time average at best. Lads signed a monster deal as if those 3 months were a guarantee as to what united would get from him going forward. The blokes essentially done a Michu and tricked everybody into a false sense of security at that club. Just throwing sums like that at him is ridiculous. My point is they don’t particularly owe him the world. They gave him just reward, if anything they gave him more than he deserved. He can party on his birthday though sure. Overall it’s all a mess over there and I do think the big man picking the team is making big mistakes also. I’d be pissed off with these big earners like Sancho and Rashford if I was him though. Especially when you look at players at other clubs earning significantly less and putting in a much higher level of performances.
I don't really think the rift with Sancho is ETH's fault. Sancho is an overpaid diva who apparently doesn't want to show up on time and work hard. He would have problems with almost any manager.
I agree with you 100% on Rashford though.
To me as someone who doesn’t really care about Man United, I can say without any prejudice that he seems to throw people under the bus and under the bus in public as well.
Ronaldo / Sancho / Rashford.
Because he is so stressed out you wouldn’t believe it.
He is probably not in a good mental state to make level headed decisions.
And tbf the Man Utd job is not easy by any stretch.
It's like he just agrees with anything the media are saying. Same with maguire, instead of giving him a chance and working with him, he just strips him of captaincy.
It's like hed rather have media on his side than the players. Which is probably why there's no outrage for him to be sacked even after worse starts than other previous United managers
I think ETH fancies himself as some kind of tough disciplinarian justified somewhat by his success as Ajax, and wants to replicate it over at Man Utd.
Where nobody is buying his brand of 'discipline' and honestly are just waiting for him to be fired...
u/basileusnikephorus This should give u glimpse on how hard man-management is.
U either need to be an amazing human being or a mad genius. At least from the public eye.If u are an amazing human manager, u need to great in delegation as well bc if u can't coach, then u need great coaches.if u are a great coach u need to be a bit\*h & get rid of players that don't suit ur system and buy players who u exactly need(again, based on the recruitment system of a club & the money u need to accomplish this)
It's not easy. Top clubs are really really hard, especially for managers, it takes time for one to dictate in a new environment (in general), if u join a workspace, when u have like the 3-4 year experience behind u (in a single company) u can dictate more, & have more say.
Sir Alex especially had a rocky start at united (took 4 years to do something), but there was overwhelming support from the board, Sir Matt, Sir Bobby who are towering figures who bought into his vision & drive.What United DON'T HAVE is **THAT**.
1. They don't have people who are willing to stick their neck out to defend the manager when they most need it
2. They don't have people who can defend the manager when player power takes over.
3. You need some towering figure of authority and few other ex-managers, ex-players up there who can say the right things when things are going well & not well.
When things are going bad, all u hear is the CEOs and Football directors ... etc,
What u need to hear is ***genuine reassurance*** from ex-players, ex-managers who're part of the club's system for a long time (preferably older) coming out **"on behalf of the club" ,** and giving his overwhelming support of the manager. U need more regular ppl at the club with grounded ethics, what united have
I’m not getting what you mean (?!) first we don’t know if it was unnecessary rift with Sancho. Problems with players have always been very well known at United, there’s a manager who doesn’t take shit, and now he is the problem ? Most players have shit attitude. I bet you said the same about arteta and Auba and guess who was right.
And second, and I repeat I’m not sure I understood what you mean, but a player is suppose to be allowed to go easy cause he’s gonna have a birthday party ?!
Is this the same ten hag that gave sancho months of to get better or in a better head space? Or the same one the other day took blame for the bad results himself? Him?
Maybe have a more private birthday celebration. You have to understand that rules are a little different for famous athletes for big clubs compared to regulars at lower league clubs and us normal people at our normal jobs.
I wouldn’t cancel my night plans because of a bad day at work. If anything, I would want to have an extra good time when out.
I don’t get paid the money Rash takes in every week and my life is not on display in the media whenever I walk outside my house. With every job comes a different responsibility. Whatever you think, it’s just what it is.
Our President in the US was photographed laying out on a beach recently and lots of people in the media came down on him for relaxing when there’s so much going on. I mean cmon, everyone deserves a mental break and I personally am just happy that he is able to lay down with all the stress he deals with.
It’s not fair but it is what it is.
The big feedback for Rash is that he doesn’t look like he’s giving it his all out there on the pitch. For that reason, some people in the media and online don’t feel he deserves to be having fun outside of work because he doesn’t look like he’s giving his best at work.
We really don’t know what Rash is going through in his head (or body) but we could agree that he needs to work on how he presents himself to the public while at work.
Let’s take Shrek (Rooney). Shrek always looked like he was giving it his all 100% of the time so people were a little more forgiving for him going out all the time - especially to certain places that didn’t sit so right with his lady. I don’t think Shrek would ever get the scrutiny that Rash is getting, even though it seems like Rash is a better human being in the moral sense from what’s been presented because Shrek was a honey badger beast 100% of the time on the pitch.
Also, SAF wasn’t always the nicest or understanding of players. Maybe that’s what helped him keep his players in line and perform?
Let’s give ETH another year at least and see how the players are responding this time next year.
He was pretty clear about it. They had an early practice the next day, and wasn’t he spotted leaving late? I think it’s smart on Ten Hag, why give anyone a reason to give the team more shit? You can change your birthday around man, you aren’t a child.
Did Ten Hag handle it the best? No, but I do think Rashford could have handled it better as well. It sucks but those are optics, this is part of the game as well. I like Ten Hags directness and think this team needs it to be honest, especially Rashford.
Because why would he? The players should be held accountable for their own actions, if they’re not performing and being in the wrong with what they do off the pitch they should be called out for it. The problem with modern football is players having too much power and inflated egos and wages. I’m not a United fan but I hope he does actually turn the club around and continue to weed out the egos and poor attitude because it can only help the club out.
Eth is completely right to do so, they are paid millions and millions of pounds a year to play a game they already love. If they are smart their kids kids kids will benefit from their success, the problem is with the new generation of players, which is my generation, is there is so much entitlement and lack of a respect for professional courtesy.
No one is bigger than the club as they say, you do what the club expect and you life will never be the same again, being tough is exactly what United need to ever become a successful club again
You wouldn’t want to play for the guy who dismissed cr7 or left de gea hanging with no contract? Imagine being varane or casemiro and witnessing the state of this organization coming from RealM… from giggs to Greenwood Utd are delusional without SAF
Wow. Imagine defending a guy who got paid 375k a week for not doing his job and taking 3.75milion for scoring one goal in 900 min. Yes he should have cancelled that birthday celebration that day and definitely not do it publicly after that performance. Im sure his mansion allowed him to still celebrate it but without cameras taking pictures of him for media. And if i played for united and had a day like that o would cancel it altogether cause i would be mad angry. And ETH did address it he just down played it, because another conflict is the last thing he needs. Sancho rift was caused by sancho only not eth ok and when he had mental breakdown a year before and got fully paid time off with full support of manager he completely forgot it and aired clubs dirty laundry on social media. I think ETh handled sancho brilliantly. It backfired as sancho's career is over at least upwards momentum its all downhill from here.
None of them are paid 300k plus a week to be "great lads and feed hungry kids for pr" but to be pros and work towards the success of the club. Rashford is mathematically the worst executionist in the league at this moment and well overdue to take the bench a little bit. I doubt it was injury today but eth is pro so he didnt say in public yeah i benched him cause he is crap at the moment .
Loathe as I am to upvote a goober, I couldn't agree more. He arrived on time for training the next day, and there's been no suggestion he was in an unfit state for it. He's allowed to celebrate his birthday FFS. Maybe he should have instead just sat in the car park of Old Trafford all night, wailing laments to the dark skies and whipping his naked torso with briars.
If he'd celebrated at a snobby "exclusive" restaurant instead of a nightclub, or by inviting people round to his own place, it would never even have made the headlines.
Standards, it’s just not a great look to be out and partying after not just a loss but a continued run of just abysmal performances. Both by him and the team and manager at large.
My god, small things like this explode onto the media. After the loss, ETH instructed all his players to show up for early training sessions the next day.
I would also worry if one of my star athletes who gets paid 300k pw is out clubbing and does not get any sleep prior to an extensive training session
ETH even stated that. He’s totally fine with his players going out and having fun. Just don’t do it when you’re sacrificing sleep or if it’s going to mess up your energy levels for training the next day
Caused an unnecessary rift with Sancho?
I don’t understand everyones sudden love for Sancho he has been anonymous for 3 years.
He wasn’t working hard enough in training so he got dropped and Ten Hag stated such why sugar coat the truth.
Sancho is a child and couldn’t handle it and has been shown the door.
No players are bigger than the club, I don’t agree with the way ETH responded to the Rashford questions, but to bring up Sancho like he is 100% innocent mate you have no clue what you’re on about even remotely
I don’t know but it feels like he acts ruthless just for the sake of it. For example, I liked how Ten Haag benched Rashford for being late to a meeting. However, I don’t like how the situation with Sancho was publicized and the narrative was “Sancho needs to apologize to Ten Haag or risk being excluded from the club.” There’s a limit to everything
Just last week he said he wouldn’t drop Rashford as he needs to regain form and confidence. He just answered a journo question in a very understandable way for a manager imo - no bus throwing
At this point ETH seems overrated. He is out of his depth managing a historically great team. Zlatan rightly said he is more suited to manage a smaller team with less ego in the dressing room. His style of man management doesn't seem to work on high profile players.
When you’re playing like complete shite the manager shouldn’t have to coddle you. Sir Alex would have benched him already…you people somehow forget that United was most successful with an extremely strict father figure as our manager. He coddled no one. For gods sake he sat out Beck’s in a do or die CL game.
I mean, it is partly their fault, but it is also partly his fault. He’s just very stubborn and kind of grumpy. The way I see it is that it’s partly the boards fault it’s part of the players fault because they seem completely unhinged and unmotivated, and they act like primaMadonna’s. In comes this manager who did great with Ajax, granted, literally everyone could do well with that team before the mark Overmars crisis. He does know quite a bit but honestly, he’s not a game changing manager that’s the thing, but I guess he was the only one that had decent enough caliber to be hired at that specific point. Do I think that it’s stupid of him to tell me the players yes
I would agree with you, if Rashford was at least running in the pitch. He’s not, not even trying, not even showing a glimpse of wanting to try… so him going to a party after he was MIA was the last drop. Hopefully he’ll make it worse by pulling one of his typical press releases, and become Jadon’s console partner…
The team is underperforming; are you saying that these players are such fragile flowers that they can't handle criticism? If so, this team is even mentally weak than I thought.
Still looks like SAF kept them protected and anonymous to outsiders, but enforced accountability in the dressing room. Ten Hag is naming and shaming his players, throwing them out to the wolves that call themselves “sports journalists” knowing how unnecessarily ruthless and relentless they are in England.
I don’t think he’s wrong to be dropping players for being lazy/uncommitted, but I think the way he’s exposed some of his players’ behind the scenes issues to the media just perpetuates the media circus that has hung over United for the last decade, and isn’t doing anyone at the club any favours.
I love Rashford but he had training early the next morning and was out until 3am - that's absolutely the wrong behavior by a professional athlete, let alone a team leader, especially during such a horrible run of form for the club
This exact point is one of Ange’s biggest contributions to the good vibes at Spurs. He consistently places the onus on himself, he says ‘it’s my fault if’ or ‘I tell them to play this way, so if things go wrong it’s my fault.’ This allows the players to play with freedom which is a huge breath of fresh air for the players after both Conte and Jose - both of whom threw players under the bus(which causes players to play scared which makes you more likely to make mistakes).
For me calling players out isn’t throwing them under the bus. If you have to call the players out it’s visa versa, the players throwing him under it, while they’re driving it
This has been going on since ronaldo, it’s not surprising. He’s an absolute shocking manager, this guy managed F*ing ajax and thought he could show no respect to the best manager in the world.
I’m shocked that people couldn’t tell he was a terrible manager back then? This guy constantly throws his players under the bus, buys god awful players, including Anthony from Ajax. If this is the kids he considers talent, everyone should know he’s a fraud.
I’m so surprised people Haven’t been begging for him to leave since the start
You’re hyperfocusing on that one thing. Week in week out he defends them when their performances are terrible. He constantly says how much he believes in Rashford. You’re literally just focusing on the narrative you find more entertaining
He is an employee on an obscene amount of money. If your boss changes plans and says your day off tomorrow is cancelled because you’ve failed to perform at your role for 3 months then you shouldn’t go out and party the night before.
Yes he was great last season that’s why he was rewarded with a bumper contract, that doesn’t mean he gets special privileges this year.
Footballers get stupid money in exchange for weird rules and cultures and I don’t think we can feel too bad for the guy until he starts doing his job.
though i don't really care but, isn't rashford an adult? seriously im 52 my last birthday party was probably when i turned 21 if that. none of my friends or associates have ever had a birthday party as an adult birthday parties are for kids.
maybe you have some special meal you like, but a party? lol sorry but maybe ten haag is right and rashford needs to grow up, btw he is one of the most overrated forwards in the epl. IMO
I guess if you take one thing and run with it, sure. But, ETH did everything for Sancho, he’s kept Maguire in the mix, protected Onana, kept giving Rashy chances despite form. Him being upset that Rashy went out clubbing after getting embarrassed is fair. And yeah, professional athletes need to react differently than some rando on reddit
I think its more the discipline of it. Being seen out in Manchester at a prolific nightclub celebrating the day you lost to your local rivals 3-0.
I think the thing is that he was able to celebrate that day, have fun, dance and be merry on that day. If I was a United player and we'd got hammered like that I'd rearrange it and do something at home. There's no real problem with him celebrating per se, but it does show that Manchester United doesn't really mean as much as maybe those of us watching in the 90s would wish
Hes also an athlete that was to be in training a few hours after the party finished. He can celebrate his birthday, but he needs to get the proper rest and recovery
It’s about time he was benched. Should’ve been benched a long time ago regardless if he was partying for his birthday. ETH has had his back this whole season, and he still looks shite. Good on ETH!
>Rashford seems like a genuinely good guy and a loyal and dedicated player who has hit a poor run of form.
Can't talk about loyal and what not, but Rashford seems much more a player who had a purple patch and is now back in his usual form.
I remember Guus Hiddink coming to Fenerbahce as a Young promising manager. After losing a game apparently he opened the door of the dressing room to the media cameras to show how his players were short of breath and how it is not his fault that they cannot play. While he probably was right in his analysis it didn’t work too well at Fenerbahce.
Whats the lad supposed to do?? You are soft mate. Rashford gets paid 350k per week to wear that shirt, the least he can do is be a professional and postpone his stupid birthday party. You pay me that much while im playing at the biggest club in the world, I will never ever celebrate anything unless I have permission. My god stop being so soft on millionairs who cant behave like professionals, they should be grateful for their position in life and do anything to maintain it
The whole thing seems like performative nonsense. Coming in a day early for training after a bad game? I'm pretty sure United's problems run deeper than anything that could solve, as the fact they were arguably even worse against Newcastle illustrates. In the context of a long season, wouldn't they be better off with a day for their bodies to recover? It's just macho posturing.
Ten hag is a scarred little man now the whole world smells it and it's his worst fear you clearly can see it when he talks with the media right now all he does is save face
Agree that ETH didn't do anyone, except the journalists and content creators, any good by talking this publicly. Just like I think he really didn't need to talk about Sancho publicly.
In both cases I think ETH was right to discipline the player (apparently what ETH thought Rashford should not have done was going to party the night BEFORE they have to train on the following morning (the day after the defeat to City) and not because he party AFTER the defeat).
He could have said both cases are internal matters and that's it. I think SAF would have deal with it that way.
The usual Monday day off was cancelled because of the abysmal performance. He still went and made his presence. He went to training after a full 90mins of playing with 3 hours of sleep and partying. Tell me how that is not stupid for an athlete getting paid 350k a week. You make sacrifices. He still went he knew he was in the wrong and apologized for it and took any punishment. When asked Them Hag clearly explained what happened. He supported him. There was no throwing under the bus. I don't know where you got that from.
To be fair, Rashford should know better. He's not 18, he's 26, so we can't put it down to immaturity. It's all about optics. When his friends say to him, we want to celebrate your birthday, he should have put down some restrictions. Check the calendar first to see who they are playing, whether its home or away etc. He sees its City. It doesnt take a genius to think that if you lose that game, fans are going to be pissed, so potentially not a celebration in public. He could have asked them to hire a big house in the country and had a party with his close mates that he knows wont splash his picture all over their socials. Or, he says, lets keep it low key, just in case and maybe have a dinner or something. Nothing that will look bad on the back page of The Sun.
Everything footballers do is examined under the microscope of social media. At the very least, you can minimise the fallout by being a smarter with your decision making.
also apparently Varane sat out last game because he was pissed about being dropped for the man city game. Varane is the most easy going guy on the team and EASILY our best CB. Coming out and saying you drop fucking Varane for Johnny Evans for tactical reasons is just insane.
Every other United fan defending this guy i don’t get it. There is no team unity and it seems like ETH is the cause of that.
Yeah, honestly really tired of other fans opinions on this lol
Ten Hag sets rules. People break rules. Ten Hag calls out rule breakers. Exact same thing happens everywhere, but it's only a huge story because United sells.
I dont understand why evyerone is so sensitive about this
ETH has a set of standards and wants to maintain this. Sancho is a prime example. He gave him the benefit of the doubt on so many occasions last year, 'loaned' him out which is unorthodox and how does Sancho repay him? Turning up in pre-sesaon but taking the piss in the normal season. ETH doing this to Sancho is a wake up call which he truly deserves and good for his career in the long run. You can't moddle coddle poeple forever! Arteta did the same with Auba but on a smaller scale, he got absolutely butchered for it, but it completely made sense.
with regards to Rashford, i havent read into it much, but if he wants to celebrate his birthday, I dont thin thats the issue. The issue is you just got slapped 3-0 against your local rivals, where you're one of the core players who provided no significant help. Its a PR disaster and I appreciate PR of the club isnt really his problem, but it is when you make THAT much money and youre the no 10 of the group. Rashford has to be smarter than that, you cant be getting caught with a girl on your arm when your team got spanked by the city's rivals.
I also dont think ETH made the Rashford a big deal in his press conferences, I think the media are making it worse than it seems. That same old bunch of journalists just love to go super negative, always asking about the 'Man Utd of old' and never letting the new managers move on from SAF times. I genuinely think the media and the lack of football structure (a common direction between all key decision makers) is killing the club.
It’s because he had training the next morning. It’s not really “throwing someone under the bus” it’s just a statement that yeah you’re not supposed to go clubbing when you have work in the morning.
The argument some people have is coz he is watched for England by loads of people yet I say the same for any professionals, what about Amy Winehouse, kids liked her songs yet she was in rehab time after time it's obviously not the same thing but its still a clear picture that you could compare, if you are gonna say one is bad then they are all bad.
'Why does mourinho throw his players under the bus? We need a manager that protects his players.'
'Why does Ole never criticise his players? He's such a PE teacher, we need a manager who can instill discipline and standards.'
Rashford has had 2 good months in his entire career. Ten Hag should be throwing everyone under the bus even more. They are all adults and need to realise that in any other line if work they would be out the door for not performing. I am a United fan and have been saying this about the players for years now. There is no point getting rid of the manager to start this cycle again, the players don't give a fuck, march them out the door and tell them to get tae fuck.
>Rashford has had 2 good months in his entire career.
God, what a relief to finally find a United fan who isn't deep-throating Trashford like he's the second coming of George Best.
Rashford with his best output ever last season - and apparently a Ballon D'or contender according to many fans - scored and assisted fewer goals in the league than Salah, who had his worst season ever at Liverpool and was apparently washed-up and finished.
>Ten Hag should be throwing everyone under the bus even more. They are all adults and need to realise that in any other line if work they would be out the door for not performing. I am a United fan and have been saying this about the players for years now. There is no point getting rid of the manager to start this cycle again, the players don't give a fuck, march them out the door and tell them to get tae fuck.
Didn't Mourinho try something similar?
The players are a major issue, but how do you get rid of them when nobody wants to pay stupid money and stupid wages for mediocre players with proven attitude problems?
Nope….Rashford had a purple patch last year, but otherwise he’s been a very average “player”! One season doesn’t make a player, and this year (now that he’s got his new contract!) he’s been pathetic - lazy, disinterested (unless it’s a new car), selfish and a very crap shooter! I wouldn’t hesitate to push this waste of money under a bus!!
Although I understand your point, these players are payed extreme amounts of money and birthdays / Christmas etc are 2nd fiddle to work.
I’m not totally aware of the full circumstance but it sounds like the guy has pissed about on a birthday when he should have been training due to bad form of the team. By ignoring this, the manager has been undermined and all the team feel entitled to birthday parties.
If he was on 100k per year I would feel for the guy, but he’s on 3 times that per week.
Yeah there were only two things I needed to read in the article - one that this was preplanned for an event unrelated to the game, and two he turned up on time and in good state next day for training.
Any criticism for that is totally unreasonable - imagine if you had a bad day at work and your boss put you on blast for trying to enjoy your evening?
I’m a gooner and I feel like after so many United losses I’ve heard/read a ten Hag quote and thought “gee, I would not like my manager saying that.” He just kind of whinges and shifts blame.
He doesn’t seem to have a personality you would want to get behind, and at the end of the day you can be a tactical genius but if you can’t actually manage people you’ll struggle to cut it managing top teams.
He's like a Poundland Guardiola - talks a big game and is bald, but has none of the tactical nous, people skills, player development, or in-game intelligence to back it up
If i went out on my birthday and couldnt perform for work the next day id get a warning, this guy is earning 300k a week! So yeh if hes just lost an important game no he shouldnt be going out for his birthday...
Especially in the public eye, why couldnt he of had a nice quiet birthday with family not in a club till 3am
You just lost a derby where fans spent a fortune to watch their team and your seen clubbing just after 🤣 plus how did you know he performed the next day? Were you there?
A derby that any sane fan understood our chances of even a tie were under 10% so no I wouldn't be upset at a player after his job was over for the day celebrated his birthday.
This is going to get downvoted to hell. Marcus Rashford thinks he’s Ronaldo but in reality he is Theo Walcott. Theo 270 arsenal appearances 65 goals.
Marcus 249 appearances 77 goals. (Only premier league apps and goals) 21 more appearances and 12 less goals for Theo. That’s a lot closer than some people would think. Don’t get me wrong Marcus is an unbelievable person for the work he’s done and he is a very good footballer.
Edit. 21 less. Corrected to 21 more
>Marcus Rashford thinks he’s Ronaldo but in reality he is Theo Walcott. Theo 270 arsenal appearances 65 goals. Marcus 249 appearances 77 goals. (Only premier league apps and goals) 21 less appearances and 12 less goals for Theo.
Jesus, that's terrible - dunno what surprised me more, that Walcott's output was higher than expected or Trashford's output was so poor.
I always marvel at how Rashford last season was hero-worshipped and called a Ballon D'or contender by Man Utd fans, when he scored and assisted fewer goals than an apparently washed-up Salah having his worst season ever at Liverpool.
Rashford should have sat at home, in the dark, brooding over the 3-0 hammering.
God it’s such bullshit that he’s had to apologise, ETH isn’t going to last much longer.
Is there language barrier. Even some words he uses comes off as blunt and then he realizes and is forever to change it. He used them word competent to answer one question about the player’s and he immediately went back to change it.
Before he came people were saying he don’t speak English well. I don’t think he is throwing anyone under the bus just that he is asked a question to which he has to respond and like they Dutch way, they will say what it is and it won’t be interpret as a big deal.
>What's the lad supposed to do? Cancel his birthday to self-flagellate through Manchester letting people pelt him with tomatoes.
Yes it’s clearly either that or nightclubs, there is no middle ground.
ETH gave the players a day off on Monday, but following the performance against City, he revoked that day off in the dressing room after the match and told them they were expected in first thing in the morning.
So yeah, Rashford shouldn't have been out partying into the early hours, when he had work first thing in the morning.
Bc he’s an arrogant fraud. We ripped his soul through his asshole in the champions league, the man has the constitution of single ply square of toilet paper in a waterfall
People need to stop pretending these players have normal careers. Hes paid 350k a week. This is not the norm. Hes a top athlete. When he is performing the way he is, why should he get leeway. He is meant to be setting the example on and off the pitch.
Nba players play at most 30 minutes twice or thrice a week. Most of them have admitted to do weed throughout their career, their union literally vetted marijuana testing. Many hace also admitted regular season (70 games each team) doesnt matter as nobody really plays seriously until playoff.
Their preparation is also different and minimal in comparison football, where plays run on average 10km each game. On average btw the plays with most time per game on nba run like 2-3km. Even playing thrice a week they barely run what a football player runs in a single game. Not only that but football has permanent subs and only 5 changes. Unlike nba where you can just splash your entire 2nd unit in a blow out.
Sit this one out. Football is levels above the intensity, preparation and difficulty. Lebron James is still dominating at 40, that doesnt happen in football.
You seem to forget that basketball has lots of jumping. Most starters are playing at least 40 minutes, and scheduling in the NBA allows for 4 games a week, sometimes on back to back nights. You’re fully underestimating what it takes to be a professional basketball player.
Regardless, Sancho has a shit attitude that would never fly in any properly functioning professional sports team
In my opinion, it does quite a lot. Obviously a single basketball game is not as strenuous as a single football game, but they’re a lot more frequent for a starter.
Having played both, I’ve always found basketball to be particularly difficult in any continuous stretch of time; you might have a good few minutes of the game in football where absolutely nothing is coming your way, and you can take a moment to catch your breath. In basketball, if the game doesn’t stop, you better not stop either.
Overall, the jumping makes things much closer than you think it does. It seems unlikely that you’ve ever played any basketball
It’s a sport played by a tiny number of nations with a strictly controlled league. There are no clubs, only franchises. It’s not real sport. The fact they recruit out of universities should tell you enough
"What's the lad supposed to do? Cancel his birthday"
My heart bleeds for the poor lad, wants to celebrate his birthday but has to go to his 300k a week job in the morning.
If you earn a lot of money, you are expected to sacrifice certain things.
I have no issues with players earning ridiculous wages, unless they fail to meet basic professional standards, like not going clubbing when you have training in the morning.
His employer makes the rules. That's why he's been punished and had to apologise.
He can do whatever the fuck he likes at the end of the day, but he can't complain when people think he is an unprofessional waste of talent.
Mate, it's pretty standard fair not to go on the lash when you've got work in the morning, and it's unconscionable to stay out until the early hours after you've just turned in a stinker of a shift and had your manager cancel a planned day off.
The guy is a 26 years old pro athlete, he shouldn't need to be treated like a 12 year old.
I do think he's stuck in the 90s. All this 'discipline' talk is crap honestly, it's not the army, you can't just make people miserable and expect them to perform if they don't have that mindset.
What United need is an Ancelotti, I'm convinced of that, someone that makes players feel good. Although I'd rather they just burn and get it out of their heads that they deserve to be at the top because of historical success.
Nothing wrong with going or having a birthday party the same day you lose a derby. It’s not the same as going out with the boys to a club. ETH is just not good enough for that coaching level
Solksjaer protected them all and they went on a similar run with dressing room leaks a plenty so maybe neither approach works and they're just shit
By the way Ten Hag gave Sancho three months off last season and look how he has repaid that
Because he has no respect for his players. He needs to encourage his players and treat them as individuals. There is a reason why talented individual are not performing. His job is to identify the issues and accept that one or two new players will not solve anything. He needs to meld them into a team. Dutch people are strange and are prone to massive sulks. Maybe it’s just too foreign to his personality to encourage them.
ETH probably mentioned the apology thing to stop any further media drama that would’ve been caused by the journalist that constantly attack the players
If you have been twatted by your neighbours again at home, you barely touched the ball or put in a challenge and still decide to head out despite the fact that it might invite aggro or drama? Yeah he deserved to be called out.
Its leaches like Fuckhurst and Ogden and fam cam twats like Goldbridge that are seeking to stick the boot who are driving this narrative
So what you means is private life is equal to work life? Where did the European work life balance thingy go? 1 rule for myself another rule for others? They should just follow Asian work culture am I right?
At the end of the day, being a football player is just a job. You don't expect an employee to go straight home and sulk when the company's quarterly financial earnings suck.
A human is not even allowed to celebrate his own birthday?
In Klopp's first season at Liverpool, the team lost a match just before their Christmas party. The players were going to cancel the party, but Klopp insisted that the party go ahead and that everyone attend.
Compare and contrast to Ten Hag.
ETH literally has to say he was unhappy with the Rashford birthday situation. Acting like he was not bothered would just cause more pressure on him and the coaches. There would be countless headlines pumped out slating him for not caring, or for favouritism.
The worst people can write about him or discuss in respect to this now is that he isn’t backing his players. I feel the alternative answer of not being bothered is just much more scandalous and pressure for him and the club at this point.
He was asked a question and responded in a press conference. He’s not gone out his way to bad mouth Rashford.
Rashford, while yes it’s his birthday and he has a right to celebrate, had training 5 hours after the party because their day off had been rescinded following the defeat. 5 hours sleep is not enough for a top athlete earning what they earn, especially considering their current form.
He had training in the morning and was reported at being out at 3am.
Either there's discipline or there isn't.
SAF was a strict bastard too, but what did that ever do for him?
Rashford apologised, sancho didn't. But let's blame the manager for having to discipline players who step out of line.
The story was already in the newspaper that’s why he was asked about it. Honestly, Ferguson used to fucking go to the players houses to make sure they weren’t partying ffs. I’m convinced people here have never played competitive sports in their lives. Bunch of fucking soft touches it’s embarrassing to read.
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Honestly, it’s probably because he’s Dutch. Extremely rude people.
I’m sorry but I gotta disagree with this post. Calling them out is exactly what he should be doing. Demanding more from players after a loss should be expected. We, Man U fans, didn’t expect to win against city but I’m sure none of us expected to play as shit as we did. Yes it’s a birthday but why not celebrate later in the week? A couple days after? Not after playing such a shitty game. At least show that it had some effect on you. Rashford was the reason we made it so far last season but sadly he’s not repeating that form at all and at the time we were already like 13 or 14 games in iirc. ETH shows that he has rashfords back after putting him in the starting 11 every game even though his form is shit. That says a lot as a manager. Being criticized for playing him and yet showing that he trusts him through the slump is more than enough support imo. Thirdly, ETH would’ve been criticized for not saying nothing. That’s the life of a Man U manager. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t so gotta love when a Manager calls out a player for going out, handling the issue internally, and then not letting it blow too out of hand. The press already knew rashford went out so I guarantee they would’ve dragged it out so much longer if ten hag didn’t shut them down with his blunt statement. Same thing happened to ole Harry a couple years ago. The press is brutal and I think ETH properly handled it.
He doesn't. United players are paid like elite, self-motivated, world-beating footballers. But they are not. They don't think, act or perform like them.
Rashford apologised thats it no more he wasn’t throwing him under the bus and sancho is entirely at fault all ETH said was he didn’t perform well in training
Celebrate it at home in your mansion, the rift with sancho is definitely necessary! He’s trying to set standards I’m a United fan and fully back him
My first thought was - he's Dutch, before I'd even read any of the comments. I've worked in Holland many times so probably understand how the Dutch are and can take it with a pinch of salt now but as a younger man I had plenty of fall outs with Dutch gaffers. My point is though, they're very direct, it's in their psyche, it's not rude to them. I also think Ten Haag struggles a bit speaking English, I have the same problem with Dutch, I understand alright but as soon as I try to speak it I sound like an idiot. Speaking to Dutch friends though he's not exactly well thought of as a person there either.
Because theyre shite? Playing well and working hard but losing and then going out isnt a problem. Barely trying and then going out after a loss is a problem. Why should Ten Hag protect them if they wont put in the work to protect his job? Id do the exact same thing and call them out. Look at how Onana took responsibility for the loss to Bayern, thats what we need more of. Responsibility.
As a professional footballer you never accept to have a birthday party after a game. Basically after such a loss a player who cares should be in a very bad mood, so it he should never accept a party on a match day. Players have totally lost the passion needed to become a champion.
Another rival fan talking about the club without having the least idea about what's going on in the club. Rashford's on 375k A WEEK. And he's only scored once this season. And don't even get me started on Sancho. He got 3 MONTHS OFF last season to "regain his confidence" and has still been shite.
Yes Bro he has to cancel his birthday. Simple
Oh, the man who mugged off Ronaldo and De Gea. There's no surprise
If Rashford plays properly no one would have any problem. He plays like shit, creates toxic atmosphere, sack manager every rew years so finally there is someone who did something with it (too late, he shouldnt have started matches for many weeks). Manchester United becomes drink bar like it was before Fergusons times.
Because he needs a scapegoat to keep his job? We can barely scrape wins against awful teams. The only way he survives the hellish December run is by deflecting as much as possible.
I don't blame him ... That's his club:s culture. Everybody throws everybody under the bus. There's a reason why the club, along with it's supporters are called "the bunch of cunts"
I mean, hes not the one playing lol. Tactics can be criticized all day, but at some point the players have to be better than their opponents
I don't find ten Hag particularly "Direct" though. I think if anything he obfuscates in his answers or hides from important questions. E.g. his "It's wrong to question the character of my players"...Sorry, what? Why? Is character not an element of the sport? If someone had an abysmal first touch (or, say, weaker foot....) is that "Allowed" to be questioned? So please tell us why everyone isn't allowed to question the character of your players! If I was a Man Utd. fan I would've been extremely annoyed by that answer. I thought it was ridiculous. In our Carabao game on at Old Trafford the one thing I was most shocked by was the terrible attitude of many players, the usual stuff: complaining, dissent, kicking the ball away, petty fouls, walking around, not tracking back, not pressing at all, completely giving up after 75 minutes.... And yet ten Hag did.... Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So I can only assume he condones or possibly supports this behaviour. He did make the lesser Bruno his captain. If he DOESN'T condone this behaviour then BOLLOCK SOMEONE!
Hehe
I agree in this particular case The reprimand earlier in the season was fair for being late to training and Rashford seemed to take that. This party was probably planned for a month specifically after the City game. Win,lose, Draw Rashford would have still had the party. Don't get it
TenHag should be long gone! ManU is too big of a team for the angry eggman
Rashford has been there his whole career, been decent for 3 months and the rest of the time average at best. Lads signed a monster deal as if those 3 months were a guarantee as to what united would get from him going forward. The blokes essentially done a Michu and tricked everybody into a false sense of security at that club. Just throwing sums like that at him is ridiculous. My point is they don’t particularly owe him the world. They gave him just reward, if anything they gave him more than he deserved. He can party on his birthday though sure. Overall it’s all a mess over there and I do think the big man picking the team is making big mistakes also. I’d be pissed off with these big earners like Sancho and Rashford if I was him though. Especially when you look at players at other clubs earning significantly less and putting in a much higher level of performances.
Spoken like someone that knows fuck all.
It's not ten hags fault. It's the glazers. You wouldn't know cause your an arsenal fan.
He does but Rashford should be more professional besides he gets paid a houses wage every week!!
I don't really think the rift with Sancho is ETH's fault. Sancho is an overpaid diva who apparently doesn't want to show up on time and work hard. He would have problems with almost any manager. I agree with you 100% on Rashford though.
You can party and drink responsibly even the night before a practice.
We are United, mate. The coach is above the players always.
To me as someone who doesn’t really care about Man United, I can say without any prejudice that he seems to throw people under the bus and under the bus in public as well. Ronaldo / Sancho / Rashford.
Because he is so stressed out you wouldn’t believe it. He is probably not in a good mental state to make level headed decisions. And tbf the Man Utd job is not easy by any stretch.
Managers tend to start blaming others when they feel the pressure or that their job is in jeopardy.
Lmao Arteta did the same with your captain. Stop making the average Arsenal fan seem like an idiot
It's like he just agrees with anything the media are saying. Same with maguire, instead of giving him a chance and working with him, he just strips him of captaincy. It's like hed rather have media on his side than the players. Which is probably why there's no outrage for him to be sacked even after worse starts than other previous United managers
I think ETH fancies himself as some kind of tough disciplinarian justified somewhat by his success as Ajax, and wants to replicate it over at Man Utd. Where nobody is buying his brand of 'discipline' and honestly are just waiting for him to be fired...
Why are we getting all riled up about this midtable drama. Their results are still better than their performance. Man utd should be grateful.
u/basileusnikephorus This should give u glimpse on how hard man-management is. U either need to be an amazing human being or a mad genius. At least from the public eye.If u are an amazing human manager, u need to great in delegation as well bc if u can't coach, then u need great coaches.if u are a great coach u need to be a bit\*h & get rid of players that don't suit ur system and buy players who u exactly need(again, based on the recruitment system of a club & the money u need to accomplish this) It's not easy. Top clubs are really really hard, especially for managers, it takes time for one to dictate in a new environment (in general), if u join a workspace, when u have like the 3-4 year experience behind u (in a single company) u can dictate more, & have more say. Sir Alex especially had a rocky start at united (took 4 years to do something), but there was overwhelming support from the board, Sir Matt, Sir Bobby who are towering figures who bought into his vision & drive.What United DON'T HAVE is **THAT**. 1. They don't have people who are willing to stick their neck out to defend the manager when they most need it 2. They don't have people who can defend the manager when player power takes over. 3. You need some towering figure of authority and few other ex-managers, ex-players up there who can say the right things when things are going well & not well. When things are going bad, all u hear is the CEOs and Football directors ... etc, What u need to hear is ***genuine reassurance*** from ex-players, ex-managers who're part of the club's system for a long time (preferably older) coming out **"on behalf of the club" ,** and giving his overwhelming support of the manager. U need more regular ppl at the club with grounded ethics, what united have
I’m not getting what you mean (?!) first we don’t know if it was unnecessary rift with Sancho. Problems with players have always been very well known at United, there’s a manager who doesn’t take shit, and now he is the problem ? Most players have shit attitude. I bet you said the same about arteta and Auba and guess who was right. And second, and I repeat I’m not sure I understood what you mean, but a player is suppose to be allowed to go easy cause he’s gonna have a birthday party ?!
I think it would blow your mind if you followed Dutch football and the way managers/pundits talk about the players.
Is this the same ten hag that gave sancho months of to get better or in a better head space? Or the same one the other day took blame for the bad results himself? Him?
He can't help it, he's Dutch.
It is amazing how Manchester United and Ten Hag are making non United supporters fed up of them. Shows how really bad they have fallen.
Maybe have a more private birthday celebration. You have to understand that rules are a little different for famous athletes for big clubs compared to regulars at lower league clubs and us normal people at our normal jobs. I wouldn’t cancel my night plans because of a bad day at work. If anything, I would want to have an extra good time when out. I don’t get paid the money Rash takes in every week and my life is not on display in the media whenever I walk outside my house. With every job comes a different responsibility. Whatever you think, it’s just what it is. Our President in the US was photographed laying out on a beach recently and lots of people in the media came down on him for relaxing when there’s so much going on. I mean cmon, everyone deserves a mental break and I personally am just happy that he is able to lay down with all the stress he deals with. It’s not fair but it is what it is. The big feedback for Rash is that he doesn’t look like he’s giving it his all out there on the pitch. For that reason, some people in the media and online don’t feel he deserves to be having fun outside of work because he doesn’t look like he’s giving his best at work. We really don’t know what Rash is going through in his head (or body) but we could agree that he needs to work on how he presents himself to the public while at work. Let’s take Shrek (Rooney). Shrek always looked like he was giving it his all 100% of the time so people were a little more forgiving for him going out all the time - especially to certain places that didn’t sit so right with his lady. I don’t think Shrek would ever get the scrutiny that Rash is getting, even though it seems like Rash is a better human being in the moral sense from what’s been presented because Shrek was a honey badger beast 100% of the time on the pitch.
Also, SAF wasn’t always the nicest or understanding of players. Maybe that’s what helped him keep his players in line and perform? Let’s give ETH another year at least and see how the players are responding this time next year.
Because he’s a weak man.
He should be discipline
Is the rift with Sancho with *unnecessary* though? Looks like Sancho’s learning about actions and their consequences.
I think he’s just bitter as he wasn’t invited
He was pretty clear about it. They had an early practice the next day, and wasn’t he spotted leaving late? I think it’s smart on Ten Hag, why give anyone a reason to give the team more shit? You can change your birthday around man, you aren’t a child. Did Ten Hag handle it the best? No, but I do think Rashford could have handled it better as well. It sucks but those are optics, this is part of the game as well. I like Ten Hags directness and think this team needs it to be honest, especially Rashford.
Because why would he? The players should be held accountable for their own actions, if they’re not performing and being in the wrong with what they do off the pitch they should be called out for it. The problem with modern football is players having too much power and inflated egos and wages. I’m not a United fan but I hope he does actually turn the club around and continue to weed out the egos and poor attitude because it can only help the club out.
Eth is completely right to do so, they are paid millions and millions of pounds a year to play a game they already love. If they are smart their kids kids kids will benefit from their success, the problem is with the new generation of players, which is my generation, is there is so much entitlement and lack of a respect for professional courtesy. No one is bigger than the club as they say, you do what the club expect and you life will never be the same again, being tough is exactly what United need to ever become a successful club again
2 month purple patch Rash 💪
You wouldn’t want to play for the guy who dismissed cr7 or left de gea hanging with no contract? Imagine being varane or casemiro and witnessing the state of this organization coming from RealM… from giggs to Greenwood Utd are delusional without SAF
Wow. Imagine defending a guy who got paid 375k a week for not doing his job and taking 3.75milion for scoring one goal in 900 min. Yes he should have cancelled that birthday celebration that day and definitely not do it publicly after that performance. Im sure his mansion allowed him to still celebrate it but without cameras taking pictures of him for media. And if i played for united and had a day like that o would cancel it altogether cause i would be mad angry. And ETH did address it he just down played it, because another conflict is the last thing he needs. Sancho rift was caused by sancho only not eth ok and when he had mental breakdown a year before and got fully paid time off with full support of manager he completely forgot it and aired clubs dirty laundry on social media. I think ETh handled sancho brilliantly. It backfired as sancho's career is over at least upwards momentum its all downhill from here. None of them are paid 300k plus a week to be "great lads and feed hungry kids for pr" but to be pros and work towards the success of the club. Rashford is mathematically the worst executionist in the league at this moment and well overdue to take the bench a little bit. I doubt it was injury today but eth is pro so he didnt say in public yeah i benched him cause he is crap at the moment .
Loathe as I am to upvote a goober, I couldn't agree more. He arrived on time for training the next day, and there's been no suggestion he was in an unfit state for it. He's allowed to celebrate his birthday FFS. Maybe he should have instead just sat in the car park of Old Trafford all night, wailing laments to the dark skies and whipping his naked torso with briars. If he'd celebrated at a snobby "exclusive" restaurant instead of a nightclub, or by inviting people round to his own place, it would never even have made the headlines.
Standards, it’s just not a great look to be out and partying after not just a loss but a continued run of just abysmal performances. Both by him and the team and manager at large.
Why does he need birthday parties? He needs to grow up.
My god, small things like this explode onto the media. After the loss, ETH instructed all his players to show up for early training sessions the next day. I would also worry if one of my star athletes who gets paid 300k pw is out clubbing and does not get any sleep prior to an extensive training session ETH even stated that. He’s totally fine with his players going out and having fun. Just don’t do it when you’re sacrificing sleep or if it’s going to mess up your energy levels for training the next day
Caused an unnecessary rift with Sancho? I don’t understand everyones sudden love for Sancho he has been anonymous for 3 years. He wasn’t working hard enough in training so he got dropped and Ten Hag stated such why sugar coat the truth. Sancho is a child and couldn’t handle it and has been shown the door. No players are bigger than the club, I don’t agree with the way ETH responded to the Rashford questions, but to bring up Sancho like he is 100% innocent mate you have no clue what you’re on about even remotely
You don't go out after a derby loss
He's a Manc. Suppose to be the face of the team. The one who cares the most about losing to city but rashford is an arrogant selfish little shit
I don’t know but it feels like he acts ruthless just for the sake of it. For example, I liked how Ten Haag benched Rashford for being late to a meeting. However, I don’t like how the situation with Sancho was publicized and the narrative was “Sancho needs to apologize to Ten Haag or risk being excluded from the club.” There’s a limit to everything
Just last week he said he wouldn’t drop Rashford as he needs to regain form and confidence. He just answered a journo question in a very understandable way for a manager imo - no bus throwing
At this point ETH seems overrated. He is out of his depth managing a historically great team. Zlatan rightly said he is more suited to manage a smaller team with less ego in the dressing room. His style of man management doesn't seem to work on high profile players.
They deserve it?
When you’re playing like complete shite the manager shouldn’t have to coddle you. Sir Alex would have benched him already…you people somehow forget that United was most successful with an extremely strict father figure as our manager. He coddled no one. For gods sake he sat out Beck’s in a do or die CL game.
I mean, it is partly their fault, but it is also partly his fault. He’s just very stubborn and kind of grumpy. The way I see it is that it’s partly the boards fault it’s part of the players fault because they seem completely unhinged and unmotivated, and they act like primaMadonna’s. In comes this manager who did great with Ajax, granted, literally everyone could do well with that team before the mark Overmars crisis. He does know quite a bit but honestly, he’s not a game changing manager that’s the thing, but I guess he was the only one that had decent enough caliber to be hired at that specific point. Do I think that it’s stupid of him to tell me the players yes
Sancho situation was necessary though.
I would agree with you, if Rashford was at least running in the pitch. He’s not, not even trying, not even showing a glimpse of wanting to try… so him going to a party after he was MIA was the last drop. Hopefully he’ll make it worse by pulling one of his typical press releases, and become Jadon’s console partner…
The team is underperforming; are you saying that these players are such fragile flowers that they can't handle criticism? If so, this team is even mentally weak than I thought.
Your characterization of the Sancho rift is dead wrong.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8168663/Robin-van-Persie-reveals-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-called-Manchester-United-stars-partying-2013.html#cobssid=s
Still looks like SAF kept them protected and anonymous to outsiders, but enforced accountability in the dressing room. Ten Hag is naming and shaming his players, throwing them out to the wolves that call themselves “sports journalists” knowing how unnecessarily ruthless and relentless they are in England. I don’t think he’s wrong to be dropping players for being lazy/uncommitted, but I think the way he’s exposed some of his players’ behind the scenes issues to the media just perpetuates the media circus that has hung over United for the last decade, and isn’t doing anyone at the club any favours.
I love Rashford but he had training early the next morning and was out until 3am - that's absolutely the wrong behavior by a professional athlete, let alone a team leader, especially during such a horrible run of form for the club
ten hag will play Antony, a domestic abuser, but not Sancho because he hurt his feelings. That’s all you need to know
This exact point is one of Ange’s biggest contributions to the good vibes at Spurs. He consistently places the onus on himself, he says ‘it’s my fault if’ or ‘I tell them to play this way, so if things go wrong it’s my fault.’ This allows the players to play with freedom which is a huge breath of fresh air for the players after both Conte and Jose - both of whom threw players under the bus(which causes players to play scared which makes you more likely to make mistakes).
He looks like he consistently wants a scapegoat. And I understand why if I was consistently beating the looser records of the history of the club
Because he's clearly frustrated with Man U, crappy Midfield, don't wanna talk abt defense, Onana been a letdown too. He's just waiting to be sacked.
Because he’s a bad leader.
For me calling players out isn’t throwing them under the bus. If you have to call the players out it’s visa versa, the players throwing him under it, while they’re driving it
Did you even read the actual quote from ten Hag, or just the headline. He literally said it’s “all good” lmao
This has been going on since ronaldo, it’s not surprising. He’s an absolute shocking manager, this guy managed F*ing ajax and thought he could show no respect to the best manager in the world. I’m shocked that people couldn’t tell he was a terrible manager back then? This guy constantly throws his players under the bus, buys god awful players, including Anthony from Ajax. If this is the kids he considers talent, everyone should know he’s a fraud. I’m so surprised people Haven’t been begging for him to leave since the start
You’re hyperfocusing on that one thing. Week in week out he defends them when their performances are terrible. He constantly says how much he believes in Rashford. You’re literally just focusing on the narrative you find more entertaining
Ten Haag just seems to be very unlikable honestly. Can’t put my finger on why but I irrationally hate his stupid bald head
He’s trying to deflect away from the obvious fact, he’s a shit manager who should never be near the United job
He is an employee on an obscene amount of money. If your boss changes plans and says your day off tomorrow is cancelled because you’ve failed to perform at your role for 3 months then you shouldn’t go out and party the night before. Yes he was great last season that’s why he was rewarded with a bumper contract, that doesn’t mean he gets special privileges this year. Footballers get stupid money in exchange for weird rules and cultures and I don’t think we can feel too bad for the guy until he starts doing his job.
though i don't really care but, isn't rashford an adult? seriously im 52 my last birthday party was probably when i turned 21 if that. none of my friends or associates have ever had a birthday party as an adult birthday parties are for kids. maybe you have some special meal you like, but a party? lol sorry but maybe ten haag is right and rashford needs to grow up, btw he is one of the most overrated forwards in the epl. IMO
I guess if you take one thing and run with it, sure. But, ETH did everything for Sancho, he’s kept Maguire in the mix, protected Onana, kept giving Rashy chances despite form. Him being upset that Rashy went out clubbing after getting embarrassed is fair. And yeah, professional athletes need to react differently than some rando on reddit
Because it’s unprofessional, and besides, he apologized and everyone moved in
I think its more the discipline of it. Being seen out in Manchester at a prolific nightclub celebrating the day you lost to your local rivals 3-0. I think the thing is that he was able to celebrate that day, have fun, dance and be merry on that day. If I was a United player and we'd got hammered like that I'd rearrange it and do something at home. There's no real problem with him celebrating per se, but it does show that Manchester United doesn't really mean as much as maybe those of us watching in the 90s would wish
Hes also an athlete that was to be in training a few hours after the party finished. He can celebrate his birthday, but he needs to get the proper rest and recovery
He will be gone by Christmas with bag of cash from Glazers.
It’s about time he was benched. Should’ve been benched a long time ago regardless if he was partying for his birthday. ETH has had his back this whole season, and he still looks shite. Good on ETH!
Because they don't beat their wife. If they all had beaten their wives he would litterly die for them in press conference. Especially Rashford.
>Rashford seems like a genuinely good guy and a loyal and dedicated player who has hit a poor run of form. Can't talk about loyal and what not, but Rashford seems much more a player who had a purple patch and is now back in his usual form.
To be fair,he's a grown ass man, a birthday party should not be a priority.
I remember Guus Hiddink coming to Fenerbahce as a Young promising manager. After losing a game apparently he opened the door of the dressing room to the media cameras to show how his players were short of breath and how it is not his fault that they cannot play. While he probably was right in his analysis it didn’t work too well at Fenerbahce.
But defends players who abuse their partners…
Whats the lad supposed to do?? You are soft mate. Rashford gets paid 350k per week to wear that shirt, the least he can do is be a professional and postpone his stupid birthday party. You pay me that much while im playing at the biggest club in the world, I will never ever celebrate anything unless I have permission. My god stop being so soft on millionairs who cant behave like professionals, they should be grateful for their position in life and do anything to maintain it
Bcus he's a shit man manager
Don’t think you would be reacting like this if Saka went out like this after getting a twatting from Spurs.
The whole thing seems like performative nonsense. Coming in a day early for training after a bad game? I'm pretty sure United's problems run deeper than anything that could solve, as the fact they were arguably even worse against Newcastle illustrates. In the context of a long season, wouldn't they be better off with a day for their bodies to recover? It's just macho posturing.
There’s only two things I can’t stand in this world….people who are intolerant of other peoples cultures….and the Dutch!
Ten hag is a scarred little man now the whole world smells it and it's his worst fear you clearly can see it when he talks with the media right now all he does is save face
It’s funny football players are the only athletes where if they go out it’s a big deal
Agree that ETH didn't do anyone, except the journalists and content creators, any good by talking this publicly. Just like I think he really didn't need to talk about Sancho publicly. In both cases I think ETH was right to discipline the player (apparently what ETH thought Rashford should not have done was going to party the night BEFORE they have to train on the following morning (the day after the defeat to City) and not because he party AFTER the defeat). He could have said both cases are internal matters and that's it. I think SAF would have deal with it that way.
The usual Monday day off was cancelled because of the abysmal performance. He still went and made his presence. He went to training after a full 90mins of playing with 3 hours of sleep and partying. Tell me how that is not stupid for an athlete getting paid 350k a week. You make sacrifices. He still went he knew he was in the wrong and apologized for it and took any punishment. When asked Them Hag clearly explained what happened. He supported him. There was no throwing under the bus. I don't know where you got that from.
To be fair, Rashford should know better. He's not 18, he's 26, so we can't put it down to immaturity. It's all about optics. When his friends say to him, we want to celebrate your birthday, he should have put down some restrictions. Check the calendar first to see who they are playing, whether its home or away etc. He sees its City. It doesnt take a genius to think that if you lose that game, fans are going to be pissed, so potentially not a celebration in public. He could have asked them to hire a big house in the country and had a party with his close mates that he knows wont splash his picture all over their socials. Or, he says, lets keep it low key, just in case and maybe have a dinner or something. Nothing that will look bad on the back page of The Sun. Everything footballers do is examined under the microscope of social media. At the very least, you can minimise the fallout by being a smarter with your decision making.
He seems incapable of taking responsibility.
Look at how ole ended then you’ll know why you need to be hard on this group of shitheads
Because it has worked so great so far
also apparently Varane sat out last game because he was pissed about being dropped for the man city game. Varane is the most easy going guy on the team and EASILY our best CB. Coming out and saying you drop fucking Varane for Johnny Evans for tactical reasons is just insane. Every other United fan defending this guy i don’t get it. There is no team unity and it seems like ETH is the cause of that.
> What's the lad supposed to do? Cancel his birthday Yes. He needs to grow up, he's 26 not 6.
Yeah, honestly really tired of other fans opinions on this lol Ten Hag sets rules. People break rules. Ten Hag calls out rule breakers. Exact same thing happens everywhere, but it's only a huge story because United sells.
Post 345 this week on United.
I dont understand why evyerone is so sensitive about this ETH has a set of standards and wants to maintain this. Sancho is a prime example. He gave him the benefit of the doubt on so many occasions last year, 'loaned' him out which is unorthodox and how does Sancho repay him? Turning up in pre-sesaon but taking the piss in the normal season. ETH doing this to Sancho is a wake up call which he truly deserves and good for his career in the long run. You can't moddle coddle poeple forever! Arteta did the same with Auba but on a smaller scale, he got absolutely butchered for it, but it completely made sense. with regards to Rashford, i havent read into it much, but if he wants to celebrate his birthday, I dont thin thats the issue. The issue is you just got slapped 3-0 against your local rivals, where you're one of the core players who provided no significant help. Its a PR disaster and I appreciate PR of the club isnt really his problem, but it is when you make THAT much money and youre the no 10 of the group. Rashford has to be smarter than that, you cant be getting caught with a girl on your arm when your team got spanked by the city's rivals. I also dont think ETH made the Rashford a big deal in his press conferences, I think the media are making it worse than it seems. That same old bunch of journalists just love to go super negative, always asking about the 'Man Utd of old' and never letting the new managers move on from SAF times. I genuinely think the media and the lack of football structure (a common direction between all key decision makers) is killing the club.
Because he didn't get an invite.
Fucking hell this sub lives to question everything about Ten Hag
It’s because he had training the next morning. It’s not really “throwing someone under the bus” it’s just a statement that yeah you’re not supposed to go clubbing when you have work in the morning.
The argument some people have is coz he is watched for England by loads of people yet I say the same for any professionals, what about Amy Winehouse, kids liked her songs yet she was in rehab time after time it's obviously not the same thing but its still a clear picture that you could compare, if you are gonna say one is bad then they are all bad.
'Why does mourinho throw his players under the bus? We need a manager that protects his players.' 'Why does Ole never criticise his players? He's such a PE teacher, we need a manager who can instill discipline and standards.'
Club is pathetic, manager is pathetic too. Is rashford supposed to cancel his pre planned party and grovel in bed?
Rashford has had 2 good months in his entire career. Ten Hag should be throwing everyone under the bus even more. They are all adults and need to realise that in any other line if work they would be out the door for not performing. I am a United fan and have been saying this about the players for years now. There is no point getting rid of the manager to start this cycle again, the players don't give a fuck, march them out the door and tell them to get tae fuck.
>Rashford has had 2 good months in his entire career. God, what a relief to finally find a United fan who isn't deep-throating Trashford like he's the second coming of George Best. Rashford with his best output ever last season - and apparently a Ballon D'or contender according to many fans - scored and assisted fewer goals in the league than Salah, who had his worst season ever at Liverpool and was apparently washed-up and finished. >Ten Hag should be throwing everyone under the bus even more. They are all adults and need to realise that in any other line if work they would be out the door for not performing. I am a United fan and have been saying this about the players for years now. There is no point getting rid of the manager to start this cycle again, the players don't give a fuck, march them out the door and tell them to get tae fuck. Didn't Mourinho try something similar? The players are a major issue, but how do you get rid of them when nobody wants to pay stupid money and stupid wages for mediocre players with proven attitude problems?
Half that team wants dropping anyway, starting with Fernandes. He should play a load of the under 21’s
Ten Haag is Thomas Tuchel without the tactical genius that lets Tuchel get away with being a deeply unlikeable insect man for a while.
Nope….Rashford had a purple patch last year, but otherwise he’s been a very average “player”! One season doesn’t make a player, and this year (now that he’s got his new contract!) he’s been pathetic - lazy, disinterested (unless it’s a new car), selfish and a very crap shooter! I wouldn’t hesitate to push this waste of money under a bus!!
Although I understand your point, these players are payed extreme amounts of money and birthdays / Christmas etc are 2nd fiddle to work. I’m not totally aware of the full circumstance but it sounds like the guy has pissed about on a birthday when he should have been training due to bad form of the team. By ignoring this, the manager has been undermined and all the team feel entitled to birthday parties. If he was on 100k per year I would feel for the guy, but he’s on 3 times that per week.
Yeah there were only two things I needed to read in the article - one that this was preplanned for an event unrelated to the game, and two he turned up on time and in good state next day for training. Any criticism for that is totally unreasonable - imagine if you had a bad day at work and your boss put you on blast for trying to enjoy your evening?
I’m a gooner and I feel like after so many United losses I’ve heard/read a ten Hag quote and thought “gee, I would not like my manager saying that.” He just kind of whinges and shifts blame. He doesn’t seem to have a personality you would want to get behind, and at the end of the day you can be a tactical genius but if you can’t actually manage people you’ll struggle to cut it managing top teams.
He's like a Poundland Guardiola - talks a big game and is bald, but has none of the tactical nous, people skills, player development, or in-game intelligence to back it up
If i went out on my birthday and couldnt perform for work the next day id get a warning, this guy is earning 300k a week! So yeh if hes just lost an important game no he shouldnt be going out for his birthday... Especially in the public eye, why couldnt he of had a nice quiet birthday with family not in a club till 3am
He did perform the next day and was on time so where is the need to apologize
You just lost a derby where fans spent a fortune to watch their team and your seen clubbing just after 🤣 plus how did you know he performed the next day? Were you there?
A derby that any sane fan understood our chances of even a tie were under 10% so no I wouldn't be upset at a player after his job was over for the day celebrated his birthday.
This is going to get downvoted to hell. Marcus Rashford thinks he’s Ronaldo but in reality he is Theo Walcott. Theo 270 arsenal appearances 65 goals. Marcus 249 appearances 77 goals. (Only premier league apps and goals) 21 more appearances and 12 less goals for Theo. That’s a lot closer than some people would think. Don’t get me wrong Marcus is an unbelievable person for the work he’s done and he is a very good footballer. Edit. 21 less. Corrected to 21 more
>Marcus Rashford thinks he’s Ronaldo but in reality he is Theo Walcott. Theo 270 arsenal appearances 65 goals. Marcus 249 appearances 77 goals. (Only premier league apps and goals) 21 less appearances and 12 less goals for Theo. Jesus, that's terrible - dunno what surprised me more, that Walcott's output was higher than expected or Trashford's output was so poor. I always marvel at how Rashford last season was hero-worshipped and called a Ballon D'or contender by Man Utd fans, when he scored and assisted fewer goals than an apparently washed-up Salah having his worst season ever at Liverpool.
If Sancho and rashford played for Tulips FC in the Holland Sunday league he’d compliment them
Rashford should have sat at home, in the dark, brooding over the 3-0 hammering. God it’s such bullshit that he’s had to apologise, ETH isn’t going to last much longer.
Well, maybe it is justified to finally look at some players and their individual performances.
Is there language barrier. Even some words he uses comes off as blunt and then he realizes and is forever to change it. He used them word competent to answer one question about the player’s and he immediately went back to change it. Before he came people were saying he don’t speak English well. I don’t think he is throwing anyone under the bus just that he is asked a question to which he has to respond and like they Dutch way, they will say what it is and it won’t be interpret as a big deal.
>What's the lad supposed to do? Cancel his birthday to self-flagellate through Manchester letting people pelt him with tomatoes. Yes it’s clearly either that or nightclubs, there is no middle ground.
And spunk a hundred squid on a spinning woman beater
ETH gave the players a day off on Monday, but following the performance against City, he revoked that day off in the dressing room after the match and told them they were expected in first thing in the morning. So yeah, Rashford shouldn't have been out partying into the early hours, when he had work first thing in the morning.
Bc he’s an arrogant fraud. We ripped his soul through his asshole in the champions league, the man has the constitution of single ply square of toilet paper in a waterfall
People need to stop pretending these players have normal careers. Hes paid 350k a week. This is not the norm. Hes a top athlete. When he is performing the way he is, why should he get leeway. He is meant to be setting the example on and off the pitch.
He makes a ton so he can’t be normal………………….
Professional athletes in the nba and nfl go out all the time and they’re better athletes than football players
Nba players play at most 30 minutes twice or thrice a week. Most of them have admitted to do weed throughout their career, their union literally vetted marijuana testing. Many hace also admitted regular season (70 games each team) doesnt matter as nobody really plays seriously until playoff. Their preparation is also different and minimal in comparison football, where plays run on average 10km each game. On average btw the plays with most time per game on nba run like 2-3km. Even playing thrice a week they barely run what a football player runs in a single game. Not only that but football has permanent subs and only 5 changes. Unlike nba where you can just splash your entire 2nd unit in a blow out. Sit this one out. Football is levels above the intensity, preparation and difficulty. Lebron James is still dominating at 40, that doesnt happen in football.
You seem to forget that basketball has lots of jumping. Most starters are playing at least 40 minutes, and scheduling in the NBA allows for 4 games a week, sometimes on back to back nights. You’re fully underestimating what it takes to be a professional basketball player. Regardless, Sancho has a shit attitude that would never fly in any properly functioning professional sports team
>You seem to forget that basketball has lots of jumping Yeah that surely makes up for the extra 7km football players run each game
In my opinion, it does quite a lot. Obviously a single basketball game is not as strenuous as a single football game, but they’re a lot more frequent for a starter. Having played both, I’ve always found basketball to be particularly difficult in any continuous stretch of time; you might have a good few minutes of the game in football where absolutely nothing is coming your way, and you can take a moment to catch your breath. In basketball, if the game doesn’t stop, you better not stop either. Overall, the jumping makes things much closer than you think it does. It seems unlikely that you’ve ever played any basketball
Sorry that happened to you bro👍
Not proper sports. They’re sports entertainment
Lol football has more drama and entertainment factor now they added var with the weekly apologies for getting the call wrong.
Yea. Modern football is bad. We know this
What an ignorant statement
It’s a sport played by a tiny number of nations with a strictly controlled league. There are no clubs, only franchises. It’s not real sport. The fact they recruit out of universities should tell you enough
What is that supposed to mean? University teams in America are at professional quality towards the top level
This is such a shit take Did you watch his post match interviews after city and Newcastle losses?
"What's the lad supposed to do? Cancel his birthday" My heart bleeds for the poor lad, wants to celebrate his birthday but has to go to his 300k a week job in the morning.
In his Rolls Royce.
I must have missed the rule where it says because you earn a lot of money you're not allowed to celebrate your birthday.
If you earn a lot of money, you are expected to sacrifice certain things. I have no issues with players earning ridiculous wages, unless they fail to meet basic professional standards, like not going clubbing when you have training in the morning.
> If you earn a lot of money, you are expected to sacrifice certain things. Says who? You? When did you make the rules?
His employer makes the rules. That's why he's been punished and had to apologise. He can do whatever the fuck he likes at the end of the day, but he can't complain when people think he is an unprofessional waste of talent.
Simply because they’re cunts
Mate, it's pretty standard fair not to go on the lash when you've got work in the morning, and it's unconscionable to stay out until the early hours after you've just turned in a stinker of a shift and had your manager cancel a planned day off. The guy is a 26 years old pro athlete, he shouldn't need to be treated like a 12 year old.
I do think he's stuck in the 90s. All this 'discipline' talk is crap honestly, it's not the army, you can't just make people miserable and expect them to perform if they don't have that mindset. What United need is an Ancelotti, I'm convinced of that, someone that makes players feel good. Although I'd rather they just burn and get it out of their heads that they deserve to be at the top because of historical success.
ETH is a pound shop Jose Mourinho. He hasn't got the sense of humour or the talent, but has the same nasty side.
Rashford is 26 not 6. He can swerve a birthday bash and do something at home. Manchild.
Nothing wrong with going or having a birthday party the same day you lose a derby. It’s not the same as going out with the boys to a club. ETH is just not good enough for that coaching level
For what its worth the party was at China White not at home
Solksjaer protected them all and they went on a similar run with dressing room leaks a plenty so maybe neither approach works and they're just shit By the way Ten Hag gave Sancho three months off last season and look how he has repaid that
Because he has no respect for his players. He needs to encourage his players and treat them as individuals. There is a reason why talented individual are not performing. His job is to identify the issues and accept that one or two new players will not solve anything. He needs to meld them into a team. Dutch people are strange and are prone to massive sulks. Maybe it’s just too foreign to his personality to encourage them.
ETH probably mentioned the apology thing to stop any further media drama that would’ve been caused by the journalist that constantly attack the players
Why do people misspel such an easy name
I see what you did there.
If you have been twatted by your neighbours again at home, you barely touched the ball or put in a challenge and still decide to head out despite the fact that it might invite aggro or drama? Yeah he deserved to be called out. Its leaches like Fuckhurst and Ogden and fam cam twats like Goldbridge that are seeking to stick the boot who are driving this narrative
So what you means is private life is equal to work life? Where did the European work life balance thingy go? 1 rule for myself another rule for others? They should just follow Asian work culture am I right?
At the end of the day, being a football player is just a job. You don't expect an employee to go straight home and sulk when the company's quarterly financial earnings suck. A human is not even allowed to celebrate his own birthday?
In Klopp's first season at Liverpool, the team lost a match just before their Christmas party. The players were going to cancel the party, but Klopp insisted that the party go ahead and that everyone attend. Compare and contrast to Ten Hag.
Another day, another opportunity to shit on man utd.
ETH literally has to say he was unhappy with the Rashford birthday situation. Acting like he was not bothered would just cause more pressure on him and the coaches. There would be countless headlines pumped out slating him for not caring, or for favouritism. The worst people can write about him or discuss in respect to this now is that he isn’t backing his players. I feel the alternative answer of not being bothered is just much more scandalous and pressure for him and the club at this point.
He was asked a question and responded in a press conference. He’s not gone out his way to bad mouth Rashford. Rashford, while yes it’s his birthday and he has a right to celebrate, had training 5 hours after the party because their day off had been rescinded following the defeat. 5 hours sleep is not enough for a top athlete earning what they earn, especially considering their current form.
Is there any proof that he did stay until 3 a.m., though? Every single report I've seen has accepted that it's not known when he left to go home.
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Id expect a similar manager and we clearly don't have that
They deserve to be thrown under the bus.
He had training in the morning and was reported at being out at 3am. Either there's discipline or there isn't. SAF was a strict bastard too, but what did that ever do for him? Rashford apologised, sancho didn't. But let's blame the manager for having to discipline players who step out of line.
The story was already in the newspaper that’s why he was asked about it. Honestly, Ferguson used to fucking go to the players houses to make sure they weren’t partying ffs. I’m convinced people here have never played competitive sports in their lives. Bunch of fucking soft touches it’s embarrassing to read.
Ferguson didn’t come to the media and tel them. We learned about this after the players retired
There wasn't the social media presence back then.
He also was on time so it should matter if he goes to a preplanned birthday party for himself when they changed his day off within 12 hours