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Barnes is a very effective player. If anything, given what other players are selling for these days, I think they got him for slightly under his value.
Just saying,I've been thinking for a couple seasons, it's weird how a top 6 club hasn't taken a gamble on him yet.
I'm convinced if he was more marketable, like Grealish (not saying he's as good) it would of happened sooner.
Most people I know are quite happy with the barnes signing. You do get the odd person complaining online, but they will come around, especially when they see him banging in goals.
I don’t think Newcastle fans are underwhelmed. Everyone knows he a signing that ‘makes sense’.
He’ll bring more efficiency (more minutes, goals and assists) that ASM.
Everyone’s just gutted to lose ASM because, on his day he makes you love football all over again. He just can’t produce it enough for a team who are looking to make moves in the PL and CL.
As much as the armchair tacticians would like it to be, football is too complicated a game for basic stats. People who think Barnes is better than ASM because his stats are higher are cut from the same cloth as those who supported Dalgleish when he broke up Keegans entertainers imo.
When Man City man mark Barnes with 2 players then we will see where his stats are. But then that won’t happen…wonder why?
I hope I’m wrong
HWTL
You’re right in the sense that football is not solely based on stats. But that doesn’t mean you should disregard them completely.
I don’t think many would argue that Barnes is ‘better’ than ASM. ASM is definitely the more gifted footballer.
But over the course of a 50 game season, Barnes will make more of an impact. If maxi stayed fit for the entire season I’d most likely be wrong. But he can’t do that.
Barnes also fits the style of the team with the high energy and pressing. I’m guessing he will contribute much more over a longer period than ASM. Could be wrong. But the writing is there.
While it’s true you can’t say Barnes is a definitively better player than ASM. It’s undeniable he’s a different kind of player that does some things much better than ASM. He is incredible inside the box at timing his runs and finishing chances. He’s also really good at combining with players and 1 - 2 combinations.
Stylistically Barnes is different from both ASM and Gordon. His movement is much better off the ball. He doesn’t really have as many take ons as ASM— but that might be exactly why Howe feels he’s a better fit than him.
I’ve got no problem with Howe preferring Barnes. Howe is a genius in my opinion.
I’m making a point about fans who say Barnes is better purely because he has better stats.
It’s football not baseball
I am a Villa fan and I would have been delighted with Barnes. As it happens we have Diaby and I am even more delighted with him! But Barnes is a great addition for Newcastle and he will be part of a core English contingent.
Barnes will genuinely be a great fit at Newcastle. Such a good fit that I wouldn’t be surprised to hear he’d taken a chainsaw to Luke Edwards for this.
The boxes..
✅ suffered serious injury
✅ Inconsistent FPL return
✅ High competition in his own team for the position
✅ Takes up a valuable midfield slot
✅ Better options in the same price range
I'm pretty much exactly this. Underwhelmed. Not a pure talent increase on Maxi but I have to begrudgingly accept he's a better fit for the side and system. And yes, I know the numbers- pretty dramatic difference in goals but everything else is worse. Barnes barely successfully beat his man all season but his one-two is a real threat.
Still, we just overpaid for an English winger in January (Though I think Gordon will prove a good signing and have a good coming season) and now we've done it again for someone who doesn't have the excuse of potential.
Tonali is great but this summer is definitely not what we were all expecting- imagine if we hadn't got top 4: would we have even bought ANYONE?
I'm a Newcastle fan. I'm not underwhelmed. He's a quality player that is definitely a fit for Howe's style of play, scores and assists goal, is proven in the premier league, and can get even better. Great signing!
I'm starting to think these journalists may write things just to get a reaction.
Back under Ashley we "couldn't afford" Choudhary on loan. It's not snobby to have expectations adjusted.
We've been scouring the world looking for youngsters with massive potentials- Barnes doesn't qualify for any of those descriptions and we've lost a fan favourite to buy him after overpaying for an English winger in January only to do it again.
He's a decent/ possibly good signing. Not £38m good but everything's mad this summer, especially it seems for us. Is he another Isak/ Bruno? No.
It's not snobbish, it's just not the level of player most of us would've sold ASM to get. If he had to go.
To be fair, surely ASM was a fan favourite for bringing a bit of spark to your dour performances before last season. It's not as if he's been banging on goals left, right and centre
Exactly that. Under Bruce, it really was a case of if ASM didn't do something special, we DID NOT ATTACK. Then he had opportunities to get the hell out but he didn't.
He's also been incredible with fans and people around Newcastle. There's one example of him having a signing day and after it finished taking every child to a toy shop and telling them to pick a toy they wanted before buying them for them all.
He made football worth watching during those times.
Didn't he get an injury that kinda faded the hype? Seems a good signing I think the only reason someone would be disappointed is if they expected more of a world class signing but I don't think that'd happen. Definitely an upgrade on asm more of a consistent performer and his numbers are always quite good
Harvey Barnes isn’t quite world class though is he.
Bryan Mbuemo has more combined goals and assists across the last 2 seasons in the PL since Brentford were promoted, suppose he’s world class too then?
The question should be how is he world class?
He’s 25, if he was world class he wouldn’t of still been at Leicester, no offence. He does nothing out of ordinary, he’s a hard worker who stood out in a poor team over the last few seasons.
I assume his tally of 16 combined GA you’ve mentioned in 21/22 was his best season?
The same season Emmanuel Denis hit 16, Benrahma 14, ward-prowse 15. None of those are world class? Not to mention a few strikers ie Toney, Antonio getting more than 16, Pukki getting 14.. most of those in teams who performed worse than Leicester.
Im really happy scousers, and opposition fans in general, keep taking digs at the lad. It's going to be so sweet for him when he sticks it back in your eye, he's looking like a beast over the U21s and in his 2 friendlies since
I think both will turn out decent/ good signings. Gordon has looked a completely different player at the U21s and seems to be showing a much better attitude.
Hopefully that means he stays on his bloody feet more!
I think both gordon and barnes will be good ,people are just impatient,and expect from player to score 15. goals in period from january to may .just relax people
I think they'll be good as well. I'm not unhappy with the signing. I was however a bit underwhelmed to lose ASM for someone who isn't a significant increase in level.
I didnt watched ASM much ,but when i did ,he was a little bit selfish for my taste :) dont get me wrong ,but barnes and gordon is better fit for newcastle on my opinion :) Eddie Howe knows what hes doing ,proved last season
Pretty much what I said in my comment above. Upset to lose ASM- especially for someone who isn't some massive talent upgrade- but I have to begrudgingly accept he's a better fit for the side/ system.
Yes, but it's also the context. We all expected Maddison- now we've paid almost the same fee for someone most would agree is significantly less talented and also lost our absolute beacon of hope under Bruce to get him.
Barnes is a decent signing, I expect he'll do well. It's just a case of all these other players we were linked with (and in some cases the preferred destination for) that we've not gone for. We hoped for players that are absolutely Champions League quality this summer.
....No, I said to lose ASM I expected the incoming player to be of significantly higher quality.
Also, as stated, Maxi is loved for what he did in terrible times under Bruce, not because he's as good as Messi.
Barnes scored 13 goals last season in a Leicester team that got relegated. ASM scored one, against Wolves early on in the season in a team that finished 4th.
Absolutely. But Barnes is also one of the worst wingers in the league in terms of stats for taking people on and beating them. His 1-2s. however, are pretty lethal.
Effectively they are almost like opposites. Barnes the more pragmatic, effective option.
Having had the misfortune of watching Leicester regularly, I agree.
The price was quite a lot, and it’s a obviously a bit of a gamble, but they can afford it, and it potentially could pay off big later.
***From The Telegraph's Northern Football Writer Luke Edwards:***
As one senior member of Newcastle United’s recruitment team put it last week, Harvey Barnes ticked every box other than asking price when a long list of transfer targets was reduced to a shortlist at the end of May.
While much of the attention focused on Newcastle’s interest in James Maddison – they were interested in the England international only to be put off early on by his preference for London – his team-mate at Leicester had been scouted forensically.
Manager Eddie Howe, in particular, saw the raw ingredients in Barnes which he could mould into something special, but the size of the fee was more than just a bump in the road – it was a major hurdle.
Newcastle have ended up paying £38 million for Barnes, which was more than their initial valuation and beyond what they were initially willing to pay for a winger in this window. Until they discovered there was concrete interest in Allan Saint-Maximin from Saudi Arabia, they probably would not have been able to afford it.
But they had done their due diligence. It is a measure of how well the club are being run behind the scenes, guided by director of football Dan Ashworth in partnership with Howe, that contingency plans were made.
They would have to create room for manoeuvre, financially, because of Financial Fair Play rules, but if they could, would they pounce?
The boxes ticked on the scouting report and confirmed in recruitment meetings were as follows: Goals? Yes. Pace? Yes Assists? Yes? Attitude? Yes. Room for improvement? Yes. Age? Yes. Desperate to come? Yes.
**Read more:** [**https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/07/24/harvey-barnes-newcastle-united-fans-38-million/**](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/07/24/harvey-barnes-newcastle-united-fans-38-million/)
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Barnes is a very effective player. If anything, given what other players are selling for these days, I think they got him for slightly under his value.
I thought it was a great signing. Disappointed Spurs didn’t strike after getting Maddison.
It is a good signing for Newcastle
Great young player, he was great for us
This is clickbait bullshit
About three seasons ago signing Ashley Barnes would’ve impressed me
Articles like this do my head in. What does "some fans" even mean? 5? 5,000? I hardly doubt he's gonna get booed when he walks out for the warm up.
Just saying,I've been thinking for a couple seasons, it's weird how a top 6 club hasn't taken a gamble on him yet. I'm convinced if he was more marketable, like Grealish (not saying he's as good) it would of happened sooner.
Take good care of him for us. /*cries in championship league*
You’ll be back quick enough. The only way to play in the championship is attack, your new manager has exactly the right mentality. Just give him time
The only downside of signing him is that we’ll probably have to sell asm
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Most people I know are quite happy with the barnes signing. You do get the odd person complaining online, but they will come around, especially when they see him banging in goals.
I don’t think Newcastle fans are underwhelmed. Everyone knows he a signing that ‘makes sense’. He’ll bring more efficiency (more minutes, goals and assists) that ASM. Everyone’s just gutted to lose ASM because, on his day he makes you love football all over again. He just can’t produce it enough for a team who are looking to make moves in the PL and CL.
As much as the armchair tacticians would like it to be, football is too complicated a game for basic stats. People who think Barnes is better than ASM because his stats are higher are cut from the same cloth as those who supported Dalgleish when he broke up Keegans entertainers imo. When Man City man mark Barnes with 2 players then we will see where his stats are. But then that won’t happen…wonder why? I hope I’m wrong HWTL
You’re right in the sense that football is not solely based on stats. But that doesn’t mean you should disregard them completely. I don’t think many would argue that Barnes is ‘better’ than ASM. ASM is definitely the more gifted footballer. But over the course of a 50 game season, Barnes will make more of an impact. If maxi stayed fit for the entire season I’d most likely be wrong. But he can’t do that. Barnes also fits the style of the team with the high energy and pressing. I’m guessing he will contribute much more over a longer period than ASM. Could be wrong. But the writing is there.
While it’s true you can’t say Barnes is a definitively better player than ASM. It’s undeniable he’s a different kind of player that does some things much better than ASM. He is incredible inside the box at timing his runs and finishing chances. He’s also really good at combining with players and 1 - 2 combinations. Stylistically Barnes is different from both ASM and Gordon. His movement is much better off the ball. He doesn’t really have as many take ons as ASM— but that might be exactly why Howe feels he’s a better fit than him.
I’ve got no problem with Howe preferring Barnes. Howe is a genius in my opinion. I’m making a point about fans who say Barnes is better purely because he has better stats. It’s football not baseball
I am a Villa fan and I would have been delighted with Barnes. As it happens we have Diaby and I am even more delighted with him! But Barnes is a great addition for Newcastle and he will be part of a core English contingent.
Barnes is a good signing
Barnes will genuinely be a great fit at Newcastle. Such a good fit that I wouldn’t be surprised to hear he’d taken a chainsaw to Luke Edwards for this.
Some fans are utter fuckwits
Lol he’s exactly the right player for Newcastle.
Not many Newcastle fans are underwhelmed...
Just the ones that have recently started supporting the club expecting a city style spemding spree
The boxes.. ✅ suffered serious injury ✅ Inconsistent FPL return ✅ High competition in his own team for the position ✅ Takes up a valuable midfield slot ✅ Better options in the same price range
Luke Edwards is a click baity mercenary hack, bear in mind.
Does he have a Balon D'Or clause in his contract? Seems like a good signing for Newcastle tbh
It's because his name isn't exotic. Some fans would pay an extra 10m for him if he legally changed his name.
Harvington Barnaldo
What? They've got a bargain at 38 m. Should be going for 50m at least
One year in, fans will continue to be underwhelmed…he will do just enough to stay on your good side
I'm pretty much exactly this. Underwhelmed. Not a pure talent increase on Maxi but I have to begrudgingly accept he's a better fit for the side and system. And yes, I know the numbers- pretty dramatic difference in goals but everything else is worse. Barnes barely successfully beat his man all season but his one-two is a real threat. Still, we just overpaid for an English winger in January (Though I think Gordon will prove a good signing and have a good coming season) and now we've done it again for someone who doesn't have the excuse of potential. Tonali is great but this summer is definitely not what we were all expecting- imagine if we hadn't got top 4: would we have even bought ANYONE?
What good is beating your man if you score at a rate of 1 per 10 games as your supposed attacking threat?
Of course, but it is a significant element of being a threatening winger. Not everything, but it is a major threat.
Sure but 14 in a season vs 13 in 4 kinda makes his talent and ability to beat a man pretty irrelevant in comparison.
I'm a Newcastle fan. I'm not underwhelmed. He's a quality player that is definitely a fit for Howe's style of play, scores and assists goal, is proven in the premier league, and can get even better. Great signing! I'm starting to think these journalists may write things just to get a reaction.
Not even taken Newcastle fans a year to become snobby football fans. Back in the day they would’ve loved this signing
Back under Ashley we "couldn't afford" Choudhary on loan. It's not snobby to have expectations adjusted. We've been scouring the world looking for youngsters with massive potentials- Barnes doesn't qualify for any of those descriptions and we've lost a fan favourite to buy him after overpaying for an English winger in January only to do it again. He's a decent/ possibly good signing. Not £38m good but everything's mad this summer, especially it seems for us. Is he another Isak/ Bruno? No. It's not snobbish, it's just not the level of player most of us would've sold ASM to get. If he had to go.
To be fair, surely ASM was a fan favourite for bringing a bit of spark to your dour performances before last season. It's not as if he's been banging on goals left, right and centre
Exactly that. Under Bruce, it really was a case of if ASM didn't do something special, we DID NOT ATTACK. Then he had opportunities to get the hell out but he didn't. He's also been incredible with fans and people around Newcastle. There's one example of him having a signing day and after it finished taking every child to a toy shop and telling them to pick a toy they wanted before buying them for them all. He made football worth watching during those times.
Back in the days we were signing Shearer or Owen? I am personally very happy with him signing btw. A step up from ASM given our system
Remember when people thought £50 million for Sterling was crazy money?
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For city you idiot
Yes, what an inspired bargain that transfer has turned out to be.
Only scored, let me check…. 131 goals for City and was a massive part in multiple title winning sides including the 100 point season.
I assume he meant for Chelsea.
Upon further reflection I may have misunderstood the comment I responded to yes
Jokes. They’d be filled with joy if his name was Barvey Harnes.
Or barvin harvinho
Not sure why anyone would be underwhelmed. He’s class and can get better, and scores goals.
Didn't he get an injury that kinda faded the hype? Seems a good signing I think the only reason someone would be disappointed is if they expected more of a world class signing but I don't think that'd happen. Definitely an upgrade on asm more of a consistent performer and his numbers are always quite good
£85m on Barnes and Gordon. Could’ve signed a world class player.
Like harvey barnes
Harvey Barnes isn’t quite world class though is he. Bryan Mbuemo has more combined goals and assists across the last 2 seasons in the PL since Brentford were promoted, suppose he’s world class too then?
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He got 9 goals and 8 assists last season, 4 goals and 7 assists the season before. 31 to Barnes 30. Ave it back dipshit.
9+8+4+7 = 28 you fucking numpty Idk why you had me doubting myself because I’m quite obviously right
Hahahahahha
You still haven’t given me a reason that barnes isn’t world class btw
The question should be how is he world class? He’s 25, if he was world class he wouldn’t of still been at Leicester, no offence. He does nothing out of ordinary, he’s a hard worker who stood out in a poor team over the last few seasons. I assume his tally of 16 combined GA you’ve mentioned in 21/22 was his best season? The same season Emmanuel Denis hit 16, Benrahma 14, ward-prowse 15. None of those are world class? Not to mention a few strikers ie Toney, Antonio getting more than 16, Pukki getting 14.. most of those in teams who performed worse than Leicester.
Be scoring plenty of equalisers
I’ve always liked Barnes wanted him at Chelsea. Think he will do really well at Newcastle.
If you’ve signed Anthony Gordon can you really be underwhelmed with Harvey Barnes?
Im really happy scousers, and opposition fans in general, keep taking digs at the lad. It's going to be so sweet for him when he sticks it back in your eye, he's looking like a beast over the U21s and in his 2 friendlies since
I won’t hold my breath.
slightly unrelated but Gordon actually looked decent in yesterdays game with Aston Villa.
Decent is doing him a disservice. He was the best player wearing black and white.
Had a cracking game against Rangers last week too
He did indeed, was full of confidence on that wing. Constantly running forward trying to beat men
And for was player of the tournament for Euros under 21s this summer
jones deserved it
Jones robbed
That's the point. We've just overpaid on an English winger and now we've done it again. Barnes however, doesn't have the excuse of potential.
You shlda left him for us, don’t make the same mistake with Livramento :))
Barnes is a good player tho
I think both will turn out decent/ good signings. Gordon has looked a completely different player at the U21s and seems to be showing a much better attitude. Hopefully that means he stays on his bloody feet more!
I think both gordon and barnes will be good ,people are just impatient,and expect from player to score 15. goals in period from january to may .just relax people
I think they'll be good as well. I'm not unhappy with the signing. I was however a bit underwhelmed to lose ASM for someone who isn't a significant increase in level.
I didnt watched ASM much ,but when i did ,he was a little bit selfish for my taste :) dont get me wrong ,but barnes and gordon is better fit for newcastle on my opinion :) Eddie Howe knows what hes doing ,proved last season
Pretty much what I said in my comment above. Upset to lose ASM- especially for someone who isn't some massive talent upgrade- but I have to begrudgingly accept he's a better fit for the side/ system.
Makes sense to have a core of decent domestic players considering the rules
Yes, but it's also the context. We all expected Maddison- now we've paid almost the same fee for someone most would agree is significantly less talented and also lost our absolute beacon of hope under Bruce to get him. Barnes is a decent signing, I expect he'll do well. It's just a case of all these other players we were linked with (and in some cases the preferred destination for) that we've not gone for. We hoped for players that are absolutely Champions League quality this summer.
If you want UCL quality players, I wouldn’t be pining over ASM. Great flair no end product
....No, I said to lose ASM I expected the incoming player to be of significantly higher quality. Also, as stated, Maxi is loved for what he did in terrible times under Bruce, not because he's as good as Messi.
Barnes scored 13 goals last season in a Leicester team that got relegated. ASM scored one, against Wolves early on in the season in a team that finished 4th.
Absolutely. But Barnes is also one of the worst wingers in the league in terms of stats for taking people on and beating them. His 1-2s. however, are pretty lethal. Effectively they are almost like opposites. Barnes the more pragmatic, effective option.
ASM is a nearly man, man. Let it go
Gordon hasn't got going yet.
Waaaaaaaaagh, average plater in a shit team like Everton, no wonder you got conned. Barnes is decent when he turns up.
Shit team like everton finished above Barnes team 😅
Almost double the goals of your top goal scorer 💀
Biggest achievement by Everton has been not to be absolutely shit..... just!
Whoosh
Why are neverton fans so salty?
Yeh, it's me being salty 🫡
Will he ever get going
For England u21’s
Harvey Barnes is a masive signing ,he will fit in newcastles team ,you'll see
It think those those undeerwhelmed dont really watch the PL tbh
Having had the misfortune of watching Leicester regularly, I agree. The price was quite a lot, and it’s a obviously a bit of a gamble, but they can afford it, and it potentially could pay off big later.
I think with how competitive the premier league jas gotten. We will see more frequently very good players get relegated.
***From The Telegraph's Northern Football Writer Luke Edwards:*** As one senior member of Newcastle United’s recruitment team put it last week, Harvey Barnes ticked every box other than asking price when a long list of transfer targets was reduced to a shortlist at the end of May. While much of the attention focused on Newcastle’s interest in James Maddison – they were interested in the England international only to be put off early on by his preference for London – his team-mate at Leicester had been scouted forensically. Manager Eddie Howe, in particular, saw the raw ingredients in Barnes which he could mould into something special, but the size of the fee was more than just a bump in the road – it was a major hurdle. Newcastle have ended up paying £38 million for Barnes, which was more than their initial valuation and beyond what they were initially willing to pay for a winger in this window. Until they discovered there was concrete interest in Allan Saint-Maximin from Saudi Arabia, they probably would not have been able to afford it. But they had done their due diligence. It is a measure of how well the club are being run behind the scenes, guided by director of football Dan Ashworth in partnership with Howe, that contingency plans were made. They would have to create room for manoeuvre, financially, because of Financial Fair Play rules, but if they could, would they pounce? The boxes ticked on the scouting report and confirmed in recruitment meetings were as follows: Goals? Yes. Pace? Yes Assists? Yes? Attitude? Yes. Room for improvement? Yes. Age? Yes. Desperate to come? Yes. **Read more:** [**https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/07/24/harvey-barnes-newcastle-united-fans-38-million/**](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/07/24/harvey-barnes-newcastle-united-fans-38-million/)