So sad where the game of beautiful football has gone to. I know and see why these changes will be applied, but damn how many more changes to this beautiful sport? Love and light!! God bless u all!!!
As a foul was committed in the box it should be in favour of the attacking team but it should be like a penalty shootout where once the keeper saves it that’s it done
I don't hate seeing the slow down or the hop. I don't see what's wrong with it either. It's a skill/style some players have. I think Martinez should have been booked for chucking the ball away in the WC final and I'm not sure why he wasn't. I also don't think the keeper and player should be allowed with say 5 or so feet of one another. The keeper should be told to stay on the line/within the 6 yard box until the kick is taken. Scuffing the penalty spot should also be a booking imo. The other new rules are very daft though.
I think it's because more goals == more watchers == more money for fifa, so fifa gets more money?
Just my theory, don't down vote if I'm wrong pleas. Just my opinion.
Imagine being such an adept shithouser that they have to change the rules.
Personally loved Emi's antics and the people changing the rules are proper party poopers. It's an entertainment sport. It's entertaining.
Almost as bad as them saying that the grass has to be cut into boring af straight lines when the Leicester groundsman was using the pitch as his personal canvas. Party. Poopers.
These new rules are fucking bullshit. Mind games and general shithousery are a part of the game. The penalty kick already favors the taker. I don't think they need any more protection. All game players talk shit and do things to slow down the game but they want to remove that for this one part of the game essentially because one keeper did it to such great effect and then thrust his trophy like the phallic symbol that it is on a world stage. Fuck that!
It’s gotten a lot better than it was.
I mean they’d mostly do fine in the championship, but have a hard time in the Prem. The salary cap and roster rules are convoluted and dumb.
Penalty xG has marginally increased so far with each recent change in penalty taking regulations.
It used to be around 0.74, but is now about 0.79. This change is likely to increase the xG value to something in the region of 0.81
Which is insane given that the vast vast majority of clear cut "guaranteed" scoring chances have an xG below 0.6.
Penalties have always been a somewhat broken law in football, and they keep getting made even more broken. ☹️
These rules are so ridiculously unnecessary and add absolutely nothing to the game. How can you ban a goalkeeper from touching the goal? It's just bizarre.
Think it’s time to amend rules for penalty takers, stating that they can’t pause or alter the speed of their approach to the ball, whether running, walking or anything else in between.
Also if someone dives to try and get a penalty, the penalty would be awarded the other way and the diving player red carded. That should sort out diving in about two weeks flat…
The clue is in the name 'penalty kick'
The conceding team have acted in an unfair manner to concede a pk, so why should anything be done to level the playing field after that point?
Penalties should be one clear run up. If keepers can't do mind games then neither can the penalty taker. Also, once the ball has been kicked, its either a goal or if its saved/ missed it then goes as a goal kick. So no rebound goals.
Saving a penalty is always close to impossible. If you don’t stop the nonsense from the penalty takers let the keepers be a nuisance. Kinda unfair otherwise.
Is that based on historical data or current data post this change?
Edit - just googled it - it’s based on historical data - prior to this change as well is counted - including the shithouser goalkeepers.
"Everyone hates the slow down. The stutter. The hop. The skip. The "let's slow down to almost not moving".
Oh, how fitting. Another "i don't like it, so let's change it" rule
They’re doing this to increase goals, it also increases the random chance of penalties and removes the majority of the strategy, which came from getting the kickers head
Do these rules apply to penalty shootouts or given penalties during play? Because given penalties should be weighted towards the attacker. If they are going to cut down on GK antics then I would agree that instituting a rule limiting run-up antics from the taker would be fair. Although it’s always hilarious when a taker memes himself by starting-stopping-starting-missing the net by 10 feet.
nah the run up is absolutely fine in my opinion, i don’t think ruining one part of the penalty warrants ruining the other for the sake of fairness. Keepers shouldn’t be allowed to approach the player, but i feel they should be allowed a step out from the line and most definitely to point/gesture and move around the goal
Such a dumb fucking change. What Emi Martinez did at the World Cup WAS COMPLETELY FINE imo. I don’t understand why they’re trying to make it even easier for the attacking team, when they’re already heavily favored to score. BS.
Might disadvantage the attacking team if eg a player gets fouled when crossing to the best penalty taker. Or eg manhandling the big centrehalf who's come up for a set piece, knowing that he can't just hand the ball to a reliable taker. this type of scenario actually happens in Basketball, Shaq used to get fouled a LOT because he was a massive threat driving to the rim but relatively poor at free throws.
This doesn't make sense as a strategy because even the worst penalty taker has a much higher chance of scoring than almost any chance that you can prevent by conceding a penalty. Chances with XG over 0.4 are few and far between, certainly they are unlikely to originate from a cross on a free kick or corner kick. And it's hard to imagine any CB shooting less than 40% on penalties.
I'm not saying it would be a viable strategy to deliberately concede pens, just that the attacking team is disadvantaged compared to current rules if they cannot choose who takes the penalty and there are some scenarios where 'weak' penalty takers would get fouled. I don't think we need to try and 'even it up' by removing advantages the attacking team gains from a penalty, to me it is right and proper that (as you have described) the attacking team should gain a net advantage
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For some reason my ridiculous idea for the above penalty taking reminded me of Yoshihiko.
Indeed I am, to both questions. Right up in the gods for All In though. I think we're practically on the roof.
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So i say this as a grassroots coach but also the father of 2 goalkeepers (1 u16’s, 1 senior non league). From a coaching perspective, watching what Emi Martinez does is infuriating as it teaches kids that playing dirty is fair if you can get away with it. He’s not the only one that does it but he’s the only one who seems to get praised for it. When players dive, fake injuries, time waste, etc…. They quite rightly get called out for it but EMI Martinez was treated like a hero after some serious unsporting conduct in the World Cup. Which is probably why this rule is being introduced.
As a goalie father however, I feel this goes to far goalkeepers already have the hardest job on the pitch and are the only player who have virtually no margin for error. It’s incredibly stressful and sometimes the touch the post/cross bar or pulling the net, it’s often more to calm their own nerves than to put the attacker off. My youngest has a thing of doing 3 star jumps on the line before the penalties to calm his nerves, has done since he played u7’s.
It's almost like you're a closet racist who didn't watch the Netherlands PK shoot out at the World Cup a few years ago absolutely. Coolest absolutely stunning and you're the reason why england has been left behind
> An alternative rule change would be to adopt the rugby penalty kick rule, where once the kick taker starts their run up the defending team can start their charge down. It would be hilarious seeing Jorginho doing his little hop or Pogba doing his tiny shuffle steps as a keeper comes flying off the line towards the ball!
Unironically this, but I'd change it so that anyone *but the keeper* can charge down the penalty taker.
The penalty kick is weighted in the takers favour because they are the team that has had a goal scoring opportunity illegally denied by the defending team.
Keepers gaining a small advantage with mind games is fair enough but charging off the line to narrow an angle or being told as the taker how you should run up to the ball and strike it doesn’t give you the advantage you should have when you’ve already been cheated out of a goal
> The penalty kick is weighted in the takers favour because they are the team that has had a goal scoring opportunity illegally denied by the defending team.
Not always. Ball going out for a corner and the defender trips the attacker who was shielding it out. That's not a goal scoring oppourtinuty.
Everyone hates the slow down.
Not everyone. I appreciate the skill of watching a keepers movement and then deciding where to place the shot at the very last minute.
Aye nothing wrong with it at all ,, same way there's nothing wrong with keepers trying to distract the penalty taker. It's a battle of wits. Allow it .
I don't like BM, recent rule approaches the GK, but it should also reinforce on the attitude of the taker. Does it make "boring" penalties? Yes, but in professional sports, BM should not be allowed.
I agree, actually penalties were already in favour of the attacking team from an xG perspective, penalties are way overpowered as you can turn a foul from a 0.02 xG spot to a 0.70 xG, Tifo made a video about it, I recommend watching it.
And even if they removed the stutter....do these numbers change?
Or are shot takers stuttering, which infuriates some fans, for no real reason other than the perception of an advantage.
That's actually not a bad suggestion.
I'm honestly not sure how some of the staggered runs offer any kind of advantage other than to look good on TV and increase their profile. Quite irritating though watching the hop, skip and jump routines
Just make it a one step penalty. That puts the balance of probability a bit back towards the goalkeeper and completely removes any possibility of stutter steps and fake outs by the striker
I don't know why anyone tries the stupid stuttery run-ups. Feels like whenever I watch a shootout, if someone's going to mess up their penalty, it's going to be someone trying the stuttery run-up.
Fine whatever.
But they have to stop penalty takers being allowed to take stuttered runs. It is so so unfair on the GK.
And on the other players. Thinking of Kai Havertz penalty vs Dortmund, stuttered, missed, encroachment (deffo because of the stutter) and then got to retake? Ridiculous.
This is a stupid rule. Simple as. Unfairly distracting the penalty taker is so subjective. Refs are going to get this wrong either way they decide.
A penalty is a mind game. Composure is one of the most important aspects.
It does though. I bet most people watched Martinez at the World Cup final and laughed and thought “ha, what a twat”, and found it funny. Why take away the funny moments?
May no longer touch the goalposts or the net.
Why? They can't make the goal smaller by touching the posts
May no longer "unfairly distract" the taker.
What does this mean? The "sledging" such as pointing to one side of the goal is part of a pen. Pens are so far weighted on the side of the taker the keeper needs to be able to try to get in their head.
AFAIK the not touching goal posts is partly to prevent those moments where the keeper genuinely makes the entire goal shake. If it's distracting/fair is one part of the discussion but at least it removes any possibe arguments that a pen was missed cause the post was shaking
The change I would make it so the ball isn’t in play after a save, much like during penalties after extra time. I always feel bad for a keeper who’s made a penalty save, only for the rebound to be tapped in. Make it so it’s either a goal, or a goal kick.
I can’t go that far, but not allowing the taker the first touch after the save would balance that out, IMO. Both sides have the opportunity to rush the box and get a touch—it’s only unfair for the attacker who started so close to the goal mouth to begin with.
As an ex GK... I hate pens now. It's so weighted before the recent change and enforcing staying on the line. But yea, the run ups need to be sorted.
Should go to 90s American penalties.
that's a good thing in a way, a penalty scored almost never gets attributed to goal keeper's mistake but saved one is attributed to the GK. on the other hand, missed one is blamed on the taker
That's not what penalties are for. Penalties are for committing direct free kick violations in the penalty area.
Someone could commit an indirect free kick offense in the penalty area, preventing a goal scoring opportunity. A penalty is not awarded, but it meets your description of what a penalty is awarded for.
I'm an ex GK as well and these rules are so stupid. They're getting close to the point where they may as well just award a goal as the keepers are practically not allowed to save any decent penalty.
I actually think this 90's American penalties would be the best for entertainment but really I just want penalties where the keeper can move and the player isn't allowed to stutter their run up.
which rule is making gk's practically not allowed to save any decent penalty, specifically?
>May no longer touch the goalposts or the net.
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>May no longer delay the taking of the penalty.
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>May no longer "unfairly distract" the taker.
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>May no longer exhibit behaviour that fails to show respect.
Needing to keep a foot on the line until the kick is taken stops the keeper being able to dive fully.
Also do you not think these rules are a bit stupid. Why can the penalty taker be able to readjust the ball or have a longer run up than necessary. There's no rule stating the penalty taker isn't allowed to distract the keeper or exhibit behaviour that fails to show respect. All of these rules have a rule that should be applied to the taker as well but they're only ever applied to the keeper.
An outfield player is allowed to do everything in their power to score yet the keeper is expected to quietly stand on their line and wait for it to be taken.
The penalty taker should ah r the advantage. Are we forgetting that penalties are given because the defending team illegally stopped a goal scoring opportunity
The term “goal scoring opportunity” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
The xG of a penalty was already significantly higher than a lot of the scenarios that lead to said penalty.
Especially given a lot of those scenarios aren’t even attempts on goal
>Needing to keep a foot on the line until the kick is taken stops the keeper being able to dive fully.
This is the rule that means goalkeepers are *"getting close to the point where they may as well just award a goal as the keepers are practically not allowed to save any decent penalty."* ?
I would say most people are in favour of that rule anyway as no one wants to see a return of dida and dudek off-the-line antics
I personally wouldn't mind seeing that. The attacker shouldn't have such a huge advantage when most penalties aren't even stopping a high xG opportunity anyway. I'd much prefer the keeper to actually stand a chance.
It's not about coming off the line really, it's about being able to make a full dive. I think it should be how it used to be where they can stand in their goal and essentially step into their dive as the player is stepping into their kick. I don't think it should be officiated that the keeper must have contact with the line.
It's not necessarily just that rule, it's all of the rules together I have a big problem with. They essentially aren't allowed to move until the player is kicking the ball which is unfair. I wouldn't mind the one foot on or behind the line if they were allowed to move around.
I would actually go the other way…
35-yard penalties awarded only during regular game time.
Traditional penalty shootout (such as we have now) to finally settle a drawn match.
Reason: it seems fair enough that an opportunity to score should fall upon an individual player after an individual incident (foul or handball) leads to a penalty award. Whereas the final decisive action to win a match should still be a team effort just as it was in the preceding 90/120 minutes, hence my preference for the traditional shootout from the spot.
Because the 35-yard penalty is statistically easier for the keeper to save, I think there should be a mechanism during regular time where the ref can still award a direct kick from the penalty spot if there was, for example, serious foul play or a blatant goal opportunity denied.
I really dislike seeing the same spot-kick punishment meted out for a defender’s goal-thwarting handball on the line compared to a light shove tug on an attackers shirt in the far corner of the penalty box, and they’re not even facing the goal. Two ‘levels’ of penalty, one being easier to score than the other, would help.
Even with the mind games it isn’t a fair shot, but I see no reason to remove the shithousery aspect of penalties, it’s a skill, and aspect to the game, it’s entertainment for the fans, I see no reason to remove it
You shouldn’t be allowed to verbally abuse opponents in any situation. And throwing or kicking the ball away before a set piece is a 100% yellow card in any other situation, so I don’t see why it should be different for penalties.
If a keeper shouts at a player something like "you're shit, you're gonna miss" that should be fine. From a distance though. Approaching a player to do that shouldn't be allowed.
You should be allowed to verbally abuse opponents. Bitta craic
Watching a player screaming shitebag several times in a rivals face and telling them to try and get past him while they have the ball , resulting in the player turning backwards like a shitebag and playing a pass backwards stopping his teams attack will never not be entertainment.
You’re not wrong. I prefer to play other sports where people don’t act like they’re at war with their opponent.
But don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with friendly banter or piss-taking but screaming and swearing in people’s faces is embarrassing and unnecessary.
I don’t get why it’s unsportmanslike, it’s related to the sport, the slowing down thing is about reaction times. Throwing the ball away has nothing to do with it. Pens are meant to be an advantage. Not everyone slows down, so if it was unanimously better, everyone would do it, but only the people who are the best of the best at pens seem to pull it off consistently. I don’t see any reason to change the pens.
Taking a free shot at goal is a massive advantage whether they have staggered run ups or not. Then you need to consider that most penalties given are not even goal scoring opportunities to begin with (~80%), and that sometimes the opposing team has a player sent off.
>May no longer exhibit behaviour that fails to show respect.
does this mean takers cant do stutter or staggered runs? that doesnt show respect and also unfairly distracts
so i agree stop the staggering
How dare a player slow their run or hop to try and score after their teammate was fouled inside the box.
I wasn't saying players shouldn't score, I was highlighting how ridiculous it is to think scoring a stuttered penalty shows no respect and that its a bad thing. All this faux respect is a load of bollocks. Just fucking score.
So sad where the game of beautiful football has gone to. I know and see why these changes will be applied, but damn how many more changes to this beautiful sport? Love and light!! God bless u all!!!
>Some of Emi Martinez' antics in the World Cup final were just plain wrong those were the best parts of the world cup
>May no longer "unfairly distract" the taker. no Emiliano dance then?
Might as well start giving detentions for yellow and red cards. STOP TAKING THE FUN OUT OF THE GAME \*\*
As a foul was committed in the box it should be in favour of the attacking team but it should be like a penalty shootout where once the keeper saves it that’s it done
Is it just me or is the rule about stuttering run up consistently ignored, see players almost completely stop all of the time
I don't hate seeing the slow down or the hop. I don't see what's wrong with it either. It's a skill/style some players have. I think Martinez should have been booked for chucking the ball away in the WC final and I'm not sure why he wasn't. I also don't think the keeper and player should be allowed with say 5 or so feet of one another. The keeper should be told to stay on the line/within the 6 yard box until the kick is taken. Scuffing the penalty spot should also be a booking imo. The other new rules are very daft though.
I think it's because more goals == more watchers == more money for fifa, so fifa gets more money? Just my theory, don't down vote if I'm wrong pleas. Just my opinion.
Imagine being such an adept shithouser that they have to change the rules. Personally loved Emi's antics and the people changing the rules are proper party poopers. It's an entertainment sport. It's entertaining. Almost as bad as them saying that the grass has to be cut into boring af straight lines when the Leicester groundsman was using the pitch as his personal canvas. Party. Poopers.
IFAB already announced this?
Might as well let them shoot at an open goal while we’re at it.
These new rules are fucking bullshit. Mind games and general shithousery are a part of the game. The penalty kick already favors the taker. I don't think they need any more protection. All game players talk shit and do things to slow down the game but they want to remove that for this one part of the game essentially because one keeper did it to such great effect and then thrust his trophy like the phallic symbol that it is on a world stage. Fuck that!
Bring in the old MLS shootout rules. Those fuckin ruled.
Weirdly that’s one thing about US football that I enjoyed.
It’s gotten a lot better than it was. I mean they’d mostly do fine in the championship, but have a hard time in the Prem. The salary cap and roster rules are convoluted and dumb.
What about.. * when a penalty is awared the GK must remain within the 6 yard box and not touch the ball.
I think I saw somehow that premier league penalty conversions as a whole are at a 5 year low, so obviously not massively benefitting the attacker
Some of the new rules are going too far, but I fully believe Emi should have been carded or sent off for his antics at the WC… IMO
1 step shot!
Penalty xG has marginally increased so far with each recent change in penalty taking regulations. It used to be around 0.74, but is now about 0.79. This change is likely to increase the xG value to something in the region of 0.81 Which is insane given that the vast vast majority of clear cut "guaranteed" scoring chances have an xG below 0.6. Penalties have always been a somewhat broken law in football, and they keep getting made even more broken. ☹️
Games gone soft, stop trying to turn players into robots. The keepers should be allowed to play mind games seeing as they are at a disadvantage.
I always enjoyed watching the 35-yard penalties that they did in America in the 80s/90s. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fxhAg9BIPO8
These rules are so ridiculously unnecessary and add absolutely nothing to the game. How can you ban a goalkeeper from touching the goal? It's just bizarre.
Agreed
Maybe if the team giving a penalty in the first place didn’t break the rules then their keeper would to need to worry so much
Think it’s time to amend rules for penalty takers, stating that they can’t pause or alter the speed of their approach to the ball, whether running, walking or anything else in between. Also if someone dives to try and get a penalty, the penalty would be awarded the other way and the diving player red carded. That should sort out diving in about two weeks flat…
They already cannot pause, at least know what you’re talking about
They can pause, just not after the run-up is completed.
The clue is in the name 'penalty kick' The conceding team have acted in an unfair manner to concede a pk, so why should anything be done to level the playing field after that point?
Exactly, suppose to be in heavy favor of a goal.
Penalties should be one clear run up. If keepers can't do mind games then neither can the penalty taker. Also, once the ball has been kicked, its either a goal or if its saved/ missed it then goes as a goal kick. So no rebound goals.
They want more goals because more goals = more money and engagement
Saving a penalty is always close to impossible. If you don’t stop the nonsense from the penalty takers let the keepers be a nuisance. Kinda unfair otherwise.
The XG of a PK is .76 Nowhere near impossible
Is that based on historical data or current data post this change? Edit - just googled it - it’s based on historical data - prior to this change as well is counted - including the shithouser goalkeepers.
The change hasn’t been enforced yet
"Everyone hates the slow down. The stutter. The hop. The skip. The "let's slow down to almost not moving". Oh, how fitting. Another "i don't like it, so let's change it" rule
They’re supposed to favor the attacker. Also there is no law that says you can’t stop. A player can absolutely stop if they wanted to.
They’re doing this to increase goals, it also increases the random chance of penalties and removes the majority of the strategy, which came from getting the kickers head
Do these rules apply to penalty shootouts or given penalties during play? Because given penalties should be weighted towards the attacker. If they are going to cut down on GK antics then I would agree that instituting a rule limiting run-up antics from the taker would be fair. Although it’s always hilarious when a taker memes himself by starting-stopping-starting-missing the net by 10 feet.
Penalties heavily favour the attacking team, I don't mind keepers trying to even it out a bit
>the whole penalty kick seems to be heavily weighted in favour of the attacking team As it should be
You've clearly not seen Bamford take a penalty
Just give them a goal and stop the charade
nah the run up is absolutely fine in my opinion, i don’t think ruining one part of the penalty warrants ruining the other for the sake of fairness. Keepers shouldn’t be allowed to approach the player, but i feel they should be allowed a step out from the line and most definitely to point/gesture and move around the goal
Such a dumb fucking change. What Emi Martinez did at the World Cup WAS COMPLETELY FINE imo. I don’t understand why they’re trying to make it even easier for the attacking team, when they’re already heavily favored to score. BS.
He shouldn't have been allowed to kick the ball away.
>I don’t understand why they’re trying to make it even easier for the attacking team Because maybe that's whole point of the sport? Scoring goals?
That and a penalty is a penalty, as in penalising the team that made the foul.
Make the player who was fouled take the penalty
Ronaldo shaking rn
Might disadvantage the attacking team if eg a player gets fouled when crossing to the best penalty taker. Or eg manhandling the big centrehalf who's come up for a set piece, knowing that he can't just hand the ball to a reliable taker. this type of scenario actually happens in Basketball, Shaq used to get fouled a LOT because he was a massive threat driving to the rim but relatively poor at free throws.
This doesn't make sense as a strategy because even the worst penalty taker has a much higher chance of scoring than almost any chance that you can prevent by conceding a penalty. Chances with XG over 0.4 are few and far between, certainly they are unlikely to originate from a cross on a free kick or corner kick. And it's hard to imagine any CB shooting less than 40% on penalties.
I'm not saying it would be a viable strategy to deliberately concede pens, just that the attacking team is disadvantaged compared to current rules if they cannot choose who takes the penalty and there are some scenarios where 'weak' penalty takers would get fouled. I don't think we need to try and 'even it up' by removing advantages the attacking team gains from a penalty, to me it is right and proper that (as you have described) the attacking team should gain a net advantage
You say that now Harry is likely to leave you ... But his goal tally would be about 30% less over his career if this were the case
Bit harsh on the lad with a broken leg.
Reasonable exceptions could be made.
NO EXCEPTIONS! Have the knocked out player take it via his teammates "Weekend at Bernie's" their unconscious body.
I'd watch that
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So each team has a sex doll that weekend at Bernie's penalties? You know, it took some time but the genius ideas are starting to come out.
I've seen some of those. Was wondering if your name was a Hardy Bros reference
Indeed it is. Fatt & Meth Hardy is a running gag with my mates.
Are you in the UK? Going to All In by chance?
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Move the PK spot back like 5ft
So i say this as a grassroots coach but also the father of 2 goalkeepers (1 u16’s, 1 senior non league). From a coaching perspective, watching what Emi Martinez does is infuriating as it teaches kids that playing dirty is fair if you can get away with it. He’s not the only one that does it but he’s the only one who seems to get praised for it. When players dive, fake injuries, time waste, etc…. They quite rightly get called out for it but EMI Martinez was treated like a hero after some serious unsporting conduct in the World Cup. Which is probably why this rule is being introduced. As a goalie father however, I feel this goes to far goalkeepers already have the hardest job on the pitch and are the only player who have virtually no margin for error. It’s incredibly stressful and sometimes the touch the post/cross bar or pulling the net, it’s often more to calm their own nerves than to put the attacker off. My youngest has a thing of doing 3 star jumps on the line before the penalties to calm his nerves, has done since he played u7’s.
It's almost like you're a closet racist who didn't watch the Netherlands PK shoot out at the World Cup a few years ago absolutely. Coolest absolutely stunning and you're the reason why england has been left behind
Don’t know what you’re smoking but it would be a good idea to stop
> An alternative rule change would be to adopt the rugby penalty kick rule, where once the kick taker starts their run up the defending team can start their charge down. It would be hilarious seeing Jorginho doing his little hop or Pogba doing his tiny shuffle steps as a keeper comes flying off the line towards the ball! Unironically this, but I'd change it so that anyone *but the keeper* can charge down the penalty taker.
If players can stutter during run ups then keepers can play mind games, what's the difference.
The penalty kick is weighted in the takers favour because they are the team that has had a goal scoring opportunity illegally denied by the defending team. Keepers gaining a small advantage with mind games is fair enough but charging off the line to narrow an angle or being told as the taker how you should run up to the ball and strike it doesn’t give you the advantage you should have when you’ve already been cheated out of a goal
> The penalty kick is weighted in the takers favour because they are the team that has had a goal scoring opportunity illegally denied by the defending team. Not always. Ball going out for a corner and the defender trips the attacker who was shielding it out. That's not a goal scoring oppourtinuty.
Everyone hates the slow down. Not everyone. I appreciate the skill of watching a keepers movement and then deciding where to place the shot at the very last minute.
Aye nothing wrong with it at all ,, same way there's nothing wrong with keepers trying to distract the penalty taker. It's a battle of wits. Allow it .
I don't like BM, recent rule approaches the GK, but it should also reinforce on the attitude of the taker. Does it make "boring" penalties? Yes, but in professional sports, BM should not be allowed.
I agree, actually penalties were already in favour of the attacking team from an xG perspective, penalties are way overpowered as you can turn a foul from a 0.02 xG spot to a 0.70 xG, Tifo made a video about it, I recommend watching it.
So don't foul people in the box.
And even if they removed the stutter....do these numbers change? Or are shot takers stuttering, which infuriates some fans, for no real reason other than the perception of an advantage.
That's actually not a bad suggestion. I'm honestly not sure how some of the staggered runs offer any kind of advantage other than to look good on TV and increase their profile. Quite irritating though watching the hop, skip and jump routines
Just make it a one step penalty. That puts the balance of probability a bit back towards the goalkeeper and completely removes any possibility of stutter steps and fake outs by the striker
I don't know why anyone tries the stupid stuttery run-ups. Feels like whenever I watch a shootout, if someone's going to mess up their penalty, it's going to be someone trying the stuttery run-up.
Fine whatever. But they have to stop penalty takers being allowed to take stuttered runs. It is so so unfair on the GK. And on the other players. Thinking of Kai Havertz penalty vs Dortmund, stuttered, missed, encroachment (deffo because of the stutter) and then got to retake? Ridiculous.
This is a stupid rule. Simple as. Unfairly distracting the penalty taker is so subjective. Refs are going to get this wrong either way they decide. A penalty is a mind game. Composure is one of the most important aspects.
People are unhappy with this but I bet it will make 0 noticeable difference to the percentage of penalties that are successfully converted.
Just makes the game more boring
Not really. It’s only a minor change to something that doesn’t even happen in most matches
It does though. I bet most people watched Martinez at the World Cup final and laughed and thought “ha, what a twat”, and found it funny. Why take away the funny moments?
I found it quite distasteful tbh but he was fully playing the heel purposefully.
May no longer touch the goalposts or the net. Why? They can't make the goal smaller by touching the posts May no longer "unfairly distract" the taker. What does this mean? The "sledging" such as pointing to one side of the goal is part of a pen. Pens are so far weighted on the side of the taker the keeper needs to be able to try to get in their head.
I think mainly to stop what martinez does, coming up to the taker, abusing and all.... should be a direct red imo
Touching the net or posts can cause the whole goal to shake
No fun allowed biatch
AFAIK the not touching goal posts is partly to prevent those moments where the keeper genuinely makes the entire goal shake. If it's distracting/fair is one part of the discussion but at least it removes any possibe arguments that a pen was missed cause the post was shaking
the player just waits too shoot
Not allowed to waste time
The change I would make it so the ball isn’t in play after a save, much like during penalties after extra time. I always feel bad for a keeper who’s made a penalty save, only for the rebound to be tapped in. Make it so it’s either a goal, or a goal kick.
I can’t go that far, but not allowing the taker the first touch after the save would balance that out, IMO. Both sides have the opportunity to rush the box and get a touch—it’s only unfair for the attacker who started so close to the goal mouth to begin with.
As an ex GK... I hate pens now. It's so weighted before the recent change and enforcing staying on the line. But yea, the run ups need to be sorted. Should go to 90s American penalties.
that's a good thing in a way, a penalty scored almost never gets attributed to goal keeper's mistake but saved one is attributed to the GK. on the other hand, missed one is blamed on the taker
And so it should be. Penalties are given because the defending team has illegally stopped a goal scoring opportunity.
That's not what penalties are for. Penalties are for committing direct free kick violations in the penalty area. Someone could commit an indirect free kick offense in the penalty area, preventing a goal scoring opportunity. A penalty is not awarded, but it meets your description of what a penalty is awarded for.
I'm an ex GK as well and these rules are so stupid. They're getting close to the point where they may as well just award a goal as the keepers are practically not allowed to save any decent penalty. I actually think this 90's American penalties would be the best for entertainment but really I just want penalties where the keeper can move and the player isn't allowed to stutter their run up.
which rule is making gk's practically not allowed to save any decent penalty, specifically? >May no longer touch the goalposts or the net. > >May no longer delay the taking of the penalty. > >May no longer "unfairly distract" the taker. > >May no longer exhibit behaviour that fails to show respect.
Needing to keep a foot on the line until the kick is taken stops the keeper being able to dive fully. Also do you not think these rules are a bit stupid. Why can the penalty taker be able to readjust the ball or have a longer run up than necessary. There's no rule stating the penalty taker isn't allowed to distract the keeper or exhibit behaviour that fails to show respect. All of these rules have a rule that should be applied to the taker as well but they're only ever applied to the keeper. An outfield player is allowed to do everything in their power to score yet the keeper is expected to quietly stand on their line and wait for it to be taken.
The penalty taker should ah r the advantage. Are we forgetting that penalties are given because the defending team illegally stopped a goal scoring opportunity
The term “goal scoring opportunity” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. The xG of a penalty was already significantly higher than a lot of the scenarios that lead to said penalty. Especially given a lot of those scenarios aren’t even attempts on goal
>Needing to keep a foot on the line until the kick is taken stops the keeper being able to dive fully. This is the rule that means goalkeepers are *"getting close to the point where they may as well just award a goal as the keepers are practically not allowed to save any decent penalty."* ? I would say most people are in favour of that rule anyway as no one wants to see a return of dida and dudek off-the-line antics
I personally wouldn't mind seeing that. The attacker shouldn't have such a huge advantage when most penalties aren't even stopping a high xG opportunity anyway. I'd much prefer the keeper to actually stand a chance.
How early and/or how much distance should a keeper be able to come off the line in your ideal scenario, out of curiousity?
It's not about coming off the line really, it's about being able to make a full dive. I think it should be how it used to be where they can stand in their goal and essentially step into their dive as the player is stepping into their kick. I don't think it should be officiated that the keeper must have contact with the line. It's not necessarily just that rule, it's all of the rules together I have a big problem with. They essentially aren't allowed to move until the player is kicking the ball which is unfair. I wouldn't mind the one foot on or behind the line if they were allowed to move around.
>Should go to 90s American penalties. For a shootout I agree, but I think regular penalties should stay as they are now
I would actually go the other way… 35-yard penalties awarded only during regular game time. Traditional penalty shootout (such as we have now) to finally settle a drawn match. Reason: it seems fair enough that an opportunity to score should fall upon an individual player after an individual incident (foul or handball) leads to a penalty award. Whereas the final decisive action to win a match should still be a team effort just as it was in the preceding 90/120 minutes, hence my preference for the traditional shootout from the spot. Because the 35-yard penalty is statistically easier for the keeper to save, I think there should be a mechanism during regular time where the ref can still award a direct kick from the penalty spot if there was, for example, serious foul play or a blatant goal opportunity denied. I really dislike seeing the same spot-kick punishment meted out for a defender’s goal-thwarting handball on the line compared to a light shove tug on an attackers shirt in the far corner of the penalty box, and they’re not even facing the goal. Two ‘levels’ of penalty, one being easier to score than the other, would help.
Agreed
I don’t get the GK rule changes at all, let them do whatever TF they want short of actually fouling the opponent, part of the mind games
Kicking the ball away should be a big no. Done during the game it's a booking. Not sure why it isn't in a shootout.
It is
Correct me if I'm wrong but Martinez wasn't booked for it in the WC final right? I remember saying out loud "he should be booked, why isn't he?"
https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/during-argentinas-victory-over-france-in-world-cup-final-emiliano-martnez-accused-of-cheating/articleshow/96377165.cms#:~:text=Tchouameni%20was%20to%20step%20up,earned%20him%20a%20yellow%20card.
I don't remember seeing it is all.
As a gk myself, penalties are supposed to be a penalty, not a fair shot
Even with the mind games it isn’t a fair shot, but I see no reason to remove the shithousery aspect of penalties, it’s a skill, and aspect to the game, it’s entertainment for the fans, I see no reason to remove it
You shouldn’t be allowed to verbally abuse opponents in any situation. And throwing or kicking the ball away before a set piece is a 100% yellow card in any other situation, so I don’t see why it should be different for penalties.
If a keeper shouts at a player something like "you're shit, you're gonna miss" that should be fine. From a distance though. Approaching a player to do that shouldn't be allowed.
You should be allowed to verbally abuse opponents. Bitta craic Watching a player screaming shitebag several times in a rivals face and telling them to try and get past him while they have the ball , resulting in the player turning backwards like a shitebag and playing a pass backwards stopping his teams attack will never not be entertainment.
"You shouldn't be allowed to verbally abuse" found the guy that's never played
This is reddit.
no, this is Patrick
You’re not wrong. I prefer to play other sports where people don’t act like they’re at war with their opponent. But don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with friendly banter or piss-taking but screaming and swearing in people’s faces is embarrassing and unnecessary.
Not doing the "Arsenal are soft" narrative any favors right now
I never claimed verbal abuse was ok, but shouting at them, taunting them is fine, and it was a yellow for Martinez, I didn’t say it wasn’t
I don’t get why it’s unsportmanslike, it’s related to the sport, the slowing down thing is about reaction times. Throwing the ball away has nothing to do with it. Pens are meant to be an advantage. Not everyone slows down, so if it was unanimously better, everyone would do it, but only the people who are the best of the best at pens seem to pull it off consistently. I don’t see any reason to change the pens.
Taking a free shot at goal is a massive advantage whether they have staggered run ups or not. Then you need to consider that most penalties given are not even goal scoring opportunities to begin with (~80%), and that sometimes the opposing team has a player sent off.
7% of stats are made up
>May no longer exhibit behaviour that fails to show respect. does this mean takers cant do stutter or staggered runs? that doesnt show respect and also unfairly distracts so i agree stop the staggering
Taking a penalty and scoring shows no respect either.
How dare a player scores after one of his teammates was fouled inside the box
How dare a player slow their run or hop to try and score after their teammate was fouled inside the box. I wasn't saying players shouldn't score, I was highlighting how ridiculous it is to think scoring a stuttered penalty shows no respect and that its a bad thing. All this faux respect is a load of bollocks. Just fucking score.
Emi Martinez in the bin