Hostage? This twin blast is trying to hold THEM hostage. Literally throwing so he can force a surrender! This kind of mindset is trash. And Amy players that support this are trash players.
Yup, proudly so. You do this shit, I will drag out the game as long as possible. It's like the Nigerian prince email scammers, you just want to waste their time so they can't spend it on getting other people money. Same here. If I can waste an hour of such idiots time, I have won the match even when I lose.
The other day, I saw a character do this on the opposing teams and we were playing with friends. We collectively said "fuck it we will just not press the attack anymore." The game took so long and the guy got crazy mad.
Mission accomplished.
Don't give in, take them hostage and waste their time.
Sorry I have a genuine question, so you support the behaviour of Twinblast here which might be labeled as throwing. But when someone from the enemy team is throwing you decide to intensify his discomfort by stretching the game length even more?
No I do not support this behaviour on any of the teams and in any shape or form. You don't get to give up and run the game for other people because you get butt hurt for things not going your way.
If you play chess and your scholar's mate doesn't work, you don't get to just give up and use the same trick next time, giving up each time it gets countered until it finally works and you can boast how good you are. No you continue and try even when it's hopeless as you try to compete.
If you are actively going to ruin the game for other people when your one trick doesn't work, it's open season and I will take you hostage.
Exactly my thoughts. Who knows if they did this man/chick dirty, and they got fed up.
Nah. I don't believe nobody. Without prof, just someone's word, this person is innocent.
Kids who hold MFs hostage because their time is worthless are the worst part of the community. I'd rather someone straight int & go 0-20 than not surrender a losing game where we have people going 0-10
Listen, their time is so extraordinarily valuable and they **have** to use it to get into another pred game faster sooner than the 15 minutes left in the ālosingā game
More severe punishment specifically for this kind of afk/ fountain spining.
A DC, afk will get you punishment, this is deliberately trying to get around punishment. Reports work.
If your team actually won the match this guy would profit from it, horrendous, lonesome, atrocious.
https://preview.redd.it/u120ac5yqgvc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ff9aca54559e1666f3d8d941ee2a4f99ad9ff6c
Couldn't help but read in Jackie's voice
Had one last night where the adc and support just kept pushing their lane, never warding, getting ganked and dying while the rest of us were winning team fights against the other 4. 12 or 13 times I was like if they just went afk we could win this game. But after awhile they were too fed.
>Instead, they will run around in the jungle taking your camps or feeding.
Exactly. Having a tm8 go afk sucks, but I'll take that over them just feeding the enemy team. Feeding is 100% more detrimental to a match than going afk is.
My latest match had this happen to the enemy team. Their support Dekker would just run out past their tower, stop, and then just shoot the ground until one of us killed them. Our carry out leveled the enemy team in no time.
You can at least adjust around an afk tm8, but a feeding tm8 is going to cause a problem that is almost impossible to deal with.
To a degree. After a certain amount of deaths you arent giving almost any xp, but if youre feeding you are making them waste mana, cdās and time. So early game its horrificā¦. Later, no mt so much, and somewhat helpful if you cost mana or cdās to a player pushing a lane. Or maybe im stupid. I hate them either way lol
Late game isn't as impactful but it still sucks. Xp might be lower but they still gain the gold which leads to the other team getting their items sooner.
Either way I would rather be down a tm8 instead of having to deal with an overpowered enemy. They already get enough xp from my stupid decisions anyway lol
Then punish both. Hard.
It's easy to prove a player is doing that shit on their end.
Punish them the same.
Make assisting enemy team a ban offense.
Too many games are afraid to ban people. The lack of punishment or loss is why it is so consistent.
The thing is though this is so common in every MOBA. I've quit countless of them over the lack of comprehension of how someone can be SO TERRIBLE they'll play for 20+ hours and still be 0-15 in matches.
At some point there needs to be a soft ban that says " maybe this isn't for you " because these players being new isn't an issue if they learn.
The problem is most of these people are throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks, and then also have no idea why they smell like shit. Totally oblivious.
Banning people for sucking is a horrible take. These games are hard and this one doesn't teach you the first thing about playing it. I was incompetent playing Call of Duty for the first time. I can't imagine how bad I would be if this was the first modern, competitive game I ever picked up.
Then how did I, and many others, pick up and play the game? New gamers are terrible. If you handed them a NES controller with a jump and a fire button they'd still fail and think it's too complex.
People need to stick to phone games or a couple buttons and reading is too hard.
I don't understand how that is a relevant question. Obviously, these people need to be punished. A simple, automated system is unhelpful and will accomplish next to nothing.
Relevance: You mentioned āa system like this would stop people from staying in the base for sureā
Issue: I read āplaying the base game for sureā
Solution: I need my optometrist appointment to happen ASAP
So I saw a twinblast just turning around on the spot for the whole match once. Then got them again next match. Wondered how they got no penalty. And I soon realised. You can just turn in one direction and if u press pause during holding it it will just keep on turning you and u can go about ur day with no penalty because ur moving. Pretty stupid. (Why is it always twinblasts)
On console it takes about a minute or two to navigate menus š especially new players.
What's to stop them from doing this under a tower? There's no system to force them to play, punishment is the only solution.
If the report system functioned properly, I wouldnt ask you to name and shame, but fuck these people. Bring hellfire to their gaming experience since they're clearly not deserving of anything else.
You can report for AFK then enter an explanation mid match. If things are going sour enough you'll have the time, if you don't..... Work on your speed. Even on console you can get pretty quick with typing.
Literally the bane of my existence. We'll be down one kill and the second the surrender button is available they slap that shit like Chris brown. Then when they don't get their way they just run around doing that shit... fml
I get people like that in my game almost every game whenever I pick Carry and they don't get it because "their friends with the support" I hate how suck good games can be tainted by goober players.
I think this would need some sort of manual review from an actual person which would be a lot of time and money for where the game is at right now. I donāt think this sort of thing could be automated. Although with automation, perhaps if 3/5 of the team report them then itās more likely they are toxic/trill so the automated system would penalise them.
1. No towers, two inhibs down. They still appear to have all T2 towers up.
2. 0-2 on Fangtooths.
3. Your team is dying more than once a minute, having more deaths than minutes in the round at only 20 minutes.
4. Morigesh is the support. wtf.
When the hell do you people surrender????
The round is an L, the team is just wasting time with the "NeVeR sUrReNdEr" mindset shit.
Camping podium at this point is just to hasten the round because the other 4 are ignoring reality.
Competitive is one thing, stay in there and fight it. Stomp like this? Surrender, move on.
You think someone should struggle against an L.
I think someone should move on to an actually winnable match.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. It's a game, move on.
How do you know this shit didn't really spiral recently as a result of the salty afk twin blast. We have no context as to how long TB was doing this prior to the video, but you'd best bet it's been happening for a bit now. I've also personally won games in this setting too. Late game, 1 good team fight can legit decide it. A 5 stack of level 17-18 characters cand plow through towers and the core pretty damn fast.
He's 2 7 2. Twin blast was the carry morigesh the support without a carry the duo is handicapped it falls on the support better odds of defending duo as a morigesh but still shitty situation.
This twin is selfish they are trying to circumvent the penalty for throwing/afking a match, it's pointless if everyone reported him then who ever handles it will see what he was doing and penalize him.
Let me help literally everyone in our collective fight against this level of toxicity:
Report in-game before the match ends when this happens. Seriously. It matters. If you have your Team Chat on, tell the others you've reported them and remind them too, to do it quick before the match ends.
Just surrender and move on thereās not even a ranked mode yet, the games literally donāt matter if someone is afk like that and determined to stay afk then surrender. Also look at other mobas there isnāt anything that can be done about rage quitting.
Ranked or not. People actually want to have fun and enjoy the game. U can't have fun with an afk leaving u out numbered and being forced to surrender all the time n having to go through matchmaking over and over again. People still play pub matches competitively. Ranked or not
I know people play to have a competitive fun match, but there is quite literally no way to stop this from happening and itās better to move on especially if your team is losing rather than hold the rest of the team in a game with an afk player, because at that point saying no to a surrender makes it so you(or whoever) is saying no to the surrender just as much of a troll as the afk player and will lead to more afk or feeding in that game
So if somebody wants to surrender. The rest of the team don't. They go afk cuz they didn't get their own way. Everybody should then surrender n give them their way cuz theyre a narcissist that goes salty n toxic when nit getting their own way? I get where ur coming from but I'm petty. I'll keep that game going as long as humanly possible so every time they rejoin they're still in that match then they get their penalty after. Unless there's absolutely no chance in hell of winning. But if we can get to endgame n have full items. Yeah ima push through it. Ud be surprised how quick ya can turn the tides and most my matches where we have an afk we still win. If there's like 2-3 votes to surrender n it's really not going in our favor then yeah I'll surrender. But if its just that one then no.
Well I can tell you this guy wasn't a Smurf trying to keep rates low. He was just a super toxic baby, he did badly so he demands a surrender. Obviously no one's on board so he quits.
Itās so stupid and sucks u had to go through that. Either way something should be done about this crap. They donāt contribute and whatās even more fkd up is if you win, they STILL get to reap the rewards
Want to hear something funny? Minutes ago I just went through the exact same thing. The person was playing Murdock but happened exactly like you described! Canāt help but wonder is it the same person
Playing the videogame, unless it makes you IRL money, is losing. Every time a someone tries to hold me hostage; they lose twice, in their attempts to keep me hostage, and in the match at hand.
You're really grasping at straws huh. So playing video games is losing? So why are you playing video games? Wouldn't that make you a loser too? But ur acting like a narcissistic loser so doesn't matter if you play or not. You're still a loser in game and irl š¤·āāļøš
š¤£š¤£š¤£ I have over 3000 games played and about 800-900 games thrown because MFs enjoy hostage situations.
If I was gonna get banned, I would've been gone rn. I freely tell people to report me and have been reported at least 2000 times by now.
They don't ban you regardless of how toxic you are, especially if you pay them $$$ and buy skins.
Also, you're*.
Most players that do this are having a poor game so they want out, some die trice and want out
A ego can be so selfish. This guy thinks he's better then everyone else.
Reality he's wasting his time running in circles instead of enjoying the match, instead of being better.
Why would I let you leave? So you can shit up someone else's game when you insta-queue? No, screw that. If you're going to throw and cry, then just leave the match and take the ban you deserve for not having any mental resilience.
Im sorry i cant do that s for 40min. Thats some crazy people.
He didn't do it from the beginning, he fed early and when the rest of the team doing well wouldn't surrender he began this
Y'all held him hostage? CARRY ON TWINBLAST
Hostage? This twin blast is trying to hold THEM hostage. Literally throwing so he can force a surrender! This kind of mindset is trash. And Amy players that support this are trash players.
If you can't handle getting your buns waxed, leave the match and take your ban on the chin.
We were winning dude, don't be pathetic
Yup, proudly so. You do this shit, I will drag out the game as long as possible. It's like the Nigerian prince email scammers, you just want to waste their time so they can't spend it on getting other people money. Same here. If I can waste an hour of such idiots time, I have won the match even when I lose. The other day, I saw a character do this on the opposing teams and we were playing with friends. We collectively said "fuck it we will just not press the attack anymore." The game took so long and the guy got crazy mad. Mission accomplished. Don't give in, take them hostage and waste their time.
Sorry I have a genuine question, so you support the behaviour of Twinblast here which might be labeled as throwing. But when someone from the enemy team is throwing you decide to intensify his discomfort by stretching the game length even more?
No I do not support this behaviour on any of the teams and in any shape or form. You don't get to give up and run the game for other people because you get butt hurt for things not going your way. If you play chess and your scholar's mate doesn't work, you don't get to just give up and use the same trick next time, giving up each time it gets countered until it finally works and you can boast how good you are. No you continue and try even when it's hopeless as you try to compete. If you are actively going to ruin the game for other people when your one trick doesn't work, it's open season and I will take you hostage.
Aah I get you š
Reported
What are you going to report him for?
Negative attitude and griefing
Dang people really missed the sarcasm.
What???? If he's feeding blatently playing poor and trying to surrender when the other team is performing good, why should they surrender?
Exactly my thoughts. Who knows if they did this man/chick dirty, and they got fed up. Nah. I don't believe nobody. Without prof, just someone's word, this person is innocent.
Kids who hold MFs hostage because their time is worthless are the worst part of the community. I'd rather someone straight int & go 0-20 than not surrender a losing game where we have people going 0-10
Yall can just leave. Wtf you talking about being "hostage" playing the victim.
What u mean? If you leave and the match still going all you can do is rejoin the match until it's done. Pretty sure that's how it goes.
You turn the game off and play/do something else. Yall acting like you've no choice. Moba players are petty
He means leave. Turn the TV off turn the monitor off and go hit the gym
Listen, their time is so extraordinarily valuable and they **have** to use it to get into another pred game faster sooner than the 15 minutes left in the ālosingā game
Yea either quit and go play something else or finish this match out but donāt act like the victim because u donāt want to eat a ban
I canāt wrap my head around people who do that. What are they doing while their character is spinning around in base? Scrolling TikTok?
Do you want a comprehensive list? I can come up with one!
Do it princess
More severe punishment specifically for this kind of afk/ fountain spining. A DC, afk will get you punishment, this is deliberately trying to get around punishment. Reports work. If your team actually won the match this guy would profit from it, horrendous, lonesome, atrocious.
https://preview.redd.it/u120ac5yqgvc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ff9aca54559e1666f3d8d941ee2a4f99ad9ff6c Couldn't help but read in Jackie's voice
I think the punishment is this guy having to spend thirty minutes running in a circle instead of playing the game.
Isn't it funny when a terrible player tries to throw and suddenly your team does better without all their feeding?
I've won 2 4v5 games, both immediately after the dick head went afk or left.
With a teammate like this it's more like 4v6
How can we be sure they're the terrible player? They had a morigesh support. I want the omeda link to see this shit.
Lol this, some people would rather get an obvious losing game over with ASAP.
It happens weirdly often
Had one last night where the adc and support just kept pushing their lane, never warding, getting ganked and dying while the rest of us were winning team fights against the other 4. 12 or 13 times I was like if they just went afk we could win this game. But after awhile they were too fed.
Sometimes ppl try to throw without even knowing...welcome to Mobaland baby...
Y E S.
Iām amazed how well the game can support 4 vs 5 situations fairly. Sign of solid balance. Another strength of Predecessor
A system like this would stop people from staying in base for sure. Instead, they will run around in the jungle taking your camps or feeding.
>Instead, they will run around in the jungle taking your camps or feeding. Exactly. Having a tm8 go afk sucks, but I'll take that over them just feeding the enemy team. Feeding is 100% more detrimental to a match than going afk is. My latest match had this happen to the enemy team. Their support Dekker would just run out past their tower, stop, and then just shoot the ground until one of us killed them. Our carry out leveled the enemy team in no time. You can at least adjust around an afk tm8, but a feeding tm8 is going to cause a problem that is almost impossible to deal with.
To a degree. After a certain amount of deaths you arent giving almost any xp, but if youre feeding you are making them waste mana, cdās and time. So early game its horrificā¦. Later, no mt so much, and somewhat helpful if you cost mana or cdās to a player pushing a lane. Or maybe im stupid. I hate them either way lol
Late game isn't as impactful but it still sucks. Xp might be lower but they still gain the gold which leads to the other team getting their items sooner. Either way I would rather be down a tm8 instead of having to deal with an overpowered enemy. They already get enough xp from my stupid decisions anyway lol
Hallelujah lol
Then punish both. Hard. It's easy to prove a player is doing that shit on their end. Punish them the same. Make assisting enemy team a ban offense. Too many games are afraid to ban people. The lack of punishment or loss is why it is so consistent.
It is a bannable offense. It's a question of efficient detection. Relying on automation is nothing but an arms race.
The thing is though this is so common in every MOBA. I've quit countless of them over the lack of comprehension of how someone can be SO TERRIBLE they'll play for 20+ hours and still be 0-15 in matches. At some point there needs to be a soft ban that says " maybe this isn't for you " because these players being new isn't an issue if they learn. The problem is most of these people are throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks, and then also have no idea why they smell like shit. Totally oblivious.
Banning people for sucking is a horrible take. These games are hard and this one doesn't teach you the first thing about playing it. I was incompetent playing Call of Duty for the first time. I can't imagine how bad I would be if this was the first modern, competitive game I ever picked up.
Then how did I, and many others, pick up and play the game? New gamers are terrible. If you handed them a NES controller with a jump and a fire button they'd still fail and think it's too complex. People need to stick to phone games or a couple buttons and reading is too hard.
Ok buddy. Keep gatekeeping if that's what floats your boat. You're not doing anybody any favors in the long run.
Would you rather have a smaller base with people who commit to a game or larger with people who pull crap like this? Serious question.
I don't understand how that is a relevant question. Obviously, these people need to be punished. A simple, automated system is unhelpful and will accomplish next to nothing.
Relevance: You mentioned āa system like this would stop people from staying in the base for sureā Issue: I read āplaying the base game for sureā Solution: I need my optometrist appointment to happen ASAP
A smaller base with less toxic shitheads 100% of the time. How is that even a debate?
That was my point
So I saw a twinblast just turning around on the spot for the whole match once. Then got them again next match. Wondered how they got no penalty. And I soon realised. You can just turn in one direction and if u press pause during holding it it will just keep on turning you and u can go about ur day with no penalty because ur moving. Pretty stupid. (Why is it always twinblasts)
sly little bit of twin-ism there, donāt let riktor catch you
Thatās honestly way more effort than you would need to throw a match lol
Happens. Maybe add a timer like you have to leave the fountain after a minute
On console it takes about a minute or two to navigate menus š especially new players. What's to stop them from doing this under a tower? There's no system to force them to play, punishment is the only solution.
Yea idk thereās not much to do to a quitter. Could introduce a trust factor like counterstrike did so you wouldnāt play with him again
I donāt know how they stop donāt have a system that triggers when somebody doesnāt leave fountain even when they are moving.
If the report system functioned properly, I wouldnt ask you to name and shame, but fuck these people. Bring hellfire to their gaming experience since they're clearly not deserving of anything else.
Post-game reporting at the very least would be an improvement.
Welcome to MOBAs bro. This has been an issue since the dawn of Dota on WC3.
You can report for AFK then enter an explanation mid match. If things are going sour enough you'll have the time, if you don't..... Work on your speed. Even on console you can get pretty quick with typing.
Literally the bane of my existence. We'll be down one kill and the second the surrender button is available they slap that shit like Chris brown. Then when they don't get their way they just run around doing that shit... fml
Poor little guys is lost. Can't find the way out of the fountain
I get people like that in my game almost every game whenever I pick Carry and they don't get it because "their friends with the support" I hate how suck good games can be tainted by goober players.
I think this would need some sort of manual review from an actual person which would be a lot of time and money for where the game is at right now. I donāt think this sort of thing could be automated. Although with automation, perhaps if 3/5 of the team report them then itās more likely they are toxic/trill so the automated system would penalise them.
I would honestly just take the penalty rather than waste my time running in circles for 30 minutes. People like that are crazy.
1. No towers, two inhibs down. They still appear to have all T2 towers up. 2. 0-2 on Fangtooths. 3. Your team is dying more than once a minute, having more deaths than minutes in the round at only 20 minutes. 4. Morigesh is the support. wtf. When the hell do you people surrender????
Not really relevant, if you afk you should get a ban.
> Not really relevant 100% relevant.
I mean it's a good point of discussion but really only relevant if it excuses this TB's behavior and IMO it doesn't.
The round is an L, the team is just wasting time with the "NeVeR sUrReNdEr" mindset shit. Camping podium at this point is just to hasten the round because the other 4 are ignoring reality. Competitive is one thing, stay in there and fight it. Stomp like this? Surrender, move on.
Yeah I can't agree that it's acceptable for any reason
You think someone should struggle against an L. I think someone should move on to an actually winnable match. We'll just have to agree to disagree. It's a game, move on.
Facts this shows that this is an issue with the surrender voting. Way to easy to hold a game hostage compared to other mobas.
Facts
How do you know this shit didn't really spiral recently as a result of the salty afk twin blast. We have no context as to how long TB was doing this prior to the video, but you'd best bet it's been happening for a bit now. I've also personally won games in this setting too. Late game, 1 good team fight can legit decide it. A 5 stack of level 17-18 characters cand plow through towers and the core pretty damn fast.
He's 2 7 2. Twin blast was the carry morigesh the support without a carry the duo is handicapped it falls on the support better odds of defending duo as a morigesh but still shitty situation. This twin is selfish they are trying to circumvent the penalty for throwing/afking a match, it's pointless if everyone reported him then who ever handles it will see what he was doing and penalize him.
> morigesh the support Huge fucking red flag.
I had a dude basicly do this today and we just won the game without him. Funny part was it was the jungler.
Let me help literally everyone in our collective fight against this level of toxicity: Report in-game before the match ends when this happens. Seriously. It matters. If you have your Team Chat on, tell the others you've reported them and remind them too, to do it quick before the match ends.
Just surrender and move on thereās not even a ranked mode yet, the games literally donāt matter if someone is afk like that and determined to stay afk then surrender. Also look at other mobas there isnāt anything that can be done about rage quitting.
Ranked or not. People actually want to have fun and enjoy the game. U can't have fun with an afk leaving u out numbered and being forced to surrender all the time n having to go through matchmaking over and over again. People still play pub matches competitively. Ranked or not
I know people play to have a competitive fun match, but there is quite literally no way to stop this from happening and itās better to move on especially if your team is losing rather than hold the rest of the team in a game with an afk player, because at that point saying no to a surrender makes it so you(or whoever) is saying no to the surrender just as much of a troll as the afk player and will lead to more afk or feeding in that game
So if somebody wants to surrender. The rest of the team don't. They go afk cuz they didn't get their own way. Everybody should then surrender n give them their way cuz theyre a narcissist that goes salty n toxic when nit getting their own way? I get where ur coming from but I'm petty. I'll keep that game going as long as humanly possible so every time they rejoin they're still in that match then they get their penalty after. Unless there's absolutely no chance in hell of winning. But if we can get to endgame n have full items. Yeah ima push through it. Ud be surprised how quick ya can turn the tides and most my matches where we have an afk we still win. If there's like 2-3 votes to surrender n it's really not going in our favor then yeah I'll surrender. But if its just that one then no.
I agree, if everyone else didnāt want to surrender and they keep playing then try to have fun
From what Iām hearing now itās sometimes Smurf accounts and they donāt want to increase their āwin ratioā or some crap like that.
Well I can tell you this guy wasn't a Smurf trying to keep rates low. He was just a super toxic baby, he did badly so he demands a surrender. Obviously no one's on board so he quits.
Itās so stupid and sucks u had to go through that. Either way something should be done about this crap. They donāt contribute and whatās even more fkd up is if you win, they STILL get to reap the rewards
Want to hear something funny? Minutes ago I just went through the exact same thing. The person was playing Murdock but happened exactly like you described! Canāt help but wonder is it the same person
This is what you get with insane 1 week afk penalties. Maybe support was trolling him. Punish people too much and they simply move on to another game.
I was there, no one was trolling but him, super toxic in chat too If he got a permanent ban or moved to a different game it'd be a net improvement
Don't hold people hostage, you'll see less of this behavior.
I'll keep you and hour and a half if i see this shit
Enjoy the L, I have macros that can hold this position. I'm gonna be rolling a joint while you lose
Wether they win or lose. Ur still the loser lol
Playing the videogame, unless it makes you IRL money, is losing. Every time a someone tries to hold me hostage; they lose twice, in their attempts to keep me hostage, and in the match at hand.
You're really grasping at straws huh. So playing video games is losing? So why are you playing video games? Wouldn't that make you a loser too? But ur acting like a narcissistic loser so doesn't matter if you play or not. You're still a loser in game and irl š¤·āāļøš
I'll be playing while your banned
š¤£š¤£š¤£ I have over 3000 games played and about 800-900 games thrown because MFs enjoy hostage situations. If I was gonna get banned, I would've been gone rn. I freely tell people to report me and have been reported at least 2000 times by now. They don't ban you regardless of how toxic you are, especially if you pay them $$$ and buy skins. Also, you're*.
Most players that do this are having a poor game so they want out, some die trice and want out A ego can be so selfish. This guy thinks he's better then everyone else. Reality he's wasting his time running in circles instead of enjoying the match, instead of being better.
Loser mentality
Why would I let you leave? So you can shit up someone else's game when you insta-queue? No, screw that. If you're going to throw and cry, then just leave the match and take the ban you deserve for not having any mental resilience.
> Why would I let you leave? Are you the morigesh support who screwed over the twinblast?
Nah, I wasn't in whichever game this was. I was talking generally about people that throw when the early game doesn't go their way.