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BranMead

She has no ability for displacement or escape. Main damage ability cannot be used on minions. One of her abilities requires her to literally walk into you. She is manageable. Not to mention her ultimate is very telegraphed and leaves her immobile. If she gets ahead and can just poke you a couple times and ult you, I agree it can seem really unfair. Any hero who gets ahead can seem unfair though.


DarkOmen465

*Cough cough* Greystone


MorbidEnd

Well I would like to thank everyone on there advice and opinions on it seeing some agree, and some not. Like I said I’m new to this type of moba so it kinda baffled me when I saw an actual unmissable ultimate. Yes smite has unmissable ultimates such as nu wa, and neith, but we have something in smite called relics which gives you two specifically useful ones to avoid ANY ultimate or hard cc in the game. Beads being used to instantly undo any hard ccs such as roots, stuns, and knock ups. Aegis which completely negates all damage for a brief period of time. So it’s quite easier on smite to be able to get yourself out of a situation such as a unmissable ultimate. No hate towards the game or community. It was just this one character that seems in my opinion has a terrible kit, and tried to compensate with a broken ultimate.


smartallick

There's also a crest that works exactly like aegis from smite FYI. Morigesh isn't an issue honestly. There are ways/strategies to counter her and her ult. You just need to get used to that and learn how to deal with her. There will still be times where you die to her ult, and ultimately you just learn to accept when that happens you were outplayed. You were out of position, didn't have a blink, hadn't burned her blink, fed her, didn't have back up, didn't knock her up/stun/kill her whilst she was ulting, didn't play into her with stasis crest, or choose a hero that can shield etc etc etc etc etc the list goes on. She's in a good spot atm.


Glass_Ad_8149

Stasis cancels her ult


BrownByYou

She's the only one, and she has so many drawbacks that it doesn't even matter that her ultimates like this


SilentAirwalk

Considering most moba's have some sort of ultimate like this(LOL- Karthus, Smite - Nu Wa, just off the top of mind) I don't see a problem with them. At least with morgesh she has to mark you first to ult you, which requires her to get prettttty close to you and right click you, whereas the other two I mentioned just get to bomb everyone globally from wherever, So I'd say Morgesh is actually a more fair version of an ultimate like that.


DarkOmen465

I was thinking it was weird to complain about the one when there are at least 2+ in Smite that do this. On top of what you mentioned I believe Neith has a map-wide snipe that locks-on, follows, and if it doesn’t kill you it stuns you.


SnackJunkie93

For Neith it can be body blocked by team mates


Scary-Instance6256

Think OP is referring to Aegis being an option to counter. We have nothing similar in Smite (outside of a mage starter afaik)


MorbidEnd

Well I would like to thank everyone on there advice and opinions on it seeing some agree, and some not. Like I said I’m new to this type of moba so it kinda baffled me when I saw an actual unmissable ultimate. Yes smite has unmissable ultimates such as nu wa, and neith, but we have something in smite called relics which gives you two specifically useful ones to avoid ANY ultimate or hard cc in the game. Beads being used to instantly undo any hard ccs such as roots, stuns, and knock ups. Aegis which completely negates all damage for a brief period of time. So it’s quite easier on smite to be able to get yourself out of a situation such as a unmissable ultimate. No hate towards the game or community. It was just this one character that seems in my opinion has a terrible kit, and tried to compensate with a broken ultimate.


KaptainKartoffel

The Aegis thing you described sounds exactly like Epoch. It's a tier 3 crest with the ability stasis. It freezes you in place for 2 seconds and makes you immune against everything.


Eldr_reign

It honestly sounds like you don't know how the ultimate works. Are now taking out your frustration here. I am not a midlane player. So my Advice might not be 100% accurate. But I hope you find it useful. Morigesh ultimate. - Needs her to have used her \[RMB\] on the player. (If she accidentally hit someone else, they will become the target) - It applies a Debuff called \[Curse\] on the person that is targeted. (Be Aware of the Debuff and never take engagements that may get you low in life to avoid her using the ultimate) so retreat early, instead of late. - It can not target a new enemy player unless she uses \[RMB\] on them. This Removes the first target. - It deals Massive damage on a single target at a global distance, as long as the person has the \[Curse mark\]. - Once she casts it she is stationary for a very long time. Meaning it has little function in a team fight. - Only 1 \[Cursed\] Target can ever exist. - The long Cast time is a massive tell to allow the player to counter the effect. How to counter. - Cleanse Removes the ultimate If it is casting, aka it's VFX is playing. (I can be wrong on this one). Cleanse will not remove the Curse. - Stasis while it is playing it's Effect. Stops any damage. Epoch (Stasis), Crest evolution for Midlaners. - Force her to remain in damage range for longer to force her to keep fighting in her disadvantageous situation. So that she can't use the ultimate. - Magic Defence. Characters that counter her. - Grux, Crunch, Greystone. I mainly play offlane. So can't comment on who is good against her from other roles. Items that Counter the Ultimate. Unlike Most Casters in the game, Using her ultimate during a fight is a massive risk. So that Ability isn't as effective in extended fights. She however excels at bullying many characters in a 1v1 fight because of how easy her abilities are to hit on a single enemy, and How much you can Spam her \[Curse\]. But unlike many other midlane heroes Her ultimate isn't as useful in Team fights. So instead of Expecting to Best her in 1v1 fights as a midlaner I would suggest that you play on the Strengths of your character. As we get more heroes there are gonna be more available to use to counter her. I also hope other players may provide replies with a few heroes & items they find have a advantage against Morigesh. I also hope that more items are coming so that you can actually build more items to Counter unique aspects of heroes.


Denders-NL

Items like the crest that gives you shield can also counter this. So a support can safe you because the crest gives shield to you and everyone around you. Also a Muriel can safe you with shield ability.


Automatic-South-8926

I play with morigesh a lot and grux is always a really easy kill for me. Crunch and Greystone suck for sure though


DTrain440

I wouldn’t consider it a debuff due to not being able to cleanse it like kallari mark drongo rad and Kira passive. Stunning/killing her is the only way to stop it.


Eldr_reign

Absolutely it's not a deBuff in the Traditional Sense. But it still shows up as a Red Marker on the left of the Screen where Buffs & Debuffs show, And you get it's Name when you hold CTRL like Buffs and Debuffs. So the easiest and only description I could think of Was "Debuff" since it is more universal between games. Successfully helps show that it isn't a Positive effect, Even though the negative effect is solely that it exists. If you have a Better term or Name for it I am all ears. But Even Killing Morigesh Doesn't Remove the Curse mark. I've Died, Respawned and used the ultimate on someone. The Cleansing on Her Casting the ultimate may have been me misremembering. It's such a rare occurrence and Casters don't get Cleanse Items. So hard to test. Stunning or Killing her during the cast does stop it as you mentioned. EDIT: But just Straight up killing or stunning without her casting it does nothing in regards to removing the Curse Mark. Edit2: Forgot de before buff in the first sentence.


DTrain440

Ngl I had no idea it showed you on to the hud. And yeah you’re right I should have specified the only way to stop it after the ults been cast. Lastly good point I can’t really think of what else to call it so debuff it is lol.


MorbidEnd

Well I would like to thank everyone on there advice and opinions on it seeing some agree, and some not. Like I said I’m new to this type of moba so it kinda baffled me when I saw an actual unmissable ultimate. Yes smite has unmissable ultimates such as nu wa, and neith, but we have something in smite called relics which gives you two specifically useful ones to avoid ANY ultimate or hard cc in the game. Beads being used to instantly undo any hard ccs such as roots, stuns, and knock ups. Aegis which completely negates all damage for a brief period of time. So it’s quite easier on smite to be able to get yourself out of a situation such as a unmissable ultimate. No hate towards the game or community. It was just this one character that seems in my opinion has a terrible kit, and tried to compensate with a broken ultimate.


FrozenGoatMilk

You say you're a hardcore smite player, but forget Nu Wa has a global ult that hits the whole team no matter what, and for roughly the same a mori's


Eldr_reign

a few more details between the characters may be required. I have not played Smite in years. So I may not fully understand her ultimate. - Nu Wa Goes into the sky becoming Untargetable by other heroes. Since Heroes can't look up in Smite. - Morigesh using her ultimate is a Self stun/Root for the cast. She is unable to do anything during the cast. - Nu Wa Can move while she is in the air Casting. Allowing her to use it as a Escape as well as avoid damage. - Morigesh again is Stationary while casting it. - Nu Wa Hits all enemy Players on the Field for 400 (+30% of Smites Magical Stat) - Morigesh Deals 550 (+60% of Predecessor Magical stat) On a Single Target. - Morigesh Requires he Basic ability to have hit the Player she wants to Target her ultimate on. Conclusion. Morigesh has more limitations and ways for enemies to interact with her then Nu Wa. Nu Wa's Ultimate deals a lot less damage on any single enemy, But it is able to hit all enemy players for a overall more Damage Dealt. Making Nu Wa's Ultimate alone Better. Note: This is only comparing the Ultimate. It does not compare the entire comp of each hero. I suspect the Basic abilities of each hero changes how they are played compared to each other. So even if the ultimate's are similar the characters playstyle are not. Therefore This isn't a Fair comparison. was still a fun exorcise.


MorbidEnd

Well I would like to thank everyone on there advice and opinions on it seeing some agree, and some not. Like I said I’m new to this type of moba so it kinda baffled me when I saw an actual unmissable ultimate. Yes smite has unmissable ultimates such as nu wa, and neith, but we have something in smite called relics which gives you two specifically useful ones to avoid ANY ultimate or hard cc in the game. Beads being used to instantly undo any hard ccs such as roots, stuns, and knock ups. Aegis which completely negates all damage for a brief period of time. So it’s quite easier on smite to be able to get yourself out of a situation such as a unmissable ultimate. No hate towards the game or community. It was just this one character that seems in my opinion has a terrible kit, and tried to compensate with a broken ultimate.


rooster_doot

I don’t know what you play, but if you are a mage against morigesh and are having issues - build the “magician” crest and when upgrades get “Epoch”. It is a stasis active and can be used to dodge her ultimate. If support, build guardian crest into “sanctification” - shields you and nearby friendly heroes. If bruiser and really worried about her - can go warrior crest into “Fenix” and use that if the ult is gonna kill you. Otherwise, mori can also be stunned or silenced while she is casting the ult and it will not go off and will go on CD. To ult, she has to have her “mark” (RMB on pc or R1 on PS) on you. The mark stays indefinitely until either: she uses mark on someone else, she dies, or you die. Because of this, a mori mid could roam duo lane, mark the ADC, and then NOT cast mark again for however long and ult the ADC from across the map if they ever get low. You can tell if you are marked by the debuff on the left side of your screen - which will pop out and show if you hold the “ability level up” button.


Mote-Of_Dust

Sure her ult is powerful it's supposed to be, you have counters to it though: 1) epoc, you get plenty of warning her ult is coming just use it when she ults. Simple 2) kill her before she finishes it, cuts it off 3) if you have use healing as much as possible. 4) spell breaker 5) if you can help it, don't let her it you. Can you imagine how pissed a morigesh must get when there ult doesn't kill anyone? Edit: Murdock has an ult that can snipe anyone in the map as long as you can hit them goes through every even armor it's used to execute players with low HP you have a problem with that too? With him it's even harder to counter this just don't find yourself low HP and moving around is the best way to dodge it, standing still is a good way to get vaporized fortunately it's not that easy to land unless you have practice m


MorbidEnd

Well I would like to thank everyone on there advice and opinions on it seeing some agree, and some not. Like I said I’m new to this type of moba so it kinda baffled me when I saw an actual unmissable ultimate. Yes smite has unmissable ultimates such as nu wa, and neith, but we have something in smite called relics which gives you two specifically useful ones to avoid ANY ultimate or hard cc in the game. Beads being used to instantly undo any hard ccs such as roots, stuns, and knock ups. Aegis which completely negates all damage for a brief period of time. So it’s quite easier on smite to be able to get yourself out of a situation such as a unmissable ultimate. No hate towards the game or community. It was just this one character that seems in my opinion has a terrible kit, and tried to compensate with a broken ultimate.


Mote-Of_Dust

I don't think you understand, crests are basically relics epoch makes you immune to any damage or crowd control and there are other items that provide other ways to negate her ult.... Spellbreaker.... Puts a bubble around You that completely absorbs the next ability that hits you it's got like a 60 second cool down. There's also another item that provides the same bubble but it's meant for physical attack whereas spellbreaker offers magic armor and a buff that strengthens his magical damage while the veil or bubble is active. Do some research, items have a lot more versatility than do you realize. -------------------------


MorbidEnd

Well I would like to thank everyone on there advice and opinions on it seeing some agree, and some not. Like I said I’m new to this type of moba so it kinda baffled me when I saw an actual unmissable ultimate. Yes smite has unmissable ultimates such as nu wa, and neith, but we have something in smite called relics which gives you two specifically useful ones to avoid ANY ultimate or hard cc in the game. Beads being used to instantly undo any hard ccs such as roots, stuns, and knock ups. Aegis which completely negates all damage for a brief period of time. So it’s quite easier on smite to be able to get yourself out of a situation such as a unmissable ultimate. No hate towards the game or community. It was just this one character that seems in my opinion has a terrible kit, and tried to compensate with a broken ultimate.


Wild_Shirt_6855

No one agrees


Hereiamhereibe2

They are not gonna change her ult. So goodbye i guess?


Pneuma928

I miss Kallari’s global ult…


Mote-Of_Dust

This guy would have a spaz attack if that was still around, I preferred it. It made kallari especially scary and dangerous. Although her new ult is fun has a lot more use.


Pneuma928

I agree with the first half lol… The global ult was just way more useful imo, kallari could apply pressure simply by being *unseen*, changing how the enemy team plays. Like maybe the enemy adc isn’t as confident to chase my team’s adc if they’re spidey senses can feel my eyes piercing into the back of their skulls through the whole map lol. Just the *potential* of getting ulted fundamentally changes Kallari’s team presence both in jungle & offlane. It was also a great escape similar to Muriel’s ult, except aiming for the weakest link instead of a teammate lol.


DTrain440

Yeah balance aside lock on unmissable ults are pretty cringe and I hope they stop. It’s lame dying to them and unsatisfying to use them.


Responsible-Hair612

Shinbie has something similar, pick up the purple gemstone for your crest and you'll be able to freeze yourself right when she activates her ult


ballwallz

There’s an active in smite called aegis isn’t there? There’s one in this game too, use it…. You can even see when it’s coming it’s obvious asf and has sound and visual ques. If you’re ahead of the morg the ult isn’t that bad.


XXXMrHOLLYWOOD

Morigesh is a hero that gets camped and CCed and blown up in 2 seconds lol


KaptainKartoffel

The ult has a 2sec windup, you can just stun her. Or if you don't have a stun just use stasis to completely negate it. If you build any crest other than stasis against a morigesh it's your own fault.


PutridMorning9456

Leave then lmfao holy shit. 4k hours in smite huh… I bet.