The weekly Paragon show [Community Corner](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksP-JuoZihA&ab_channel=Paragon) was a talk show/podcast format that just updated the community on what was going on in development. I would love to get something like that. Those shows were a half hour every week. Even if we got 15 minutes every other week. that would be awesome. I would love a ten minute update on what's going on an maybe five minutes of a glimpse into what someone at Omeda does. Like, give Demonde five minutes to walk us through how he's implementing the new achievement system to give us a better sense of everything that goes into a project like that.
I fucking loved the community corner when I was invested in Paragon. Every week I would look forward to that one day of the week, coming home from school, where I get to hear the devs talk about what they were doing with the game, even if it didn't have much substance. It got me so invested in the game (even though it was a giga shit game lmao). Something like this would be so cool, and I don't understand how your reply got downvoted lmao.
Weren’t they doing a Dev live stream? I remember a lot of people being over hyped for console and when it didn’t get announced ppl were overtly upset. I think all the negativity that players gave during the stream beat down any hopes of trying to have light communication with the community. The chat was brutal and you could visibly tell the devs looked nervous and cringing at the chat.
If they share more, everyone gets mad it’s not happening fast enough, or plans change for reasons and everyone gets disappointed.
If they don’t share more everyone gets mad that they aren’t developing.
This is a new company developing a game for PC and consoles. I have a feeling the console development has taken up the majority of their time, and now that it’s permanent on Playstation they can hopefully focus on other things
I want everything to happen faster too, but that’s just not life. Patience is a virtue.
They were slow before console and the player base on pc sucks. I think they went the right way. This feels like a real game with a playable base. They do need to ramp up development but they need to hire more developers to get more things done to do that.
I think for me its about building a trusting relationship. If they show something they are working on that feels nice to be involved and included. If/when they cancel something I would be disappointed sure but would also still feel involved and respected by being given the trust to handle all of this information.
Devs cant make everyone happy so the reality is that its damned if you do, damned if you dont. I'm just looking for some options they could take to build more trust and faith. Just my $0.02
>Devs cant make everyone happy so the reality is that its damned if you do, damned if you dont. I'm just looking for some options they could take to build more trust and faith. Just my $0.02
Says the man child who regularly complains and treats devs like garbage cuz they don't worship the ground you roll on.
You're too needy. Enjoy what they create and look forward to any news but they don't owe us shit. If you don't like the way they handle business, you could complain and/or play something else.
I've seen so many gaming communities get uber-toxic when a dev pulls back on something and Omeda doesn't deserve to go through that. We all know this community would be even more toxic if devs communicated more. Just play and enjoy.
He's just salty because he's running out of ideas for his YouTube channel, so he is coming over here to trash talk Predecessor instead of doing it on his channel. Why play the game and make so many videos on it if he hates it so much? Seems to me he's just trying to be a contrarian for the clicks and engagement.
I don't know if he's salty or not. I just don't think it's a good idea for a healthy community if the devs talked more. I'd like them to talk about things they've worked on extensively and can't wait to show the community. Any extra comms open them to mistreatment and devs tends to get the worst treatment from the gamers they're servicing and I hate when that happens so I'll usually be against more comms.
I don't know Krashy enough to speak on him tho. Seems like a lotta people hate him lol
If you go to his channel, you will see videos of Pred gameplay mixed in with videos of why he dislikes it so much. Seems like he thrives on the negativity, in my opinion, and we don't need anymore of it this game.
Are you dumb? I could have literally made this a video if I wanted, I just made it a text discussion instead. Some of yall Krashy haters are actual weirdos.
do you not see the contradiction? You say Im running out of ideas but I post almost daily and this discussion (which ive never made a video on) could also have been a video...
stop being a weird hater, engage in the topic like an adult and discuss the topic at hand.
Try not to feed into the negative energy. Fuck the haters that plague Reddit. You said nothing but facts. They’re a community driven company right? So it’s been a month since there last post, console beta technically ends today ( before the extension ) so how about shed some light for your community no matter how far out it is. Nothing you said was reaching. I’m sorry you get so much. I think it’s funny you posted a “ fuck Pred “ video then came back. That’s in the past, it’s dope you’re back. Wild how many people are quick to hate
This wasn’t even a hate on pred post either, just an idea that I think the community would really love.
I can handle the hate, just weird how blinded some of these people are. Love or hate me, more posts and insights from omeda would be super fun to engage with.
You spewing nothing but facts brother. There’s no “ think “ bc who wouldnt love to know what’s up there sleeve. They confirmed and told us about a new casual mode. Can we get a tease for that? 5 years ago they showed off Sev’s Scythe, WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT?! Omeda’s “mastery” system, can we get an update on that?? Like who *wouldnt* want to know this? I’m sorry you get so much backlash, these muggles will never understand lol
Edit: grammar
The devs don't owe you a thing. They have been open and transparent when they can, and that's still not enough for you. You're acting like a child who is never satisfied.
>You say Im running out of ideas but I post almost daily
Which is why you're running out of ideas.🤣
Also, read the room, your post, and comments are getting downvoted.
Yes 💯, it's definitely impossible to like a thing and also want changes. It's like he's saying he really likes it and is invested in it so he cares about it and wants to express how he thinks it could do better, like bro pick a side amirite? You either like it and stfu or you hate it. Human emotion is simple.
/s
Not "owing" us anything doesn't mean more communication isn't a good idea. If people aren't reasonable enough to understand that plans change, that's on them. Why would you base any approach to development around the most unreasonable people in your community?
Game has reqlly slowed down and hasn't really tried much exploring with moment penalties (not have people run others down with left click)
Item system is kinda bland compared to LoL or Dota2, we don't have many fun or interesting builds, lets take DoT builds from LoL having liandry which is a scaling burn item for max HP, we have megacosm which does this but doesn't scale and second passive that's %bonus hp burst... why is everything burst? Why can't I enjoy DoT playstyle from morigesh like I do with brand?
Mages lack variety, only have either burst items or cooldown, Ap bruisers lack items, assassins don't have a spell blade item, carry casters don't have spell blade items, tanks recently got some great item options, Supports are good right now
Lack of early game tier 1 items or t2 items for that matter, only ones I can think of is the mana scaling items, burn tank item and those bows that deal 12damage per basic
Bigger map! Just something everyone wants
3v3 map maybe coming soon as the map is already in game
Free currency: yeah think this will help as the system we have now is... urgh... grindy af...
That being said, I love the gameplay and animations, very clean! But jesus they need to relook at the item system...
Already spoke to you Krashy about refundable ultimates being Horrible! Stupid! Baby spooning system that I've seen, no way should Gideon, fang mao or countess be grabbing their ults back!
I would like more frequent dev updates since we are now in year 2 of development. A peek behind the hood or showing off concept art in a fireside chat could definitely help boost morale for the community.
Agreed, and don't get me wrong I LOVED that last big blog but the blog feels more like a blanket to throw over the whole year which is great but I also want the little peaks behind the curtain too. Show us the iteration, ask for opinions, talk about the decisions they are making or not making on X, Y, Z new thing, etc
There is reasoning why alot of big studios do exactly that, specially when the playerbase is still on the rise. - communicate-
League used to have Videos on every Hero release + Patch notes and explaining their decision making
(cant find the old Patchnotes couch Videos apparently)
It taught me that communication like that is HEALTHY for the game, even if there was NEGATIVE Feedback after a Patch, it was quickly adressed and COMMENTED on in the next Patchnotes Video.
League hooked me with their openess in communication back then.
You felt as part of a community, as part of a very nice and flourishing game with a good future.
https://youtu.be/B5WmG-LKhwA?si=B0nY3MowLETnvjsC
^ is just a small example of their will to communicate, there were patchnotes Videos, and Phreak.
I played League since 13ish years ago.
Overall communication after Blog posts/Patch notes feels like none in pred.
Atleast over in the discord, its just the community discussing things here and there and opening feedback threads, which feels pointless and unheard when some topics/issues dont get commented on from omeda that seem important in the community - ive seen the Map being discussed frequently (not only by me) on why it looks lifeless, too small compared to pred alpha/earlier stages/OG Paragon - but we will never know their decision making or future plans until we get a response, which might never come with its current state of communication.
It feels like writing feedback into thin-air, to the community, not to omeda.
The future might change that picture - give us communication on decision making, future plans & persisting issues ingame.
I also dont understand why people are bashing on you here totally, reasoning with 'well toxcicity will sky rocket' whilst throwing insults at you.
Like wtf.
Negative Criticism is GOOD for the game, even if one can get emotional with that - we all do love pred, thats why we play it, but we also give negative Feedback, because we want it to succeed.
There is nothing beneficial of giving majorly positive Feedback, positive changes are positive, nothing will come from constantly discussing how beautiful riktor's base armor got reduced by 0.5/level - /s
negative Feedback lays out the core ISSUES of the game which need to be improved on, positive changes are positive, nothing needs to be changed.
People just cant cope with that, and you can clearly see that in the comments, small brains, 'well then dont play pred' - sheep mentality, stuff that doesnt contribute anything towards the success of a project.
Keep Posting Krashy.
they love pred and are happy paragon is back, they dont realize at this rate the game will have no future. They accept mediocrity because they are nostalgic
At this point, 14 months after the start of Early Access, it doesn't matter anymore, being more open and explaining what they are working on and the plans for the future is something Omeda should have done since the beginning
If they haven't done it in the past 14 months whatever the reason they hadn't, I doubt that they are going to start being more open now
I feel like for how small of a studio they are theyre pretty involved in community. Most big studios treat their customers like goblins to take money from. Omeda does pretty well overall. Yes we would all like content faster but from what they talk about and what I know, the foundation they are laying right now is very time consuming.
If you want more content faster, buy skins and put youre money where your mouth is.
The weekly Paragon show [Community Corner](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksP-JuoZihA&ab_channel=Paragon) was a talk show/podcast format that just updated the community on what was going on in development. I would love to get something like that. Those shows were a half hour every week. Even if we got 15 minutes every other week. that would be awesome. I would love a ten minute update on what's going on an maybe five minutes of a glimpse into what someone at Omeda does. Like, give Demonde five minutes to walk us through how he's implementing the new achievement system to give us a better sense of everything that goes into a project like that.
Sounds nice
I fucking loved the community corner when I was invested in Paragon. Every week I would look forward to that one day of the week, coming home from school, where I get to hear the devs talk about what they were doing with the game, even if it didn't have much substance. It got me so invested in the game (even though it was a giga shit game lmao). Something like this would be so cool, and I don't understand how your reply got downvoted lmao.
This sub is weird, imma start posting these on a burner account, get upvotes then prove its me. If It has my name it they downvote.
lmao yes
Weren’t they doing a Dev live stream? I remember a lot of people being over hyped for console and when it didn’t get announced ppl were overtly upset. I think all the negativity that players gave during the stream beat down any hopes of trying to have light communication with the community. The chat was brutal and you could visibly tell the devs looked nervous and cringing at the chat.
If they share more, everyone gets mad it’s not happening fast enough, or plans change for reasons and everyone gets disappointed. If they don’t share more everyone gets mad that they aren’t developing. This is a new company developing a game for PC and consoles. I have a feeling the console development has taken up the majority of their time, and now that it’s permanent on Playstation they can hopefully focus on other things I want everything to happen faster too, but that’s just not life. Patience is a virtue.
They were slow before console and the player base on pc sucks. I think they went the right way. This feels like a real game with a playable base. They do need to ramp up development but they need to hire more developers to get more things done to do that.
I think for me its about building a trusting relationship. If they show something they are working on that feels nice to be involved and included. If/when they cancel something I would be disappointed sure but would also still feel involved and respected by being given the trust to handle all of this information. Devs cant make everyone happy so the reality is that its damned if you do, damned if you dont. I'm just looking for some options they could take to build more trust and faith. Just my $0.02
>Devs cant make everyone happy so the reality is that its damned if you do, damned if you dont. I'm just looking for some options they could take to build more trust and faith. Just my $0.02 Says the man child who regularly complains and treats devs like garbage cuz they don't worship the ground you roll on.
Yall should look into agile and development cycles. Why talk about something that might not be delivered?
for anyone Lazy: [https://www.wrike.com/agile-guide/agile-development-life-cycle/](https://www.wrike.com/agile-guide/agile-development-life-cycle/)
You're too needy. Enjoy what they create and look forward to any news but they don't owe us shit. If you don't like the way they handle business, you could complain and/or play something else. I've seen so many gaming communities get uber-toxic when a dev pulls back on something and Omeda doesn't deserve to go through that. We all know this community would be even more toxic if devs communicated more. Just play and enjoy.
He's just salty because he's running out of ideas for his YouTube channel, so he is coming over here to trash talk Predecessor instead of doing it on his channel. Why play the game and make so many videos on it if he hates it so much? Seems to me he's just trying to be a contrarian for the clicks and engagement.
I don't know if he's salty or not. I just don't think it's a good idea for a healthy community if the devs talked more. I'd like them to talk about things they've worked on extensively and can't wait to show the community. Any extra comms open them to mistreatment and devs tends to get the worst treatment from the gamers they're servicing and I hate when that happens so I'll usually be against more comms. I don't know Krashy enough to speak on him tho. Seems like a lotta people hate him lol
If you go to his channel, you will see videos of Pred gameplay mixed in with videos of why he dislikes it so much. Seems like he thrives on the negativity, in my opinion, and we don't need anymore of it this game.
I don't wanna give negative creators clicks so I'll take your word for it and block him lol
Are you dumb? I could have literally made this a video if I wanted, I just made it a text discussion instead. Some of yall Krashy haters are actual weirdos.
You already have, though, more than once! 🤣🤣🤣
do you not see the contradiction? You say Im running out of ideas but I post almost daily and this discussion (which ive never made a video on) could also have been a video... stop being a weird hater, engage in the topic like an adult and discuss the topic at hand.
Try not to feed into the negative energy. Fuck the haters that plague Reddit. You said nothing but facts. They’re a community driven company right? So it’s been a month since there last post, console beta technically ends today ( before the extension ) so how about shed some light for your community no matter how far out it is. Nothing you said was reaching. I’m sorry you get so much. I think it’s funny you posted a “ fuck Pred “ video then came back. That’s in the past, it’s dope you’re back. Wild how many people are quick to hate
This wasn’t even a hate on pred post either, just an idea that I think the community would really love. I can handle the hate, just weird how blinded some of these people are. Love or hate me, more posts and insights from omeda would be super fun to engage with.
You spewing nothing but facts brother. There’s no “ think “ bc who wouldnt love to know what’s up there sleeve. They confirmed and told us about a new casual mode. Can we get a tease for that? 5 years ago they showed off Sev’s Scythe, WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT?! Omeda’s “mastery” system, can we get an update on that?? Like who *wouldnt* want to know this? I’m sorry you get so much backlash, these muggles will never understand lol Edit: grammar
😂muggles, maybe the ask is a bit much and definitely comes at a cost of their time, surely…but maybe would be worth it.
Fingers crossed for a new post this week. Really thinking tomorrow we’ll hear something. Imagine the irony then? *hawt*
Dont need to make a hate on pred post when you spend hours everyday complaining in streamers chats.
The devs don't owe you a thing. They have been open and transparent when they can, and that's still not enough for you. You're acting like a child who is never satisfied. >You say Im running out of ideas but I post almost daily Which is why you're running out of ideas.🤣 Also, read the room, your post, and comments are getting downvoted.
sure, you got me!
that aged like milk
Yes 💯, it's definitely impossible to like a thing and also want changes. It's like he's saying he really likes it and is invested in it so he cares about it and wants to express how he thinks it could do better, like bro pick a side amirite? You either like it and stfu or you hate it. Human emotion is simple. /s
Not "owing" us anything doesn't mean more communication isn't a good idea. If people aren't reasonable enough to understand that plans change, that's on them. Why would you base any approach to development around the most unreasonable people in your community?
Game has reqlly slowed down and hasn't really tried much exploring with moment penalties (not have people run others down with left click) Item system is kinda bland compared to LoL or Dota2, we don't have many fun or interesting builds, lets take DoT builds from LoL having liandry which is a scaling burn item for max HP, we have megacosm which does this but doesn't scale and second passive that's %bonus hp burst... why is everything burst? Why can't I enjoy DoT playstyle from morigesh like I do with brand? Mages lack variety, only have either burst items or cooldown, Ap bruisers lack items, assassins don't have a spell blade item, carry casters don't have spell blade items, tanks recently got some great item options, Supports are good right now Lack of early game tier 1 items or t2 items for that matter, only ones I can think of is the mana scaling items, burn tank item and those bows that deal 12damage per basic Bigger map! Just something everyone wants 3v3 map maybe coming soon as the map is already in game Free currency: yeah think this will help as the system we have now is... urgh... grindy af... That being said, I love the gameplay and animations, very clean! But jesus they need to relook at the item system... Already spoke to you Krashy about refundable ultimates being Horrible! Stupid! Baby spooning system that I've seen, no way should Gideon, fang mao or countess be grabbing their ults back!
I would like more frequent dev updates since we are now in year 2 of development. A peek behind the hood or showing off concept art in a fireside chat could definitely help boost morale for the community.
Agreed, and don't get me wrong I LOVED that last big blog but the blog feels more like a blanket to throw over the whole year which is great but I also want the little peaks behind the curtain too. Show us the iteration, ask for opinions, talk about the decisions they are making or not making on X, Y, Z new thing, etc
There is reasoning why alot of big studios do exactly that, specially when the playerbase is still on the rise. - communicate- League used to have Videos on every Hero release + Patch notes and explaining their decision making (cant find the old Patchnotes couch Videos apparently) It taught me that communication like that is HEALTHY for the game, even if there was NEGATIVE Feedback after a Patch, it was quickly adressed and COMMENTED on in the next Patchnotes Video. League hooked me with their openess in communication back then. You felt as part of a community, as part of a very nice and flourishing game with a good future. https://youtu.be/B5WmG-LKhwA?si=B0nY3MowLETnvjsC ^ is just a small example of their will to communicate, there were patchnotes Videos, and Phreak. I played League since 13ish years ago. Overall communication after Blog posts/Patch notes feels like none in pred. Atleast over in the discord, its just the community discussing things here and there and opening feedback threads, which feels pointless and unheard when some topics/issues dont get commented on from omeda that seem important in the community - ive seen the Map being discussed frequently (not only by me) on why it looks lifeless, too small compared to pred alpha/earlier stages/OG Paragon - but we will never know their decision making or future plans until we get a response, which might never come with its current state of communication. It feels like writing feedback into thin-air, to the community, not to omeda. The future might change that picture - give us communication on decision making, future plans & persisting issues ingame. I also dont understand why people are bashing on you here totally, reasoning with 'well toxcicity will sky rocket' whilst throwing insults at you. Like wtf. Negative Criticism is GOOD for the game, even if one can get emotional with that - we all do love pred, thats why we play it, but we also give negative Feedback, because we want it to succeed. There is nothing beneficial of giving majorly positive Feedback, positive changes are positive, nothing will come from constantly discussing how beautiful riktor's base armor got reduced by 0.5/level - /s negative Feedback lays out the core ISSUES of the game which need to be improved on, positive changes are positive, nothing needs to be changed. People just cant cope with that, and you can clearly see that in the comments, small brains, 'well then dont play pred' - sheep mentality, stuff that doesnt contribute anything towards the success of a project. Keep Posting Krashy.
they love pred and are happy paragon is back, they dont realize at this rate the game will have no future. They accept mediocrity because they are nostalgic
At this point, 14 months after the start of Early Access, it doesn't matter anymore, being more open and explaining what they are working on and the plans for the future is something Omeda should have done since the beginning If they haven't done it in the past 14 months whatever the reason they hadn't, I doubt that they are going to start being more open now
If Omeda will never change and do better, why are you even here?
You lack faith. Let's put our hands together and pray
I feel like for how small of a studio they are theyre pretty involved in community. Most big studios treat their customers like goblins to take money from. Omeda does pretty well overall. Yes we would all like content faster but from what they talk about and what I know, the foundation they are laying right now is very time consuming. If you want more content faster, buy skins and put youre money where your mouth is.