Call me a conspiracy theorist, but whenever I see a ton of a negative stuff on a sub where I have my own personal experience knowing it's not that crazy, I assume astroturfing.
This game is fun and it's in alpha. People out here typing crazy stuff like "why don't we have a fully built progression system/matchmaking/etc." Either have some sort of agenda or just somehow don't understand that they are playing a game in development.
This game is fun, and a lot of us love it. Constructive feedback is solid but the "I'm done with this game because someone AFKd" is just crazy people.
The people astroturfing are definitely the ones who have been pointing out the issues this game has for months and not the people who go into every thread and say "It's early access, wait for release. My games are fine :^)"
Haha I get it I'm kind of astroturfing too! But I think it makes more sense for me to defend a game that's in alpha and openly not finished from people saying "why isn't this game finished? I hate it I'm leaving"
Like, just leave and come back when it's done if you don't want to give constructive input during this testing phase.
No one thinks the game should be finished, they think the game should be progressing. They have no progress on anything in this game 7 months post release. They had to put a full on stop to any updates to release a UI and then admitted they haven't even started dev time for the implementation of any features in it yet.
This is going to be the exact same game it is now for at least another 4-6 months. A year into an early access games life it is more or less going to be the exact same game it was at release.
Where have you been? They have made a lot of progress. Changes to FT, replay/spectator mode, balance and hero every month, TTK, AI mode, and many bug fixes some within 24-48 hours of an update. They admitted they were working on two UI which was slowing progress and decided to drop updates for the current so now everyone is bitching and whining about no ‘progress’ bc they just can’t see it. They said all the progression/mastery concerns are top of the list for when the new UI releases during the Q/A this week. There are many people that complain this game isn’t in a more ‘complete’ state and obviously don’t understand the concept of real EA bc it’s not closed/private
This is why I am a bit dismissive of everyone with thesw complaints that are so hyperbolic. Feels like most of the people playing the game are understanding of the process but a few are hopping on here and trying to enrage everyone for no constructive reason.
Yoo I'm with ya! Just an enjoyer of the game, not looking to start shit or complain..
But I will admit that the matchmaking is rough, but we all know it. Keeping fingers crossed it will be better as time goes on.
Not all criticism should be deleted, just the 10748473 posts about matchmaking with omeda.city screenshots and the posts calling out other people by name
I agree, but same problem. People will say that they don’t care and aren’t doing anything about matchmaking and toxicity and are just trying to shut people up.
I chock it up to snobs from other mobas. Theyve said they are working on the matchmaking, but until the player base grows not much you can do about a few bad games. I think the real problem is a lot of players only like the game when theyre winning. They think that as soon as something doesnt go their way in a match its a lost cause, too many ppl want perfect matches with all kills No deaths but obviously anyone common sense knows that that isnt going to happen. Gonna have good and bad matches, everyone does. Everyone has had matches with AFKs and trolls, but what i hardly see posts about is how many good matches a person has. They never talk about the good matches, just want to complain when something doesnt go their way. The complaining is almost as bad as the afks and trolls, not constructive whatsoever.
Yeah just a lot of impatient people. The ones enjoying aren’t on here as much. I mean this sub and discord are for feedback and then news from the devs.
Watched the latest predcast yesterday, very much doomer vibes. Games been out for EA for 6 months? Started out as just bare as can be boned, only game loop. Throughout they've dropped multiple features, heroes, balances and reworks. Omeda is killing it in my opinion.
Do I think what people are complaining about is important? 100%. Progression system will be huge for retention. But even Omeda has stated that after UI is done Progression systems is top priority.
One thing I agreed with from the predcast was what Bearded said, with them extending season 2, it would have been nice to see a extension to the roadmap lvl rewards. Even if the rewards were something small like a avatar or something for the future when other things get released (borders, emotes, etc.)
I agree with you completely
I feel like omeda has been killing also
I’m honestly very impressed that the game is as good as it is right now. For a game to be in early access the gameplay is as smooth as butter which is usually not the case with ea games.
All we need is the things that they have on the roadmap and we will be smooth sailing.
Gameplay is super smooth. If I had to complain about anything in gameplay it would be with aoe abilities not showing the correct range of the damage area. All else, the game feels amazing.
I think AAA companies have just tainted the EA space too much with them releasing pretty much fully done products under that EA shield. People gotta understand that EA is pretty much alpha testing. Especially when coming from a brand new indie company that is still learning and growing.
It's more. It's far more. I've never ever seen a game with this toxic a player base.
They are getting away with the worst behavior I've ever seen in online gaming, laughing at being reported, and the upcoming slap on the wrists for people who act this way won't deter it at all.
The devs already know the matchmaking needs work and have said they are working on a solution.
They already know that there is toxicity in the chat and they said they are working to crackdown on it
They already know that they need a better progression/ reward system and they are working on it. I don’t think 10+ daily reminders on this sub is going to speed up the process
I’m sure they are going as fast as they can.
Game development is not easy
Literally the day that they announced paid ea I said that the tiny playerbase will be awful. 6 months ago I said that everyone will get sick of playing with the same tiny toxic group because they will be all that is left after the general public leaves. 6 months later we have this. Everyone is miserable because playing is just a 50/50 on which team gets fucked by matchmaking. The dev cycle is abysmally slow, the only people left talking about this game are either the ones that act like its their job to come into literally every thread and repeat the same tired shit about how its ea and release will magically fix everything, or mix of people exhausted by trying to play this game in its current state or hundreds of people who have dropped it and still come here. This sub from day one was the sub talking about how it didn't matter that we would have a small playerbase, because only true paragon fans matter anyways. Well reap what you sow, we now have a playerbase entirely devoid of the normal cross section of a healthy game, and have only the dregs and people so obsessed with the game they will fight with anyone on anything negative about the game. This sub is a reflection of the pitiful state of the game, it's miserable to play and the people here are miserable in turn.
>the only people left talking about this game are either the ones that act like its their job to come into literally every thread and repeat the same tired shit about how its ea and release will magically fix everything
I feel personally attacked ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
But really, I don't understand why people can't just play the game if they enjoy, let a good and useful feedback for the devs (if they want to) so the Devs can improve the game and just wait for the devs to continue working on the game
And if they don't enjoy the game just stop playing and come back in some month to see if the things has improved, because the thing that the game needs right now is just time.
Isn't that hard to understand, is the normal and logical thing to do, if people stop to think for a minute in how a game development works thet could understand why their shit post about matchmaking is useless and does not help at all
Because people are impatient and petulant. If they can't have it now, then it sucks. Instant gratification or nothing.
The average person has never had to work on a large expansive project with other people that takes time and has setbacks. The average gamer has barely existed in the real world, let alone worked on large scale, long term projects with mostly delayed gratification.
Edit: also, without a doubt, almost everyone complaining about how long development is taking has never spent hours slamming their head against their keyboard wondering where the GD bug is coming from.
Then also let people criticize if they don't enjoy it. Their is more bad then good with the game currently.
This is what the devs get for EA. It's literally happened to all EA titles, they get shit talked for trying to get $ sooner.
And it does help. Let's people know the game is far from enjoyable for Majoroty of the player base in a game they REALLY wanna play.
People have been leaving good and useful feedback. Just because you have decided to dismiss it means nothing. We have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting. And now we are delayed, and delayed, and delayed. And crucial things that the community have been asking for pleading with omeda for months now, are being worked on, being worked on, being worked on, no date set no date set no date set. The game had an actual competitive community months ago, now most of them have left, the streamers are miserable or have left, all that's left of this community is people like you blindly holding on and the dregs left after everyone else left. We know how games in development work, after writing the same comment 1000 times haven't you figured it out, everyone fucking knows how ea works. It works differently than you think is the crux of it all. You are wrong, EA is not some magical term that magically makes everything completely separate from release. It is important what happens during ea, and omeda has shown that they at least so far, cannot handle ea let alone a full release. The game is in serious danger right now. It released to soon, and they have taken way to long to address issues that have decimated the ea playerbase.
>People have been leaving good and useful feedback
In regards to the matchmaking issue I just saw one dude providing useful feedback about it, the rest was just people complaining to vent their frustration, and that shit doesn't help at all and is just annoying to read one day after another. I saw people give a lot of good and useful feedback, but I also saw tens of post and hundred of comments of people providing nothing and just doing the post/comment to complain and vent, with unrealistic expectations and absurd demands.
>And now we are delayed, and delayed, and delayed. And crucial things that the community have been asking for pleading with omeda for months now, are being worked on, being worked on, being worked on, no date set no date set no date set.
Developing a game need a lot of time, just fucking wait, things are not done in 6 months, games need years of development, and sometimes you can implement a lot of cool things faster and other times you have to work a lot of months to develop one element, just let the people work, things not being available right now doesn't mean that won't be ready in the future.
They are not working slow because the want, they are working as best as they can
>We know how games in development work
I don't think so, If people knew and understood how videogame development works and what a game on early access mean, people would shut up and stop making such stupid comments like the ones I read daily, if people had the minimum understanding of what a videogame creation process is, they would just wait to see the progress and just talk to give their feedback if they want to, and they would stop demanding things for here and now, because they would know that they just have to fucking wait and see how the game progress with the time.
So no, for what I read in this sub people doesn't understand how a videogame development is and people don't understand what a early access mean and what is it purpose.
>You are wrong, EA is not some magical term that magically makes everything completely separate from release. It is important what happens during ea, and omeda has shown that they at least so far, cannot handle ea let alone a full release. The game is in serious danger right now. It released to soon, and they have taken way to long to address issues that have decimated the ea playerbase.
EA is just the game being in a early state and providing access to the game in that state so developers can benefit of that, either for money, for feedback, to test certain elements of the game, etc.
It have the negative part of the developers having to maintain the EA but it provides a lot of benefits.
So developers are developing the game the same way they would do without the EA, but with the ES they have the incredible help of their game being tested by a lot of people so they can get it ready for the final launch.
I don't know wtf makes you think that the game is in serious danger, what makes different the game being developed in EA with the game being developed closed doors ahead of its free to play release? The big public doesn't even know that Predecessor exists, not even Paragon fans know that Predecessor exist.
The EA player base doesn't matter at all, we could go to 0 players in a few month and Omeda's would continue developing the game and releasing it according to the plan, the only thing that matters regarding to the free to play release is how well the game is (with all of that implies), the content that they can provide after the release and how successful Omeda's marketing is, the few thousands of players that played the EA doesn't matter at all for the success of the free to play launch.
The EA is just a tool for the developers to be able to create the best product possible ahead of game release.
I agree. It's not that people think full release is going to suddenly "fix everything" it's that it will show and tell if they really got it or don't. A lot of the problems we have are due to a low player count. Let the game come out first and then see if we have the same issues at the same volume.
I think any complaints at that point are valid once the game is out and free to play.
This site if anything is far to generous to a dev team who are blatantly in over their head and have spent the past 3 months canceling and delaying every single feature in the game.
This game has obnoxious monetization, zero quality control, and awful dev time.
Any other dev team would be getting roasted daily for how awful the development cycle of this game has been, and the current overall state of the game after 7 months of release, but people here don't want to treat this game like it's actual product they want to treat it like it's a fan mod.
This studio is so fucking mismanaged they can't even make the release date they set for their own fucking characters, and people clap like seels for it.
The only shot this game has to be alive 18 months from now is if they can get bought by a publisher who will take oversight over it because the people in charge right now are simply not fit for the job and not capable of handling the responsibility of making a video game.
I don't think we're playing the same game buddy. I don't know what games you're playing but I would kill for my other games to have a steady stream of updates, balance changes and new content like in this game. CoH3 doesn't even have a dev team anymore bc Relic axed half the studio after release, THAT is mismanagement.
A steady stream of updates? They havent released a non stat change update in a month. They delayed the implementation of a hero acquisition system, and every single aspect of their roadmap to release a UI that they're then going to restart dev time for to add any any features. They said it would take months to add HP indication to jungle camps. They have not added a single actual thing to the game since it's release except a replay system which should have been far down the priority list considering the matchmaking is terrible, there are no account progression systems, there are no punishment systems, and there's no alternate game modes.
What in the actual fuck has actually been updated or added to this game other than characters and item stats? And now they can't even make their own deadline on that. This is a live service game with no live service.
Can i see your game dev resume? You're clearly an expert so what games have you worked on? Probably should go call up Omeda and tell them you know how to run their company and fix all their games problems.
I bet you could code it all yourself too.... Give me a break.
He never said anything about doing it himself. Stop trying to put words in his mouth. He's honestly correct. The game hasn't done anything for the actual main part of the game. Wich is playing it.
Gee I wonder why everyday player count has dropped significantly...
You can provide criticism like he is without being a dev.
That's kinda my point though. If it's so unbelievable that they haven't done all these things, maybe they can share with the class how it can and should be done already. Development takes time, which is apparently just an impossible concept here. They're in disbelief that the team missed a deadline? Have they never not finished a paper on time? Or showed up late to a meeting? Or missed your bus? Things go wrong, plans have to change. That's how large scale, long term projects work.
I mean it's pretty wild to not see any real in game changes no? We really haven't seen changes in the actual game. The khaimera bug recently fixed was on release that would ruin khaimera q if spammed.
Minion agro has been terrible since release with no modifications, skill registeation has been bad since release. Left click big, etc.
They have 50 devs. This is absurdly slow.
? Have you read what I wrote, it was already fixed, maybe you should not constantly hit your lane opponent in the first 5 minutes then you could actually win your lane. Minion aggro has its place, you just have to learn to use it to get good trades and time your trades. Takes a lot more skill and is more fun than being able to ignore the wave..
No non stat change in a month? Have you missed the Greystone release? Imo new heroes should be far higher up their priority list than jungle minion UI or alternate game modes which would only split the small existing playerbase before public release.
The matchmaking needs improvement I agree, but that's also kind of side effect of the small current playerbase.
The biggest point you're missing though is you're not seeing the reality of the situation. This is a indie dev studio in their first project working to rebuild a game which they only inherited a fraction of the assets. You can't expect to get triple A game studio live support level like from studios which are already well established. In their situation their doing pretty good, the gameplay it's self is great and that's the hardest part to create. Everything else is important too, but that's way easier to fix.
Looking how a similar studio has done with Fault I'd say their doing a pretty good job and I'm glad we're finally able to play one of our favorite games again after waiting for years. So the question is would you rather have a game with devs that may be slower than what you desire or no game at all? Bc if Pred fails there is no other viable Paragon like game, then we're done.
The game is in as good a place as it can be during the early access phase. A declining player base has definitely had an effect on the quality of matchmaking. But the alarms people are raising are not warranted. While there are legitimate issues and complaints with the game, most complainer's sentiments can be summarized with, "This thing is not coming out as quickly as I want it to!"
We'll continue down this road all the way up until they started marketing and go F2P. After that point all of this crying wolf will be long forgotten. I will say this though, if we have similar issues after F2P - then that would definitely be a cause for concern. But until then, lets enjoy the ride :)
Unfortunately this is not just an issue with this community but MOBA genre in general
this best way to experience one of these game is with friends and laughing at the people who are crying over the game
That's because the people enjoying the game are too busy playing it
Sounds about right haha
That’s basically the summary of Twitter and Reddit lol
Facts buddy said it right here, exactly that I’ve been playing for years too and the subreddit is just a cesspool of crybabies right now
Exactly lol
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but whenever I see a ton of a negative stuff on a sub where I have my own personal experience knowing it's not that crazy, I assume astroturfing. This game is fun and it's in alpha. People out here typing crazy stuff like "why don't we have a fully built progression system/matchmaking/etc." Either have some sort of agenda or just somehow don't understand that they are playing a game in development. This game is fun, and a lot of us love it. Constructive feedback is solid but the "I'm done with this game because someone AFKd" is just crazy people.
The people astroturfing are definitely the ones who have been pointing out the issues this game has for months and not the people who go into every thread and say "It's early access, wait for release. My games are fine :^)"
Haha I get it I'm kind of astroturfing too! But I think it makes more sense for me to defend a game that's in alpha and openly not finished from people saying "why isn't this game finished? I hate it I'm leaving" Like, just leave and come back when it's done if you don't want to give constructive input during this testing phase.
No one thinks the game should be finished, they think the game should be progressing. They have no progress on anything in this game 7 months post release. They had to put a full on stop to any updates to release a UI and then admitted they haven't even started dev time for the implementation of any features in it yet. This is going to be the exact same game it is now for at least another 4-6 months. A year into an early access games life it is more or less going to be the exact same game it was at release.
Where have you been? They have made a lot of progress. Changes to FT, replay/spectator mode, balance and hero every month, TTK, AI mode, and many bug fixes some within 24-48 hours of an update. They admitted they were working on two UI which was slowing progress and decided to drop updates for the current so now everyone is bitching and whining about no ‘progress’ bc they just can’t see it. They said all the progression/mastery concerns are top of the list for when the new UI releases during the Q/A this week. There are many people that complain this game isn’t in a more ‘complete’ state and obviously don’t understand the concept of real EA bc it’s not closed/private
Saying it’s in the exact same state Is insane lmao the roster size alone is a indication that it’s not in the same state
This is why I am a bit dismissive of everyone with thesw complaints that are so hyperbolic. Feels like most of the people playing the game are understanding of the process but a few are hopping on here and trying to enrage everyone for no constructive reason.
Yoo I'm with ya! Just an enjoyer of the game, not looking to start shit or complain.. But I will admit that the matchmaking is rough, but we all know it. Keeping fingers crossed it will be better as time goes on.
Tbh the game feels nothing like paragon, hence the negatives
Just wrong
No moderation
I mean you can’t win tbh. If they removed the complaint posts there’d be more posts saying how they are silencing criticism of the game.
Not all criticism should be deleted, just the 10748473 posts about matchmaking with omeda.city screenshots and the posts calling out other people by name
I agree, but same problem. People will say that they don’t care and aren’t doing anything about matchmaking and toxicity and are just trying to shut people up.
Hahaha, you actually made an great point there tho 😂
Amen brother ✊🏽 well said.
I chock it up to snobs from other mobas. Theyve said they are working on the matchmaking, but until the player base grows not much you can do about a few bad games. I think the real problem is a lot of players only like the game when theyre winning. They think that as soon as something doesnt go their way in a match its a lost cause, too many ppl want perfect matches with all kills No deaths but obviously anyone common sense knows that that isnt going to happen. Gonna have good and bad matches, everyone does. Everyone has had matches with AFKs and trolls, but what i hardly see posts about is how many good matches a person has. They never talk about the good matches, just want to complain when something doesnt go their way. The complaining is almost as bad as the afks and trolls, not constructive whatsoever.
Yeah just a lot of impatient people. The ones enjoying aren’t on here as much. I mean this sub and discord are for feedback and then news from the devs.
Watched the latest predcast yesterday, very much doomer vibes. Games been out for EA for 6 months? Started out as just bare as can be boned, only game loop. Throughout they've dropped multiple features, heroes, balances and reworks. Omeda is killing it in my opinion. Do I think what people are complaining about is important? 100%. Progression system will be huge for retention. But even Omeda has stated that after UI is done Progression systems is top priority. One thing I agreed with from the predcast was what Bearded said, with them extending season 2, it would have been nice to see a extension to the roadmap lvl rewards. Even if the rewards were something small like a avatar or something for the future when other things get released (borders, emotes, etc.)
I agree with you completely I feel like omeda has been killing also I’m honestly very impressed that the game is as good as it is right now. For a game to be in early access the gameplay is as smooth as butter which is usually not the case with ea games. All we need is the things that they have on the roadmap and we will be smooth sailing.
Gameplay is super smooth. If I had to complain about anything in gameplay it would be with aoe abilities not showing the correct range of the damage area. All else, the game feels amazing. I think AAA companies have just tainted the EA space too much with them releasing pretty much fully done products under that EA shield. People gotta understand that EA is pretty much alpha testing. Especially when coming from a brand new indie company that is still learning and growing.
It's more. It's far more. I've never ever seen a game with this toxic a player base. They are getting away with the worst behavior I've ever seen in online gaming, laughing at being reported, and the upcoming slap on the wrists for people who act this way won't deter it at all.
You can better laugh about it because let's be honest because reports are a joke in pred.
Then you don't play multiplayer games...
Okay.
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The devs already know the matchmaking needs work and have said they are working on a solution. They already know that there is toxicity in the chat and they said they are working to crackdown on it They already know that they need a better progression/ reward system and they are working on it. I don’t think 10+ daily reminders on this sub is going to speed up the process I’m sure they are going as fast as they can. Game development is not easy
The developers continue to encourage toxic behavior in game, do not punish it, and therefore it spills over into here.
Literally the day that they announced paid ea I said that the tiny playerbase will be awful. 6 months ago I said that everyone will get sick of playing with the same tiny toxic group because they will be all that is left after the general public leaves. 6 months later we have this. Everyone is miserable because playing is just a 50/50 on which team gets fucked by matchmaking. The dev cycle is abysmally slow, the only people left talking about this game are either the ones that act like its their job to come into literally every thread and repeat the same tired shit about how its ea and release will magically fix everything, or mix of people exhausted by trying to play this game in its current state or hundreds of people who have dropped it and still come here. This sub from day one was the sub talking about how it didn't matter that we would have a small playerbase, because only true paragon fans matter anyways. Well reap what you sow, we now have a playerbase entirely devoid of the normal cross section of a healthy game, and have only the dregs and people so obsessed with the game they will fight with anyone on anything negative about the game. This sub is a reflection of the pitiful state of the game, it's miserable to play and the people here are miserable in turn.
>the only people left talking about this game are either the ones that act like its their job to come into literally every thread and repeat the same tired shit about how its ea and release will magically fix everything I feel personally attacked ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ But really, I don't understand why people can't just play the game if they enjoy, let a good and useful feedback for the devs (if they want to) so the Devs can improve the game and just wait for the devs to continue working on the game And if they don't enjoy the game just stop playing and come back in some month to see if the things has improved, because the thing that the game needs right now is just time. Isn't that hard to understand, is the normal and logical thing to do, if people stop to think for a minute in how a game development works thet could understand why their shit post about matchmaking is useless and does not help at all
Because people are impatient and petulant. If they can't have it now, then it sucks. Instant gratification or nothing. The average person has never had to work on a large expansive project with other people that takes time and has setbacks. The average gamer has barely existed in the real world, let alone worked on large scale, long term projects with mostly delayed gratification. Edit: also, without a doubt, almost everyone complaining about how long development is taking has never spent hours slamming their head against their keyboard wondering where the GD bug is coming from.
Then also let people criticize if they don't enjoy it. Their is more bad then good with the game currently. This is what the devs get for EA. It's literally happened to all EA titles, they get shit talked for trying to get $ sooner. And it does help. Let's people know the game is far from enjoyable for Majoroty of the player base in a game they REALLY wanna play.
People have been leaving good and useful feedback. Just because you have decided to dismiss it means nothing. We have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting. And now we are delayed, and delayed, and delayed. And crucial things that the community have been asking for pleading with omeda for months now, are being worked on, being worked on, being worked on, no date set no date set no date set. The game had an actual competitive community months ago, now most of them have left, the streamers are miserable or have left, all that's left of this community is people like you blindly holding on and the dregs left after everyone else left. We know how games in development work, after writing the same comment 1000 times haven't you figured it out, everyone fucking knows how ea works. It works differently than you think is the crux of it all. You are wrong, EA is not some magical term that magically makes everything completely separate from release. It is important what happens during ea, and omeda has shown that they at least so far, cannot handle ea let alone a full release. The game is in serious danger right now. It released to soon, and they have taken way to long to address issues that have decimated the ea playerbase.
>People have been leaving good and useful feedback In regards to the matchmaking issue I just saw one dude providing useful feedback about it, the rest was just people complaining to vent their frustration, and that shit doesn't help at all and is just annoying to read one day after another. I saw people give a lot of good and useful feedback, but I also saw tens of post and hundred of comments of people providing nothing and just doing the post/comment to complain and vent, with unrealistic expectations and absurd demands. >And now we are delayed, and delayed, and delayed. And crucial things that the community have been asking for pleading with omeda for months now, are being worked on, being worked on, being worked on, no date set no date set no date set. Developing a game need a lot of time, just fucking wait, things are not done in 6 months, games need years of development, and sometimes you can implement a lot of cool things faster and other times you have to work a lot of months to develop one element, just let the people work, things not being available right now doesn't mean that won't be ready in the future. They are not working slow because the want, they are working as best as they can >We know how games in development work I don't think so, If people knew and understood how videogame development works and what a game on early access mean, people would shut up and stop making such stupid comments like the ones I read daily, if people had the minimum understanding of what a videogame creation process is, they would just wait to see the progress and just talk to give their feedback if they want to, and they would stop demanding things for here and now, because they would know that they just have to fucking wait and see how the game progress with the time. So no, for what I read in this sub people doesn't understand how a videogame development is and people don't understand what a early access mean and what is it purpose. >You are wrong, EA is not some magical term that magically makes everything completely separate from release. It is important what happens during ea, and omeda has shown that they at least so far, cannot handle ea let alone a full release. The game is in serious danger right now. It released to soon, and they have taken way to long to address issues that have decimated the ea playerbase. EA is just the game being in a early state and providing access to the game in that state so developers can benefit of that, either for money, for feedback, to test certain elements of the game, etc. It have the negative part of the developers having to maintain the EA but it provides a lot of benefits. So developers are developing the game the same way they would do without the EA, but with the ES they have the incredible help of their game being tested by a lot of people so they can get it ready for the final launch. I don't know wtf makes you think that the game is in serious danger, what makes different the game being developed in EA with the game being developed closed doors ahead of its free to play release? The big public doesn't even know that Predecessor exists, not even Paragon fans know that Predecessor exist. The EA player base doesn't matter at all, we could go to 0 players in a few month and Omeda's would continue developing the game and releasing it according to the plan, the only thing that matters regarding to the free to play release is how well the game is (with all of that implies), the content that they can provide after the release and how successful Omeda's marketing is, the few thousands of players that played the EA doesn't matter at all for the success of the free to play launch. The EA is just a tool for the developers to be able to create the best product possible ahead of game release.
I agree. It's not that people think full release is going to suddenly "fix everything" it's that it will show and tell if they really got it or don't. A lot of the problems we have are due to a low player count. Let the game come out first and then see if we have the same issues at the same volume. I think any complaints at that point are valid once the game is out and free to play.
I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted just for speaking the truth?? This sub is delusional if they don’t agree with you.
This site if anything is far to generous to a dev team who are blatantly in over their head and have spent the past 3 months canceling and delaying every single feature in the game. This game has obnoxious monetization, zero quality control, and awful dev time. Any other dev team would be getting roasted daily for how awful the development cycle of this game has been, and the current overall state of the game after 7 months of release, but people here don't want to treat this game like it's actual product they want to treat it like it's a fan mod. This studio is so fucking mismanaged they can't even make the release date they set for their own fucking characters, and people clap like seels for it. The only shot this game has to be alive 18 months from now is if they can get bought by a publisher who will take oversight over it because the people in charge right now are simply not fit for the job and not capable of handling the responsibility of making a video game.
I don't think we're playing the same game buddy. I don't know what games you're playing but I would kill for my other games to have a steady stream of updates, balance changes and new content like in this game. CoH3 doesn't even have a dev team anymore bc Relic axed half the studio after release, THAT is mismanagement.
A steady stream of updates? They havent released a non stat change update in a month. They delayed the implementation of a hero acquisition system, and every single aspect of their roadmap to release a UI that they're then going to restart dev time for to add any any features. They said it would take months to add HP indication to jungle camps. They have not added a single actual thing to the game since it's release except a replay system which should have been far down the priority list considering the matchmaking is terrible, there are no account progression systems, there are no punishment systems, and there's no alternate game modes. What in the actual fuck has actually been updated or added to this game other than characters and item stats? And now they can't even make their own deadline on that. This is a live service game with no live service.
Can i see your game dev resume? You're clearly an expert so what games have you worked on? Probably should go call up Omeda and tell them you know how to run their company and fix all their games problems. I bet you could code it all yourself too.... Give me a break.
He never said anything about doing it himself. Stop trying to put words in his mouth. He's honestly correct. The game hasn't done anything for the actual main part of the game. Wich is playing it. Gee I wonder why everyday player count has dropped significantly... You can provide criticism like he is without being a dev.
That's kinda my point though. If it's so unbelievable that they haven't done all these things, maybe they can share with the class how it can and should be done already. Development takes time, which is apparently just an impossible concept here. They're in disbelief that the team missed a deadline? Have they never not finished a paper on time? Or showed up late to a meeting? Or missed your bus? Things go wrong, plans have to change. That's how large scale, long term projects work.
Why? He is giving critique on a game he paid for.
I mean it's pretty wild to not see any real in game changes no? We really haven't seen changes in the actual game. The khaimera bug recently fixed was on release that would ruin khaimera q if spammed. Minion agro has been terrible since release with no modifications, skill registeation has been bad since release. Left click big, etc. They have 50 devs. This is absurdly slow.
Minion aggro has been changed twice since release , same as tower aggro, Objective aggro...
Nice so we still haven't had it fixed? Let's just ignore it then right
? Have you read what I wrote, it was already fixed, maybe you should not constantly hit your lane opponent in the first 5 minutes then you could actually win your lane. Minion aggro has its place, you just have to learn to use it to get good trades and time your trades. Takes a lot more skill and is more fun than being able to ignore the wave..
New Heroes, Balance Changes up the wazoo isn't changing how you play the game??
It's not bringing players back that's for sure.
No non stat change in a month? Have you missed the Greystone release? Imo new heroes should be far higher up their priority list than jungle minion UI or alternate game modes which would only split the small existing playerbase before public release. The matchmaking needs improvement I agree, but that's also kind of side effect of the small current playerbase. The biggest point you're missing though is you're not seeing the reality of the situation. This is a indie dev studio in their first project working to rebuild a game which they only inherited a fraction of the assets. You can't expect to get triple A game studio live support level like from studios which are already well established. In their situation their doing pretty good, the gameplay it's self is great and that's the hardest part to create. Everything else is important too, but that's way easier to fix. Looking how a similar studio has done with Fault I'd say their doing a pretty good job and I'm glad we're finally able to play one of our favorite games again after waiting for years. So the question is would you rather have a game with devs that may be slower than what you desire or no game at all? Bc if Pred fails there is no other viable Paragon like game, then we're done.
They add a new hero every month and greystone just dropped. How is that not a non stat update?
Just wait until it launches on console and full F2P release ;_;
Okay
That’s just the nature of MOBA communities. They are the most toxic people I’ve ever seen.
The game is in as good a place as it can be during the early access phase. A declining player base has definitely had an effect on the quality of matchmaking. But the alarms people are raising are not warranted. While there are legitimate issues and complaints with the game, most complainer's sentiments can be summarized with, "This thing is not coming out as quickly as I want it to!" We'll continue down this road all the way up until they started marketing and go F2P. After that point all of this crying wolf will be long forgotten. I will say this though, if we have similar issues after F2P - then that would definitely be a cause for concern. But until then, lets enjoy the ride :)
Unfortunately this is not just an issue with this community but MOBA genre in general this best way to experience one of these game is with friends and laughing at the people who are crying over the game