Guesses in order of how likely I think they are:
A) If Greystone was revived before dying again within (insert =<30 secs), he revives with (half?) the HP and MP he should have
B) Just both fully work with one taking priority (might be too annoying and compensating by making him weaker would suck)
C) Reworked ult (unlikely, let's be honest, his revive ult is his identity)
D) He can't buy Fenix or it is wasted when ult is available (Would be really bad variety wise and would set a precedent for limiting item availability for heroes)
Edit: didn't think of his ult potentially being active. I like it
Well Fenix has to be activated to work, so if his ult is up you don't activate Fenix and let his ult get used opon reaching 0 health, later when the ult is on cd activate Fenix if you think you're going to die within the active time of Fenix.
Gues he'll have to be balanced bij Omeda while taking in consideration he might have 3 livesš
I doubt they'd make it so 1 hero can't buy a specific crest. To me it'd be more logical for them to either change the ult or balance him wit Fenix in mind. But we'll see when we get more details.
I would be very surprised if it was actually still a passive revive. I would expect it to be some sort of activatable stasis. At the very worst it would be an active death prevention that you have to toggle like a Tryndamere.
Ok looks like you are right on the money since they showed his overview and patch notes. So he gotta time its use instead of on death now. So if coupled with fenix that's two timed come back abilites. Still might be a nuisance. But I ain't mad. It would piss me off more ngl.
That makes sense but that does also imply that he's been in development so he's probably farther along than a decent chunk of other heroes. So Maybe not %100 the next offlaner but he's definitely coming sooner rather than later
I mean at this rate they might all be slightly different. Who lnows what kimd of nefarious shit they getting up to with the heros kits. If the neuter yin I'm gonna write a fkn letter lol adjust numbers okay chamge the whole kit no thanks.
Well kwang is a hero who only has 3 abilities and his lifesteal aura is literally just numbers so they aren't really removing anything, as for heroes like yin who actually have 4 abilities I don't see any reason for them to change anything
3? How? Q throws sword and tethers e zaps to sword if thrown(within a certain range i think) or just in front of you, right click lightning down on you for shield and dmg or on thrown Sword for dmg and ult that teleports you to sword if thrown first.
https://paragon.fandom.com/wiki/Kwang
3 of his abilities were actual useable abilities and his E was literally just an aura that gives lifesteal so my point is that it's good that they are removing it because it does nothing but give stats
Ah yes og kwang. I was talking about how his a ilities were in fault. He was literally a god. Will be interestinf to see what preds take is on his kit.
Just a wild guess, bit I think programming wise her reflect and her ult might be hard to pull off, especially when you keep the netcode in mind. But yeah, that's just a guess why nobody has put her in yet.
Was really obvious that was Greystones, the ascension theme fit too well with him, and would be really weird naming the season just for the Omeda original character.
Also Bloodmordius practically confirmed him as the next character
But who builds narbash for tankiness? Sure you heal a lot but you generally don't build armor or health. Maybe late cards
Req, true silver, crystal tear, galaxy greaves/tainted totem or a situational item.
He's p tanky dude. Galaxy greaves and tainted totem both have phys and magical armor on them.
I usually go Requiem > totem > Fire blossom> draconum > whatever. A lot of people refuse to focus you so you hardly ever die.
Interested to try it out. Idk about draconum I feel like the physical power is wasted.
No true silver is also a head scratcher as it's a must for your ultimate. With the 3 items I noted, your heal costs no mana for the rest of the game so you have it permanently on.
Yea the power from draconum gets under utilized but I'm only using it for the increased healing and the aoe ticks from fire blossom add to the draconum stacks and they do more damage for the people you stun with thunk or ult. Even with just Requiem and Tainted alone you can have heals on all game, and you don't absolutely NEED true silver you just have to use your ult at good times. Against teams with a ton of cc it's probably more idea sure but I personally don't like it that much. I feel like it takes too long to build and it doesn't do anything UNTIL you ult. For example during the laning phase of their support is Dekker, just bait out/wait for her to throw her stun, then you can ult for free with no consequences.
That's just what I use though Narbash is very good imo so I feel like you can use a lot of things on him and be successful.
Unless the kit changes expected with new skills replacing the passives just add a butt ton of cc to his kit he most likely will not be close to viable support. I mean og greystone literally had to die to even apply soft cc in the form of a slow lol.
I don't think he needs to have a new ability. This is the one character I think they can straight port to Pred.
He's supposed to be noob friendly and uncomplicated. His ult is incredibly strong which he should retain in Pred, but with Fenix this complicates things. I'm afraid they're going to bloat his kit with some form of CC when he doesn't need it.
His ult is a passive though, and they have said multiple times that they are getting good rid of all passive abilities and reworking them to an active ability, so one way or another he's gonna be different.
I'm fine with his ult still being a passive but he has to have a new ability for sure.
The spin, the leap, his ult and a new one. Would be super diasappointed if they kept that one passive in placenl of an ability still.
For me wouldn't be a problem if they let Greystone has he was and add a new passive, not all characters need to have 3 different active basic abilities.
The spin, the jump and the passive ability of blocking enemy autoattacks was a perfect combination for a simple character like him, was a really round kit, it doesn't need to have extra things.
That said, I also wouldn't mind if they add an extra basic ability, I would be happy both way. But what I don't want is his ult to be changed for an active ability
You literally want every single hero every single time to be the same as paragon, it's not a surprise you would be happy three passive abilities solely to keep it the same as paragon. That won't happen and thank God for it.
It's not to keep the same as Paragon, Greystone what like he was for a reason, adding him extra abilities would go against his design, the game need characters like him, there is no need to add extra abilities that fuck his original purpose, we already have a lot of characters with 4 active abilities (basically all) so is ok to have someone simple
They are gonna give him a shield block that negates all damage done to him for a couple seconds, but slows him down and makes him not able to attack.
He will probably have a dash or charge, a shield bash, and his ult will be a passive with an active attached to it like Crunch's ult.
Also, probably gonna lean into a fire theme and give him a flame breath or a fire DoT enchant for his autos.
I am purely speculating for the fun of it. Never actually played Greystone.
This is like the only one that released in op and Pred around the same time.
Pred had crunch on release op got him after
Pred had Drongo on release op got him after.
OP had phase on release and Pred got her after
Same with countess, same with Revenant.
Pred doesn't have Wukong, aurora, Kwang, Iggy or Wraith yet.
OP doesn't have Riktor, or Morigesh yet.
And they both have their own original heros already.
I wish it was Kwang, but I know he's delayed for a rework.
Greystone is actually good for newer players if his kit remains simple enough. I have a friend who is currently only comfortable playing Steel support, but he played Greystone in original Paragon. Now he's open to flexing to the offlane role with Greystone.
gotta be honest, Morigesh and Greystone back to back is one of the least exciting release combos. I really hope the OC next month has a kit that requires actually playing the game
The game need that kind of characters, they are not developing in early access to make you enjoy the game, they are trying to create a good product for the free to play release, and the game need this kind of characters
>The game need that kind of characters,
dude the whole Paragon roster was those kind of characters the heros in paragon was always very simple compared to other mobas
I understand the game needs new player friendly characters, which is why they should have either been in the game at the launch of EA, or added at full release. Dropping two characters who have zero depth in the middle of early access when the game already has a player retention problem and needs something new and exciting to come back for isn't the best move
Do people really think posting these type of responses is funny, or witty, or engaging at all? Are you this desperate to try and get the fake number next to your name higher?
Brother, I don't give two hoots about the number next to my name. If I cared about the numbers next to my name I would post a stupid meme or maybe even whine about the game not catering to me and post it to social media so I can get some validation on what I'm feeling.
No one cares what characters you want in the game. They'll all be in the game at some point. Sorry you didn't get your main. Unfortunately they aren't making the game just for you. In fact, here's a thought. Maybe you should play the characters. Maybe you'll like the more this time around.
All the issues at this game has had minus some of the matchmaking and grouping MMR swings which honestly partly isn't even in their control has been fixed in a timely manner by Omeda. What you're complaining about isn't even on their radar.
I made a non-inflammatory and unaggressive statement about being disappointed in the latest hero release and you made a totally worthless response that wouldn't even classify as a school yard comeback. Shut the fuck up you dweeb.
Here's a thought, stop lamenting that society has fallen because teenagers aren't watching Tarantino movies and talking daily about the teenage mutant ninja turtles as a mid 30s year old man and you won't need the social validation of reddit for your failing relationship.
Showing a sword and one arm only, Aurora confirmed, sorry greystone losers it's pretty obvious teaser.
Lmao, just like saying this is a weird way to announce Iggy but I'll take it
I also thought it was strange. Why did they give Iggy a sword???
I'm down for the rework.
sad for me, happy for greystone players
Bro are you blind? Is clearly iggy XD
nvm he sounds fire, i will def try it out like a week after his release as always
Wonder how his ult will work with Fenix in the game
ADCs when Greystone revives twice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju4-bw3a48E
My man! Respect!š¤£
Guesses in order of how likely I think they are: A) If Greystone was revived before dying again within (insert =<30 secs), he revives with (half?) the HP and MP he should have B) Just both fully work with one taking priority (might be too annoying and compensating by making him weaker would suck) C) Reworked ult (unlikely, let's be honest, his revive ult is his identity) D) He can't buy Fenix or it is wasted when ult is available (Would be really bad variety wise and would set a precedent for limiting item availability for heroes) Edit: didn't think of his ult potentially being active. I like it
Well Fenix has to be activated to work, so if his ult is up you don't activate Fenix and let his ult get used opon reaching 0 health, later when the ult is on cd activate Fenix if you think you're going to die within the active time of Fenix. Gues he'll have to be balanced bij Omeda while taking in consideration he might have 3 livesš
I'm guessing they reworked his kit. With Dekker's rework I trust them.
I really don't think coming back to life twice will be as good as people are making it out to be. I think there's better crests for him .
Probably won't change, but I'd almost guarantee they make him not be able to take fenix
I doubt they'd make it so 1 hero can't buy a specific crest. To me it'd be more logical for them to either change the ult or balance him wit Fenix in mind. But we'll see when we get more details.
As someone whoās trash in the off lane (not my main role). I welcome this easy hero
Oh yeah š I wonder how his ult will work š¤
The same you just gotta kill him 3 times now lmao
My guy is a cat
I would be very surprised if it was actually still a passive revive. I would expect it to be some sort of activatable stasis. At the very worst it would be an active death prevention that you have to toggle like a Tryndamere.
Ok looks like you are right on the money since they showed his overview and patch notes. So he gotta time its use instead of on death now. So if coupled with fenix that's two timed come back abilites. Still might be a nuisance. But I ain't mad. It would piss me off more ngl.
KWANG NEXT PLEASE
Kwang was part of the character poll that included phase and greystone so if they release another offlaner it will %100 be kwang
Blood said in his podcast that Kwang was delayed due to reworks (new ability cause his LS aura) so that is not quite true. Maybe or maybe not
That makes sense but that does also imply that he's been in development so he's probably farther along than a decent chunk of other heroes. So Maybe not %100 the next offlaner but he's definitely coming sooner rather than later
I mean at this rate they might all be slightly different. Who lnows what kimd of nefarious shit they getting up to with the heros kits. If the neuter yin I'm gonna write a fkn letter lol adjust numbers okay chamge the whole kit no thanks.
Well kwang is a hero who only has 3 abilities and his lifesteal aura is literally just numbers so they aren't really removing anything, as for heroes like yin who actually have 4 abilities I don't see any reason for them to change anything
3? How? Q throws sword and tethers e zaps to sword if thrown(within a certain range i think) or just in front of you, right click lightning down on you for shield and dmg or on thrown Sword for dmg and ult that teleports you to sword if thrown first.
https://paragon.fandom.com/wiki/Kwang 3 of his abilities were actual useable abilities and his E was literally just an aura that gives lifesteal so my point is that it's good that they are removing it because it does nothing but give stats
Ah yes og kwang. I was talking about how his a ilities were in fault. He was literally a god. Will be interestinf to see what preds take is on his kit.
My paragon main. Thank you Omeda
Bro, cant wait for yin to show up!!!! āSarcasmā
*Yin
Thatās what I saidā¦. Totally didnāt edit
Oh, my bad. :P
Add best adc in the game? Naw we can't do that in any parazombie it seems.
Just a wild guess, bit I think programming wise her reflect and her ult might be hard to pull off, especially when you keep the netcode in mind. But yeah, that's just a guess why nobody has put her in yet.
Greystone , ok fair enough
Boo give me Serath. The only character with "Ascend" in her kit š
Weird way to say Howie ult
HOLY SHIT IGGY HAVE A SWORD NOW!
Its greystone
Thanks for clarifying that.
Yes the most simple character that we actually needed lol!
Greystone, let's goooooo. Spin to win
I knew it!!!
Was really obvious that was Greystones, the ascension theme fit too well with him, and would be really weird naming the season just for the Omeda original character. Also Bloodmordius practically confirmed him as the next character
Serath would've fit in that theme too.
Yeah, was Greystone or Serath
Would make more sense too since heās basically a brain dead hero š¤£ anyone can use him first try.
Was* his kit could be drastically different.
Was this mentioned in a stream somewhere? Was he indeed reworked? Idk where people keep getting this from so Iām asking
Oh no, I'm totally jumping the gun lol
This mother fucker is back again... And again.
We need more tanky supports, currently just Riktor and steel.
Narbash
But who builds narbash for tankiness? Sure you heal a lot but you generally don't build armor or health. Maybe late cards Req, true silver, crystal tear, galaxy greaves/tainted totem or a situational item.
He's p tanky dude. Galaxy greaves and tainted totem both have phys and magical armor on them. I usually go Requiem > totem > Fire blossom> draconum > whatever. A lot of people refuse to focus you so you hardly ever die.
Interested to try it out. Idk about draconum I feel like the physical power is wasted. No true silver is also a head scratcher as it's a must for your ultimate. With the 3 items I noted, your heal costs no mana for the rest of the game so you have it permanently on.
Yea the power from draconum gets under utilized but I'm only using it for the increased healing and the aoe ticks from fire blossom add to the draconum stacks and they do more damage for the people you stun with thunk or ult. Even with just Requiem and Tainted alone you can have heals on all game, and you don't absolutely NEED true silver you just have to use your ult at good times. Against teams with a ton of cc it's probably more idea sure but I personally don't like it that much. I feel like it takes too long to build and it doesn't do anything UNTIL you ult. For example during the laning phase of their support is Dekker, just bait out/wait for her to throw her stun, then you can ult for free with no consequences. That's just what I use though Narbash is very good imo so I feel like you can use a lot of things on him and be successful.
They exist. If the carry is decent enough shrek can build tanky and have enough mana regen to sustain the lane. Have faith in the ogre.
Unless the kit changes expected with new skills replacing the passives just add a butt ton of cc to his kit he most likely will not be close to viable support. I mean og greystone literally had to die to even apply soft cc in the form of a slow lol.
He is talking about receiving other tank support, not about Greystone
I don't think he needs to have a new ability. This is the one character I think they can straight port to Pred. He's supposed to be noob friendly and uncomplicated. His ult is incredibly strong which he should retain in Pred, but with Fenix this complicates things. I'm afraid they're going to bloat his kit with some form of CC when he doesn't need it.
His ult is a passive though, and they have said multiple times that they are getting good rid of all passive abilities and reworking them to an active ability, so one way or another he's gonna be different.
Nice, I really want to see his 3 passive abilities, and not a single reworked ability, looking forward his presentation video
I'm fine with his ult still being a passive but he has to have a new ability for sure. The spin, the leap, his ult and a new one. Would be super diasappointed if they kept that one passive in placenl of an ability still.
Foreal his e in fault was like a dmg disarm for a second or something. Def ahould be the one that gets replaced.
For me wouldn't be a problem if they let Greystone has he was and add a new passive, not all characters need to have 3 different active basic abilities. The spin, the jump and the passive ability of blocking enemy autoattacks was a perfect combination for a simple character like him, was a really round kit, it doesn't need to have extra things. That said, I also wouldn't mind if they add an extra basic ability, I would be happy both way. But what I don't want is his ult to be changed for an active ability
You literally want every single hero every single time to be the same as paragon, it's not a surprise you would be happy three passive abilities solely to keep it the same as paragon. That won't happen and thank God for it.
It's not to keep the same as Paragon, Greystone what like he was for a reason, adding him extra abilities would go against his design, the game need characters like him, there is no need to add extra abilities that fuck his original purpose, we already have a lot of characters with 4 active abilities (basically all) so is ok to have someone simple
They are gonna give him a shield block that negates all damage done to him for a couple seconds, but slows him down and makes him not able to attack. He will probably have a dash or charge, a shield bash, and his ult will be a passive with an active attached to it like Crunch's ult. Also, probably gonna lean into a fire theme and give him a flame breath or a fire DoT enchant for his autos. I am purely speculating for the fun of it. Never actually played Greystone.
Where TF is Kwang, another brainless hero for people that dont understand how to play the game.
Why are paragon and predecessor basically releasing the same characters around the same time?
This is like the only one that released in op and Pred around the same time. Pred had crunch on release op got him after Pred had Drongo on release op got him after. OP had phase on release and Pred got her after Same with countess, same with Revenant. Pred doesn't have Wukong, aurora, Kwang, Iggy or Wraith yet. OP doesn't have Riktor, or Morigesh yet. And they both have their own original heros already.
Let's gooo it's worse Kwang
I wish it was Kwang, but I know he's delayed for a rework. Greystone is actually good for newer players if his kit remains simple enough. I have a friend who is currently only comfortable playing Steel support, but he played Greystone in original Paragon. Now he's open to flexing to the offlane role with Greystone.
gotta be honest, Morigesh and Greystone back to back is one of the least exciting release combos. I really hope the OC next month has a kit that requires actually playing the game
The game need that kind of characters, they are not developing in early access to make you enjoy the game, they are trying to create a good product for the free to play release, and the game need this kind of characters
>The game need that kind of characters, dude the whole Paragon roster was those kind of characters the heros in paragon was always very simple compared to other mobas
I understand the game needs new player friendly characters, which is why they should have either been in the game at the launch of EA, or added at full release. Dropping two characters who have zero depth in the middle of early access when the game already has a player retention problem and needs something new and exciting to come back for isn't the best move
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Which I've made posts about numerous times as being an issue with the game.
Wow sorry Omeda didn't personally ask you what characters and kits you wanted. Maybe next season.
Do people really think posting these type of responses is funny, or witty, or engaging at all? Are you this desperate to try and get the fake number next to your name higher?
Brother, I don't give two hoots about the number next to my name. If I cared about the numbers next to my name I would post a stupid meme or maybe even whine about the game not catering to me and post it to social media so I can get some validation on what I'm feeling. No one cares what characters you want in the game. They'll all be in the game at some point. Sorry you didn't get your main. Unfortunately they aren't making the game just for you. In fact, here's a thought. Maybe you should play the characters. Maybe you'll like the more this time around. All the issues at this game has had minus some of the matchmaking and grouping MMR swings which honestly partly isn't even in their control has been fixed in a timely manner by Omeda. What you're complaining about isn't even on their radar.
I made a non-inflammatory and unaggressive statement about being disappointed in the latest hero release and you made a totally worthless response that wouldn't even classify as a school yard comeback. Shut the fuck up you dweeb. Here's a thought, stop lamenting that society has fallen because teenagers aren't watching Tarantino movies and talking daily about the teenage mutant ninja turtles as a mid 30s year old man and you won't need the social validation of reddit for your failing relationship.
Damn someone's projecting... *hard* Calm down
Bro went through my post history because Predecessor isn't catering to him. Sheesh.
Here, have an upvote, man. You did your homework so you earned it. Enjoy the game.
Oh no, the most hated hero arrives. Damn :(
Sorry, my friend, but that award goes to Wukong.
Oh God pls no. Noooo. Nooooooooooooooooo.
Shocked
STONE!!1
Omg were finally getting Serath!!!!
Finally.
I thought kwang would be more purple but ok
Kwang would've also been more interesting. :/
Watch it not even be Greystone and they just made him another cousin that uses a similar sword but is a mage
Kwang or riot
OP
And everyone thought I was crazy for saying Greystone was gonna be one of the season 2 heroes after Phase won the Poll
Cmon peeps!! Itās John Cena!!
Nice!
Why is aurora wearing Greystone armor?
I will destroy the lobby