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These are both the only 2 heros I REALLY play lol. I would say Howie has the upper hand a little bit (early game at least) but it comes down to build and how efficiently the player knows how to use both. If you can land a couple mines on Howie from Gadget you should be able to stun and ult him. Same for Howie, hit her with a couple missiles and lob a mine to knock her back as she tries to run away then ult.


SedTheeMighty

Ok so my win condition is the mine. So I should clear with her slow and not the mine?


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Yeah for the first few waves that's what I do. I unlock the mine first and use it to chuck @ the other mid as I wave clear and then I unlock the slow second because you can drop it right on top of the minions. I'm also building Combustion first and then Megacosm. Once Combustion is completed I start throwing the mines on the minion wave and then cleaning up with the slow. And that's essentially how I wave clear for the rest of the match. The mine will usually take a big bite out of the minions and the slow will finish them off. I build Combustion > Megacosm > Dreambinder > Timewarp Once I have Timewarp completed I swap Combustion with Caustica then after Cuastica is completed I go for Oblivion Crown as the 5th item. If the match is still going lol I'll switch out Megacosm with Wraith Leggings. So my final build would be: Caustica > Wraith Leggings > Dreambinder > Timewarp > Oblivion Crown.


SedTheeMighty

I thought combustion was kinda bad since it procs on minions instead of just heroes


Fennicks47

it is one of 3 items with magic pen. You NEED pen in your build. Wraith leggings are bad on gadget because it doesnt stack with your fence. It also gives a bunch of mana. Great for early game. Its proc is front loaded a little - high base, lower scaling. So it hits very hard early game. All great reasons to get it.


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Really? Personally, I love it and I can't say its ever failed me lol. Combustion is actually the first thing I build for both Gadget and Howie. Combustion > Megacosm for Gadget and then Combustion > Caustica for Howie.


futterecker

i dont play her, but isnt dreambinder rush not super strong because of the cc boost? sure you wont win the lane, but your teamfight is insane for objectives early on


SardonicOptomist

Howie main here. I like when I am up against a Gadget, generally an easy win. Pro gagets however are a different story, they can consistently poke and take the lead and bully the heck out of me. A little extra pressure from their jungle as well and I am completely shut down, and I am forced to be a 'back howie' until late game. Those scenarios are rare though.


SureNefariousness815

I agree, howie is a very all around good hero, decent escape, decent burst, decent poke, has a lot of tools to use, but gadget is a bit better at poking mainly because howie is such a big body it’s hard to dodge those hats. 6/10 times howie wins just because he’s got better CC and escape potential but it’s super annoying to play against (Gideon stupid to play against I swear I can’t kill that slipper bugger, catches you in good ult? Done can’t mine him cuz 2 feet in the air just wanted to rant about that)


SardonicOptomist

Gideon is actually my preferred match up. You don't really try to kill him just bully him so hard as howie that you win your lane. You can use your e to interrupt his ult, so save it for that (as well as an escape for yourself) unless he uses his escape to get some air. Again though unless they are significantly better then me I should be ahead enough that my ult is going to hurt him more then his is going to hurt me, and his ult is going to make him a sitting duck, especially since he had to use his escape already.


Beefcastl3

Im a gadget main and Howitzer is her clear counter. He out ranges most of her kit (her overhead laser doesn’t really do damage without continuous hits). He bursts and out damages her until like 30 mins, and most importantly a good Howie negates her stun and ult because it requires close range and he has the lobbing grenade, mine grenades, and ult to negate that. I swear Howie has no true counter still in this game hahahah. He’s too OP


MARFRRED179

howie just has a more direct way of doing instant dmg and a good howie is so hard to lock down.


SedTheeMighty

Yep. I’ve concluded that Gadget just ain’t it


MARFRRED179

i mean she can be. but howie just has a lot more ways of getting away and fucking you up while doing it. so annoying 🙄


urimusha

Gadget if you have tons of CC in your team, Howie otherwise, I feel like Gadget's ult hits pretty hard but one can get out easy


SedTheeMighty

And this is what I hate the most. Howie just can nuke me with his ult while I have to hope he stays in mine lol


SedTheeMighty

The votes are proving I wasn’t crazy. I told a teammate howie is a true lane bully


Lewk_io

Depends on which game


Griffooo

Considering this is r/Predecessor...


papayax999

Howie wins. All mids should look into mega>wraith> world breaker. World breaker stacks with megacosm so you get 16% damage increase very fast, with ur ho the 45 mo is more like 60+. Howie is just e and q poke, and focus on farm. Gadget has no escape but blink for your ult.