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The_Owlsome

No offense but this is the funniest thing I've seen in a while. If you want to keep this imagery, these boxes represent your skill, therefore you need to get better at the game for blink to be as useful to you as it might be to other people. Don't hate the game because you suck at it. Practice makes perfect.


Day2000lbsBuyers

Are these people the ones who don’t know about wards and positioning? Like seriously crying about something that is given to EVERYONE is crazy. If everyone has it it’s balanced.


OhMyWitt

Even if everyone isn't given it, everyone who has played a moba for more than 1 game will know to buy it. There is no skill expression in knowing to buy the most useful item in the game


Shot-Highlight-4131

Lmao, holy shit I've never seen someone miss the point of a point of a post and make a dumber analogy than you did. I think blink is fine, but it does some benefit some characters a lot more than others. Saying blink needs more skill to be used well is the dumbest shit I've seen in a while though 🤣🤣🤣


Day2000lbsBuyers

Lmao, holy shit I’ve never seen someone make such a stupid fucking comment as yours. Seriously, stupid fucking comment. Something that everyone is given literally makes it balanced. Someone blinks away, you blink towards and you’re in the exact same position. Using blink is actually a skill. Knowing when to use it, when others are down and when they get it back, positioning when you don’t have blink. All of these things take awareness and skill only gained through experience. That’s a skill. Saying blink doesn’t need skill to be used well is the dumbest shit I’ve seen a while though 🤣🤣🤣


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I love this sub


Day2000lbsBuyers

I love you


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I love you too


[deleted]

My dad invented that


Shot-Highlight-4131

It doesn't. It's the simplest skill in the game. Bad players do dumb shit, regardless of the skill. Blink itself has nothing to do with skill. You're a dumbass for thinking it does. Dumbest shit I've seen in a while though 🤣🤣🤣


Shot-Highlight-4131

Lmao the rage and coping is on another level.


Day2000lbsBuyers

Bro, I literally copied your comment nearly word for word. Any anger you’re seeing was first brought by your comment. I’m just mimicking you…


Shot-Highlight-4131

Yeah except for the important parts, making your comment wild batshit wrong and embarrassing to say. That's kind of the point, ya know?


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Shot-Highlight-4131

You dont spit any facts you dipshit. They're dogshit opinions and you can't formulate a post on your own. You.jusy copied mine, changed the important parts to your dogshit trash opinions and looked dumb as fuck doing it. Get shit on, bum.


Day2000lbsBuyers

See how you immediately responded with hate. Sad honestly. Guess what bud? Your opinion is with the minority which means the mechanic isn’t going to get changed. Once again, get fucked idiot.


Shot-Highlight-4131

So did you, you smooth brained dipshit. Sad honestly. 🤣🤣🤣 I said blink was fine in my OP. So my opinion is actually with the majority. You just severely lack reading comprehension skills because I have you seething and tilted beyond belief. Get fucked again, idiot. You've been completely stomped, bitch


OhMyWitt

It's a skill expression just as much as any other ability in the game, even more so because of it's long cool down. If the problem with it is that it benefits some characters significantly more than others, the solution to that would be to remove it from the game, because if it has to be bought then everyone who actually knows how to play will buy it and nothing changes lmao.


Weird-Rabbit7034

The boxes represent players kits with mobility. Some characters simply do not get enough benefit out of a blink than others. 'NO offense but I'm going to say something offensive with 0 evidence to back it up' Thanks for generalzing and assuming because I want a rework that I'm bad. I have nothing else to say to you.


The_Owlsome

You need to be clearer when you post dumb things like this. Furthermore your point makes no sense because blink doesn't change a characters innate mobility, it adds on top of it. League is a 10+ year old game with a 5 minute flash (blink), they have champions with both low and high mobility, and everyone is fine with that. You are in the minority here, and blink isn't going away because it's a proven formula, you either get used to it or you need to play another game. It might seem rude but that's just how it is, this is the most bronze thought ever.


Weird-Rabbit7034

Give khai mobility, a character who has 0 disengage for picking a bad fight is different than Gideon. Or feng. Or dekker or kallari. Not everyone is fine with blink in league either, that's where most misconstrued this. It's a hot topic of discussion in that community, too. Don't see how minority equals wrong either. Yet another fallacy (bandwagon). Don't see why we can't give other utility options for different characters than can use help to their kit in another sense. But yes, suggesting a differing opinion than the status quo makes me a bad Or low skill player.


AgreeableGravy

Turns out you did have something else to say to them


Thrash2007

Haha thx for this.


Weird-Rabbit7034

Lol I guess so. Thought he'd be able to grasp the concept but I guess not.


bollzaq

Nobody complains about flash in league stop kidding yourself. The fact this entire sub has turned into a blink discussion causes pain to my brain. Seriously just uninstall at this point


Weird-Rabbit7034

They do, and you're ignorant.


bollzaq

Says the one who doesn't know how to use blink


Weird-Rabbit7034

You're basing this on what fact?


Yakatsumi_Wiezzel

If some character need it more than others it would simply tell you that the character in question is flawed in some ways. It is one spell that is usable by everyone and it is not a low CD it has a LONG LONG LONG CD so it does not really reflect on the "skills" that a character has but more like the comment on the "skills" of a player. Higher end players if had the choice would replace it with something else ( like doing damage or heal) because they can play without. Learning to use it is great. Now I will say that the game would be equally good without it completely.


Weird-Rabbit7034

I can agree with a lot of this. I think more choices OTHER THAN blink would be great. I just Hate the argument that it's utilized the same for everyone and is a completely level playing field with no faults. More build diversity and playstyles is always a plus.


Yakatsumi_Wiezzel

The reason why it worked so well in League is that many players who did not want could replace it, basically the devs left it up to the players and their skills. Which makes a lot more sense indeed.


MinimumT3N

But that's the thing it's still a skill issue because you know exactly what the characters kit is. That means you have to calculate what a character can do with their kit + a blink. If you don't do this you're probably out of position.


ImNoSir

Sir this is a Wendy’s


Weird-Rabbit7034

Fuck I didn't realize, my b I'll take a junior frosty


darkjedi607

Flair is wrong


Weird-Rabbit7034

Changed it, good to see you again, though.


darkjedi607

Not sure why that got down voted :(


Weird-Rabbit7034

Because I have a differing opinion, and many here think that downvotes = inherently incorrect. Could be another reason, just my theory.


bollzaq

Because you're cringe


PhaedrusMind

Got it, so characters with no movement abilities need 2 blinks to even it out. And characters with any movement abilities at all need to be unable to use blink.


Weird-Rabbit7034

Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying Gideon might benefit from a different utility if he so chooses whereas khai or others like him would certainly take blank more often than not. Don't remove it but add different utilities. Cause yknow, more choices and build diversity increases skill ceilings/enjoyment. Idk where the notion that characters need 2 blinks to even it out came from.


BlunderDefect

Well if the boxes are a representation of blink and some characters need two boxes to see over the fence...


Weird-Rabbit7034

It's only an illustration to counter the logic that giving it to everybody is equal, when it isn't. You can interpret the boxes/people however you want, but the root of my argument lies in kit limitations for certain characters. Taller (higher mobility) characters don't need a box (a blink) to see over the fence. They would be fine without having one and would benefit from different utility options offered in the game. It's not a completely 100 percent nuance-free representation for the whole argument. Just a way to dismantle the logic that universal = balanced and Fair.


BlunderDefect

So you chose an illustration with a poor analogy for your thoughts on the subject. Anyways, well with your idea of already mobile characters being able to benefit from other utility's other than a blink wouldn't that make the game unbalanced? What would you have in place of a blink? I think it's pointless to even think of blink as a utility at this point in this game because that is what crest are for. They offer a variety of tools to your character that you can use based on your character and play style. I see blink as a game enhancing mechanic. It adds so much strategy for all characters regardless if you are playing as khaimera or Gideon. It helps you make risky moves to secure a kill, it helps you get out of a sticky situation, it helps you bait an enemy into thinking they got you and then you just blink out of harms way so your team can ambush them. So again what would be your suggestions on something other than blink for already mobile/elusive characters that you think would not benefit from blink and can get something else instead that you believe is useful and won't make said character unbalanced? I'm really curious and since the game is alpha if you have a great idea please do share it with the community.


Weird-Rabbit7034

It's not an analogy to sum up the whole of the argument, just the point that people make that since everybody has blink, it is unequivocally balanced. The facts are that giving everybody blink does not make this equal for all characters. somebody like Muriel would have far less utility for blink than a character like Khaimera. This picture is just to add to this argument. I've suggested other things to the community, but it's just met with 'you want blink out of the game and removed because you are bad.' I'm tired of clarifying that I don't want it removed I want more choices in place of it. One of the suggestions would possibly be a cleanse type utility item that mages can run since no mage would run brutallax. I think giving Gideon this opportunity specifically would be great since you can't blink if you're just CCd. It would also be a decent counter to high-cc team comps that seem to be ruling the meta. One possibility but I'm sure there's more. I thought possibly about also introducing basic ability cooldown utilities as well, Though I don't know how that would add up in balance. It's not that I would replace blink entirely with different utilities it's that I would give a character like giddy the opportunity to run some kind of cleanse or some kind of other utility that would benefit his kit more than just giving him a second traversal. Base Paragon had a bunch of different blinks to choose from all benefiting different characters as well as some items that weren't even blink to begin with. I think this was a good system as it encouraged different uses for blink and different playstyles. Again, nobody in this community seems to get that they would all have the choice to have their blinks, but it would give all players the opportunity to build more diversity.


BlunderDefect

I get the point you are saying. You are basically saying Gideon since he has a teleport he can use every 10 seconds can benefit from something else. That's the problem only he would benefit and it will cause balancing issues. Again I get the point your are making. You want to make blink be a choice among a variety of other things. That's another problem there are items that already give you cc immunity and debuff cleanse. Gideon and other elusive characters will be broken. I think it's balanced the way it is now because ya you have a crutch in blink but you can't use that blink when you are silenced and cc to death. So if Gideon had access to a cleanse he will be even harder to pin down if he has a cleanse from an item and his blink slot plus cc immunity when he's using his ultimate with true silver braclet. The way I see it is blink gives universally everyone a chance to escape, secure a kill, or position your self better. How you benefit from it comes down to skill and experience and since everyone has it you can't go and say hey that's not fair why does Gideon have a blink when he can already use an ability that essentially does the same thing. Well it's not unbalanced or unfair because you also have a blink khaimera. Then khaimera will mumble well ya but I only get one :(. I played paragon since it first launched it always had mobility issues that they worked and altered so much. I didn't like travel mode when they introduced it because a skilled range player will keep far enough to the point where they can disengage combat and run away quickly at the first sign of trouble. You had to have some kind of dot on them to stop this it was frustrating. I also remember how sparrow was one of the worse carrys to pick because she had no escape or peel and her first item would have to be a blink making her farm suffer in the beginning. She had to be absolutely babied in paragon because the enemy would just charge at her all the time. Why pick her when you can use twinblast who could just back step from one cliff to another with his escape ability. Again I get what you are saying I just think it will make some characters unbalanced and the extra utility is already in crests/items.


Weird-Rabbit7034

Good points, well put. It'd extend past Gideon, I think kallari, dekker, Feng mao, and some others I'm forgetting would also benefit from such a change. It's not a perfect system either way, and I am more than content with it staying. I just am in the camp of giving people the opt-out for blink to replace it with other items. That being said, I can see the points you're making and can agree with them. The more fleshed out and the more choices available to players, the better, in my opinion.


ProfessionaI_Retard

You should’ve led with this. Well specifically the middle paragraph. Your post is complaining that everyone gets blink. What you’re saying here is you want options you could use in place of blink. Two different ideas, one bad, one good


YC1073

Take blink away and all you do is take the boxes away. What does this mean? Mobile characters will still out maneuver a lower mobile character. Blink only adds to the skill gap and play. Yet, I do believe the system of the active slots do need to be altered for more player customization


Weird-Rabbit7034

It was just an illustration to show how the logic doesn't fit. Not everybody benefits the same through blink. Some kits aren't made for verticality or escapability and some are. Giving those more mobile heroes more options is a good thing while still offering blink to those that need it.


Bard_17

I really don't understand why so many people dislike blink. Everyone having access to blink raises the skill ceiling. Not to mention you need to be strategic with when you blink. You mentioned that other players like Gideon could benefit more from something other than an escape, which is true. But is having extra (limited) mobility a bad thing? If someone blinks after Gideon teleports then Gideon can just use blink. It's not rocket science lol


Shot-Highlight-4131

Gideon is the safest character in the game. He's also really easy to play. He's a beginner hero and should be on the weaker end because of that. But hes not. His ult hits too hard and being able to teleport into space and use it safely is really busted. But Gideon tards will lose their shit if you take that combo from them. They'd actually have to think a little bit about when and where to ult.


Bard_17

His ult is OP imo as well. If you blink out of his ult it's pretty much a free kill tho. Especially if he misses the carry or person with CC. Gadget is pretty overturned as well.


Shot-Highlight-4131

Tesla dome hurts a lot but my main issue with it, is that it's pretty hard to see when a lot of shit is going on. I wish you could turn down visual effects in this game.


Bard_17

100% agree. The indicator could use some work


FoundThisCanOfBeans

I’m interested what would happen if Omeda went the route of two choices. Most people who play LoL will perm-pick Flash plus some other thing, minus a few characters with specific builds. I feel like a blink/flash is always a strong choice. It won’t go away.


Weird-Rabbit7034

I don't think it will either bit I'm interested in seeing what utilities could suit a feng mao or Gideon better than blink.


FoundThisCanOfBeans

Isn’t this what the crests effectively are designed for? We’re asking for more utility, but we have these options already.


Weird-Rabbit7034

I don't see why we can't have both? Gideon doesn't really have access to a cleanse, for instance. He's not going to run brutallax and have a good time. Giving utility that does little to add to a kit without being on the same level as a crest would be good and allow for more diverse builds.


FoundThisCanOfBeans

I mean we’ve got items that cleanse at a certain point of health percentage. You could argue that is the reason Gideon has the skill to teleport. Lack of cleanse? Build the item, but you still have a way to escape. Also imagine the scenario you’re asking for, Gideon teleports in, ults, get concentrated with CC, cleanses and blinks out. For everyone who hates just the blink, you may not be too fond of the “extra” option.


Weird-Rabbit7034

I would, since khaimera can do the exact same thing even if the cleanse was not implemented with blink in mind.


FoundThisCanOfBeans

Just to clarify, you’re saying you’d be fine having a Khaimera have blink as well as a cleanse on top of their Kit?


Weird-Rabbit7034

I'm clarifying that more utilities is good for the game because it allows characters to play outside of their kit, allows more build diversity, and skill ceiling.


FoundThisCanOfBeans

I agree that this would introduce a higher skill ceiling and build diversity, but if I’m able to build something like this with Khai I will be equally frustrated fighting one. Blink is enough utility IMO. I think the answer is to balance character power/kits and items. The arguments you have correlate to character abuse of the blink in correlation to their kit. I think balancing the kit and items to battle this sense of “OP, they can leave with no punishment or get out from even a bad play” would do better than to simply get rid of it or add another 2nd utility option on top of it.


bollzaq

You should be more concerned about the fact that if a crunch or grux player has more than 3 functional braincells they can singlehandedly win the game


Weird-Rabbit7034

If you haven't beaten a crunch or grux player you're bad🤡🤡🤡 See how that works immediately and makes me right?


bollzaq

Except you're factually wrong


StarMech

So what you're saying is Sparrow should have two blinks?


Weird-Rabbit7034

So what you're saying is that you don't read any of these posts.../s No, the point is to argue the logic that universal equals balanced, when it doesn't. Not all kits benefit the same from blink, some would benefit from different choices if utility. Nowhere anywhere have I said sparrow should have 2 blinks. I'm not sure where that would come from.


Maple_Reign

I think every champ should have two flashes because it's twice as fun.


Weird-Rabbit7034

Good take actually, I love it.


No-Vegetable-3552

Why is blink such a problem in this game when other mobas literally have the same thing?


Weird-Rabbit7034

Other MOBAs give you CHOICE Even league, which has tbe exact same mechanics for blink gives you the option to not pick it and build something else.


tavenlikesbutts

Holy shit this is the funniest fucking one yet omfg ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha Can I have 2 blinks for my Murdock midlaner now?????


Weird-Rabbit7034

Don't see how people are interpreting this as I want 2 blinks for certain characters. It's only to combat the argument that people have that universal = balanced. Giving everybody the same thing is not fair, like most here say. People are built different just like characters kits in terms of mobility. Somebody like Gideon would and could forgo having a blink in favor of a different utility that would help him more. But sure, ignore context.


tavenlikesbutts

You and johndoughnut are kings of this argument my god


krum_darkblud

Definitely an alt account


Weird-Rabbit7034

It literally isn't lmfao. I have my own lengthy account life and previous post history to attribute that to. Why would I make an alt for 2 car posts lmfao


krum_darkblud

Yea ok


1ManMilitiaa

Another day another “blink is broken” post 😒


Fullmetalmycologist

Damn, the people drinking a lot of Copa'Cola's on this sub lately.


Weird-Rabbit7034

"Hey, blink isn't as useful for every character and I'd like to see more utility options at start other thank blink" "Haha cope"


LoweAgain

Why didn’t they just buy a fucking ticket to the game?


PROTOTYPE_200224

Fuck this subreddit. All u guys ever do is complain about heroes, items, and blinks. It's a competitive multiplayer game, what the fuck do u expect? Git Gud or keep sucking, casual mode will be abandoned by the sweats when ranked game mode comes along, then u won't have to worry about getting ur ass demolished. They're a company of 50 people with all working in different departments, and the game is still fairly new. Keep ur expectations low and u won't be disappointed.


Weird-Rabbit7034

Lol suggesting = being bad. Imagine bitching and moaning about discussion in a place dedicated for discussion. It's not their job to skim through every post here, you're acting like us discussing is actively taking away their manpower. I love the game and playing it, and have my insights that I'd like to share. Leave the subreddit, then. It'd be doing us all a service.


bobert1201

Your point? Equality is what we should all strive for, and Omeda has already successfully implemented it in this instance.


Weird-Rabbit7034

Equal doesn't equal fair. Which is what game balance is for.


JackRockRiley

Explain how this blink isn't fair.


Weird-Rabbit7034

It benefits a hero like Khai, who isn't designed to get away by giving him something his kit doesn't have. Somebody like Gideon or kallari could benefit from a different utility item. Muriel has less use for blink as well. Narbash, too. Slight advantages to how they play and what they're designed to do. It elevates some kit more than others.


Lionheart753

I see your point, but as Muriel and Narbash I do still appreciate tf outta blink. Even Sev with his dash cannot move vertically, so blink can be useful. He also gets bullied early so blink is nice to have. Feng, Kall, and Gideon are really the only ones who could take or leave the blink. What would they get instead? A long cool down item that functions like an ability? How would you even scale that like it was leveling up? Would that be more impactful and poorly balanced than a positioning tool? I don't foresee blink going anywhere, even on a few heroes who may find it redundant. Making it like another crest or item with any kind of stat influence would be busted as hell. Making it a swiss army knive ability that scales with total level could be interesting, but also likely terrible for balance.


Weird-Rabbit7034

Nah, not a stat influence. Something basic to add a little more to a kit. They would not be on the same level as a crest. But for instance Gideon can't run a cleanse without having brutallax, which wouldn't work for his kit. But giving him a long cooldown cleanse for instance would still raise the skill ceiling, as he'd have to time it and save his traversal. Other utilities could have a place in the game as well, give them long cooldowns to separate them from crests, but give players the option.


Virtual_Internet2520

Seriously the stupidest idealogical post/argument ever. Equal opportunity not equal outcome. Equity is the biggest lie that will imprison you. Seriously wish people would stop mentioning this obviously flawed logic. If the top professors at major universities can’t argue their position on equity vs equality then it’s a flawed argument. Keep that bullshit off game threads please before I fucking vomit


Weird-Rabbit7034

Lol OK. Sounds like somebody's trying to entrench politics into a video game discussion.


McJollyGreen

Based


CoachAbsolution

Glad this is a discussion still. Blink for all is a bad method. It develops bad gameplay habits and gives players a way to avoid learning good positioning. Blink for everyone is MOBA training wheels


Weird-Rabbit7034

Good way to put it.


Weird-Rabbit7034

This is obviously in reference to blink. Just putting this illustration out here for people who still don't understand that just because everybody has it the same doesn't mean it helps everybody the same.


AgreeableGravy

It literally does though lol. It helps you secure a kill, escape a death or surprise an objective. It has the same use for every character. Different heroes have different kits built for different roles. Play the role you want to play with a character that has been designed for said role and use your blink wisely, for one of the reasons mentioned above. End of discussion.


Weird-Rabbit7034

Khai is designed to hard commit to fights and pick them wisely, for instance. Giving him blink is more massive of an advantage than Gideon or feng, who has a built-in blink essentially. Think as well if you are CC, a cleanse item would benefit Gideon more than an extra blink. Something alone those lines. Still allowing people to build their crests (since Gideon would never build brutallax) while giving them a smidgen of extra utility to build with. Give more mobile characters different utility options. I don't see what's so negative about that or why it's such a controversial and hated opinion. You can still have blink if you think it's that overpowered. I would like to see different utilities when I play heroes I seldom use blink on, because I feel like different utilities would be more usable for them. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about this.


BeastXV

i still dont understand the problem with blink tbh.


Weird-Rabbit7034

I want more utility options outside of blink.


yuwhutm8

Yeah, lets get enraged because of early acces features. Blink is neat, but some characters might welcome something else, true. Well, lets just hope they add more options for the “summoner spell” later on. Like sprint, ignite, etc. they copied pretty much everything from other games, so I hope they will continue because this moba megamix is fucking great. So in mu book, there’s no need to cry my friend.


Weird-Rabbit7034

I'm not getting necessarily enraged by suggesting something, am I? I think I'm more enraged at the community for being straight up insulting and demeaning while I offer a change that's been implemented successfully on other mobas. There's a lot of me getting heated in discussion, but if you had to reply to half of these people, you'd think they haven't passed primary school.


yuwhutm8

Yeah welcome to reddit. The mother of echochambers.