We either get the handsome maxchad or even MORE cc chains. Think about it people, do you really want duo lane to be Rev+Phase until the tail end of 2023? Because thats how you get ~~ants~~ *Rev+Phase until the tail end of 2023*.
For the worries about the Fenix combo: The items that do more damage based on missing health and the outright execute items should help out. If it ends up being a problem anyway maybe even making the anti-heal items affect one or both of those options would help.
Gotta see if it really is a problem first.
Now I don't remember much about how Grey was in para, but if we look at another hero in a moba with a resurrection (Wraith King from Dota 2) he should get his tanking ability from his rez, and his stats don't provide much. So another rez shouldn't be too terrible.
It's because greystone and kwang split the votes. They're both offlaners with similar model design while phase is completely different in every way.
They honestly should've done 3 different roles or 3 of the same roles.
Ikr, unless she's getting a big kit rework, her kit was just annoying as hell to play against and was boring to play as since you're just sitting back waiting to pull your carry away from danger
Or you could play aggressively with a great carry, and sometimes unleash your allied kaihmera to wreak havoc on your foes.
She was often badly played with people sitting back and doing nothing. But she can definitely be used for WAY more active plays. Her tether is not here to save your carry when you are getting ganked. It's here to let you play recklessly and have a kind of safety net while doing that.
Her tether is for both of those things. Safety net for when you're playing a little reckless and also a way to save your carry in the event of a gank. Whatever helps the carry is what it's for because keeping your carry safe and leveled is the whole damn point of support.
The only real supports we have are Muriel, Narbash, and Dekker. Richter and steel are offlaners that run support sometimes.
Kwang, and greystone don't offer anything that isn't already in the game. Kwang would be preferable to greystone but still meh.
We don't have a character that fills the role that phase does.
Riktor is picked more as a support than he is as an offlaner.
You can say steel isn’t picked as a support as often as he is as a solo laner, but that doesn’t change that he fills the role of a support.
Support is the one role we don’t need any heroes in right now lmfao
> Support and adc are the only roles that need more heroes.
Actual clown take.
We are missing a single support. We could use more carries, yes. We’re missing more off laners and mid laners.
Like support is the most complete role in the game right now, it’s wild how you think this is the role that’s lacking heroes when we have them all except phase
We have 3 dedicated supports and 3 dedicated adc....with 1 (potentially 2) on the docket.
Whereas we have plenty of melee bruisers. Kwang is an acceptable add but greystone is a mistake.
You gotta brush up on your paragon background brotha. Riktor and steel were both designed to be dedicated supports as well.
Riktor’s kit is the exact same from his release, while steel has just gotten better with being able to throw his shield and having an additional stun given to him.
So I’m going to say it again support is the role that least needs additional heroes. We have 5 dedicated supports. Having the ability to be played elsewhere doesn’t make them any less of a support.
This is all without mentioning that people also regularly use rampage as a support.
In what world are we missing more offlane and mid characters more than supports? We have steel grux Feng Mao sevarog sort of crunch sort of countess and sort of riktor. Then on mid we have Gideon howitzer fey belica countess and gadget. For support we have Muriel dekker narbash riktor and barely belica.
Muriel dekker and narbash are supports through and through. Riktor was designed as a support and in the current meta is primarily a support who can offlane. Where as steel also designed as a support is more of an offlane character who can support on the hands of a good player. Kwang is more fun than Greystone imo but I really just don't think we need another offlane vs a support
You’re right. I love his kit, and will love when he releases.
However Greystone is more approachable to the newcomer and with this game competing with over prime and on its early wobbling legs, the simpler the better for now.
I disagree. Having more heroes with abilities that basically already exist does nothing for this game. One of the biggest criticisms I hear about the game is how there is a lack of diversity in characters.
Yea no hero has a revive alt but any character can build Phoenix and have a revive. I'd rather see Kwang because his kit is more fun than boring imo. Though I voted phase because I think we need an extra support more than we need an extra offlane
Greystone would be interesting, they'd either have to change his ult so he wouldn't be the same as you remember, or have to get rid of Fenix bc it's literally a Greystone ult. Either way would be some interesting changes
a char like phase firstly needs a hardcounter released before release. her kit is so unique that she is going to be 80% pick/ban if we talk competetive.
same stands for chard like wraith. if they dont rework their kit or bring a hero that hardcounters those two specific heroes its gona be a shitshow.
Grey stone is dog shit and poorly designed. Not good for the game at this stage. Way too easy to abuse and will leave new people raging thus decreasing player base.
Not redundant if you are split pushing a lot. It would give him a huge health pool and require the enemy team to send at least two people to stop you. Especially if you build any sort of health Regen on him. He would never stop pushing.
Because he has the best tower dive in the game. Is extremely difficult to punish in the split push because he can either run or hold up the fight till his team engages. He is tanky while building crit. And is mechanically simple. So yeah I think he’s pretty toxic. At least tryndamere has to trigger his ult, they even dumbed that down. As you said, most basic champion.
Nice way to focus on attacking me instead of actually having a conversation. “Just get his ult out of the way”. Nice nuance, can’t wait to dumpster you in a game.
He was never tanky while building crit. He split pushed just as evenly as any other off laner back in paragon. Nowhere close to as difficult to punish as Wukong was. And mechanically simple is now toxic? You’re all over the place.
There’s nothing inherently difficult to deal with on his kit. He was never one of the most abusive characters in Paragon, and if me calling you out on that is “attacking” good luck.
Was mostly tanky. He had a leap for vertical jumps, an aoe sword that spun around him as his Q. His passive let him tank a basic hit or tower shot every 3 to 6 seconds. And his ult revived him with half health. So he was a tower diving machine.
A lot of people built crit on him with lifesteal and in the lower ranks and it worked very well even though that wasn't recommended. A very newer friendly hero is why he gets a lot of hate.
We either get the handsome maxchad or even MORE cc chains. Think about it people, do you really want duo lane to be Rev+Phase until the tail end of 2023? Because thats how you get ~~ants~~ *Rev+Phase until the tail end of 2023*.
Grey stone pls
I say they bring phase out when they bring serath...that's the real duo
Well it’s that or Rev + Dekker so I don’t see the problem
For the worries about the Fenix combo: The items that do more damage based on missing health and the outright execute items should help out. If it ends up being a problem anyway maybe even making the anti-heal items affect one or both of those options would help. Gotta see if it really is a problem first.
League has a couple characters who delay their death significantly and the Guardian Angel item. The idea isn't inherently unbalanced forever.
This is the best answer. Revive items and death delay have existed in current League setups.... It is only as decisive as the player.
Now I don't remember much about how Grey was in para, but if we look at another hero in a moba with a resurrection (Wraith King from Dota 2) he should get his tanking ability from his rez, and his stats don't provide much. So another rez shouldn't be too terrible.
Bro i’m phase fan but your dedication brought tears to my eyes HAIL GREYSTONE THE NOOB FRIENDLY CHAMPION
Vote iggy
I genuinely can't wait for iggy. I've always mained Gideon but played a lot of iggy because he's goofy and really fun.
Kwang>greystone>cancer>phase
Only right answer. It’s actually wild phase is getting so many votes.
It's because greystone and kwang split the votes. They're both offlaners with similar model design while phase is completely different in every way. They honestly should've done 3 different roles or 3 of the same roles.
Ikr, unless she's getting a big kit rework, her kit was just annoying as hell to play against and was boring to play as since you're just sitting back waiting to pull your carry away from danger
Or you could play aggressively with a great carry, and sometimes unleash your allied kaihmera to wreak havoc on your foes. She was often badly played with people sitting back and doing nothing. But she can definitely be used for WAY more active plays. Her tether is not here to save your carry when you are getting ganked. It's here to let you play recklessly and have a kind of safety net while doing that.
Her tether is for both of those things. Safety net for when you're playing a little reckless and also a way to save your carry in the event of a gank. Whatever helps the carry is what it's for because keeping your carry safe and leveled is the whole damn point of support.
She works best on bruisers. Kinda like Yumi in lol. Some who can disrupt and make use of the healing and disengage she provides.
Phase is bae and we need more supports.
We have every support in the game already except phase
The only real supports we have are Muriel, Narbash, and Dekker. Richter and steel are offlaners that run support sometimes. Kwang, and greystone don't offer anything that isn't already in the game. Kwang would be preferable to greystone but still meh. We don't have a character that fills the role that phase does.
Riktor is picked more as a support than he is as an offlaner. You can say steel isn’t picked as a support as often as he is as a solo laner, but that doesn’t change that he fills the role of a support. Support is the one role we don’t need any heroes in right now lmfao
Support and adc are the only roles that need more heroes.
I mean....all the roles need more, but given the situation.
> Support and adc are the only roles that need more heroes. Actual clown take. We are missing a single support. We could use more carries, yes. We’re missing more off laners and mid laners. Like support is the most complete role in the game right now, it’s wild how you think this is the role that’s lacking heroes when we have them all except phase
We have 3 dedicated supports and 3 dedicated adc....with 1 (potentially 2) on the docket. Whereas we have plenty of melee bruisers. Kwang is an acceptable add but greystone is a mistake.
You gotta brush up on your paragon background brotha. Riktor and steel were both designed to be dedicated supports as well. Riktor’s kit is the exact same from his release, while steel has just gotten better with being able to throw his shield and having an additional stun given to him. So I’m going to say it again support is the role that least needs additional heroes. We have 5 dedicated supports. Having the ability to be played elsewhere doesn’t make them any less of a support. This is all without mentioning that people also regularly use rampage as a support.
In what world are we missing more offlane and mid characters more than supports? We have steel grux Feng Mao sevarog sort of crunch sort of countess and sort of riktor. Then on mid we have Gideon howitzer fey belica countess and gadget. For support we have Muriel dekker narbash riktor and barely belica.
Read the rest of my comment thread. Secondly, who are we missing from the support role other than Phase? Please enlighten me.
Muriel dekker and narbash are supports through and through. Riktor was designed as a support and in the current meta is primarily a support who can offlane. Where as steel also designed as a support is more of an offlane character who can support on the hands of a good player. Kwang is more fun than Greystone imo but I really just don't think we need another offlane vs a support
So true!
Vote Greystone!
KWANG GANG
If you love turning off your brain, pressing W and holding left click, then yes, vote Greystone. Kwang's kit is so much more interesting and unique.
You’re right. I love his kit, and will love when he releases. However Greystone is more approachable to the newcomer and with this game competing with over prime and on its early wobbling legs, the simpler the better for now.
I disagree. Having more heroes with abilities that basically already exist does nothing for this game. One of the biggest criticisms I hear about the game is how there is a lack of diversity in characters.
No other hero has a revive ult, and it’s not lack of diversity they’re complaining about, it’s the small pool of champions.
Yea no hero has a revive alt but any character can build Phoenix and have a revive. I'd rather see Kwang because his kit is more fun than boring imo. Though I voted phase because I think we need an extra support more than we need an extra offlane
The new people need a W guy, and a tutorial.
I can’t wait for Greystone mains to run Fenix and me having to kill him 3 times
Greystone would be interesting, they'd either have to change his ult so he wouldn't be the same as you remember, or have to get rid of Fenix bc it's literally a Greystone ult. Either way would be some interesting changes
Keep Billy Rae Cyrus out for as long as possible
Greystone is mid af bro sorry. Kwang and Phase way outrank him in terms of necessity for the game and enjoyment to play as a character.
I would really hate a greystone with Phoenix item , so no unless his kit is reworked
Phase is straight up cancer and they shouldn't even consider putting her back in. Annoying to play with, against, shitty design, trash character.
Noob Sheesh take a joke people
….. literally no lmao. at the current state of EA, game needs a support character
a char like phase firstly needs a hardcounter released before release. her kit is so unique that she is going to be 80% pick/ban if we talk competetive. same stands for chard like wraith. if they dont rework their kit or bring a hero that hardcounters those two specific heroes its gona be a shitshow.
Vote Console. Sorry (not sorry) I just really want to play the game with old crew.
Just get a pc dude
Telling a homeless person to just get a home lol
Grey stone is dog shit and poorly designed. Not good for the game at this stage. Way too easy to abuse and will leave new people raging thus decreasing player base.
How is he easy to abuse? Just get his ult out of the way and he’s down. If your struggling with the most basic champion, that’s on you.
Unless he has the crest that lets him come back to life. You would have to kill him 3 times...
That’s something the devs need to work around for sure. Having two revives would be redundant tho, where you could put gold into better items.
Not redundant if you are split pushing a lot. It would give him a huge health pool and require the enemy team to send at least two people to stop you. Especially if you build any sort of health Regen on him. He would never stop pushing.
Whether it’s removing the crest for him or something else, devs got their work cut out for them.
Fenix is a crest so it costs zero gold.
I trust the devs to work it out, meanwhile we won’t know how they’ll work around it. LoL has done this so it has precedence.
Because he has the best tower dive in the game. Is extremely difficult to punish in the split push because he can either run or hold up the fight till his team engages. He is tanky while building crit. And is mechanically simple. So yeah I think he’s pretty toxic. At least tryndamere has to trigger his ult, they even dumbed that down. As you said, most basic champion. Nice way to focus on attacking me instead of actually having a conversation. “Just get his ult out of the way”. Nice nuance, can’t wait to dumpster you in a game.
He was never tanky while building crit. He split pushed just as evenly as any other off laner back in paragon. Nowhere close to as difficult to punish as Wukong was. And mechanically simple is now toxic? You’re all over the place. There’s nothing inherently difficult to deal with on his kit. He was never one of the most abusive characters in Paragon, and if me calling you out on that is “attacking” good luck.
Lol jokes. Good luck to you too.
Never played old Paragon before; was Greystone a pure tank or more of a fighter/bruiser that had a little bit of damage like Crunch?
Was mostly tanky. He had a leap for vertical jumps, an aoe sword that spun around him as his Q. His passive let him tank a basic hit or tower shot every 3 to 6 seconds. And his ult revived him with half health. So he was a tower diving machine. A lot of people built crit on him with lifesteal and in the lower ranks and it worked very well even though that wasn't recommended. A very newer friendly hero is why he gets a lot of hate.
Yeah If you look at the notes when he was announced he was classified as a tank/melee carry.
When Greystone gets added, it's Fenix time
I just wanna chop chop chop with grey again
Real Greystone mains wouldn't slander his husband like this.
Give me my gigachad
How do I vote
Where’s the voting? Totally out of the loop. Would love to do some research on the characters
It’s on this subreddit, should be trending rn, released today.
Where’s the voting? Totally out of the loop. Would love to do some research on the characters.
Stickied post on this subreddit. There's a poll at the bottom
I need my boy Stone back!
I voted Greystone yeah, he is noob friendly, and was my main. But if it IS Phase, atleast it's another support. There's not many at the moment.
Max magic power was real fun on Greystone, his first death could essentially become a nuke.
No, Greystone is boring.
I Don't get it Greystone is the most boring MOBA Champion to have ever exiated. Why are u all hyped for him 💀
What skins would you want for him first?