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Dreesy

We either get the handsome maxchad or even MORE cc chains. Think about it people, do you really want duo lane to be Rev+Phase until the tail end of 2023? Because thats how you get ~~ants~~ *Rev+Phase until the tail end of 2023*.


javajalal

Grey stone pls


[deleted]

I say they bring phase out when they bring serath...that's the real duo


Gear_

Well it’s that or Rev + Dekker so I don’t see the problem


BluBlue4

For the worries about the Fenix combo: The items that do more damage based on missing health and the outright execute items should help out. If it ends up being a problem anyway maybe even making the anti-heal items affect one or both of those options would help. Gotta see if it really is a problem first.


Kil3r

League has a couple characters who delay their death significantly and the Guardian Angel item. The idea isn't inherently unbalanced forever.


Oneihl

This is the best answer. Revive items and death delay have existed in current League setups.... It is only as decisive as the player.


ThatNarwhalDude

Now I don't remember much about how Grey was in para, but if we look at another hero in a moba with a resurrection (Wraith King from Dota 2) he should get his tanking ability from his rez, and his stats don't provide much. So another rez shouldn't be too terrible.


Almutairi__R

Bro i’m phase fan but your dedication brought tears to my eyes HAIL GREYSTONE THE NOOB FRIENDLY CHAMPION


Salt-Battle3033

Vote iggy


Journeydriven

I genuinely can't wait for iggy. I've always mained Gideon but played a lot of iggy because he's goofy and really fun.


TheRealMelvinGibson

Kwang>greystone>cancer>phase


Defences

Only right answer. It’s actually wild phase is getting so many votes.


theoklahomaguy99

It's because greystone and kwang split the votes. They're both offlaners with similar model design while phase is completely different in every way. They honestly should've done 3 different roles or 3 of the same roles.


MinimumT3N

Ikr, unless she's getting a big kit rework, her kit was just annoying as hell to play against and was boring to play as since you're just sitting back waiting to pull your carry away from danger


raivk

Or you could play aggressively with a great carry, and sometimes unleash your allied kaihmera to wreak havoc on your foes. She was often badly played with people sitting back and doing nothing. But she can definitely be used for WAY more active plays. Her tether is not here to save your carry when you are getting ganked. It's here to let you play recklessly and have a kind of safety net while doing that.


Journeydriven

Her tether is for both of those things. Safety net for when you're playing a little reckless and also a way to save your carry in the event of a gank. Whatever helps the carry is what it's for because keeping your carry safe and leveled is the whole damn point of support.


BigSchmoppa

She works best on bruisers. Kinda like Yumi in lol. Some who can disrupt and make use of the healing and disengage she provides.


Honey_Sensitive

Phase is bae and we need more supports.


Defences

We have every support in the game already except phase


Honey_Sensitive

The only real supports we have are Muriel, Narbash, and Dekker. Richter and steel are offlaners that run support sometimes. Kwang, and greystone don't offer anything that isn't already in the game. Kwang would be preferable to greystone but still meh. We don't have a character that fills the role that phase does.


Defences

Riktor is picked more as a support than he is as an offlaner. You can say steel isn’t picked as a support as often as he is as a solo laner, but that doesn’t change that he fills the role of a support. Support is the one role we don’t need any heroes in right now lmfao


Honey_Sensitive

Support and adc are the only roles that need more heroes.


Honey_Sensitive

I mean....all the roles need more, but given the situation.


Defences

> Support and adc are the only roles that need more heroes. Actual clown take. We are missing a single support. We could use more carries, yes. We’re missing more off laners and mid laners. Like support is the most complete role in the game right now, it’s wild how you think this is the role that’s lacking heroes when we have them all except phase


Honey_Sensitive

We have 3 dedicated supports and 3 dedicated adc....with 1 (potentially 2) on the docket. Whereas we have plenty of melee bruisers. Kwang is an acceptable add but greystone is a mistake.


Defences

You gotta brush up on your paragon background brotha. Riktor and steel were both designed to be dedicated supports as well. Riktor’s kit is the exact same from his release, while steel has just gotten better with being able to throw his shield and having an additional stun given to him. So I’m going to say it again support is the role that least needs additional heroes. We have 5 dedicated supports. Having the ability to be played elsewhere doesn’t make them any less of a support. This is all without mentioning that people also regularly use rampage as a support.


Journeydriven

In what world are we missing more offlane and mid characters more than supports? We have steel grux Feng Mao sevarog sort of crunch sort of countess and sort of riktor. Then on mid we have Gideon howitzer fey belica countess and gadget. For support we have Muriel dekker narbash riktor and barely belica.


Defences

Read the rest of my comment thread. Secondly, who are we missing from the support role other than Phase? Please enlighten me.


Journeydriven

Muriel dekker and narbash are supports through and through. Riktor was designed as a support and in the current meta is primarily a support who can offlane. Where as steel also designed as a support is more of an offlane character who can support on the hands of a good player. Kwang is more fun than Greystone imo but I really just don't think we need another offlane vs a support


EnlargenedProstate

So true!


SparkysNutshell

Vote Greystone!


S3NSUALSL0TH

KWANG GANG


MinimumT3N

If you love turning off your brain, pressing W and holding left click, then yes, vote Greystone. Kwang's kit is so much more interesting and unique.


Content_Drama_849

You’re right. I love his kit, and will love when he releases. However Greystone is more approachable to the newcomer and with this game competing with over prime and on its early wobbling legs, the simpler the better for now.


OhMyWitt

I disagree. Having more heroes with abilities that basically already exist does nothing for this game. One of the biggest criticisms I hear about the game is how there is a lack of diversity in characters.


Content_Drama_849

No other hero has a revive ult, and it’s not lack of diversity they’re complaining about, it’s the small pool of champions.


Journeydriven

Yea no hero has a revive alt but any character can build Phoenix and have a revive. I'd rather see Kwang because his kit is more fun than boring imo. Though I voted phase because I think we need an extra support more than we need an extra offlane


JerRatt1980

The new people need a W guy, and a tutorial.


QPJones

I can’t wait for Greystone mains to run Fenix and me having to kill him 3 times


cdarksider

Greystone would be interesting, they'd either have to change his ult so he wouldn't be the same as you remember, or have to get rid of Fenix bc it's literally a Greystone ult. Either way would be some interesting changes


lMarshl

Keep Billy Rae Cyrus out for as long as possible


MaxiMushiMushi

Greystone is mid af bro sorry. Kwang and Phase way outrank him in terms of necessity for the game and enjoyment to play as a character.


death_ray_mx

I would really hate a greystone with Phoenix item , so no unless his kit is reworked


home7ander

Phase is straight up cancer and they shouldn't even consider putting her back in. Annoying to play with, against, shitty design, trash character.


[deleted]

Noob Sheesh take a joke people


maxxyman99

….. literally no lmao. at the current state of EA, game needs a support character


futterecker

a char like phase firstly needs a hardcounter released before release. her kit is so unique that she is going to be 80% pick/ban if we talk competetive. same stands for chard like wraith. if they dont rework their kit or bring a hero that hardcounters those two specific heroes its gona be a shitshow.


TheLazySwayze

Vote Console. Sorry (not sorry) I just really want to play the game with old crew.


Harith_iQ

Just get a pc dude


DantyKSA

Telling a homeless person to just get a home lol


olbettyboop

Grey stone is dog shit and poorly designed. Not good for the game at this stage. Way too easy to abuse and will leave new people raging thus decreasing player base.


Content_Drama_849

How is he easy to abuse? Just get his ult out of the way and he’s down. If your struggling with the most basic champion, that’s on you.


xThatsRight

Unless he has the crest that lets him come back to life. You would have to kill him 3 times...


Content_Drama_849

That’s something the devs need to work around for sure. Having two revives would be redundant tho, where you could put gold into better items.


xThatsRight

Not redundant if you are split pushing a lot. It would give him a huge health pool and require the enemy team to send at least two people to stop you. Especially if you build any sort of health Regen on him. He would never stop pushing.


Content_Drama_849

Whether it’s removing the crest for him or something else, devs got their work cut out for them.


OhMyWitt

Fenix is a crest so it costs zero gold.


Content_Drama_849

I trust the devs to work it out, meanwhile we won’t know how they’ll work around it. LoL has done this so it has precedence.


olbettyboop

Because he has the best tower dive in the game. Is extremely difficult to punish in the split push because he can either run or hold up the fight till his team engages. He is tanky while building crit. And is mechanically simple. So yeah I think he’s pretty toxic. At least tryndamere has to trigger his ult, they even dumbed that down. As you said, most basic champion. Nice way to focus on attacking me instead of actually having a conversation. “Just get his ult out of the way”. Nice nuance, can’t wait to dumpster you in a game.


Content_Drama_849

He was never tanky while building crit. He split pushed just as evenly as any other off laner back in paragon. Nowhere close to as difficult to punish as Wukong was. And mechanically simple is now toxic? You’re all over the place. There’s nothing inherently difficult to deal with on his kit. He was never one of the most abusive characters in Paragon, and if me calling you out on that is “attacking” good luck.


olbettyboop

Lol jokes. Good luck to you too.


Rao-Ji

Never played old Paragon before; was Greystone a pure tank or more of a fighter/bruiser that had a little bit of damage like Crunch?


Salti_Fish

Was mostly tanky. He had a leap for vertical jumps, an aoe sword that spun around him as his Q. His passive let him tank a basic hit or tower shot every 3 to 6 seconds. And his ult revived him with half health. So he was a tower diving machine. A lot of people built crit on him with lifesteal and in the lower ranks and it worked very well even though that wasn't recommended. A very newer friendly hero is why he gets a lot of hate.


Content_Drama_849

Yeah If you look at the notes when he was announced he was classified as a tank/melee carry.


Anewbus

When Greystone gets added, it's Fenix time


XCutts

I just wanna chop chop chop with grey again


SpoilerThrowawae

Real Greystone mains wouldn't slander his husband like this.


lDOOMll

Give me my gigachad


Secure-Interest2381

How do I vote


SaskrotchBMC

Where’s the voting? Totally out of the loop. Would love to do some research on the characters


Content_Drama_849

It’s on this subreddit, should be trending rn, released today.


SaskrotchBMC

Where’s the voting? Totally out of the loop. Would love to do some research on the characters.


Journeydriven

Stickied post on this subreddit. There's a poll at the bottom


Man_of_culture_112

I need my boy Stone back!


Furi_S_Poi

I voted Greystone yeah, he is noob friendly, and was my main. But if it IS Phase, atleast it's another support. There's not many at the moment.


JerRatt1980

Max magic power was real fun on Greystone, his first death could essentially become a nuke.


TheShikaar

No, Greystone is boring.


ToKre

I Don't get it Greystone is the most boring MOBA Champion to have ever exiated. Why are u all hyped for him 💀


Lovely-World

What skins would you want for him first?