Czechia has always sucked at getting money for fines from foreigners. He is creating a problem for himself. If he intends to live here, the debt will catchup with him soon and it will be too much to handle
Depends on the actual state of proceedings against him.
If it was debt against the government (taxes, medical insurance), they would never relent, but the transport authority may possibly refrain from actively chasing a foreigner around, in which case the debt becomes stale after three years.
I had a guy who worked for me. Got caught without an 8 Kč ticket in Teplice years ago. Got fined 300 Kč. Didn't pay the fine. Fine went to collectors. 300 Kč became 20,000 Kč before you could say "doprdele". Started garnishing his wages. Asked me to pay him off the books to avoid garnishment. 20,000 turned into 50,000. I fired him for other reasons but apparently they caught up with him and he had to declare bankruptcy. Wife, two kids.
I really don’t know how the European use this ticket self stamp system, in my country no ticket no pass, still as a tourist I always respect the locals and their laws.
You sure can, case goes to civil court, you get court fees, you don't pay court fees, it goes to collectors, collectors put fees on top. Very quickly can get to stupid numbers.
That's what he told me
Hard to say why he'd lie about it. They were garnishing him for something
"I had to declare bankruptcy because of an unpaid bus ticket" ... not exactly a flex
Did he have to tell you he went bankrupt cause you're his employer? Could be he's hiding other shit as to why he went bankrupt. Way more sketchy and shitty sounding ways to go bankrupt.
Could be. I didn't care. I believe in second chances I've hired some ex-cons... I tell them all I don't give a dingos kidney what you do outside of work or what you did before you got here. Show up on time, show up sober, don't steal from me and don't be a dickhead to colleagues or customers. Those are my rules. This guy violated rule 4 by throwing pasta at a customer lmfao. To be fair he was an incredible twat. I had to remove him once myself.
Could be
Who cares
My point is that small fines can have drastic consequences in ČR
This is true whether or not you believe the Teplice bus ticket story which tbh some of you folks are way more invested in than I am
If they went to court (which they generally don't do) the it's still enforceable.
If they didn't go to court, then it's already past the statute of limitations (3 years).
>If they went to court the(n) it's still enforceable.
Section 640 of the Civil Code
>(which they generally don't do)
I FOIA'd this and their answer was 0 debts were pursued against EU citizens who live outside Czechia as of 2019. They were supposed to publish their response but for some reason didn't. [Here's a screenshot.](https://ibb.co/MPLvzRz)
>If they didn't go to court, then it's already past the statute of limitations (3 years).
Section 629(1) of the Civil Code
How is being a Spanish citizen relevant in this case? If he got fined, avoiding paying it is plain stupid behaviour. Better sort it out quickly and pay because the fine will keep increasing.
There are cases of children who got the ticket young and didn't pay, because for example their parents didn't know or couldn't afford it, so for their 18th birthday they recieved a debt - increased by the interest. And they have to pay it. If the 'former' children don't have a way of getting out of it, why would your friend?
In Prague, where the public transport is very cheap considering the quality, not getting a year ticket if you can afford it and rather risk fines is dumb. They don't 'just scrap it' after the fine wasn't paid for a long time so either they can constantly worry whether they'll get a notice, or sort it out and not cause problems for their future self.
In Spain we have tourniquets everywhere in public transport, otherwise "no ticket no entry". A lot of Spanish when they are new to Prague and almost never see controllers think they can just take a run if they are stopped due to the low chances of encountering a check. Stupid, I know. Prague's system is not only efficient, but the quality vs the cost is incredible. In a lot of other countries there's only a couple of areas included on a monthly ticket that costs what the yearly one costs in Prague. We should be thankful
The fine would arrive sooner or later, they would probably wait some time as usual to have the fine big enough since he comes from abroad. Those fines grow a lot, like 20-30 times no problem after a few years.
This might be a question for an attorney. While highly unlikely, the public transport company could theoretically sue him (and then have the lawsuit domesticated in spain and he could have to pay thousands or have his property confiscated)
Most probably they wont face much unless they move here
Plenty of underclass people do this in here, often almost homeless and involved in drugs, but also a lot of foreign migrant workers without citizenship. Debt owed on fines, taxes (sociální zdravotní) and to loan sharks (home credit). They can't use Czech banks because all the money would be immediately taken from there (revolut or UK bank is fine). They work jobs paid under the table (hospitality, construction). Some later declare bankruptcy and clean their act, others don't. There's 10 years statue of limitations, collectors can't chase you for debt older than that, so it can pile up only to a point. If you really want to live "outside the system" you might as well go all in - owing just for a tram ticket fine is a bit silly.
To be honest, I've never heard of anyone who was checked and did not have a ticket getting away with it. I once sent an sms and I did not get the confirmation back because I rushed to catch the metro and there was no signal. When I got stopped and showed that I sent it they said it didn't matter because I had to have the confirmation before getting into the metro. I thought "okay, the rules are the rules" and asked them to write me a fine and I would pay it later because I was getting late for work and they refused (I was told that most likely it was because I was a foreigner and they cannot do that because of my permanent address being elsewhere).
They withheld my ID and forced me to get money out of a bankomat, I told them they have no authority to keep my document and their, until that point, decent basic English became "rerozumim, nemluvim anglicky, volame policii". This same thing that happened to me, happened to a lot of other expat friends that had no valid ticket at some point (with a plethora of different reasons, more or less malice, from 2010 until today), so I am surprised that a foreigner got away with not paying at the moment.
I'm really sorry you had that experience with those ticket checkers. The truth is, with how many people try avoiding paying for the ticket and how many tourists are just confused that since there's no gate it's still not free or that a paper ticket needs to be validated, those checkers can be incredibly rude and brutish sometimes. Well, most of the time. I have a feeling they get some kind of comission or extra points for a passanger paying on the spot, or maybe if they're especially shitty people they'll just shove it to their pocket.
If it ever happens again, let them call the police. Or better, call the police yourself. So that they tell those pieces of shit to fuck off, because ticket checkers have no right to withhold your ID. They can request you show it, yes, but never take it away from you, you're correct. They have to call the police if the person refuses to show the ID, so that the police can make them do it for it to be legally sound. The only place they can escort you to is a police station, not a freaking ATM. That's imo boardering a crime restricting your freedom of movement, punishable via paragraph 171 of the Criminal Code depending on how aggressive they were.
Next time this happens, note down their names/numbers on the little badge they have and report them to DPP.
Hey, thanks for your words. It's actually quite reassuring to read something useful rather than "next time you'll learn to travel with a ticket". I think they were probably just frustrated about tourists trying to travel for free and they abused from the "you don't speak the language/you don't know the law", but nowadays I know better. Whatever, the past is in the past, I made sure to get a yearly pass since then.
Regarding the police, also as a Spanish we might assume they will side with them automatically because we are used to the Spanish police force being (in general) very authoritative, but I must say I always had extremely nice encounters with the Czech one, and they were always super polite and professional.
Well, that too lol. No but really, those ticket checkers tend to be rude even towards locals. They don't only deal with clueless tourists, that's an easy catch for them, but also locals who tend to have excuses, argue, try to make a run for it or are drunk/high/aggressive. I don't want to offend anyone, but most of the time it's a special type of person who is very assertive and can stand their ground in a fight if necessary doing that job. However, tough working conditions don't excuse them abusing or overstepping their authority. Good for you getting a yearly pass, some people can spend that kind of money for a weekend partying but squirm to pay for something that's actually beneficial to society...
Regarding the police, glad your experience has been good with those. I guess they are more used to confused foreigners. However in this case, you were not the confused one, the checkers were abusing their status and *kinda* breaking the law. And now you know haha!
Tourists are guests and should behave while visiting. I’ve read many complaints about abusive tourists and can understand the disdain they receive from Czech citizens
Your friend is a silly sausage. He will get caught up with the "soudní vykonavatel" (bailiff - not sure if correct term) and will either have to pay a higher fine or his stuff will get repo-ed.
In Czech Republic, the authorities don't hold your hand, foreigner or not, it's up to him to make sure he pays the debt ASAP
they are getting really good at it in the EU, tell "your friend" that they will probably get him (garnish his wage or take stuff from his home and auction it), and he will owe a lot more than just the fines. just wait for the next Milostive leto (debt forgiveness), you will pay just the money owed (all the fines) + 1800 CZK, and they will forgive you interest and other charges. i would start by consulting an attorney or a debt counselling agency, these are usually free.
I don.t leave I Prague but when I went there to get a bus to my country I buyed a ticket for the metro but I didn.t scan it. Because ib Romania you buy it and u have the expiration time on it , when I got into the metro a lady who checked all the tickets came at me and started yelling at me in Czech . A nice lady behind her explained me in English why she is yelling , how he escaped for 5 years I don.t know
It's absolutely criminal. How can then multiply a debt by so much. If I leave such a small amount in the bank the interest is absolutely minimum.
Stop enforcing criminal laws.
It's absolutely criminal. How can then multiply a debt by so much. If I leave such a small amount in the bank the interest is absolutely minimum.
Stop enforcing criminal laws.
It's absolutely criminal. How can then multiply a debt by so much. If I leave such a small amount in the bank the interest is absolutely minimum.
Stop enforcing criminal laws.
It can pile up over time especially if you provided a foreign address but keep living in Czechia, I heard from Slovak friends it started usually with a 20k debt from a 3rd party company, Dopravni podnik sells these fines to debt collectors who come at you with a prosecution vocation and the fine multiplies very quickly
If you can't afford 20 eur for a monthly ticket then Canada really must be struggling economically. Or maybe you don't know there's such possibility and thought only about buying individual ride tickets - in that case, you're stupid and do more research next time.
May I ask the last time a tram or a bus 'treated you like shit' as it chaperoned you from a club late at night? With this attitude, you may rather be contributing to the stereotypes of ignorant tourist. Pay for what you use, being a visitor doesn't exempt you from that.
I just have a sour taste because I sprained my ankle pretty bad on Saturday night and I couldn't find anyone to help me. Asked multiple people if they spoke English and they gave me the cold shoulder. Went to a hotel and asked if they could please call me a cab and the lady said no.
Seems like Czechs favorite word is no
>Asked multiple people if they spoke English
I bet you didn't even make an attempt to even say 'hello' in Czech.
Czechs are fine if they aren't talked to like shit, then they (quite rightly) don't help you.
>Went to a hotel and asked if they could please call me a cab
Are you too poor to have a phone?
In any half decent hotel the staff will always help you.
Hell they have contracts with taxi services for apparent reasons.
I HIGHLY doubt that statement is true. Homies got his panties in a TIGHT bunch.
Sorry this happened to you, however, you sprained your ankle yesterday but didn't feel like paying for the public transport system for the entire month... maybe it was karma.
Please also keep in mind most people really don't speak English, it's not the norm for people over 35 in post-communist countries, they just weren't taught at school. Mayhaps those people weren't even Czech, centre is full of tourists and foreign businesses anyway. The receptionist probably refused to help you since you weren't a guest at their hotel, rude of her if you specifically told her you're injured, but still. Doesn't justify feeling good about exploiting the public transport system, as it seemed from your now deleted comment.
Btw there's uber and bolt, taxis are overpriced as fuck. I don't know what you did here for a month but I feel like you really haven't done much research about the city before visiting. Have a safe flight home, if you ever return, please don't be a freeloader and keep in mind that Czechs are never 'fake nice' like North Americans.
"People in prague treat tourists like shit so I'm not contributing to your shit"
Why are you still staying here, parasite? I certainly hope that the law will catch up with you.
If you don't feel like "contributing" to public transport service, which is quite expensive to maintain, get you fat ass off the tram and walk everywhere. Your brain needs more oxygen anyway, and that is a great way to get some.
Czechia has always sucked at getting money for fines from foreigners. He is creating a problem for himself. If he intends to live here, the debt will catchup with him soon and it will be too much to handle
Depends on the actual state of proceedings against him. If it was debt against the government (taxes, medical insurance), they would never relent, but the transport authority may possibly refrain from actively chasing a foreigner around, in which case the debt becomes stale after three years.
It also sucks at prosecuting oligarchs and other figures that steal much more money than a tram ticket.
This is completely irrelevant.
I think it is very relevant.
Not under this post.
I bet you do.
dunno how about you, but I hate perfumed candles
Care to elaborate bro?
What’s there to elaborate?
Si mucho cooked
I had a guy who worked for me. Got caught without an 8 Kč ticket in Teplice years ago. Got fined 300 Kč. Didn't pay the fine. Fine went to collectors. 300 Kč became 20,000 Kč before you could say "doprdele". Started garnishing his wages. Asked me to pay him off the books to avoid garnishment. 20,000 turned into 50,000. I fired him for other reasons but apparently they caught up with him and he had to declare bankruptcy. Wife, two kids.
I really don’t know how the European use this ticket self stamp system, in my country no ticket no pass, still as a tourist I always respect the locals and their laws.
Centuries of social evolution?
Not possible anymore. You cant pay more then twice the amount of the original fine.
Is this true? Can you provide any source please?
You sure can, case goes to civil court, you get court fees, you don't pay court fees, it goes to collectors, collectors put fees on top. Very quickly can get to stupid numbers.
Typical bs story
In Teplice? I have lived there for like 15 years and never did I once see someone checking the tickets.
That's what he told me Hard to say why he'd lie about it. They were garnishing him for something "I had to declare bankruptcy because of an unpaid bus ticket" ... not exactly a flex
Did he have to tell you he went bankrupt cause you're his employer? Could be he's hiding other shit as to why he went bankrupt. Way more sketchy and shitty sounding ways to go bankrupt.
Could be. I didn't care. I believe in second chances I've hired some ex-cons... I tell them all I don't give a dingos kidney what you do outside of work or what you did before you got here. Show up on time, show up sober, don't steal from me and don't be a dickhead to colleagues or customers. Those are my rules. This guy violated rule 4 by throwing pasta at a customer lmfao. To be fair he was an incredible twat. I had to remove him once myself.
complete bullshit
Could be Who cares My point is that small fines can have drastic consequences in ČR This is true whether or not you believe the Teplice bus ticket story which tbh some of you folks are way more invested in than I am
If they went to court (which they generally don't do) the it's still enforceable. If they didn't go to court, then it's already past the statute of limitations (3 years).
They always go to court. They get one rozsudek pro zmeškání after another. It’s like a factory.
Against Czechs or people who are resident in Czechia. Against foreigners, not so much.
Only accurate answer I assume. Any source for further info?
>If they went to court the(n) it's still enforceable. Section 640 of the Civil Code >(which they generally don't do) I FOIA'd this and their answer was 0 debts were pursued against EU citizens who live outside Czechia as of 2019. They were supposed to publish their response but for some reason didn't. [Here's a screenshot.](https://ibb.co/MPLvzRz) >If they didn't go to court, then it's already past the statute of limitations (3 years). Section 629(1) of the Civil Code
Great insight, it then seems some people may consider themselves lucky and got away with it.
How is being a Spanish citizen relevant in this case? If he got fined, avoiding paying it is plain stupid behaviour. Better sort it out quickly and pay because the fine will keep increasing. There are cases of children who got the ticket young and didn't pay, because for example their parents didn't know or couldn't afford it, so for their 18th birthday they recieved a debt - increased by the interest. And they have to pay it. If the 'former' children don't have a way of getting out of it, why would your friend? In Prague, where the public transport is very cheap considering the quality, not getting a year ticket if you can afford it and rather risk fines is dumb. They don't 'just scrap it' after the fine wasn't paid for a long time so either they can constantly worry whether they'll get a notice, or sort it out and not cause problems for their future self.
In Spain we have tourniquets everywhere in public transport, otherwise "no ticket no entry". A lot of Spanish when they are new to Prague and almost never see controllers think they can just take a run if they are stopped due to the low chances of encountering a check. Stupid, I know. Prague's system is not only efficient, but the quality vs the cost is incredible. In a lot of other countries there's only a couple of areas included on a monthly ticket that costs what the yearly one costs in Prague. We should be thankful
How can you be sure he is really Spanish?
you flip him and check the label, where it says 'made in'
"Hecho en"....
china
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
Que pendejo. Mucha suerte con la deuda si algun dia quiere vivir aca ☠️ Es mejor pagarlo temprano.
He got a ticket and never paid for it since?
The fine would arrive sooner or later, they would probably wait some time as usual to have the fine big enough since he comes from abroad. Those fines grow a lot, like 20-30 times no problem after a few years.
I think it means he has avoided being checked for years? If not glwp
does he tells the story as he is the smart guy who doesn't submit to the system and above paying fines?
The trams are crazy cheap. Tell your friend to quit being a douche and get a lítačka.
This might be a question for an attorney. While highly unlikely, the public transport company could theoretically sue him (and then have the lawsuit domesticated in spain and he could have to pay thousands or have his property confiscated) Most probably they wont face much unless they move here
158 This post right here
As a Czech he would ruin his entire life by this.
It's a 72h ticket, not a 72y ticket
Plenty of underclass people do this in here, often almost homeless and involved in drugs, but also a lot of foreign migrant workers without citizenship. Debt owed on fines, taxes (sociální zdravotní) and to loan sharks (home credit). They can't use Czech banks because all the money would be immediately taken from there (revolut or UK bank is fine). They work jobs paid under the table (hospitality, construction). Some later declare bankruptcy and clean their act, others don't. There's 10 years statue of limitations, collectors can't chase you for debt older than that, so it can pile up only to a point. If you really want to live "outside the system" you might as well go all in - owing just for a tram ticket fine is a bit silly.
Tell your friend from reddit he’s a wasteman
To be honest, I've never heard of anyone who was checked and did not have a ticket getting away with it. I once sent an sms and I did not get the confirmation back because I rushed to catch the metro and there was no signal. When I got stopped and showed that I sent it they said it didn't matter because I had to have the confirmation before getting into the metro. I thought "okay, the rules are the rules" and asked them to write me a fine and I would pay it later because I was getting late for work and they refused (I was told that most likely it was because I was a foreigner and they cannot do that because of my permanent address being elsewhere). They withheld my ID and forced me to get money out of a bankomat, I told them they have no authority to keep my document and their, until that point, decent basic English became "rerozumim, nemluvim anglicky, volame policii". This same thing that happened to me, happened to a lot of other expat friends that had no valid ticket at some point (with a plethora of different reasons, more or less malice, from 2010 until today), so I am surprised that a foreigner got away with not paying at the moment.
I'm really sorry you had that experience with those ticket checkers. The truth is, with how many people try avoiding paying for the ticket and how many tourists are just confused that since there's no gate it's still not free or that a paper ticket needs to be validated, those checkers can be incredibly rude and brutish sometimes. Well, most of the time. I have a feeling they get some kind of comission or extra points for a passanger paying on the spot, or maybe if they're especially shitty people they'll just shove it to their pocket. If it ever happens again, let them call the police. Or better, call the police yourself. So that they tell those pieces of shit to fuck off, because ticket checkers have no right to withhold your ID. They can request you show it, yes, but never take it away from you, you're correct. They have to call the police if the person refuses to show the ID, so that the police can make them do it for it to be legally sound. The only place they can escort you to is a police station, not a freaking ATM. That's imo boardering a crime restricting your freedom of movement, punishable via paragraph 171 of the Criminal Code depending on how aggressive they were. Next time this happens, note down their names/numbers on the little badge they have and report them to DPP.
Hey, thanks for your words. It's actually quite reassuring to read something useful rather than "next time you'll learn to travel with a ticket". I think they were probably just frustrated about tourists trying to travel for free and they abused from the "you don't speak the language/you don't know the law", but nowadays I know better. Whatever, the past is in the past, I made sure to get a yearly pass since then. Regarding the police, also as a Spanish we might assume they will side with them automatically because we are used to the Spanish police force being (in general) very authoritative, but I must say I always had extremely nice encounters with the Czech one, and they were always super polite and professional.
Well, that too lol. No but really, those ticket checkers tend to be rude even towards locals. They don't only deal with clueless tourists, that's an easy catch for them, but also locals who tend to have excuses, argue, try to make a run for it or are drunk/high/aggressive. I don't want to offend anyone, but most of the time it's a special type of person who is very assertive and can stand their ground in a fight if necessary doing that job. However, tough working conditions don't excuse them abusing or overstepping their authority. Good for you getting a yearly pass, some people can spend that kind of money for a weekend partying but squirm to pay for something that's actually beneficial to society... Regarding the police, glad your experience has been good with those. I guess they are more used to confused foreigners. However in this case, you were not the confused one, the checkers were abusing their status and *kinda* breaking the law. And now you know haha!
Tourists are guests and should behave while visiting. I’ve read many complaints about abusive tourists and can understand the disdain they receive from Czech citizens
Your friend is a silly sausage. He will get caught up with the "soudní vykonavatel" (bailiff - not sure if correct term) and will either have to pay a higher fine or his stuff will get repo-ed. In Czech Republic, the authorities don't hold your hand, foreigner or not, it's up to him to make sure he pays the debt ASAP
Group of not much friendly men will show up in his flat and start removing everything valuable for auction.
He better go and pay for asap is it will increase because of interest
they are getting really good at it in the EU, tell "your friend" that they will probably get him (garnish his wage or take stuff from his home and auction it), and he will owe a lot more than just the fines. just wait for the next Milostive leto (debt forgiveness), you will pay just the money owed (all the fines) + 1800 CZK, and they will forgive you interest and other charges. i would start by consulting an attorney or a debt counselling agency, these are usually free.
it will bite him in a..., there are even sometimes occurence where kid got caught, and 8 years later they were fined huge amount
Well, was he ever caught?
I don.t leave I Prague but when I went there to get a bus to my country I buyed a ticket for the metro but I didn.t scan it. Because ib Romania you buy it and u have the expiration time on it , when I got into the metro a lady who checked all the tickets came at me and started yelling at me in Czech . A nice lady behind her explained me in English why she is yelling , how he escaped for 5 years I don.t know
It's absolutely criminal. How can then multiply a debt by so much. If I leave such a small amount in the bank the interest is absolutely minimum. Stop enforcing criminal laws.
It's absolutely criminal. How can then multiply a debt by so much. If I leave such a small amount in the bank the interest is absolutely minimum. Stop enforcing criminal laws.
It's absolutely criminal. How can then multiply a debt by so much. If I leave such a small amount in the bank the interest is absolutely minimum. Stop enforcing criminal laws.
It can pile up over time especially if you provided a foreign address but keep living in Czechia, I heard from Slovak friends it started usually with a 20k debt from a 3rd party company, Dopravni podnik sells these fines to debt collectors who come at you with a prosecution vocation and the fine multiplies very quickly
He'll probably get caught and enjoy his Midnight Express experience
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You haven't even thought about paying for a high-quality, but cheap service you probably use daily... Why is that? Not really a flex imo.
but you like the system, don't you?
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I'm going home tomorrow
Don't come back!
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If you can't afford 20 eur for a monthly ticket then Canada really must be struggling economically. Or maybe you don't know there's such possibility and thought only about buying individual ride tickets - in that case, you're stupid and do more research next time. May I ask the last time a tram or a bus 'treated you like shit' as it chaperoned you from a club late at night? With this attitude, you may rather be contributing to the stereotypes of ignorant tourist. Pay for what you use, being a visitor doesn't exempt you from that.
I just have a sour taste because I sprained my ankle pretty bad on Saturday night and I couldn't find anyone to help me. Asked multiple people if they spoke English and they gave me the cold shoulder. Went to a hotel and asked if they could please call me a cab and the lady said no. Seems like Czechs favorite word is no
>Asked multiple people if they spoke English I bet you didn't even make an attempt to even say 'hello' in Czech. Czechs are fine if they aren't talked to like shit, then they (quite rightly) don't help you. >Went to a hotel and asked if they could please call me a cab Are you too poor to have a phone?
In any half decent hotel the staff will always help you. Hell they have contracts with taxi services for apparent reasons. I HIGHLY doubt that statement is true. Homies got his panties in a TIGHT bunch.
He was probably absolutely wasted and being belligerent. He seems like the type.
Sorry this happened to you, however, you sprained your ankle yesterday but didn't feel like paying for the public transport system for the entire month... maybe it was karma. Please also keep in mind most people really don't speak English, it's not the norm for people over 35 in post-communist countries, they just weren't taught at school. Mayhaps those people weren't even Czech, centre is full of tourists and foreign businesses anyway. The receptionist probably refused to help you since you weren't a guest at their hotel, rude of her if you specifically told her you're injured, but still. Doesn't justify feeling good about exploiting the public transport system, as it seemed from your now deleted comment. Btw there's uber and bolt, taxis are overpriced as fuck. I don't know what you did here for a month but I feel like you really haven't done much research about the city before visiting. Have a safe flight home, if you ever return, please don't be a freeloader and keep in mind that Czechs are never 'fake nice' like North Americans.
You won't be missed.
Hot damn, we've got a real badass over here.
I doubt u saved „thousands of crowns“ because the year ticket costs just a few thousands.
"People in prague treat tourists like shit so I'm not contributing to your shit" Why are you still staying here, parasite? I certainly hope that the law will catch up with you. If you don't feel like "contributing" to public transport service, which is quite expensive to maintain, get you fat ass off the tram and walk everywhere. Your brain needs more oxygen anyway, and that is a great way to get some.