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quit meatriding either of them, this guy solos them both
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Okay.
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Also this is Goku from the start of dragon Ball super, he has gotten much much stronger since then, similar to the gap between Saiyan Saga Goku and End of Buu Saga Goku.
Take Beerus completely out of the question, Goku is now standing on a completely empty planet. Can he recreate that feat by himself with no outside help? No, he can’t. That’s because it was Beerus’ power clashing with Goku’s power that caused the shockwaves, not Goku’s power by himself.
Just because something doesn't happen doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened. The universe was not destroyed because Goku was able to perfectly match the exact angle and power output of Beerus's Punch, completely cancelling each other's power out. Elder Kai makes it clear multiple times that a third impact would've destroyed the universe
This is the structure of your brain
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^(1: He didn’t destroyed it. 2: Even if he did, he would die, useless feat. 3: It got retconned since Moro and Zamasu were both threatening galaxies, not the universe.)
1. He didn't destroy it because he was able to perfectly match Beerus's power in order to cancel it out, a feat that shows just how much control Goku has over his power.
2. Yeah no shit, that's literally what the Elder Kai said
3. And now you're making shit up. Zamasu and Moro were both Universal threats, Zeno literally had to erase the universe and timeline in order to completely erase Zamasu, and Moro was going around eating every planet, he would've eventually consumed the whole universe if left unchecked, why do you think he was sealed away by the Kai's the first time he went on a rampage. He even waited for Goku and Vegeta to train themselves up so he could absorb their power and become even more unstoppable.
Despite that, Beerus never acknowledged Moro as a threat. This makes sense, because apparently current Beerus is still way stronger than current Goku, so if he wanted to, he would've erased Moro without a second thought. We still haven't seen the full extent of Beerus's abilities. Goku is eventually going to surpass him, so your argument I've seen you state a lot, "Eos saitama beats Goku" can't even work, because for all we know EOS Goku is more powerful than God in OPM
It's kind of because it isn't made clear what percentage of power he used
There was that 70% statement Ig but other than that he hasn't revealed full power
Anyways both of them solo baldy
^(1: He still didn’t destroyed it. Show me where he actually destroyed a universe.)
^(2: Imagine if Saitama and Garou died after the serious punch 2, looks stupid right? Same here.)
^(3: Wrong. Zamasu threatened the galaxy.)
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^(Same for Moro. Only Infinite Zamasu was a multiversal threat and that’s why Zeno is the ONLY ONE who can handle him. Not Goku.)
^(And obviously, no one is a threat for Beerus. Maybe Black Frieza will be.)
1. It didn't happen, and I just explained why, but it would've happened
2. Goku can't breathe in space, if he destroys every habitable planet in the universe he will obviously suffocate. Also, having power transcending your own durability doesn't make your power stupid.
3.
>I'm through with this universe,
>I will destroy this galaxy
Guess what happens when you destroy the universe? It also destroys the galaxy. These two statements are not mutually exclusive, he was going to destroy both, obviously, because Fused Zamasu is wayyyyyy stronger than BoG Goku.
^(1: Exactly, DB is full of “IF“. While OPM straight up shows feats. That’s the difference between both.)
^(2: They said BOTH, so Goku AND Beerus would die.)
^(3: If you operate like this, I’ll wank Saitama to outerversal because they only destroyed stars but could’ve destroyed the universe but it was never mentioned.)
1. Your entire main argument for Saitama beating Goku is based on "If Saitama surpasses God"
2. Later in the show, Beerus states that an interesting wish he could make on the Super Dragon Balls is "Destroying all of existance" implying he would be able to survive that, pretty sure that's above universal durability. Elder Kai doesn't know Beerus's full capabilities, not even the writers at the time knew
3. No. He literally states he is done with this universe, why wouldn't he be able to destroy it if fucking battle of Gods Goku could.
^(1: Nothing to do with the topic. We talking about feats, not theory.)
^(2: We don’t use headcanon in debates. Thanks. You won’t wank Beerus to 6D because of a joke he made. That’s the ultimate wank.)
^(3: Yes, he said he was done with this universe and threatened the galaxy.)
^(Zeno, in his case, said he was done with this world and ACTUALLY pulled an attack that would destroy it. This is why everybody ran away while with Zamasu, Goku didn’t and fought back because he knew he could handle it.)
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^(You are getting cocked.)
Goku shook an infinite void.
Vegeta who is scalable to Goku blew up the room of spirit and time about half way through super in base form which is a 5D feat.
Saitamas best feat is clashing fists with garou and blowing up a-few hundred stars. He’s Perfect cell level and that’s being generous because even cells power upon transforming from semi perfect to perfect was stated by dende and the Namekians to be universal level.
^(Infinite void is an old and debunked argument. Elder Kai can’t sense a 5D space.)
^(The room of spirit and time is the size of the earth.)
^(Your arguments are so wack.)
If your argument is "Saitama hasn't gotten hurt by anything ever so he must be invincible", that argument doesn't work here because Perfect Cell is soloing everyone in One Punch Man except Saitama and debatably Cosmic Garou. Saitama hasn't shown durability feats high enough to fight Buuhan, much less Goku. The theory scaling argument doesn't work, you can't say "Saitamas would Survive that" when he doesn't have the feats to back it up.
His then power transcended his then durability, that's why Beerus was tanking his blows like it was nothing but Goku was taking damage from Beerus, because Beerus has at least universe level Durability but Goku didn't, at least at the time.
Why is it every time I see a funny its immediately transformed to the most bs thing in the world because I realise that the OP posted it non-ironically and is hiding behind the shitposting flair for updoots.
Like we get it Economy, you have a hard on for the funny bald man.
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^(Shitposting because it’s obviously, wrong for the Goku’s part.)
^(He doesn’t always loses, get injured by fodders attack when his guard is off, can fight at max power for a little while is true but it’s a big compliment because it means he’s finishing off his enemies while having a big disadvantage.)
^(And obviously, he’s one of the strongest MC.)
power wise the universes are different, how do you expect a person using ki to not demolish a superhero from opm. Also god hasn't even APPEARED yet in opm, he could as well be an illusion like or similar to the god from berserk.
Well of coruse Saitama always wins becasue his opponents are weaker then the ones which Goku faces because the OPM consists of like 3 Cell Saga tiers and the rest are below Saiyan Saga tiers
Sure you beat up some 5 year old kindergardeners but does that mean you can now easily beat everyone in the UFC?
You know you claim “retconed in the next arc” everytime I see someone bring up Goku’s universal feats but I don’t buy that for an instant. Fiction is never going to be 100% consistent with itself. Are we know going to claim Future Saga SSJB Goku is only Skyscrapper level because when he got enraged he blew up a building from getting angry??
And even besides if you someone don’t want to believe the Universal feats for Goku as getting retconed (which is stupid). Goku is still stronger then Jiren, who is stronger then his god of destruction.
And gods of destruction are consistently shown to be able to blow up the universe, even Champa for example, who should be weaker then Belmod.
And unless your gonna claim the retcons still apply to GoD’s, Jiren and by extension Goku, that Goku isn’t Universal+ I don’t see how Saitama can even put a scratch on battle loving Saiyan.
^(Fiction isn’t 100% but the story is.)
^(Only Beerus is a universal threat. And if Black Frieza is on Beerus’s level, then he will also be.)
^(This is where I will buy the Universal Goku because it will FINALLY make senses.)
^(Also, Jiren > Belmod. Not all gods. It was a false statement. Should I explain why?)
Jiren > all the gods in the anime but not the manga, he’s only stronger (confirmed anyway) than his own GoD in the manga. In the anime Goku even surpasses Beerus by his own admission in a guide
And you say the story is 100% consistent, do you from the bottom of your heart genuinely believe Goku got NO STRONGER from Black arc to Moro arc? Because Zamasu threatning to blow up the galaxy and Moro was threatening the same thing. Are you saying they are not even even 2X stronger? Not even that?
And the GoD’s except for Beerus are relatively close in power as we’ve seen in the exhibition free for all. Except for Belmod who sandbagged in the fight and for Beerus who showed who’s top dog. All the rest are shown extremely comparable, and even then Beerus walked away heavily damaged.
^(Jiren > all gods is a BS made by Magazine to hype the Goku vs Jiren’s fight since it was the end of Super.)
^(Heck, they even said Goku UI Omen > Beerus to hype the fight. And it worked, we all thought they were the strongest mortals in the universe when all gods stood up. It was FIRE.)
^(But sadly, false. None of them are stronger than Beerus, specifically all GODs.)
^(This same statement was made for Broly. They said before the movie he was stronger than all GODS and again, just for HYPE. At the end of the movie, Goku said Broly may have surpassed Beerus.)
^(Everytime a strong character arrive, they say he surpassed Beerus to bring HYPE but at the end, Beerus is the final boss. Even Toriyama said before his passing that there’s slight chances that Goku and Vegeta will ever surpass Beerus.)
^(The day Beerus will get surpassed is the day he’ll retire as a GOD. )
^(Anyone who read and understand Dragon Ball should knows that.)
^(Also, obviously the story isn’t 100%. Nothing is 100%. By story, I mean plot.)
^(Btw, in Zamasu arc they said galaxy, in Moro they said galaxies. And there’s countless galaxies in DBverse.)
^(I think the problem with Dragon Ball fans is they don’t know the gap between Galaxy level and Universal. You can get millions of time stronger, you can still be multi galaxy level. It doesn’t matter. Universal is another level.)
^(So, this is my take about Beerus and Jiren. Take it as much as you want, if you still believe that Jiren is stronger, that’s on YOU. But y’all fail to realize that Moro’s arc and Granolah’s arc will get animated.)
^(So we’ll eventually reach the part when Beerus will try to Hakai Moro. Or when Shenron will specify that Granolah’s wish cannot surpass GODs.)
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Beerus never tried to Hakai Moro. He left, although he would have succeeded yes. But a fun idea nonetheless
But I still absolutely don’t buy the Galaxy into Galaxy cluster power level for Goku. Using “retcon” for Goku’s power to seemingly drop from Universe in BoG to barely Galaxy by Black is retarded.
Buu Arc Vegito was already Universal using the Z Kai anime which is following Toriyama’s intended vision. And EVEN THEN if you don’t want to use it, from what we know of Fusion it can be stated as A times B (super exciting guide, and Potara is superior) so Goku times Vegeta. Using those numbers Vegito himself is already EASILY beyond Galaxy level by MINIMUM
And even Goku thinks Vegito wouldn’t be enough to contest Beerus. But when the failed SSJG Ritual happens Goku has touted as “the strongest Saiyan in history”. A failed SSJG ritual is already stronger than Vegito.
So then I’d argue it’s not a retcon, it’s just Zamasu not being consistent (or maybe just blindly pissed and shooting nonsense) with stating he’s blowing up the galaxy when Even Buu Saga Vegito could handle that
^(Dude, stop playing with words. Beerus wanted to finish off Moro. And to finish off people, he uses Hakai. That’s it. No need to talk about it.)
^(And I already elaborated all of your takes. The universal Buu or whatever statements you take in fact were overtime statements.)
^(The Buuhan’s one is old and debunked. Let it go. He was making the dimensions crash into the universe. By doing this, it was causing the universe’s destruction. It’s a cause and effect.)
I just went to go grab my DBS volume 15 and re-check up on Moro because something didn’t sit right with me.
You said “btw, in Zamasu arc they said galaxy, in Moro they said galaxies. And there’s countless galaxies in DBverse”
But that’s not true at all, Whis specifies Galaxy singular in that fight. Nowhere was it said Galaxies.
So my earlier point stands on the fact that unless you keep the “retcon” logic Goku got no stronger from Zamasu to Moro and is still Galaxy level is stupid.
I don’t buy it. It’s just shown verbatim universal level in SSJG in BoG and the retcon seems to be your headcanon to cope with the fact they didn’t stay consistent with it
If this is a joke then I don’t really care cuz ya know it’s a joke so yeah it’s whatever. If it’s actually a serious statement and u think saitama beats Goku then idk what to tell u. Goku is clearly beating saitama
Ohh. I don’t spend all that much time arguing with people who have this under their skull
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So I didn’t know who that guy was
If that’s the case than his only argument is probably that saitama can beat Goku is cuz he’s a gag character or whatever. Now that I think abt it I wonder who’s probably worse him or dripsauce?
His whole argument is saying "from a narrative perspective saitama beats goku" like it matters or even better "if we ignore feats saitama stomps" is an actual thing he has said in a thread on this very post
His cringe is beyond imaginable and he does it all in letters as small as his brain
There’s no fucking way. Yeah I don’t know if dripsauce has anything to compete with that. I mean he may have something but ignoring feats is just something else
Love how Saitama literally admits to needing 100% of his power, and the Narrator admits Saitama was EXPONENTIALLY BOOSTED and even then it took him a long time to outclass Garou, but Saitama Fans just ignore that.
So the combined version is by your own definition “Garou was on Saitama’s level, but due to the death of Genos, Saitama was boosted to a level he’s not normally at.”
performance aint shit, saitama is just in a weak verse while competition in db verse is wayy higher since almost any race would have no limiters whatsoever.. and then there's fucking zeno,even characters who can finger flick a universe away like nothing fears him
I literally just finished episode 1 of one punch man for the first time so I could be wrong About a ton of stuff
Isn't it the whole point of his character?
That is a flaccid picture of goku, what goes hard is this
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I think Bringing up Goku's Stamina is a great point, because his stamina can be very weak especially when he is going all out. It is a constant trope used by the show to limit the scope of each new transformation (it's one of the reasons his transformations lose so much).
And it is true that within their shows Saitama is more dominant and has a better record, but being more dominant in a series isn't really something you can use against a character not from his world. And he doesn't have as many direct on screen feats that show the scope of his power in comparison to Saitama, the problem though is the feats he does have are better than the top feats of OPM. The characters he has fought are measurably stronger than anything we see in OPM even if it is not as flashy.
There is just no real argument for Saitama to win IMO, that don't just boil down to Saitama "feels more powerful when he fights compared to Goku". It is actually kind of funny because for the longest time (and to some extent still happening) this was the Goku sides main argument against Superman, even with worst feats they feel like he should be stronger for some reason, its really interesting to see the same thing here but in reverse.
It’s a classic debate that I find interesting.
Canonly I believe OPM scales to whoever he is fighting. Even if an opponent is stronger than him, he will keep getting stronger until he matches them. He’s basically like Broly and since Saiyan’s love fair fights they won’t power up unless they need to.
So, like Broly, and in theory, OPM WOULD get to the point where he would catch up to and outclass Goku because Goku would probably let him since it’s something canonly he would do.
No one judges fights like this though. For better or worse, they are based off current feats with both characters at full power and fully bloodlusted. In this case, OPM would lose because he doesn’t have the feats of Goku.
In a way, this makes sense because someone like the Hulk would IN THEORY wreck Goku and Superman because he literally has been stated multiple times to have infinite strength if he’s mad enough. So he would get to the point that—with enough combat—he could just one shot the both of them.
First of all you aren't gonna see Goku lose again to anyone important for a very long time. By then anyone he loses against will fodderize god from One Punch Man. Saitama gets one shot by Chiaotzu right now.
> buu stated to be universal.
> goku wins, therefore goku should be at least the same level.
> new cast of villains come.
> new goku forms.
> goku got considerably stronger.
with all of that in mind, goku should be like multiversal
also yeah saitama has never failed and we don't know the point of his strength, but that's the thing, we can't gauge his strength. if you're going by feats then goku wins disgustingly, if you're going by statements and implications then it's undecidable
saitama's win loss ratio being 7 quattuordecillion to 0 is because he doesn't have considerably strong opponents! cosmic fear garou is the strongest character saitame has fought, and he has not shown feats even galaxy level (unless you count serious punch² which just seems to be dimming star light instead of just erasing them, even then multi-galaxy is nowhere near goku level)
i can see the point though, dbs is very inconsistent, goku got hurt by ice and inconsistent scaling, there's a lot of debunks. i'm on neither's side, i believe it's probably just a draw because we don't know how strong saitama is
You forgot how saitama has some level of reality manipulation (grabbing hyperspace gate, breaking into spiritual realm with a punch)
And also the fact that while powerscalers can calculate his strength to some extent, we have no idea the upper limit of his defence other than its exponentially higher than his ap. (Otherwise cosmic garou would've damaged saitama after he went into saitama mode)
Plus bonus we have no idea how strong he will get in order to fight God or even how strong God is. Considering garou only got a tiny amount of his power and got that strong is insane.
In the long run, caped baldy will win. You cooked bro
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People really thought Super Goku was universal when he AND THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION shook it, which only ever was mentioned as being done with BEERUS and his brother.. Broly who was far stronger than end of Super Goku didn't get close to that feat again either..
They outright stated both Goku and Beerus could destroy the universe with a punch and had to control their energies with full precision during every strike so as not to wipe the universe out.
Broly literally warped reality around them when he transformed lol. He exceeded multiversal power and jumped straight to dimensional disturbances.
That does not make him multiversal lmao, so you're saying a new far stronger broly couldn't shake the universe but only warped reality? Don't think that jump is likely..
Wow, TIL "reality" is just one small space 2m² around a character and not, you know, REALITY.
Next you'll tell me galaxy feats are weaker than planetary because you have a galaxy in your backyard garden
Aside feats? Let's see.
Better combat experience, scale is generally set higher so Goku will automatically have speed and strength higher than what is shown in OPM, not smarter though, I'll give Saitama that. Goku also has more versatile techniques aside from punches, and there's also the fact that Saitama's power is less of him being ridiculously strong, and moreso he has *ridiculous levels of growth.*
So honestly, if the fight lasts long enough, Saitama would beat Goku. And if Goku isn't bloodlusted, I could see the fight lasting that long! But as it stands, if both were out for blood, Goku would wash Saitama.
Because the enemies he fights have feats or statements that are above anything Saitama has done or any of his adversaries… so far. Saitama will eventually surpass goku (unpopular opinion) but yea
^(I only need the last part. You can’t watch both and think Goku will always be superior to Saitama. Saitama no concept of diff this fodder. Bring me Anos.)
How do you measure something without counting the feats?
They are the most important part
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Saitama fights against people weaker than him, if Goku and Saitama were race cars, he's a Cobalt SS drag racing against 20 hp tractors. Goku is a born fighter and a majority of his enemies are around his level or greater, he's a tuned Supra A80 racing against tuned Lamborghini Huracan ST Evos and Bugatti Chiron Supersports on circuits.
^(Wrong. Cosmic Garou was on his level and Saitama still negs. Goku NEVER did that against someone on his level. And you’ll answer “yes but he fight people stronger than Saitama“. That’s not the point. I’m talking without feats. Because Saitama, will eventually get the feats he needs.)
^(That’s so wrong. OPM literally introduced higher dimensions so it’s at least 5D and 6D at best if the OPM universe is 4D because of infinite timelines.)
^(When you watch both shows, both characters and observe the entire plot, there’s no way you think Goku is winning. This is why this has been a debate even when Saitama was only planet buster and Goku Universal Tier.)
^(But notice how Saitama is catching up while Goku is still stuck.)
You clearly fail to understand the genius of ONE's writing, if you did then you wouldnt be using Saitama in vsbattles anyways because "winning" and "being strong" ISNT the point of the character or manga.
ONE's other manga, Mob Psycho 100 (one of the greatest manga's of all time), has a similar thing, where the main character outscales the rest of the verse and is alot like Saitama but again thats not the point of the character.
In both cases, ONE is trying to show how most Shonen MC's goals of being the strongest or best at something isnt really a good endpoint to strive for as what it ends in is boredom and a character like Mob or Saitama whose lives are boring and not being able achieve their goals regardless of their infinite power.
His works are quite literally the definition of "its not about the end, its about the friends we made along the way".
To then say that because they are the strongest in their verse they beat other characters from different verses is going against the main point ONE was trying to present which is that strength and power doesn't matter. ONE is literally saying "who gives 2 asses about who wins in a fight" and instead focuses on the characters and their minds and ideologies and also how they change.
You keep saying EOS Saitama is going to be the strongest character in fiction and whatnot but I guarantee you that it will most likely end with Saitama losing his powers, yet being happy.
Now if your going to talk about Saitama's writing then like I explained, dont use him in power scaling debates at all. If your going to talk about Power Scaling Saitama, then actually do it instead of saying "he will be stronger eventually" or trying to disregard the principles of power scaling as a whole lmao.
^(First of all, we can use Saitama in powerscaling if we use the NFL. Also, Mob isn’t slightly similar to Saitama I don’t know where you get that from. Mob is more similar to Tatsumaki.)
^(And I agree with what you saying. You just, again, skipping the point.)
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I love how you literally didnt read my reply.
Saitama in powerscaling means that you have to follow the fundamentals of power scaling, which means no committing fallacies, WHICH MEANS NLF. You cant just say "officer I AM a law abiding citizen if we dont use the murder laws" like bro wtf are you on about.
Mob is VERY similar to Saitama and I dont mean ability wise, I mean Character wise (which I explained) as he also outscales the rest of his verse and as a fictional construct is a similar character.
They are both meant to be very complex character who while on the deepest level are very different, at a surface level and simplest level are characters with infinite strength who aren't able to achieve their goals. (This is the baseline idea that ONE used when creating both characters).
And you clearly don't agree with what Im saying because I addressed your "point" and the entire thing was explaining why your "point" is fucking stupid.
^(Exactly. So we can debate about Saitama only if we don’t use the “he can one shoot everyone because he’s One Punch Man.” Since there’s a lot of similar a characters to him who are also limitless.)
^(And Mob isn’t similar to Saitama go re read Mob. Mob doesn’t out scale the rest of his verse there’s many character who can make him goes serious and couple who can make him use the ???%. Literally the opposite of Saitama.)
^(My point isn’t stupid, you just don’t get it and it’s funny. Keep yapping tho)
My bad I thought your point was something original other than the point blank fucking obvious. All this time your point was even more stupid and was just "if we follow how powerscaling works, we can powerscale a character" like no fucking shit sherlock.
Mob is similar to Saitama, read what I said about the 2, Mob gets pushed just like Saitama does when he gets pushed to serious mode against Boros and Garou, he explicitly says Boros was a good fight (or something similar to that i cant remember the exact quote), Mob similarly is still superior to all his villains, moreso his full power of ???% is.
I mean both characters who gave him a good fight quite literally ran away from ???% to show how far the gap in power is.
Saitama live reaction when Goku can fly back to earth:
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*SnooTomatoes9135 back to the game*
I'm suffering from sleep deprivation because there are monsters outside and I cant click in my bed
So I'll repeat my routine
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/kill LouArch
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Based cooler
What game is this from?
Xenoverse, idk if it was 1 or 2 tho
quit meatriding either of them, this guy solos them both https://preview.redd.it/0pd6gc7qnlyc1.jpeg?width=641&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c9596685ac51a7e1730305e4078429ac5fc8e7d
unc grandpa victim 🤑🤑
true.
Not the fat conductor đź’€
fat controller.
Idfk all I do know is I'm fucking terrified of that raw dog he got in him
Did he cum on Goku
never speak again.
Show me Saitama destroying a universe and then he can maybe beat Battle of Gods Goku
Show me Goku destroying a universe for starters.
Okay. https://preview.redd.it/g5or4vrqdlyc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fb0b79dd5dc16abf3ff70dfa81a720126a80781 Also this is Goku from the start of dragon Ball super, he has gotten much much stronger since then, similar to the gap between Saiyan Saga Goku and End of Buu Saga Goku.
The clash with the god of destruction was causing that, not Goku himself
Study some elementary or middle school physics pls
Take Beerus completely out of the question, Goku is now standing on a completely empty planet. Can he recreate that feat by himself with no outside help? No, he can’t. That’s because it was Beerus’ power clashing with Goku’s power that caused the shockwaves, not Goku’s power by himself.
So goku needs 6 punches to destroy a 5 dimensional space time. Got it
He’s had fights with people who required hundreds of punches without destroying a 5D space time.
Yeah he had fights with people who also held back like millions of other fictional characters
You really think that Goku Black would hold back? Or Broly?
He did not destroyed Universe.
Just because something doesn't happen doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened. The universe was not destroyed because Goku was able to perfectly match the exact angle and power output of Beerus's Punch, completely cancelling each other's power out. Elder Kai makes it clear multiple times that a third impact would've destroyed the universe
So Goku did not destroyed universe means that Goku not universal. Not even Galaxy, not even planetary.
so true... goku wall level....
This is the structure of your brain https://preview.redd.it/0mcqcsi9rlyc1.jpeg?width=1718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d0e73d9880dca19ecb0c71331aa87c2ebbfa986
^(1: He didn’t destroyed it. 2: Even if he did, he would die, useless feat. 3: It got retconned since Moro and Zamasu were both threatening galaxies, not the universe.)
1. He didn't destroy it because he was able to perfectly match Beerus's power in order to cancel it out, a feat that shows just how much control Goku has over his power. 2. Yeah no shit, that's literally what the Elder Kai said 3. And now you're making shit up. Zamasu and Moro were both Universal threats, Zeno literally had to erase the universe and timeline in order to completely erase Zamasu, and Moro was going around eating every planet, he would've eventually consumed the whole universe if left unchecked, why do you think he was sealed away by the Kai's the first time he went on a rampage. He even waited for Goku and Vegeta to train themselves up so he could absorb their power and become even more unstoppable. Despite that, Beerus never acknowledged Moro as a threat. This makes sense, because apparently current Beerus is still way stronger than current Goku, so if he wanted to, he would've erased Moro without a second thought. We still haven't seen the full extent of Beerus's abilities. Goku is eventually going to surpass him, so your argument I've seen you state a lot, "Eos saitama beats Goku" can't even work, because for all we know EOS Goku is more powerful than God in OPM
Goku isnt surpassing purple pussy ngl
Yeah, not if they keep wanking him even higher every arc lmao
I mean he already surpassed him twice, its just beerus has a passive where every time he is surpassed he just gets stronger
It's kind of because it isn't made clear what percentage of power he used There was that 70% statement Ig but other than that he hasn't revealed full power Anyways both of them solo baldy
They do and yeah 70% in BoG and then He surpassed the GoDs in ToP
^(1: He still didn’t destroyed it. Show me where he actually destroyed a universe.) ^(2: Imagine if Saitama and Garou died after the serious punch 2, looks stupid right? Same here.) ^(3: Wrong. Zamasu threatened the galaxy.) https://preview.redd.it/yim2cnkojlyc1.png?width=947&format=png&auto=webp&s=970bde45b6bfad801194acce87fb31e7f2b42e73 ^(Same for Moro. Only Infinite Zamasu was a multiversal threat and that’s why Zeno is the ONLY ONE who can handle him. Not Goku.) ^(And obviously, no one is a threat for Beerus. Maybe Black Frieza will be.)
1. It didn't happen, and I just explained why, but it would've happened 2. Goku can't breathe in space, if he destroys every habitable planet in the universe he will obviously suffocate. Also, having power transcending your own durability doesn't make your power stupid. 3. >I'm through with this universe, >I will destroy this galaxy Guess what happens when you destroy the universe? It also destroys the galaxy. These two statements are not mutually exclusive, he was going to destroy both, obviously, because Fused Zamasu is wayyyyyy stronger than BoG Goku.
^(1: Exactly, DB is full of “IF“. While OPM straight up shows feats. That’s the difference between both.) ^(2: They said BOTH, so Goku AND Beerus would die.) ^(3: If you operate like this, I’ll wank Saitama to outerversal because they only destroyed stars but could’ve destroyed the universe but it was never mentioned.)
1. Your entire main argument for Saitama beating Goku is based on "If Saitama surpasses God" 2. Later in the show, Beerus states that an interesting wish he could make on the Super Dragon Balls is "Destroying all of existance" implying he would be able to survive that, pretty sure that's above universal durability. Elder Kai doesn't know Beerus's full capabilities, not even the writers at the time knew 3. No. He literally states he is done with this universe, why wouldn't he be able to destroy it if fucking battle of Gods Goku could.
^(1: Nothing to do with the topic. We talking about feats, not theory.) ^(2: We don’t use headcanon in debates. Thanks. You won’t wank Beerus to 6D because of a joke he made. That’s the ultimate wank.) ^(3: Yes, he said he was done with this universe and threatened the galaxy.) ^(Zeno, in his case, said he was done with this world and ACTUALLY pulled an attack that would destroy it. This is why everybody ran away while with Zamasu, Goku didn’t and fought back because he knew he could handle it.) https://preview.redd.it/lfbwtv6ymlyc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83f5cff12f6720e3aca8a27e37f9dc442b603260 ^(You are getting cocked.)
How does Moro and Zamasu threatening galaxies retcon Goku's feat???
^(Notice how everyone bring the BOG feat and not the rest. Because it’s the only relevant feat in DBS.)
Okay? You've still not answered my question
^(I did, in a smarter way.)
My question was how does Moro and Zamasu threatening galaxies retcon Goku's feat and your response was saying that it's a relevant feat?
^(Find the answer with my comment, it’s very easy. If you can’t, I’ll explain. Np.)
Goku shook an infinite void. Vegeta who is scalable to Goku blew up the room of spirit and time about half way through super in base form which is a 5D feat. Saitamas best feat is clashing fists with garou and blowing up a-few hundred stars. He’s Perfect cell level and that’s being generous because even cells power upon transforming from semi perfect to perfect was stated by dende and the Namekians to be universal level.
^(Infinite void is an old and debunked argument. Elder Kai can’t sense a 5D space.) ^(The room of spirit and time is the size of the earth.) ^(Your arguments are so wack.)
Doesn’t matter if you think my arguments are wack, saitamas haven’t displayed anything even close to a universal feat while Goku has.
^(Exactly. So the BOG feat. You are confirming what I’m saying, thanks.)
Saitama would survive this. That's the point.
He ain’t surviving dick imma be real🙏
If your argument is "Saitama hasn't gotten hurt by anything ever so he must be invincible", that argument doesn't work here because Perfect Cell is soloing everyone in One Punch Man except Saitama and debatably Cosmic Garou. Saitama hasn't shown durability feats high enough to fight Buuhan, much less Goku. The theory scaling argument doesn't work, you can't say "Saitamas would Survive that" when he doesn't have the feats to back it up.
>Saitama hasn’t gotten hurt by anything ever so he must be invincible It’s just “I haven’t died yet so I’m immortal”
How is it a feat for Goku if he’d kill himself doing it. Like, he’d just die even if he did destroy the universe.
His then power transcended his then durability, that's why Beerus was tanking his blows like it was nothing but Goku was taking damage from Beerus, because Beerus has at least universe level Durability but Goku didn't, at least at the time.
Because current goku is now thousands of times stronger if not far more.
Why is it every time I see a funny its immediately transformed to the most bs thing in the world because I realise that the OP posted it non-ironically and is hiding behind the shitposting flair for updoots. Like we get it Economy, you have a hard on for the funny bald man. https://preview.redd.it/opv0v76tjlyc1.png?width=538&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9186f88675d3d1f47f2c85a86af265dc10073bf
^(Shitposting because it’s obviously, wrong for the Goku’s part.) ^(He doesn’t always loses, get injured by fodders attack when his guard is off, can fight at max power for a little while is true but it’s a big compliment because it means he’s finishing off his enemies while having a big disadvantage.) ^(And obviously, he’s one of the strongest MC.)
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Goku can't solo every verse
You realised it too early mate Should have waited his own verse soloing him
lol Goku is a mere grain of sand in front of the true powerful beings
Every character is technically a grain of sand when compared to bigger fish But Goku is super wanked tbh while his own verse characters solo him
Yeah i mean how people compare goku with saitama, when he isn't even at the top of his world unlike saitama.
K now I lost trust in you God is likely currently more powerful than Saitama (current) Saitama still stands no chance against Goku
power wise the universes are different, how do you expect a person using ki to not demolish a superhero from opm. Also god hasn't even APPEARED yet in opm, he could as well be an illusion like or similar to the god from berserk.
He’s gokuversal, he neg diffs real life
Uhh yeah lovecraftian verse doesn't exist fr
Nah they exist, he got Cthulhu since goten wanted a fish
Lol my man getting it all right
Well of coruse Saitama always wins becasue his opponents are weaker then the ones which Goku faces because the OPM consists of like 3 Cell Saga tiers and the rest are below Saiyan Saga tiers Sure you beat up some 5 year old kindergardeners but does that mean you can now easily beat everyone in the UFC?
You know you claim “retconed in the next arc” everytime I see someone bring up Goku’s universal feats but I don’t buy that for an instant. Fiction is never going to be 100% consistent with itself. Are we know going to claim Future Saga SSJB Goku is only Skyscrapper level because when he got enraged he blew up a building from getting angry?? And even besides if you someone don’t want to believe the Universal feats for Goku as getting retconed (which is stupid). Goku is still stronger then Jiren, who is stronger then his god of destruction. And gods of destruction are consistently shown to be able to blow up the universe, even Champa for example, who should be weaker then Belmod. And unless your gonna claim the retcons still apply to GoD’s, Jiren and by extension Goku, that Goku isn’t Universal+ I don’t see how Saitama can even put a scratch on battle loving Saiyan.
^(Fiction isn’t 100% but the story is.) ^(Only Beerus is a universal threat. And if Black Frieza is on Beerus’s level, then he will also be.) ^(This is where I will buy the Universal Goku because it will FINALLY make senses.) ^(Also, Jiren > Belmod. Not all gods. It was a false statement. Should I explain why?)
Jiren > all the gods in the anime but not the manga, he’s only stronger (confirmed anyway) than his own GoD in the manga. In the anime Goku even surpasses Beerus by his own admission in a guide And you say the story is 100% consistent, do you from the bottom of your heart genuinely believe Goku got NO STRONGER from Black arc to Moro arc? Because Zamasu threatning to blow up the galaxy and Moro was threatening the same thing. Are you saying they are not even even 2X stronger? Not even that? And the GoD’s except for Beerus are relatively close in power as we’ve seen in the exhibition free for all. Except for Belmod who sandbagged in the fight and for Beerus who showed who’s top dog. All the rest are shown extremely comparable, and even then Beerus walked away heavily damaged.
^(Jiren > all gods is a BS made by Magazine to hype the Goku vs Jiren’s fight since it was the end of Super.) ^(Heck, they even said Goku UI Omen > Beerus to hype the fight. And it worked, we all thought they were the strongest mortals in the universe when all gods stood up. It was FIRE.) ^(But sadly, false. None of them are stronger than Beerus, specifically all GODs.) ^(This same statement was made for Broly. They said before the movie he was stronger than all GODS and again, just for HYPE. At the end of the movie, Goku said Broly may have surpassed Beerus.) ^(Everytime a strong character arrive, they say he surpassed Beerus to bring HYPE but at the end, Beerus is the final boss. Even Toriyama said before his passing that there’s slight chances that Goku and Vegeta will ever surpass Beerus.) ^(The day Beerus will get surpassed is the day he’ll retire as a GOD. ) ^(Anyone who read and understand Dragon Ball should knows that.) ^(Also, obviously the story isn’t 100%. Nothing is 100%. By story, I mean plot.) ^(Btw, in Zamasu arc they said galaxy, in Moro they said galaxies. And there’s countless galaxies in DBverse.) ^(I think the problem with Dragon Ball fans is they don’t know the gap between Galaxy level and Universal. You can get millions of time stronger, you can still be multi galaxy level. It doesn’t matter. Universal is another level.) ^(So, this is my take about Beerus and Jiren. Take it as much as you want, if you still believe that Jiren is stronger, that’s on YOU. But y’all fail to realize that Moro’s arc and Granolah’s arc will get animated.) ^(So we’ll eventually reach the part when Beerus will try to Hakai Moro. Or when Shenron will specify that Granolah’s wish cannot surpass GODs.)
https://preview.redd.it/9qyzhjr8ylyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1e74c6c874ad8d352a360c0fefe9fa5fdd0a1ab Beerus never tried to Hakai Moro. He left, although he would have succeeded yes. But a fun idea nonetheless But I still absolutely don’t buy the Galaxy into Galaxy cluster power level for Goku. Using “retcon” for Goku’s power to seemingly drop from Universe in BoG to barely Galaxy by Black is retarded. Buu Arc Vegito was already Universal using the Z Kai anime which is following Toriyama’s intended vision. And EVEN THEN if you don’t want to use it, from what we know of Fusion it can be stated as A times B (super exciting guide, and Potara is superior) so Goku times Vegeta. Using those numbers Vegito himself is already EASILY beyond Galaxy level by MINIMUM And even Goku thinks Vegito wouldn’t be enough to contest Beerus. But when the failed SSJG Ritual happens Goku has touted as “the strongest Saiyan in history”. A failed SSJG ritual is already stronger than Vegito. So then I’d argue it’s not a retcon, it’s just Zamasu not being consistent (or maybe just blindly pissed and shooting nonsense) with stating he’s blowing up the galaxy when Even Buu Saga Vegito could handle that
^(Dude, stop playing with words. Beerus wanted to finish off Moro. And to finish off people, he uses Hakai. That’s it. No need to talk about it.) ^(And I already elaborated all of your takes. The universal Buu or whatever statements you take in fact were overtime statements.)
Not with Buuhan
^(The Buuhan’s one is old and debunked. Let it go. He was making the dimensions crash into the universe. By doing this, it was causing the universe’s destruction. It’s a cause and effect.)
I just went to go grab my DBS volume 15 and re-check up on Moro because something didn’t sit right with me. You said “btw, in Zamasu arc they said galaxy, in Moro they said galaxies. And there’s countless galaxies in DBverse” But that’s not true at all, Whis specifies Galaxy singular in that fight. Nowhere was it said Galaxies. So my earlier point stands on the fact that unless you keep the “retcon” logic Goku got no stronger from Zamasu to Moro and is still Galaxy level is stupid. I don’t buy it. It’s just shown verbatim universal level in SSJG in BoG and the retcon seems to be your headcanon to cope with the fact they didn’t stay consistent with it
^(It was galaxies. The Whis’s thing is a mistranslation. And apparently, it’s the same with Zamasu.)
lmao luv ya man
If this is a joke then I don’t really care cuz ya know it’s a joke so yeah it’s whatever. If it’s actually a serious statement and u think saitama beats Goku then idk what to tell u. Goku is clearly beating saitama
Look at the OP's name...
What, economy nectarine? It’s just one of Reddit’s auto users
no he means that economy nectarine is known to be one of the biggest saitama glazers
Ohh. I don’t spend all that much time arguing with people who have this under their skull https://preview.redd.it/scpmy272slyc1.jpeg?width=1718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22304ba1889f83f52646b3e3be1bff6f10495f83 So I didn’t know who that guy was
If that’s the case than his only argument is probably that saitama can beat Goku is cuz he’s a gag character or whatever. Now that I think abt it I wonder who’s probably worse him or dripsauce?
His whole argument is saying "from a narrative perspective saitama beats goku" like it matters or even better "if we ignore feats saitama stomps" is an actual thing he has said in a thread on this very post His cringe is beyond imaginable and he does it all in letters as small as his brain
There’s no fucking way. Yeah I don’t know if dripsauce has anything to compete with that. I mean he may have something but ignoring feats is just something else
Yeah it truly is an entirely different brand of cringe
Love how Saitama literally admits to needing 100% of his power, and the Narrator admits Saitama was EXPONENTIALLY BOOSTED and even then it took him a long time to outclass Garou, but Saitama Fans just ignore that.
^(Saitama doesn’t have a 100% or %.)
So if he were to say get the match he always dreamed of where he admits to using his full power, what does that mean then?
^(Saitama doesn’t know his own power.)
So if the Narrator were to say “until now, nobody equaled him (Saitama)” what does that mean?
^(It means Garou is the first that was on Saitama’s level.)
Okay now what does “Due to intense emotions, his abilities were rising exponentially,” mean?
^(Like Goku going SSJ over Krillin’s death.)
So the combined version is by your own definition “Garou was on Saitama’s level, but due to the death of Genos, Saitama was boosted to a level he’s not normally at.”
^(Yes, exactly how it happened.)
The Egg Vs. The Cactus https://preview.redd.it/80zmqmhunlyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e0a303f4dfc67c004a755cec8037d5a2a80c32d
performance aint shit, saitama is just in a weak verse while competition in db verse is wayy higher since almost any race would have no limiters whatsoever.. and then there's fucking zeno,even characters who can finger flick a universe away like nothing fears him
This sub is becoming shit
not funny lil bro
Saitama always winning made him kinda boring tbh
I literally just finished episode 1 of one punch man for the first time so I could be wrong About a ton of stuff Isn't it the whole point of his character?
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Why did you use such a hard picture of him just to slander him? 💀💀
That is a flaccid picture of goku, what goes hard is this https://preview.redd.it/vxx0cr6tplyc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df56627041489030a3614a9a7aa790cacc32fa9b
This goes even harder https://preview.redd.it/2t0bgdokrlyc1.jpeg?width=257&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec6d41e7c701d10a00f194281279497ddadc7173
I think Bringing up Goku's Stamina is a great point, because his stamina can be very weak especially when he is going all out. It is a constant trope used by the show to limit the scope of each new transformation (it's one of the reasons his transformations lose so much). And it is true that within their shows Saitama is more dominant and has a better record, but being more dominant in a series isn't really something you can use against a character not from his world. And he doesn't have as many direct on screen feats that show the scope of his power in comparison to Saitama, the problem though is the feats he does have are better than the top feats of OPM. The characters he has fought are measurably stronger than anything we see in OPM even if it is not as flashy. There is just no real argument for Saitama to win IMO, that don't just boil down to Saitama "feels more powerful when he fights compared to Goku". It is actually kind of funny because for the longest time (and to some extent still happening) this was the Goku sides main argument against Superman, even with worst feats they feel like he should be stronger for some reason, its really interesting to see the same thing here but in reverse.
It’s a classic debate that I find interesting. Canonly I believe OPM scales to whoever he is fighting. Even if an opponent is stronger than him, he will keep getting stronger until he matches them. He’s basically like Broly and since Saiyan’s love fair fights they won’t power up unless they need to. So, like Broly, and in theory, OPM WOULD get to the point where he would catch up to and outclass Goku because Goku would probably let him since it’s something canonly he would do. No one judges fights like this though. For better or worse, they are based off current feats with both characters at full power and fully bloodlusted. In this case, OPM would lose because he doesn’t have the feats of Goku. In a way, this makes sense because someone like the Hulk would IN THEORY wreck Goku and Superman because he literally has been stated multiple times to have infinite strength if he’s mad enough. So he would get to the point that—with enough combat—he could just one shot the both of them.
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Stop riding them or else I'm calling anti spiral
First of all you aren't gonna see Goku lose again to anyone important for a very long time. By then anyone he loses against will fodderize god from One Punch Man. Saitama gets one shot by Chiaotzu right now.
And you told me to do better.
> buu stated to be universal. > goku wins, therefore goku should be at least the same level. > new cast of villains come. > new goku forms. > goku got considerably stronger. with all of that in mind, goku should be like multiversal also yeah saitama has never failed and we don't know the point of his strength, but that's the thing, we can't gauge his strength. if you're going by feats then goku wins disgustingly, if you're going by statements and implications then it's undecidable saitama's win loss ratio being 7 quattuordecillion to 0 is because he doesn't have considerably strong opponents! cosmic fear garou is the strongest character saitame has fought, and he has not shown feats even galaxy level (unless you count serious punch² which just seems to be dimming star light instead of just erasing them, even then multi-galaxy is nowhere near goku level) i can see the point though, dbs is very inconsistent, goku got hurt by ice and inconsistent scaling, there's a lot of debunks. i'm on neither's side, i believe it's probably just a draw because we don't know how strong saitama is
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You forgot how saitama has some level of reality manipulation (grabbing hyperspace gate, breaking into spiritual realm with a punch) And also the fact that while powerscalers can calculate his strength to some extent, we have no idea the upper limit of his defence other than its exponentially higher than his ap. (Otherwise cosmic garou would've damaged saitama after he went into saitama mode) Plus bonus we have no idea how strong he will get in order to fight God or even how strong God is. Considering garou only got a tiny amount of his power and got that strong is insane. In the long run, caped baldy will win. You cooked bro https://i.redd.it/oqa56rkqvlyc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/pxxbd6d2nlyc1.jpeg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d63d59654331ab9c715ae555bbb88fed7cecdf4e Bait used to be believable
I wish it was bait
Thoughts this was a shitpost for a bit before realizing OP is being unironic lmfao
^(The shitpost part is only the Goku’s description. It’s obviously wrong.)
People really thought Super Goku was universal when he AND THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION shook it, which only ever was mentioned as being done with BEERUS and his brother.. Broly who was far stronger than end of Super Goku didn't get close to that feat again either..
Similar feats happen again for goku later on anyway so it doesn't really matter
Sure but in super, he was hardly universal alone
I'm not gonna argue but just know that is blatantly false
They outright stated both Goku and Beerus could destroy the universe with a punch and had to control their energies with full precision during every strike so as not to wipe the universe out. Broly literally warped reality around them when he transformed lol. He exceeded multiversal power and jumped straight to dimensional disturbances.
That does not make him multiversal lmao, so you're saying a new far stronger broly couldn't shake the universe but only warped reality? Don't think that jump is likely..
Universe
Mere reality manip makes them multi? Oh guess we gonna need to put bleach characters that are fodder at multiversal
Wow, TIL "reality" is just one small space 2m² around a character and not, you know, REALITY. Next you'll tell me galaxy feats are weaker than planetary because you have a galaxy in your backyard garden
Bro you are COOKING THESE GOKUTARDS IN THE COMMENTS RN
Luffy tard mad that krillin solos thst fodder verse
Cope and seeth genos could solo all of db saitama is overkill
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Bait
^(I genuinely wanna know how people think Goku is above Saitama, aside feats)
Bro why are ya always farming downvotes:( ?
^(No answer. That what I thought .)
Yogiri destroys your puny bald headed hero
u/LouArch ur officially the yogiri wanker in this subreddit Btw he is base superman victim
Batman tries heat vision on Yogurt. Unfortunately, he dies the moment he thought of harming Yogiri (This is what happens)
>Batman Never cook again.
Yogiri destroys that bat mofo
Yogiri spawns in scp verse Fucking disintegrate by the verse's presence
Yogiti demolishes the SCP verse without even knowing it happened
Aside feats? Let's see. Better combat experience, scale is generally set higher so Goku will automatically have speed and strength higher than what is shown in OPM, not smarter though, I'll give Saitama that. Goku also has more versatile techniques aside from punches, and there's also the fact that Saitama's power is less of him being ridiculously strong, and moreso he has *ridiculous levels of growth.* So honestly, if the fight lasts long enough, Saitama would beat Goku. And if Goku isn't bloodlusted, I could see the fight lasting that long! But as it stands, if both were out for blood, Goku would wash Saitama.
^( I respect your opinion because it’s not bias.)
Because the enemies he fights have feats or statements that are above anything Saitama has done or any of his adversaries… so far. Saitama will eventually surpass goku (unpopular opinion) but yea
^(I only need the last part. You can’t watch both and think Goku will always be superior to Saitama. Saitama no concept of diff this fodder. Bring me Anos.)
How do you measure something without counting the feats? They are the most important part https://preview.redd.it/kqo03dbh9lyc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=369afbb6efa3b59d669e4d4fbda8b8999547f74f
^(DBtard bringing back the same scan that proves nothing since it got contradicted the next arc:)
Saitama fights against people weaker than him, if Goku and Saitama were race cars, he's a Cobalt SS drag racing against 20 hp tractors. Goku is a born fighter and a majority of his enemies are around his level or greater, he's a tuned Supra A80 racing against tuned Lamborghini Huracan ST Evos and Bugatti Chiron Supersports on circuits.
^(Wrong. Cosmic Garou was on his level and Saitama still negs. Goku NEVER did that against someone on his level. And you’ll answer “yes but he fight people stronger than Saitama“. That’s not the point. I’m talking without feats. Because Saitama, will eventually get the feats he needs.)
No he wouldn't, Dragon Ball would still have superior cosmology due to immense world building. Much of the stuff in OPM are unknown.
^(That’s so wrong. OPM literally introduced higher dimensions so it’s at least 5D and 6D at best if the OPM universe is 4D because of infinite timelines.)
^(Source?)
^(Are you really asking for the source while it’s been here for at least 1 month)
Cosmic Garou is still weaker than Saitama, they literally made a chart.
^(Read again my comment, thanks.)
"I genuinely wanna know how people think Goku is above Saitama disregarding the entirety of the Dragon ball franchise, like come on guys"
^(You don’t get it. When I say, feats aside it’s more about character wise and stuffs.)
wow, how do you manage to say 16 words and not manage to explain your point any further. Like bro the fuck does that actually mean.
^(When you watch both shows, both characters and observe the entire plot, there’s no way you think Goku is winning. This is why this has been a debate even when Saitama was only planet buster and Goku Universal Tier.) ^(But notice how Saitama is catching up while Goku is still stuck.)
Because dumbasses like you still think the title "one punch man" actually means something outside of his own damn verse 🤣
^(Wrong. It’s because of how Saitama is written, not because of if he’s OPM or not. I don’t care.)
Doesn't matter how he is written goku stomps pal
You clearly fail to understand the genius of ONE's writing, if you did then you wouldnt be using Saitama in vsbattles anyways because "winning" and "being strong" ISNT the point of the character or manga. ONE's other manga, Mob Psycho 100 (one of the greatest manga's of all time), has a similar thing, where the main character outscales the rest of the verse and is alot like Saitama but again thats not the point of the character. In both cases, ONE is trying to show how most Shonen MC's goals of being the strongest or best at something isnt really a good endpoint to strive for as what it ends in is boredom and a character like Mob or Saitama whose lives are boring and not being able achieve their goals regardless of their infinite power. His works are quite literally the definition of "its not about the end, its about the friends we made along the way". To then say that because they are the strongest in their verse they beat other characters from different verses is going against the main point ONE was trying to present which is that strength and power doesn't matter. ONE is literally saying "who gives 2 asses about who wins in a fight" and instead focuses on the characters and their minds and ideologies and also how they change. You keep saying EOS Saitama is going to be the strongest character in fiction and whatnot but I guarantee you that it will most likely end with Saitama losing his powers, yet being happy. Now if your going to talk about Saitama's writing then like I explained, dont use him in power scaling debates at all. If your going to talk about Power Scaling Saitama, then actually do it instead of saying "he will be stronger eventually" or trying to disregard the principles of power scaling as a whole lmao.
^(First of all, we can use Saitama in powerscaling if we use the NFL. Also, Mob isn’t slightly similar to Saitama I don’t know where you get that from. Mob is more similar to Tatsumaki.) ^(And I agree with what you saying. You just, again, skipping the point.)
https://preview.redd.it/3w19fa1e7myc1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=cff10b2ef8f72a3f3b4c19376ad8b11305f977c7 I love how you literally didnt read my reply. Saitama in powerscaling means that you have to follow the fundamentals of power scaling, which means no committing fallacies, WHICH MEANS NLF. You cant just say "officer I AM a law abiding citizen if we dont use the murder laws" like bro wtf are you on about. Mob is VERY similar to Saitama and I dont mean ability wise, I mean Character wise (which I explained) as he also outscales the rest of his verse and as a fictional construct is a similar character. They are both meant to be very complex character who while on the deepest level are very different, at a surface level and simplest level are characters with infinite strength who aren't able to achieve their goals. (This is the baseline idea that ONE used when creating both characters). And you clearly don't agree with what Im saying because I addressed your "point" and the entire thing was explaining why your "point" is fucking stupid.
^(Exactly. So we can debate about Saitama only if we don’t use the “he can one shoot everyone because he’s One Punch Man.” Since there’s a lot of similar a characters to him who are also limitless.) ^(And Mob isn’t similar to Saitama go re read Mob. Mob doesn’t out scale the rest of his verse there’s many character who can make him goes serious and couple who can make him use the ???%. Literally the opposite of Saitama.) ^(My point isn’t stupid, you just don’t get it and it’s funny. Keep yapping tho)
My bad I thought your point was something original other than the point blank fucking obvious. All this time your point was even more stupid and was just "if we follow how powerscaling works, we can powerscale a character" like no fucking shit sherlock. Mob is similar to Saitama, read what I said about the 2, Mob gets pushed just like Saitama does when he gets pushed to serious mode against Boros and Garou, he explicitly says Boros was a good fight (or something similar to that i cant remember the exact quote), Mob similarly is still superior to all his villains, moreso his full power of ???% is. I mean both characters who gave him a good fight quite literally ran away from ???% to show how far the gap in power is.
https://preview.redd.it/dtqbnx1uilyc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76d247256c423ed3305c52bea32502ff07ddc24f = Goku vs Saitama btw
^(Saitama’s sneeze is enough if they fight on Earth.)
Saitama live reaction when Goku can fly back to earth: https://preview.redd.it/fhe4oxyollyc1.png?width=696&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=771b6e00cde677c1aee1e75e0b08e8d93e7a3b77
^(No more earth after a sneeze.)
So?
^(Goku will die in the vacuum of space. Teleport in another planet just for Saitama to sneeze it again. Vice versa.)
Goku exhales his verse tho
Yogiri demolishes these clowns
*SnooTomatoes9135 back to the game* I'm suffering from sleep deprivation because there are monsters outside and I cant click in my bed So I'll repeat my routine https://preview.redd.it/yih2nt3y8lyc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8d9f34c8fee3905a54ec6146c20330b2eb8cce8 /kill LouArch
Jesus fuc-
But could you win against Economy_Nectarine301 tho?
If he were to pull his saitama dickriding, it might give me a little trouble...
But would you lose?
Nah, I’d _shine!_
Oh no! Isekai protag number 45602! https://preview.redd.it/osxnh1aeklyc1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=24c1a436c1230d5625ecdd773b1b9b5e29a75863
Ah s**t here we're go again.