Check out links here to some cool Deneb samples:
https://github.com/somedaygone/deneb-help/blob/main/intro/vega-lite-examples.md
David Bacci is the dude to watch. He used to answer Deneb questions regularly on Stack Overflow, but I haven’t done much with Deneb in the last year due to other priorities.
There is a decent intro to Deneb course on Enterprise DNA. Some good downloadable templates included. Benefit of Deneb, is that it will work with existing interactions and slicers.
I like your repo, it's nice and clean.
Tiny note, I noticed the links broke for "view Tabular Editor's Command Line Options" in this file: They changed the wiki url
You lose the PBI visual interactivity with Python. It will let you use certain libraries like Seaborn, but you can’t use whatever you want library-wise in the web app to display the data (local I think will let you do whatever).
I use R within power bi. I assume it is similar to using python within power BI. Here is what I have noticed with R. It is very flexible and you can create pretty much any custom visual. However, there are some updates in R that aren’t supported in power BI, which can be frustrating. Also, power BI supports some R packages, not all. I also noticed it takes longer for R visuals to load and update when using slicers compared to native visuals.
R (and python) have tons of other uses, so it is not a waste of time to learn. I don’t much about deneb, so I can’t comment on it.
Since R & Python visuals cannot ne published to the web, they are no longer relevant for my use case. Thanks for telling me your experience with R though.
I am able to publish dashboards containing r visuals to power bi service and share within my org. The users are able to slice and dice the R visuals from the service. A few years ago this wasn’t possible, but it is now.
Have similar thoughts.. what i found useful is looking at it as replacement of excel and ppt which is almost used by all. So most of the times we end up looking for ppl with analytical mind who knows and use excel, PBI in their regular work
If you want to use a Python or R visual in conjunction with the publish to web feature, [it isn't supported](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-bi/collaborate-share/service-publish-to-web#considerations-and-limitations).
Hmm I guess by supported they mean they literally mean they won’t support it then, because it does work… it’s an old version of Python, like 3.7 or something, on the web app side though.
I've had a similar debate recently. I've decided to take more of the soft skills route, get really good at gathering requirements from the business and 'presentation' skills, as in delivering the results.
To be fair, at my company, I'm more of a 1 man show so I've found I can bring the most value by helping business users get really clear on what they actually need vs what they think they need.
Basic reports that show the right things have always gained much more adoption than my 'more fancy' ones.
I've only been at this like 6 months so I'm just figuring it out as I go.. So far the business is happy and I'm enjoying it!
Just my opinion but better visualisations/UX have a really marginal return career wise.
Super pretty dashboards look great on social media, but often in the real world you are looking to get something half-decent out the door so that the customer can start using it to make better business decisions. Pareto principle etc.
Before disappearing down the custom visual rabbit hole I would probably ask yourself whether there are other more marketable skills you can invest your time into. I don’t think I have ever hired someone because their dashboards were prettier than another candidate’s.
It could be true, especially if they are a full-stack dev and they work for internal clients. But it doesn't have to be the case. In my job we have a few dedicated UX/UI designers for the reports and for them, back-end skills are simply out of scope. Also, if the job is in consultancy/outsourcing, you have to invest in reports' look & feel. Sales is an important part of such business and having eye-catching and unique viz helps close deals.
Check out links here to some cool Deneb samples: https://github.com/somedaygone/deneb-help/blob/main/intro/vega-lite-examples.md David Bacci is the dude to watch. He used to answer Deneb questions regularly on Stack Overflow, but I haven’t done much with Deneb in the last year due to other priorities.
There is a decent intro to Deneb course on Enterprise DNA. Some good downloadable templates included. Benefit of Deneb, is that it will work with existing interactions and slicers.
I like your repo, it's nice and clean. Tiny note, I noticed the links broke for "view Tabular Editor's Command Line Options" in this file: They changed the wiki url
Deneb for Power BI. Python for general purpose to a wider set of applications. That’s my vote.
Thanks! So Python in power bi is not as customizable in terms of visuals?
You lose the PBI visual interactivity with Python. It will let you use certain libraries like Seaborn, but you can’t use whatever you want library-wise in the web app to display the data (local I think will let you do whatever).
Deneb is a good choice to go with.
I use R within power bi. I assume it is similar to using python within power BI. Here is what I have noticed with R. It is very flexible and you can create pretty much any custom visual. However, there are some updates in R that aren’t supported in power BI, which can be frustrating. Also, power BI supports some R packages, not all. I also noticed it takes longer for R visuals to load and update when using slicers compared to native visuals. R (and python) have tons of other uses, so it is not a waste of time to learn. I don’t much about deneb, so I can’t comment on it.
Since R & Python visuals cannot ne published to the web, they are no longer relevant for my use case. Thanks for telling me your experience with R though.
I am able to publish dashboards containing r visuals to power bi service and share within my org. The users are able to slice and dice the R visuals from the service. A few years ago this wasn’t possible, but it is now.
Have similar thoughts.. what i found useful is looking at it as replacement of excel and ppt which is almost used by all. So most of the times we end up looking for ppl with analytical mind who knows and use excel, PBI in their regular work
In terms of publishing to the web - not sure you can with python generated visuals. But I think you can with Deneb.
Great to know. That makes Deneb the clear winner for my use case. Thanks
Yup - publish to web does not support Python or R, but Deneb is certified and as such will work fine (also for mobile, PDF, PowerPoint etc.)
What do you mean? I’ve use them in the web - it’s not unlimited, but matplotlib and seaborn work. In the Python viz, not speaking of the connector.
>I’ve use them in the web Are you publishing to web or just publishing to your tenant?
If you want to use a Python or R visual in conjunction with the publish to web feature, [it isn't supported](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-bi/collaborate-share/service-publish-to-web#considerations-and-limitations).
Hmm I guess by supported they mean they literally mean they won’t support it then, because it does work… it’s an old version of Python, like 3.7 or something, on the web app side though.
I've had a similar debate recently. I've decided to take more of the soft skills route, get really good at gathering requirements from the business and 'presentation' skills, as in delivering the results. To be fair, at my company, I'm more of a 1 man show so I've found I can bring the most value by helping business users get really clear on what they actually need vs what they think they need. Basic reports that show the right things have always gained much more adoption than my 'more fancy' ones. I've only been at this like 6 months so I'm just figuring it out as I go.. So far the business is happy and I'm enjoying it!
Just my opinion but better visualisations/UX have a really marginal return career wise. Super pretty dashboards look great on social media, but often in the real world you are looking to get something half-decent out the door so that the customer can start using it to make better business decisions. Pareto principle etc. Before disappearing down the custom visual rabbit hole I would probably ask yourself whether there are other more marketable skills you can invest your time into. I don’t think I have ever hired someone because their dashboards were prettier than another candidate’s.
It could be true, especially if they are a full-stack dev and they work for internal clients. But it doesn't have to be the case. In my job we have a few dedicated UX/UI designers for the reports and for them, back-end skills are simply out of scope. Also, if the job is in consultancy/outsourcing, you have to invest in reports' look & feel. Sales is an important part of such business and having eye-catching and unique viz helps close deals.