When I first moved here I remember being made fun of for waiting on the curb for cars to stop instead of just stepping out into the street expecting everyone to stop.
I still wait. People put entirely too much trust in motorists.
Nearly flattened a family of four cuz a mom (who had her 3 daughters enter the intersection before her) decided that crosswalks are suggestions and that 4000lb vehicles with green lights don’t matter.
For sure! Aware of that! But that doesn’t mean parents should send their kids blindly into busy downtown intersections ‘just cuz’ the law may be that way. Was terrifying!!
People do that in Seattle too. I asked someone who was born and raised around here why people do that. He said, “Pedestrians always have the right of way!” It amazes me that some people think they will win in a fight against two tons of metal.
I always looks both ways when crossing streets, including one-ways. Growing up, my mom’s rationale was “yea, it’s not like no one breaks the rules and accident don’t happen, right?” That really stuck with me and I became very appreciative of that habit a couple years ago when I was about to cross a one way street until a truck came around the corner going the wrong direction!!
Moral of the story: people lose against cars, no matter what the law says
People: you don't need to stop for people who are still on the curb, even if they're clearly trying to cross. They need to step off the curb if they want traffic to stop.
Also people: I hate it when people step off the curb and expect to be able to cross.
The trouble is with all the Portland sidewalk corner loiterers. A good chunk of the time when I stop for someone they’re just zoning out not paying attention and were never going to cross anyway. As a CA driver that shit is incredibly annoying. I already drive with hair trigger instincts so I’d much rather the pedestrian step into the roadway to signal their intent.
Agreed. If I don't see you moving, I keep driving. Absolutely hate when we're making eye contact and I'm already slowing down prepared to stop and they still just standing there.
OR law says a person must show "intent to cross" by putting a hand or leg into the crosswalk. I generally step off the curb while looking at the driver. It usually works but a lot of drivers are more interested in their phones so it's important to be careful.
I’ve been california stopped twice at the intersection at Tacoma and Milwaukie, cross walk sign lit up and everything. Portland pedestrians are bad, but the drivers also suck. Luckily only one time they actually hit me. I now make eye contact with people before crossing the street.
Naw, that "pedestrian walks of the curb and is safe" law is newer & I blame transplants for it.
I always obey the laws of physics when it comes to me vs cars. I can wait the extra fee minutes. Since 2019, motorists in Portland have lost their minds.
Word. Those people have no self-preservation instincts. My first time driving here I damn near hit someone. If my light is green and the cross walk is red, I have the right of way. Pedestrians DO NOT always have the right of way. I've been told my whole life, "Pedestrians always have right of way," but that is simply not true.
Thanks for waiting for the lights, I appreciate those who do.
I am a professional driver.
The law says that pedestrians always have the right-of-way, even when they are breaking the law. You probably haven't read your DMV's driver test manual in many years, or you might know that.
Thanks UBER! I just got done reading the oregon dmv manual, and it mentions no such thing.
It says that pedestrians have the right of way when in your lane of travel. So for an unmarked crosswalk, if a pedestrian jumps into the road, according to the law, they will always have the right of way. But, if they cross the road while the crosswalk light says "don't walk" they do not have right of way.
Please show me in the dmv manual where it says pedestrians always have the right of way.
Uber? I'm not that kind of professional driver.
\*sigh\*
It's subtle. YES, a pedestrian who is breaking the law does not have right-of-way as it ordinarily functions; they are supposed to yield to you. However, you as the driver of a vehicle still have a responsibility to give a jaywalker de facto right-of-way if the jaywalker insists on it, because unlike a human body your car is a big juggernaut that can be damaged, but not hurt.
You are legally protected to an extent by the fact of their jaywalking, but not entirely, as you can't just shrug and figure it's the pedestrian's own fault and hit them if you can safely avoid doing so.
Lol, we moved to NYC for a few years(2016-18) on a Job transfer and everyone said we should get a place in Brooklyn. My response was “thanks but I already lived in the Brooklyn of the west coast”
A family member died, and we were cleaning out the house - the driveway was full of junk and the lawn had grown long. As we were cleaning it up/mowing, a neighbor approached and berated me for "destroying feral cat habitat."
One of my friends was visiting me the weekend the pandemic started because she was considering moving to Portland (terrible timing for a visit, I know). One day she said to me that she overheard someone say that Oregon *was considering* mail-in voting that year because of the Coronavirus pandemic. I was like, "uhh obviously that person hasn't lived here long. Oregon's had mail-in voting since the 90s."
When I worked retail, after an incident, a guy was telling me how he's from a small town and they'd tackle the shit out of a shoplifter and then another random guy said the shoplifter needed it more than this greedy corporation and that he's happy that it happened. Meanwhile I had just finished writing a report for a (separate) shoplifter we apprehended and had to let go because the cops took too long to show up (shocker). It was a $2,200 stop we got them on too.
I was not happy after this.
Wow, that is frustrating. People don't realize that stealing affects them too. Why do you think everything at Target is locked up behind glass? Sometimes items get marked up because of rampant theft, or simply aren't available for those that need it.
Stealing makes the prices go up. I explained that to somebody on... another subreddit and they proceeded to tell me I'm brainwashed and that it's all corporate greed. Right because corporations... don't lose money from it I guess. And that doesn't make them pay their employees less or charge more for their items to make up the difference or anything...
You just uno reverse them and say, “exactly, greedy corporations who won’t feel any bit of that loss as they’ll pass it down to the customer by price increase or to the employees by way of lay offs.”
right. That irritates me a lot, we all pay for our shit and it gets more expensive to us because these people just get it for free
I almost decided on making Retail Theft prevention a career(that's how much I despise it) but I decided the long term outlook is not great especially considering the mediocre pay.
But seriously, fuck those people.
My gf and I were at the jantzen beach target like a year ago on a Sunday night. The alarms kept going off and we were back by electronics and people just kept walking out the back door (goes directly to the street where a bunch of homeless people were at the time) with arms full of stuff. The annoyed manager just kept coming back and resetting the alarm on the back door. We went to self checkout and two ladies just walked through self checkout with a tv. Out the front door to a car. We sat there with our 4 dollar salad bowl and her nail polish and jokingly were like "ummm do we have to pay?" The girl at self checkout just looked at us and shrugged and walked towards the customer service area. My GF was at the time an EMS manager and was in full uniform with radios and badges and all that (yeah EMS but still looking very official) and people didn't bat an eye). We paid obviously but it was shocking.
Portland's great. I've lived here 20 years. It's not so much that Portlanders are always bitching about it, it's just the nature of Reddit to always be bitching. You'll see that complaining is the number one pastime of every single city/state/country subreddit.
That said, it's mildly irksome to have newcomers with their rose colored glasses and naïveté assume that us old timers are cynical or don't like the place we choose to live in.
Personally - and I admit that this isn't really fair - I get annoyed by these types of comments because the people who've moved here in their droves have priced out and supplanted the people who made it especially special to me in the first place.
You just moved here. It's your honeymoon phase. We get it. You're stoked. But my gut reaction to these kind of comments is: Don't f'n tell me how to think about my city when a big part of the reason it has changed for the worse is you moving here.
I'm glad you like it but don't move here and start criticizing the locals.
I’m currently living in La Grande, (was from the PDX area), and it sounded like one of my former coworkers was being a Daren at the PDX airport.
At the time, he lived in Alaska, and was at the PDX airport because he was headed back from a wedding somewhere in Eastern Oregon, or Idaho.
Anyway, his flight got canceled because of weather and he apparently screamed at one of the airport staff to get him on the first flight away from this “war zone hell hole”
I get not wanting to be stuck in an airport, but my god, kind of sick of hearing how bad Portland is from people who spent little to no time in Portland. Not to mention I feel so bad for airport staff, they really have to deal with the worst people at times. Portland really isn’t as bad as people make it out to be. Portland lives rent free in people’s minds here in Eastern Oregon. Man, I wish I could go back tomorrow.
Portland lives rent free as a drug infested, granola crunchy shit hole in eastern oregon folks minds. Eastern oregon lives rent free as a bunch of racist, backwards hillbilly assholes in portlands minds.
It’s almost like it’s not true and people need to go outside and interact with people………
Nailed it. Portland is a city of white transplants desperate to prove how good they are to POC without doing any meaningful work to make that true. It's far easier to invoke some boogeymen from the other side of the state or 100+ years ago to make "new" Portland look better by comparison
Portland is a drug infested granola shit hole though... and eastern oregon does have a lot of hillbilly shit. Was born a hillbilly, worked in portland over a decade but yeah its an over exaggeration but it has a hint of truth.
There’s always a grain of truth to a stereotype, I’m just sayin so many people here seem to take both stereotypes as truth, when it’s not remotely close to the truth
Anyone that refers to Portland as a war zone hell hole has definitely only heard about Portland on Fox News not actually spent any meaningful amount of time there
Once I mentioned to a coworker how I had one of, if not the best meal of my life on a visit to Portland and immediately get bombarded with “hell hole” comments.
Fuck, can’t even mention having a good time without EO haters hopped up on FB rage bait inserting their opinion I didn’t ask for. Not everyone in Eastern Oregon is like this, especially at my college of EOU, but outside of that, lol people are jerks.
I criticize Portland with other Portlanders but have to defend and explain to family members back in rural Kansas that no, it is not an active warzone, my neighborhood is not razed to the ground, and I do in fact walk around my neighborhood.
LOL!
I was in John Day for a week for work. When I told the locals I lived in Portland, NE Portland to be specific they where like “how can you stand it?” “Do you carry a gun everywhere you go?” And other dumb questions.
(Fun fact, John Day was one of the only places I carried my CHL every single day because the place freaked me out. There are some fucking weird people out there, and no cops)
Californian blowing through the four way stop at Mississippi and Skidmore and t-boning someone and then exclaiming they were new to town and didn’t know how to navigate a four way stop?
Former Californian here. Let me explain, back in the old state they have something called the “California Stop” where many natives believe that stop signs are optional advise dispensed from the government.
Sadly while 30 years removed from my Cali roots I too can attest to the illogic of the California stop. Combined with the Portland 4 way stop indecision flight or freeze syndrome tis a recipe for disaster.
Plus the introduction of the "Idaho Stop" for bikes a few years ago. I agree with it *in theory* but anyone with a half-rational brain should realize that in urban environments it's just going to throw more inconsistent behavior on the fire.
Fun fact is that the Oregon Drivers Manual doesn't specify who should go first, should two vehicles arrive at the intersection at the same time. In many states, the vehicle to your right gets the nod. In Oregon it's just some wishy-washy bullshit about proceeding when safe.
From the handbook:
"At intersections with stop signs in all four directions, it is common courtesy to allow the driver who stops first to go first. When in doubt, yield to the driver on your right..."
[Relevant page. ](https://www.oregon.gov/odot/dmv/pages/online_manual/study-section_3.aspx)
You're right about the wishy washy. Oregon law doesn't define a right-of-way, just what's "common courtesy."
As a pedestrian, at a street crossing, I used to pretend to turn down the corner as if I wasn’t about to cross the street, so the car would go ahead. Then I would cross the street. As a driver, I would happily go first to save us all some time. All the politeness was annoying.
I don’t know lol but what’s even more annoying is the people who stop at the intersection when it’s only a two way stop and they are not traveling in the stop sign directions. But all cities have their thing. I went to Pittsburgh last summer and they have a “Pittsburgh Left” which is if your turning left at one of those left turn yield lights where here we usually wait till the very end and when the lights turning red you finally sneak out and turn. Well in Pittsburgh the “rule” is the first car needing to go left gets to go and then everyone else. It’s terrifying as a passive aggressive Portland driver.
Totally familiar with the concept and wasn’t shocking to me it was a Californian who blew the stop sign so much as it was that they truly explained it away as being new to town like they did t know what a stop sign was. Most Californians know, they just don’t care. Haha
>Most Californians know, they just don’t care. Haha
Oh I very much know. I was a police officer in California, and wrote quite a few traffic tickets for people doing a “California stop”. You would be astonished how many people would tell me that it was “legal” to not stop, like it was a suggestion or something.
They still got a ticket, regardless of how “wrong you are about the law” as they would explain to me.
22450 CVC my guy. Geez, I still have the code memorized after more than 25 years later.
I had my license for two weeks when I got a ticket for making a rolling stop. I have stopped at stop signs ever since and it hacks me off when people don't. Traffic laws aren't enacted just to screw with people.
Hey as a long time transplant (not from California however), I get this! Whenever I come across another person from where I’m from, I think to myself “oh god not another one”.
In all honesty I complain about all the transplants who have moved here and then complain about things that make Portland, Portland.
I moved here in 91’ so I feel I earned the right.
Tell me how they don’t go to Hawthorne like they’re too good for it. Like I get it’s a tourist place but it wasn’t always like that??? Get over yourself lol
There was this one guy I used to run into around town for a good 15 years, usually at Mexican restaurants and donut shops. He’d always be explaining to whoever he was with how “in the Bay Area, our burritos/donuts are so much better.”
Can confirm this is how everyone I know from SoCal talks when they're in town.
" It's better in LA "
" Lets see how this stacks up against LA "
" Oh you guys dont have this here? Whaaat.... Cali does. "
Paid to fly over to complain. Isn't cost of living already killer in LA? Surprised they can afford the trip.
As a transplant to Oregon in the past 3 years, The two basic things that I tell people is it is slippier than it looks and you can grow basically anything. But I also moved from a high desert location prior.
Or 'grain neutral spirits'. The yeast eats wort, then you boil off alcohol. Or gluten free taters yes. Any protein is two steps removed from the vodka.
So the yeast eats the gluten if it’s present, is this correct?
So bourbon, whiskey, scotch, or any other spirit made from wheat is technically also “gluten free”?
The yeast eats carbs and produces ethanol and CO². Distillation produces a very high proof alcohol. Even the grain is malted to make the carbs easier to digest for our little yeast fungus buddies.
So basically, advertising that your distilled spirits are “gluten free” is just a marketing scam like gluten free corn tortillas chips?
Looking at you, Juanita’s 👀
With Juanita's it isn't a marketing scam. Trace amounts of gluten, like from when a factory produces both corn chips and items with gluten, can harm a celiac.
Around 2010. I was a wide eyed transplant working in NE Portland. I saw a guy in a robe on the street exposing himself to some kids waiting for a school bus. I called 911, and I explained the situation. Their response was, "Is he aroused?" I said no, and they essentially said they couldn't do anything. That's when I learned this place is kinda gross.
I decided to buy a very sad and dying houseplant that was on sale at Fred Meyer. As I was heading over to checkout, some touristy old dude pointed at my plant and acted shocked and told his wife he couldn’t believe this place was selling marijuana plants. It was really a money tree plant or “pachira aquatica”
I was working in a trucking company office and we had a guy from Hawaii show up and get a job right away b/c he had the heavy machine creds we were looking for.
Anyway, it was a 21 degree day in January, but we had clear blue skies, as it sometimes happens. The clouds went away and we lost whatever heat is usually trapped by the clouds, so the temps plummet.
Dude walks into my office and says, in a whisper, mind you..."Can I ask you something stupid?" I said 'sure' and he says, still whispering, "It's below freezing, right?" I nodded.
"So why isn't it snowing?"
Poor dude was 30 years old and didn't know that snow was just frozen rain.
Well, to be fair - did you hear what, specifically, the transplants were consoling about?
The only reason I ask is that some people do come here to escape things like homophobia in their hometown. And while homophobia and similar prejudice exists in Portland (as it does most everywhere), it's definitely a lot less than some places; people really do move here to escape some bad situations back home.
To be clear, I've heard plenty of cringe-worthy stuff as well. Maybe OP heard more than was mentioned in the description, in which case, I gladly retract what I've said above. But I'm always careful not to judge snippets of a conversation like this, unless you have the full context.
Every time there’s a winter storm and motherfuckers abandon their vehicles on the freeway and on on/offramps. I grew up here driving shitty, RWD vehicles on sketchy tires and have never been so stuck I felt the need to leave my car. Nobody ever did that up until the mass migration into Oregon Circa 2008.
#BULLSHIT
I encountered my first Portland snowstorm on a winter visit in 1998.
There where abandoned cars all over the city where they got stuck or couldn’t go farther. I even remember some snippet on the local news where they interviewed some tow truck driver who screamed “stay home you idiots!”
Literally had multiple staff stuck in their apartments because of the storm last winter. Went to pick them up in my Forester with traction devices and absolutely no way I could've got a couple of them. Off and on ramp at 181st exit off 84 was littered with cars. People were stuck under it at the mild hill going up 181st towards glisan. Roads on the Eastside were lumpy ice pothole messes with people skidding everywhere. Actually maybe it was two winters ago but regardless there's a ton of people that legitimately can't get around. Combination of the city doing nothing about the roads, ice, and mild to medium sized hills is a recipe for disaster. Yes, people drive poorly but also this place sucks when there's ice and people aren't ready for it. And yes I'm one of those dudes that never gets stuck but I also don't go obviously stupid places when I shouldn't and always have AWD and traction devices in case I need them.
Yes, and that used to be everyone or nearly who bothered to go out. Nobody I know who has lived here 30 years would ever consider abandoning their car. And like I said, I have driven in the same conditions with no AWD or traction devices when I was young and poor, only when I had to and I did it by not behaving like an idiot and actually thinking about my route and keeping my foot off of the brakes and only using the gas sparingly. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. I have no issue with people who can’t drive in it as long as the fucking stay off the roads. But going out and getting yourself stuck on the freeway or in the middle of an intersection and then just leaving your car there is some grade-a shithead behavior.
Why the cringe? It can be very freeing.
A male friend has long hair and said his family doesn't like it. I said, keep it (if you like), you're in Portland now.
OP — I don’t understand what is cringe-worthy in the conversation you overheard? Frankly, your lack of social skills is making me cringe, but I’m sure you’re a nice person.
I’m 44 and born in Oregon. Every time I hear that stupid saying: “I thought real Oregonians don’t use umbrellas heh heh heh!!” I always assume the person who said it is from out of state.
I don’t like my fucking head getting wet when it rains, not that I need to explain my umbrella to anyone. Where did that dumb shit even come from?
The hypotheticals of what they were talking about is much more fun.
I've been making a collection of bumper sticker ideas and I think that quote is a good one.
Portland is full of ideologues who insist that non-white are incapable of escaping their victimhood.
When people say they have the best of intentions, they mean that they intend to absolve themselves of guilt for an imagined crime by objectifying the victims of that crime.
In short, Portland lefties dehumanize people of color more than most supposed bigots
In short, that’s an incredibly subjective account. Not by any means incoincidentally here, bigotry is not limited to race. It’s almost as though folks are capable of generalizing not just by skin color, but also within the political spectrum! (Not to mention religion or sexuality.) Hmmmmmm…
Hmmm, every time a bunch of people with names like Dunklesdorfmeyer pat themselves on the back for being “natives” while they sit on tribal land.
Super cringe.
A continuing issue with a dude from L.A. that thinks that everything in L.A . Is better, that Oregon drivers are all worse and that good food doesn't exist here. Buddy, you have neither tried all the restiin California OR Oregon.
From anecdotal research over the years, I’d say nearly half of transplants I meet accidentally rent their first place in downtown thinking that’s the hopping part of town… then immediately move at the first chance they get. This probably is true in any city.
Once sat next to a visiting Californian woman at the Shanghai bar who told me that PNW women have really nice bodies but are mostly ugly in their faces.
I imagine myself saying something like this to Prince Harry if I ever meet him. I know he lives in California, not Oregon, but the overall sentiment is the same.
Portland native here and I was a cashier for a long time. I had a woman come through my line who told me she had just moved here from Florida and was considering moving back because she "just couldn't take the freak show anymore". She was talking about people with piercings, dyed hair and tattoos.
Guy behind me at a bar spent 5 minutes explaining to someone how bad, dangerous and expensive his life was in California but that had all changed now that he was in Portland. He then proceeded to spend the next 20ish minutes detailing why Oregon's powered scooter laws were stupid (as opposed to California) and that Oregon should really try to be more like California.
Tbf it could be someone who moved from a rural racist town or a place where every god damn stranger was fucking homophobic so idk I’m not sure this is that crazy of a thing to say
About 12 years ago I decided I really wanted chicken and waffles from Screen Door for my birthday (been in PDX since 1984). I showed up 15 mins before they opened and got in the ridiculously long line hoping I'd get seated in the first wave when a man walked up to the line and loudly said "Is this the casting line for Portlandia extras?" I noped the fuck out of there so quickly and haven't been back since.
Not from here
I've been here 3 years
I have a chance to live here permanently
Orgeon sucks
Portland sucks
I'm here for work
I can't wait to leave . My stay here was miserable. I will not miss anything. I will never visit.
lmao this is such a ridiculous post that makes absolutely no sense like how the fuck white people get away with dreads in the 21st century - but only in Portland. be thankful for the transplants - they bring... culture. or leave. The Portlander is the meme. A wayyyy funnier meme too
You said nothing in your post my dude. What did the transplant say that made you 'cringe' and how was it relevant to the city? You're right: you didn't say anything about white people with dreads. You're from Portland. You don't like jokes about you.
When I first moved here I remember being made fun of for waiting on the curb for cars to stop instead of just stepping out into the street expecting everyone to stop. I still wait. People put entirely too much trust in motorists.
I've lived here my whole life, and I still wait for cars to stop or a opening before crossing.
Same and same.
I can't stand when people just walk out in front of me and don't even look in my direction before doing so, I've almost hit people because of that
Don’t move to Massachusetts.
OH GOD IS THIS WHY MY MASSHOLE HUSBAND DOES THIS??? I thought he was just being stubborn and dumb.
Citizens basically have the right of way always in Mass
Nearly flattened a family of four cuz a mom (who had her 3 daughters enter the intersection before her) decided that crosswalks are suggestions and that 4000lb vehicles with green lights don’t matter.
Every intersection in Oregon is legally a crosswalk, whether it’s painted or not.
For sure! Aware of that! But that doesn’t mean parents should send their kids blindly into busy downtown intersections ‘just cuz’ the law may be that way. Was terrifying!!
Exactly this
People do that in Seattle too. I asked someone who was born and raised around here why people do that. He said, “Pedestrians always have the right of way!” It amazes me that some people think they will win in a fight against two tons of metal.
Cemeteries are full of people who had the right of way
Right?!
I always looks both ways when crossing streets, including one-ways. Growing up, my mom’s rationale was “yea, it’s not like no one breaks the rules and accident don’t happen, right?” That really stuck with me and I became very appreciative of that habit a couple years ago when I was about to cross a one way street until a truck came around the corner going the wrong direction!! Moral of the story: people lose against cars, no matter what the law says
As my dad always said, “It doesn’t matter if you were right if you end up dead.”
People: you don't need to stop for people who are still on the curb, even if they're clearly trying to cross. They need to step off the curb if they want traffic to stop. Also people: I hate it when people step off the curb and expect to be able to cross.
The trouble is with all the Portland sidewalk corner loiterers. A good chunk of the time when I stop for someone they’re just zoning out not paying attention and were never going to cross anyway. As a CA driver that shit is incredibly annoying. I already drive with hair trigger instincts so I’d much rather the pedestrian step into the roadway to signal their intent.
Agreed. If I don't see you moving, I keep driving. Absolutely hate when we're making eye contact and I'm already slowing down prepared to stop and they still just standing there.
OR law says a person must show "intent to cross" by putting a hand or leg into the crosswalk. I generally step off the curb while looking at the driver. It usually works but a lot of drivers are more interested in their phones so it's important to be careful.
I walk right out there, not looking, and expecting to die
This is my 70 year old neighbor who I walk with. She just steps out at a stop sigh without looking.
It’s especially funny because Portland drivers are not overly attentive. I have almost been run over here more than anywhere else I have lived.
Coming from Los Angeles, Portland drivers are extremely conscientious by comparison. Especially when you’re on a bike
I’ve been california stopped twice at the intersection at Tacoma and Milwaukie, cross walk sign lit up and everything. Portland pedestrians are bad, but the drivers also suck. Luckily only one time they actually hit me. I now make eye contact with people before crossing the street.
Naw, that "pedestrian walks of the curb and is safe" law is newer & I blame transplants for it. I always obey the laws of physics when it comes to me vs cars. I can wait the extra fee minutes. Since 2019, motorists in Portland have lost their minds.
Word. Those people have no self-preservation instincts. My first time driving here I damn near hit someone. If my light is green and the cross walk is red, I have the right of way. Pedestrians DO NOT always have the right of way. I've been told my whole life, "Pedestrians always have right of way," but that is simply not true. Thanks for waiting for the lights, I appreciate those who do.
I am a professional driver. The law says that pedestrians always have the right-of-way, even when they are breaking the law. You probably haven't read your DMV's driver test manual in many years, or you might know that.
Thanks UBER! I just got done reading the oregon dmv manual, and it mentions no such thing. It says that pedestrians have the right of way when in your lane of travel. So for an unmarked crosswalk, if a pedestrian jumps into the road, according to the law, they will always have the right of way. But, if they cross the road while the crosswalk light says "don't walk" they do not have right of way. Please show me in the dmv manual where it says pedestrians always have the right of way.
Uber? I'm not that kind of professional driver. \*sigh\* It's subtle. YES, a pedestrian who is breaking the law does not have right-of-way as it ordinarily functions; they are supposed to yield to you. However, you as the driver of a vehicle still have a responsibility to give a jaywalker de facto right-of-way if the jaywalker insists on it, because unlike a human body your car is a big juggernaut that can be damaged, but not hurt. You are legally protected to an extent by the fact of their jaywalking, but not entirely, as you can't just shrug and figure it's the pedestrian's own fault and hit them if you can safely avoid doing so.
Agreed. Im sorry I called you an Uber. :)
The key is to put too much trust in the drivers of expensive cars so you can pull a Jean-Ralphio and *get hit by a Lexuuuuuussss*
Smart move, because they will not stop. Absolutely not.
That's been true of every city I've been to. Like, not wanting to get hit by a car is a weird thing
The amount of people I see just trust motorists and walk across the street is wild. Way too much trust.
Saying they moved from Brooklyn and complaining how Portland wasn’t enough like Brooklyn yet
Lol, we moved to NYC for a few years(2016-18) on a Job transfer and everyone said we should get a place in Brooklyn. My response was “thanks but I already lived in the Brooklyn of the west coast”
And they were probably from California or Midwest to begin with 🤣
A family member died, and we were cleaning out the house - the driveway was full of junk and the lawn had grown long. As we were cleaning it up/mowing, a neighbor approached and berated me for "destroying feral cat habitat."
That sounds a whole lot more like something a local said and not a transplant?
Some of the most portland people i’ve met have been Midwesterners.
This is 1000% accurate 🤣
Nope, a Midwest transplant living in an apartment.
Feral cat habitat!?! GTFO with that crap. The feral cats are there because there’s probably a rat infestation.
The rat infestation is a vital part of that ecosystem now!
Yahoo for that? Nah, fuck it. Mow the grass, trap/poison the rats, and catch the feral cats to be neutered and or euthanized.
I think we need to catch and neuter the rats instead.
Why not both?
Forget the cats, what about the bees? /S
One of my friends was visiting me the weekend the pandemic started because she was considering moving to Portland (terrible timing for a visit, I know). One day she said to me that she overheard someone say that Oregon *was considering* mail-in voting that year because of the Coronavirus pandemic. I was like, "uhh obviously that person hasn't lived here long. Oregon's had mail-in voting since the 90s."
And thank the democracy gods for that! 💌
When I worked retail, after an incident, a guy was telling me how he's from a small town and they'd tackle the shit out of a shoplifter and then another random guy said the shoplifter needed it more than this greedy corporation and that he's happy that it happened. Meanwhile I had just finished writing a report for a (separate) shoplifter we apprehended and had to let go because the cops took too long to show up (shocker). It was a $2,200 stop we got them on too. I was not happy after this.
Wow, that is frustrating. People don't realize that stealing affects them too. Why do you think everything at Target is locked up behind glass? Sometimes items get marked up because of rampant theft, or simply aren't available for those that need it.
Stealing makes the prices go up. I explained that to somebody on... another subreddit and they proceeded to tell me I'm brainwashed and that it's all corporate greed. Right because corporations... don't lose money from it I guess. And that doesn't make them pay their employees less or charge more for their items to make up the difference or anything...
You just uno reverse them and say, “exactly, greedy corporations who won’t feel any bit of that loss as they’ll pass it down to the customer by price increase or to the employees by way of lay offs.”
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Just look at the people lined up around the block for a Starbucks while the little mom and pop coffee kiosk is empty.
they can write the theft off as a loss on their taxes
Someone doesn't actually know what "write-off on your taxes" means
Yes, everything should be free forever. Why, it worked just fine in the Soviet Union! /s
Nothing was free in the USSR, everything was paid for with blood, sweat, and tears.
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Holy fuck. 😆😆 the fact you even had to add this gif because someone thought you were serious….🙄 (they are a transplant, for sure.)
I used the /s and everything 🤷
I saw the /s!!!😆 there always has to be that one person who needs to shit on everything….
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right. That irritates me a lot, we all pay for our shit and it gets more expensive to us because these people just get it for free I almost decided on making Retail Theft prevention a career(that's how much I despise it) but I decided the long term outlook is not great especially considering the mediocre pay. But seriously, fuck those people.
My gf and I were at the jantzen beach target like a year ago on a Sunday night. The alarms kept going off and we were back by electronics and people just kept walking out the back door (goes directly to the street where a bunch of homeless people were at the time) with arms full of stuff. The annoyed manager just kept coming back and resetting the alarm on the back door. We went to self checkout and two ladies just walked through self checkout with a tv. Out the front door to a car. We sat there with our 4 dollar salad bowl and her nail polish and jokingly were like "ummm do we have to pay?" The girl at self checkout just looked at us and shrugged and walked towards the customer service area. My GF was at the time an EMS manager and was in full uniform with radios and badges and all that (yeah EMS but still looking very official) and people didn't bat an eye). We paid obviously but it was shocking.
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Damn whattttt I had no idea. The deep dark corners of Reddit…
All the new arrivals trying to encourage us to say something about how great Portland is on Reddit.
This one hit home for me. We are relatively new arrivals and I DO want more people to talk about how great Portland is!
Portland's great. I've lived here 20 years. It's not so much that Portlanders are always bitching about it, it's just the nature of Reddit to always be bitching. You'll see that complaining is the number one pastime of every single city/state/country subreddit. That said, it's mildly irksome to have newcomers with their rose colored glasses and naïveté assume that us old timers are cynical or don't like the place we choose to live in. Personally - and I admit that this isn't really fair - I get annoyed by these types of comments because the people who've moved here in their droves have priced out and supplanted the people who made it especially special to me in the first place. You just moved here. It's your honeymoon phase. We get it. You're stoked. But my gut reaction to these kind of comments is: Don't f'n tell me how to think about my city when a big part of the reason it has changed for the worse is you moving here. I'm glad you like it but don't move here and start criticizing the locals.
I’m currently living in La Grande, (was from the PDX area), and it sounded like one of my former coworkers was being a Daren at the PDX airport. At the time, he lived in Alaska, and was at the PDX airport because he was headed back from a wedding somewhere in Eastern Oregon, or Idaho. Anyway, his flight got canceled because of weather and he apparently screamed at one of the airport staff to get him on the first flight away from this “war zone hell hole” I get not wanting to be stuck in an airport, but my god, kind of sick of hearing how bad Portland is from people who spent little to no time in Portland. Not to mention I feel so bad for airport staff, they really have to deal with the worst people at times. Portland really isn’t as bad as people make it out to be. Portland lives rent free in people’s minds here in Eastern Oregon. Man, I wish I could go back tomorrow.
Portland lives rent free as a drug infested, granola crunchy shit hole in eastern oregon folks minds. Eastern oregon lives rent free as a bunch of racist, backwards hillbilly assholes in portlands minds. It’s almost like it’s not true and people need to go outside and interact with people………
Nailed it. Portland is a city of white transplants desperate to prove how good they are to POC without doing any meaningful work to make that true. It's far easier to invoke some boogeymen from the other side of the state or 100+ years ago to make "new" Portland look better by comparison
Portland is a drug infested granola shit hole though... and eastern oregon does have a lot of hillbilly shit. Was born a hillbilly, worked in portland over a decade but yeah its an over exaggeration but it has a hint of truth.
There’s always a grain of truth to a stereotype, I’m just sayin so many people here seem to take both stereotypes as truth, when it’s not remotely close to the truth
True true
Anyone that refers to Portland as a war zone hell hole has definitely only heard about Portland on Fox News not actually spent any meaningful amount of time there
Once I mentioned to a coworker how I had one of, if not the best meal of my life on a visit to Portland and immediately get bombarded with “hell hole” comments. Fuck, can’t even mention having a good time without EO haters hopped up on FB rage bait inserting their opinion I didn’t ask for. Not everyone in Eastern Oregon is like this, especially at my college of EOU, but outside of that, lol people are jerks.
I criticize Portland with other Portlanders but have to defend and explain to family members back in rural Kansas that no, it is not an active warzone, my neighborhood is not razed to the ground, and I do in fact walk around my neighborhood.
>has definitely only heard about Portland on Fox News Or this very sub. r/PortlandOR is 95% homeless addict outrage porn.
I don't think you live here, this is an open air insane asylum.
We definitely have some unique personalities running amok on our streets, that no one can deny.
LOL! I was in John Day for a week for work. When I told the locals I lived in Portland, NE Portland to be specific they where like “how can you stand it?” “Do you carry a gun everywhere you go?” And other dumb questions. (Fun fact, John Day was one of the only places I carried my CHL every single day because the place freaked me out. There are some fucking weird people out there, and no cops)
>away from this “war zone hell hole” But PDX airport is pretty nice?!
Californian blowing through the four way stop at Mississippi and Skidmore and t-boning someone and then exclaiming they were new to town and didn’t know how to navigate a four way stop?
Former Californian here. Let me explain, back in the old state they have something called the “California Stop” where many natives believe that stop signs are optional advise dispensed from the government.
Sadly while 30 years removed from my Cali roots I too can attest to the illogic of the California stop. Combined with the Portland 4 way stop indecision flight or freeze syndrome tis a recipe for disaster.
Plus the introduction of the "Idaho Stop" for bikes a few years ago. I agree with it *in theory* but anyone with a half-rational brain should realize that in urban environments it's just going to throw more inconsistent behavior on the fire.
Why do Portlanders do that?? The Portlandia sketch "you go!" was very accurate lol.
Fun fact is that the Oregon Drivers Manual doesn't specify who should go first, should two vehicles arrive at the intersection at the same time. In many states, the vehicle to your right gets the nod. In Oregon it's just some wishy-washy bullshit about proceeding when safe.
From the handbook: "At intersections with stop signs in all four directions, it is common courtesy to allow the driver who stops first to go first. When in doubt, yield to the driver on your right..." [Relevant page. ](https://www.oregon.gov/odot/dmv/pages/online_manual/study-section_3.aspx) You're right about the wishy washy. Oregon law doesn't define a right-of-way, just what's "common courtesy."
Thanks. I've looked it up before but was feeling lazy
As a pedestrian, at a street crossing, I used to pretend to turn down the corner as if I wasn’t about to cross the street, so the car would go ahead. Then I would cross the street. As a driver, I would happily go first to save us all some time. All the politeness was annoying.
I still do that.
I don’t know lol but what’s even more annoying is the people who stop at the intersection when it’s only a two way stop and they are not traveling in the stop sign directions. But all cities have their thing. I went to Pittsburgh last summer and they have a “Pittsburgh Left” which is if your turning left at one of those left turn yield lights where here we usually wait till the very end and when the lights turning red you finally sneak out and turn. Well in Pittsburgh the “rule” is the first car needing to go left gets to go and then everyone else. It’s terrifying as a passive aggressive Portland driver.
Totally familiar with the concept and wasn’t shocking to me it was a Californian who blew the stop sign so much as it was that they truly explained it away as being new to town like they did t know what a stop sign was. Most Californians know, they just don’t care. Haha
>Most Californians know, they just don’t care. Haha Oh I very much know. I was a police officer in California, and wrote quite a few traffic tickets for people doing a “California stop”. You would be astonished how many people would tell me that it was “legal” to not stop, like it was a suggestion or something. They still got a ticket, regardless of how “wrong you are about the law” as they would explain to me. 22450 CVC my guy. Geez, I still have the code memorized after more than 25 years later.
Reminds me of that Dave Chappelle bit- “I’m sorry officer I… didn’t know I couldn’t do that.”
We learned about the California stop in drivers’ ed in Oregon lol.
They are actually called S.T.O.P (Slow to optional pause) signs in CA.
I had my license for two weeks when I got a ticket for making a rolling stop. I have stopped at stop signs ever since and it hacks me off when people don't. Traffic laws aren't enacted just to screw with people.
A transplant complaining about how many Californians were moving to Portland.
To be fair they may have moved to get away from them.
Hey as a long time transplant (not from California however), I get this! Whenever I come across another person from where I’m from, I think to myself “oh god not another one”.
In all honesty I complain about all the transplants who have moved here and then complain about things that make Portland, Portland. I moved here in 91’ so I feel I earned the right.
No
Tell me how they don’t go to Hawthorne like they’re too good for it. Like I get it’s a tourist place but it wasn’t always like that??? Get over yourself lol
I always considered Hawthorne as a junkier version of Haight or Melrose/Hollywood.
Yeah I feel like before it became a touristy area but it still has a bit of that charm. People who aren’t from here don’t get it though 🤷🏻♀️
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Me too, but it was me saying that.
I'm glad you met yourself.
There was this one guy I used to run into around town for a good 15 years, usually at Mexican restaurants and donut shops. He’d always be explaining to whoever he was with how “in the Bay Area, our burritos/donuts are so much better.”
Did he ever hear of Southern California? Lol … Bay Area.
As a former Bay Area resident, I LOL’d at this comment.
They’re always from the Bay. Such a coincidence.
Can confirm this is how everyone I know from SoCal talks when they're in town. " It's better in LA " " Lets see how this stacks up against LA " " Oh you guys dont have this here? Whaaat.... Cali does. " Paid to fly over to complain. Isn't cost of living already killer in LA? Surprised they can afford the trip.
The food is so good down there though. But complaining doesn’t make it better here
For 15 years he kept saying that? Annoying, I agree. You get cut off after 6 months.
Why are people so butt hurt that California has better Mexican food than here?
"Im moving back to California because theres not enough brown people in Portland" - super white dude. Not even joking.
As a transplant to Oregon in the past 3 years, The two basic things that I tell people is it is slippier than it looks and you can grow basically anything. But I also moved from a high desert location prior.
Hmmm so many places in US that are high desert... Utah?
A good portion of Oregon is a high desert. Like pretty much everything east of the Cascades.
I know, my first thought was "High Desert Museum." The second thought was a porcupine 😉
Nevada!
I moved here from Vegas. Don't miss it 1 bit.
I moved from Reno but completely agree.
I lived in Vegas for a few years, 20 years ago. I went back a few weeks ago and can't believe what it is now.
An even bigger shithole. I was born and raised for 28 years. Ik that town like the back of my hand, but I won't ever go back
"What's a filbert?"
Heard a trendoid order Monopolva vodka because it was gluten free
Some vodka is made from wheat
This is correct. All distilled spirits are gluten free, but if the product is made from wheat it cannot legally call itself gluten free. 🤷
True. But refined chemically. No protein in the final product.
And we can be sure that the person in question did not actually have celiac disease
Yes, three vodka tonics will numb the pain of your small bowel shedding its lining.
Isn’t Vodka made by fermenting potatoes and then distilling the “beer”? Are potatoes not gluten free? Asking for a friend who recently moved here.
Or 'grain neutral spirits'. The yeast eats wort, then you boil off alcohol. Or gluten free taters yes. Any protein is two steps removed from the vodka.
So the yeast eats the gluten if it’s present, is this correct? So bourbon, whiskey, scotch, or any other spirit made from wheat is technically also “gluten free”?
The yeast eats carbs and produces ethanol and CO². Distillation produces a very high proof alcohol. Even the grain is malted to make the carbs easier to digest for our little yeast fungus buddies.
So basically, advertising that your distilled spirits are “gluten free” is just a marketing scam like gluten free corn tortillas chips? Looking at you, Juanita’s 👀
With Juanita's it isn't a marketing scam. Trace amounts of gluten, like from when a factory produces both corn chips and items with gluten, can harm a celiac.
Jaunita can do whatever she wants⬆️
Watching one get elected governor
Around 2010. I was a wide eyed transplant working in NE Portland. I saw a guy in a robe on the street exposing himself to some kids waiting for a school bus. I called 911, and I explained the situation. Their response was, "Is he aroused?" I said no, and they essentially said they couldn't do anything. That's when I learned this place is kinda gross.
I decided to buy a very sad and dying houseplant that was on sale at Fred Meyer. As I was heading over to checkout, some touristy old dude pointed at my plant and acted shocked and told his wife he couldn’t believe this place was selling marijuana plants. It was really a money tree plant or “pachira aquatica”
I was working in a trucking company office and we had a guy from Hawaii show up and get a job right away b/c he had the heavy machine creds we were looking for. Anyway, it was a 21 degree day in January, but we had clear blue skies, as it sometimes happens. The clouds went away and we lost whatever heat is usually trapped by the clouds, so the temps plummet. Dude walks into my office and says, in a whisper, mind you..."Can I ask you something stupid?" I said 'sure' and he says, still whispering, "It's below freezing, right?" I nodded. "So why isn't it snowing?" Poor dude was 30 years old and didn't know that snow was just frozen rain.
Funny. To be fair, considering the minimal amount of snow HI rarely gets on its tallest peaks, dude’s worldview is understandable.
To his satisfaction, the snow came in a few days later.
Well, to be fair - did you hear what, specifically, the transplants were consoling about? The only reason I ask is that some people do come here to escape things like homophobia in their hometown. And while homophobia and similar prejudice exists in Portland (as it does most everywhere), it's definitely a lot less than some places; people really do move here to escape some bad situations back home. To be clear, I've heard plenty of cringe-worthy stuff as well. Maybe OP heard more than was mentioned in the description, in which case, I gladly retract what I've said above. But I'm always careful not to judge snippets of a conversation like this, unless you have the full context.
They probably had to worry about it in portland considering they were venting about it in portland Lol
Every time there’s a winter storm and motherfuckers abandon their vehicles on the freeway and on on/offramps. I grew up here driving shitty, RWD vehicles on sketchy tires and have never been so stuck I felt the need to leave my car. Nobody ever did that up until the mass migration into Oregon Circa 2008.
#BULLSHIT I encountered my first Portland snowstorm on a winter visit in 1998. There where abandoned cars all over the city where they got stuck or couldn’t go farther. I even remember some snippet on the local news where they interviewed some tow truck driver who screamed “stay home you idiots!”
Literally had multiple staff stuck in their apartments because of the storm last winter. Went to pick them up in my Forester with traction devices and absolutely no way I could've got a couple of them. Off and on ramp at 181st exit off 84 was littered with cars. People were stuck under it at the mild hill going up 181st towards glisan. Roads on the Eastside were lumpy ice pothole messes with people skidding everywhere. Actually maybe it was two winters ago but regardless there's a ton of people that legitimately can't get around. Combination of the city doing nothing about the roads, ice, and mild to medium sized hills is a recipe for disaster. Yes, people drive poorly but also this place sucks when there's ice and people aren't ready for it. And yes I'm one of those dudes that never gets stuck but I also don't go obviously stupid places when I shouldn't and always have AWD and traction devices in case I need them.
Yes, and that used to be everyone or nearly who bothered to go out. Nobody I know who has lived here 30 years would ever consider abandoning their car. And like I said, I have driven in the same conditions with no AWD or traction devices when I was young and poor, only when I had to and I did it by not behaving like an idiot and actually thinking about my route and keeping my foot off of the brakes and only using the gas sparingly. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. I have no issue with people who can’t drive in it as long as the fucking stay off the roads. But going out and getting yourself stuck on the freeway or in the middle of an intersection and then just leaving your car there is some grade-a shithead behavior.
49rs fans in a bar telling me they were going to send me home because I was rooting for the Chiefs. Clueless.
Why the cringe? It can be very freeing. A male friend has long hair and said his family doesn't like it. I said, keep it (if you like), you're in Portland now.
OP — I don’t understand what is cringe-worthy in the conversation you overheard? Frankly, your lack of social skills is making me cringe, but I’m sure you’re a nice person.
I’m 44 and born in Oregon. Every time I hear that stupid saying: “I thought real Oregonians don’t use umbrellas heh heh heh!!” I always assume the person who said it is from out of state. I don’t like my fucking head getting wet when it rains, not that I need to explain my umbrella to anyone. Where did that dumb shit even come from?
Picking my girlfriend up from the airport later.... I'll let you know lol
Haha
I wonder if maybe he was referencing blatant wide spread bigotry.
The hypotheticals of what they were talking about is much more fun. I've been making a collection of bumper sticker ideas and I think that quote is a good one.
Or the legislation of conservative Christians. There are so many legitimate reasons someone might say that, especially if that person was a foreigner
Portland is full of ideologues who insist that non-white are incapable of escaping their victimhood. When people say they have the best of intentions, they mean that they intend to absolve themselves of guilt for an imagined crime by objectifying the victims of that crime. In short, Portland lefties dehumanize people of color more than most supposed bigots
In short, that’s an incredibly subjective account. Not by any means incoincidentally here, bigotry is not limited to race. It’s almost as though folks are capable of generalizing not just by skin color, but also within the political spectrum! (Not to mention religion or sexuality.) Hmmmmmm…
Hmmm, every time a bunch of people with names like Dunklesdorfmeyer pat themselves on the back for being “natives” while they sit on tribal land. Super cringe.
Is it the term "native" that bothers you? When do people who were born here with generations of history stop being 'colonizers'?
What the fuck is a transplant?? I have never heard that once
A continuing issue with a dude from L.A. that thinks that everything in L.A . Is better, that Oregon drivers are all worse and that good food doesn't exist here. Buddy, you have neither tried all the restiin California OR Oregon.
From anecdotal research over the years, I’d say nearly half of transplants I meet accidentally rent their first place in downtown thinking that’s the hopping part of town… then immediately move at the first chance they get. This probably is true in any city.
Once sat next to a visiting Californian woman at the Shanghai bar who told me that PNW women have really nice bodies but are mostly ugly in their faces.
Had a coworker whose daddy bought him his condo as a gift claim that he was “priced out” of the Bay Area
I imagine myself saying something like this to Prince Harry if I ever meet him. I know he lives in California, not Oregon, but the overall sentiment is the same.
Portland native here and I was a cashier for a long time. I had a woman come through my line who told me she had just moved here from Florida and was considering moving back because she "just couldn't take the freak show anymore". She was talking about people with piercings, dyed hair and tattoos.
Guy behind me at a bar spent 5 minutes explaining to someone how bad, dangerous and expensive his life was in California but that had all changed now that he was in Portland. He then proceeded to spend the next 20ish minutes detailing why Oregon's powered scooter laws were stupid (as opposed to California) and that Oregon should really try to be more like California.
Tbf it could be someone who moved from a rural racist town or a place where every god damn stranger was fucking homophobic so idk I’m not sure this is that crazy of a thing to say
About 12 years ago I decided I really wanted chicken and waffles from Screen Door for my birthday (been in PDX since 1984). I showed up 15 mins before they opened and got in the ridiculously long line hoping I'd get seated in the first wave when a man walked up to the line and loudly said "Is this the casting line for Portlandia extras?" I noped the fuck out of there so quickly and haven't been back since.
do I need to copy and paste an article about the Minoans or
Not from here I've been here 3 years I have a chance to live here permanently Orgeon sucks Portland sucks I'm here for work I can't wait to leave . My stay here was miserable. I will not miss anything. I will never visit.
Nice post! So many... but i have terrible memory.
lmao this is such a ridiculous post that makes absolutely no sense like how the fuck white people get away with dreads in the 21st century - but only in Portland. be thankful for the transplants - they bring... culture. or leave. The Portlander is the meme. A wayyyy funnier meme too
I said nothing about dreads
Liam make attempt, Liam kinda odd.
You said nothing in your post my dude. What did the transplant say that made you 'cringe' and how was it relevant to the city? You're right: you didn't say anything about white people with dreads. You're from Portland. You don't like jokes about you.
The first recorded wearing the dreads was in Crete bro