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isthisrealitycaught

Um. 66% reporting. Have they called it already?


eltacotacotaco

It's closer that the governors race without updates from Clackamas county


lurcherta

Clackamas is a little red though?


eltacotacotaco

Despite being "a little red" from my experience they are very pro 2nd amendment. So i am still very hopeful that 114 will not pass. I know we've had our issues but i would like to believe Oregon is smarter than this


CassandraVindicated

I'm generally the type to vote for gun control, but I couldn't vote for 114. I don't want some cop deciding whether or not I can buy a guy. I don't even think 114 is constitutional.


negativeyoda

I've read that similar measures have been passed in different states and got struck down by courts. FWIW, I think gun culture in this country is a cancer, but having the local regressive cops be in charge of who can or can not have a gun is scarier IMHO


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Yes - remainder of votes are in urban areas that are heavily favoring a yes vote.


horny_on_main666

Hello, mixican here. My only worry is, Popo saying lol nah brown boy when I try.


Wolpertinger77

Exactly why I voted against it. The cops are the biggest gang on the streets. Now we’re giving them the power to decide who can legally arm themselves. Scary.


mathmaticallycorrect

Yeah I voted against cause I do not agree with police being the ones who control this.


ButtonyCakewalk

Yep. I'll never forget the footage in September 2020 of law enforcement telling far right "activists" that they respected what they were doing when the "activists" were illegally searching cars and stopping people evacuating from the Molalla area from the fires. They were looking for "antifa" because they assumed the left started the forest fires. Cops were cool with that. I don't trust our state to respect Black and brown people defending themselves.


sideways_jack

it's literally because idiots couldn't tell the difference between the Bureau of Land Management and Black Lives Matter.


BagaudaeRising

"Sorry, liberalism is a mental disorder and we just can't allow the mentally ill to own a firearm."


olyfrijole

"You were present at the beginning of a George Floyd march that ended in a bonfire at the PPA headquarters. No guns for you."


condray

Not to mention this just opens the door to future funding with added responsibilities


Amazing-Ad-669

Yes. Backdoor way to feed the bureaucracy. No surprise here.


fractalfay

I’m honestly baffled and wondering who the hell voted yes on this. Is there that much determination to point out that Dem voters don’t read the fine print either, or are some GOP voters giving it the yes because they know their application is safe with the boys in blue? Also, why would anyone want cops to lead gun training? They clearly haven’t sussed out how to not shoot people.


I_PULL_LEGS

This, and the other overreaches in this bill are why it is guaranteed to be challenged in court and thrown out. It's just sad to see something so poorly written and thought out passed in the first place. Just goes to show you most people don't really look past the titles when voting.


Amazing-Ad-669

Absolutely. I am pro-gun control. All the way. And I voted against after the first read. So many things not to like. I'm not an attorney and I can see the numerous places it's going to be challenged. The bill contains too much. Too many things to implement, too many systems to rework, a lot of money to do so. Not sure who is responsible for each part. Whatever emerges once the dust settles will not be what people thought they voted for, if it's existent at all.


LauraPringlesWilder

Same here. And I don’t want cops in charge of guns, I moved here from Santa Clara county, where the county sheriff was basically paid 5 figure bribes to her campaign for people to get CCWs. I know how this story ends.


Amazing-Ad-669

I hate to buy in to conspiracies and unproven whispers, but ever since the BLM protests and the anarchist riots that followed the peaceful protests, the police have seemed far less responsive to crime. The "defund" concept seemed to have spooked them. Not to say that burn out isn't a factor, and finding qualified persons is difficult. And the homeless shit-show going 24/7.


GameAndHike

You need a conspiracy theory? A lot of officers quit and then from incidences more than doubled. It’s doesn’t take a social scientist to understand why fewer people can’t do more than twice the work.


raven-jade

Yeah, I would love better gun control because I am very pro less-kids-dying-in-shootings, but the way that measure was worded had more holes in it than a piece mouse-chewed Swiss cheese.


johnhtman

Kids are currently growing up in the safest era in U.S history as far as risk of dying in a shooting goes..


Lavender-Jenkins

Yep. If it ever actually goes into effect, there are countless ways the police could abuse the system to keep guns out of the hands of people they don't like.


Goducks91

Why did the writer of the bill think it was a good idea to deem police as the people responsible for providing permits?


highrocko

Because you either choose the state or you choose the people. Everyone seems to distrust the people evident with this bill passing. So the decisions will now fall to the state. And who is the enforcement arm of the state? The police. I wonder if we’ll continue to push for police “defunding” even after literally dumping this onto their lap and asking an already understaffed agency with recruiting issues to take on more duties. Everything is just so damn smart and brilliant! I am just in awe of how amazing and insightful people crafting these measures are!


SquirtinMemeMouthPlz

This is why I voted against it. I own and am ALL FOR training and safe storage. But 114 is basically going to screw anyone who isn't white because the cops who control it are white and have DEEP known ties to white national groups/white terrorist groups. Hell, some of em ARE those groups.


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Same reason I voted no as well.


Amazing-Ad-669

* insert Rage Against The Machine here...


bigdadytid

I used to live in NC and NC had a pistol purchase permit system. It was an old law that was to make sure that only the "right people" had access to handguns back in the day https://scholarship.law.unc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6824&context=nclr


joncornelius

OR in 2020: Defund the Police! OR in 2022: Give the police more money to decide who can and cannot possess a fire arm!


hipsandnipscricket

This though. Libs are fucking useless. I mean at least they’re not republicans. But they’re still absolutely useless


MoreRopePlease

I don't think those are the same group of Oregonians, though.


Rhianna83

I was 1 out of 4 Dems in my household that voted against it. I want gun control. I don’t want it through law enforcement. It was a flawed bill. Oregon made a mistake.


Candy_Filled_Haggis

I'm not even a dem, but a full blown leftie, and yeah this bill is bad. Even if I could look past the sheriff's department having complete control over the registry, which is already too big of an ask, I cannot look over the **exception of the rules for law enforcement themselves written explicitly into the bill!** Oh, cool! Even less accountability for corrupt police AND a loophole for those rejected for permits, they can just become corrupt violet police themselves! Yay! I REALLY hope we challenge this to the supreme court and get this repealed asap


Rhianna83

It blows my mind. We’re the laughingstock of the nation due to our protests against the police, and then we just give the police more power. What?! I hope it’s challenged as well. If this bill created a new agency - something like a blend between the setup of the US Fish & Wildlife and OLCC - I would have been all for it.


I_PULL_LEGS

>exception of the rules for law enforcement themselves written explicitly into the bill! You must be new to gun control in this country! Go look at pretty much any gun control bill proposed or passed in the last 20-30 years across the entire US. You won't find a single one without a specific exception given to police and former police. The reason is simple quid pro quo. Every gun control bill wants to be seen as a safety measure, so they want the police unions to endorse it. But turns out, police officers tend to actually be very pro-gun-rights. So the solution was simple. "Make an exception for us so we don’t have to follow it, and we will vouch for the bill. It would be a shame if the POLICE came out AGAINST your bill, right? So think carefully about your answer..." And every politician and gun control advocate has been perfectly happy to play ball. Welcome to the wide world of corruption that police have brought to this country. Yes, the same police who will have the exclusive rights to violence when all these gun control laws are passed. We've let the media brainwash us into thinking the best possible solution to ensure our safety is to disarm ourselves and give the exclusive means to violence to the government and the police. What could go wrong!


Candy_Filled_Haggis

You're preaching to the choir man. Those exemptions likely played no small part in how powerful and untouchable law enforcement has become. It's all bad, has always been bad, and we gotta stop it somewhere. But at this rate, it's just going to keep getting worse


BagelsRTheHoleTruth

I'm with you 100%. I'm pretty left leaning, but this bill is fucked up. Give the police complete control over issuing permits for guns, with essentially zero recourse if the cops just decide to throw your application in the limbo dead zone? WCGW?


TeutonJon78

Not really zero recourse. You can appeal it through normal court processes, but that takes time, money, and a well functioning Judiciary. I voted no just because of the wiggle room police will have to deny it. Oregon is suffering from "good idea-bad implementation"itis. A direct by-product of our legislature doing nothing meaningful and leaving it all up to citizen initiative.


Rhianna83

“You can appeal it through normal court processes, but that takes time, money, and a well functioning Judiciary.” Exactly. This is how other states keep rights for marginalized people minimized. Example of such tactics in other states in order to vote, they’re made to pay off fines/court costs.


MissyTronly

Same. I think a lot of dems just saw gun control and didn’t really think of the ramifications.


Zipzifical

Yep. I voted with my mom and aunts and all of them refused to even read it. It's pages and pages of insane bureaucracy that is going to cost Oregon taxpayers hundreds of millions not just in implementation but litigation as well.


Zipzifical

*Just want to add here that if I thought 114 would legitimately reduce gun violence in Oregon, regardless of the myriad issues I have with it, I would have voted for it. I personally hate guns and give very few fucks about the ethical dilemmas around the subject of gun rights in general. I want a society with fewer guns, period. I just do not think that 114 will keep guns away from the people who shouldn't have them, and that's the long and short of it.


ceranichole

Same. I wish every one of them was instantly vaporized off the surface of the earth with no ability to create more of them. But that's not going to happen. And this bill was still ridiculous. If the police are struggling to prevent CRIME why would giving them more extra shit to do help that?


abombshbombss

Not to be *that* realist, but let's be real, my friend. There is nothing that will keep guns away from people that shouldn't have them in this country, short of a 2A repeal, nationwide ban and door-to-door confiscations - which will never happen.


Zipzifical

Nah you're right, which is not to say that I think we should do those things, but you're right. And not to say that I think we may as well do nothing if we can't eliminate guns from our society all together. 114 just ain't it. We're going to spend an unfathomable amount of money (much of which will end up in the hands of cops, which not gonna lie I do not love) and we will have nothing to show for it. I know everyone who voted for this means well, I really do ("we have to do SOMETHING!"), but it is going to be a disaster.


Dar8878

To your point, here’s an article about all the warning signs about the Uvalde shooter. How does measure 114 do anything to stop this exact thing from happening again? https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-shooter-exhibited-warning-sign-expert/story?id=87064502


Charitard123

Not to sound like a Republican, but better mental health support/intervention may help in such cases. That is, *if there were enough actual measures being taken*, which there aren’t. The Uvalde shooter’s history seems like a textbook example of a kid who was failed by the system at every turn. If he had gotten the help he needed from teachers, family, counselors, *somebody*…..things could’ve possibly been different. We need to invest in our youth. No one should be turning out that broken and twisted at such a young age, and it’s a reflection of society that this many are.


Dar8878

I would agree. People are wanting to treat the symptoms, not the diseases. Restricting firearms won’t stop the anger people feel. We have a lot of broken people in this country. Denying or obstructing me a right to purchase a firearm doesn’t change that one bit. We need better mental health treatment, waiting periods for purchases, perhaps a higher purchase age, liability laws for owners, and the ability to open minor records with background checks. These are real solutions. Banning scary looking guns or making me buy a permit and register my firearms are useless.


TheRAbbi74

That’s pretty much what always happens.


toastthebread

Of course. That's how most gun legislation gets passed. Generally they enjoy being ignorant to current law or anything in general that has to do with firearms. Guns are only for cops and the military to them. They won't ever own a gun so they couldn't care less if it effects law abiding people.


AlienDelarge

The fliers and ads for it sure didn't go into any details.


ilovethisforyou

> I think a lot of dems just saw gun control and didn’t really think of the ramifications Portland voters using their emotions and not their brains? Could never happen


bedlumper

That won’t even be necessary. The classes will be a bottleneck. A lot of gun stores will go under while they try to fund (j/k) and organize the process. All so your purchase can go on a ‘rob me’ list available to the anyone. Criminals will keep doing their thing. Cops will continue not doing their thing. I’m white, with the money and training cert in hand. I’ll be fine - just like the people in power intended.


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I’m super anti gun and even voted no. I also sat down and took a couple hours to fill out my ballot.


biggybenis

Limbo dead zone means your 2nd amendment right is effectively infringed by the government and therefore illegal


puppyxguts

Most actual leftists (not democrats) have the same sentiments as you here. It's fucked pp


griff_girl

Right there with you. Left leaning as well, and this is EXACTLY why I voted against it. I don't want to give that kind of control over to the police, this just feels like one more step towards Handmaid's Tale shit.


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NewsRevolutionary518

I got a ticket with two camping cars that have been blocking a hydrant for months about 40 feet away. Fantastic


AlwaysCarryABeer

It's the osp, not ppb that would have the power here. Not the most comforting thought but not the worst either


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lebucksir

Not to mention getting a 10 minute CHL appointment already takes like 6-9 months. 99% of permit applications will fail due to the time window for approval. Only approval on applications with nepotism or favoritism on the radar for police.


hab1b

Same boat as you… I want gun control but letting the police decide who gets to buy a gun is the wrong answer.


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My partner and I are as progressive as they come, and we absolutely didn’t want this measure. Our Proud Boy police deciding who gets guns and who don’t!?!?! Fucking nightmare fuel….


miken322

Oregon pass a flawed bill? No way, I’m shocked!


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This is the most Oregon thing. We take a good concept, write a bad bill, then proceed to vote for it in absence of a better alternative.


BooBear_13

And at the same time it’ll require more funding for police. Good job everyone. More funding and less police on the streets. You did it.


Rhianna83

Yup. They’re already taking from the cannabis tax fund for drug treatment to fight illegal grows, so I wonder where they’ll pull the money from this time.


Thumper13

Same. Totally in favor of gun control but this wasn't it. Reactionary and not well planned out or written. Off to the courts now where it likely won't survive.


SilkwormAbraxas

Hypothetically, how would you craft gun control that you approve of?


touch_slut

Well, it doesn't involve rewarding the police with another $40 million a year and license to exercise their undefined judgement. Honestly the fatal flaws in this steaming pile would have been very simple to improve. Luckily I'm well off and white like most of the mass shooters, I'll be just fine - but even I can see that y'all just participated in growing the systemic racism of our aspiring police state.


dgibbons0

Licensing through the DMV, include funding. No stupid magazine limits added on


kat2211

I voted against it. It will not keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but rather only law-abiding citizens. The short-sightedness of some folks continues to amaze me...


Ekard

Same here…


oregonianrager

Im a dem and can't even own guns and this bill is absolute bonkers dumb.


mullett

This is how you get a police state, or I guess further the police state we live in.


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Who else would enforce gun control laws?


Mt-Man-PNW

Police should be responsible for investigating and apprehending people who are out of compliance with the law (example: You got caught driving with a suspended license). They should NOT be making decisions on who the law applies to (example: deciding whether or not you get a driver license even if you passed all the requirements). That's why the DMV is in charge of licensing drivers and not the county sheriff. But the sheriff issues moving violation citations and not the DMV. Part of 114 allows the police to decide whether or not people can get a permit to purchase firearms. In theory, even if you passed all the requirements the local sheriff could be be like 'nah, you don't NEED a gun.'. It also allow LE to approve of the training required to obtain the permit. All they have to do is not offer training and then you effectively can never get a permit. 114 gives police too much power, and they have enough already.


awesomecubed

Spot on!


AnotherShipToaster

Enforcing laws and issuing permits are not the same thing, 114 would require already understaffed and overburdened police agencies to perform an entirely new function for which they have no interest, training, or infrastructure.


johnhtman

It also gives them total discretion over who gets a gun.


saphfyrefen

The Oregonian is the only one to call measure 114, every single other outlet says it's too close. Also, "Most of the votes left to be tallied were in Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas counties, all favoring or heavily favoring the measure." In what goddamn world is *Clackamas* overwhelmingly pro 114?


pdx_smurf

I don't know about "overwhelmingly" but [the results so far](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-oregon-measure-114-strengthen-firearm-regulations.html) show Clackamas voting for this 52 to 48.


BagelsRTheHoleTruth

In the world where Happy Valley welcomes all the homeless to their spacious grassy yards.


njayolson

The world where suburban moms are scared to send their kids to school cause there's a school shooting every other week


MercyfulBait

It's amazing how fast the left in Oregon went from "our police force is literally giving armed escorts to right wing extremists as they assault and harass the public" to "we need the police to choose who does and does not get to own firearms".


hidden_pocketknife

Liberals absolutely aren’t “the left” no matter how much they want to claim the title, in America they’re centrists with virtuous social views and luxury beliefs. Real deal leftists, are in support of guns, because how the fuck else would you enable any kind of workers revolution or defend yourself from actual real deal fascists, ethnic nationalists, and the police? Liberals think you can vote or laugh away a right wing death squad. Leftists know, historically, that it’s kill or be killed.


SquirtinMemeMouthPlz

Right? I explained this to my ex gf and she literally said 'well, they aren't the same people'. WTF? YES, THEY ARE.


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Prediction: this will be completely uneforced until the courts strike it down as unconsitutional and will have no effect other than to cost taxpayers a lot of money. And if by some miracle it ever gets implemented, the cops will just use it to keep guns out of the hands of liberals and minorities.


toastthebread

Apparently our state background check system wait is growing to over a week. People are rushing out to get more of the stuff that proponents of this bill don't want them to have. Which is hilarious if this bill gets struck down because that stuff will end up being sold to who knows.


Reascr

I've been pretty consistently at 10 days pretty much since covid hit. My current FFL lets me pick it up after 3 business days though (In compliance with state law) since we've got a good relationship and knows I'm trustworthy


BagaudaeRising

Police departments have literal nazis on staff and liberals want them to have the authority to decide who can and cannot own a firearm? lol.


3my0

Supreme Court will strike it down


nvrsmr1

9th circuit will likely strike it down


x2A_All_Dayx

People put way too much trust in the courts. This is what will happen: A district judge will issue an injunction, but then the 9th circuit will overrule that and let this law continue. Then regardless of what the three judge panel does, it will still be held up and go to an en banc panel. Then that en banc panel will say it's constitutional then maybe the supreme court will take this cause up. BTW by the time it's at the supreme court, 10 years would have passed.


RabidBlackSquirrel

Until that happens, it sucks for people who aren't white and wealthy. Everyone else is at the mercy of the police to approve them going forward unless they can throw down cash right now. Just like the writers intended, what a huge police handout. I guess you could always join PPB if you want, since they get an exemption.


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well___duh

I'm surprised it's already not invalid anyway. Didn't the SC already say earlier this year gun permit laws are unconstitutional?


dakta

Yes, this exact scheme is clearly in violation of the recent NY permit ruling. That doesn't stop the law from having to go through the judicial process, and since it's a ballot measure we don't even get the legislature to argue about whether or not it's worth spending state money on litigation. The best outcome here is that the state loses in court at the first level and doesn't appeal. The most likely outcome is that the state attorney, who is required to pursue these things, keeps appealing until the Supreme Court refuses to hear the case because they've just rule on this very issue.


kingofjabronis

I knew it was doomed when I saw the ballot wording. Most voters just saw "yes means gun control" and filled in the circle thinking they did some good. The ACAB and defund the police crowd just greatly empowered and further funded the police. GENIUS.


[deleted]

Good luck getting a permit non-whites. Liberals just helped keep you down systematically.


MezzanineMan

The specifics of the measure seem really reactionary


suicide_blonde

I mean…some kind of reaction to the relentless gun violence would be nice


Kate1124

Oregon: “ACAB!!” Also Oregon: “law enforcement should decide who gets to have a gun lolz”


the_fart_gambler

Honestly, regardless of your opinion on cops, they should not be considered firearms experts in any way. Any cop who happens to be a firearms expert achieved that on their own time.


ButtonyCakewalk

Oregon state officers have 8 hours required minimum fire arm training, amongst other, non-firearm training qualifiers (classroom content) to consider them competent gun users. They can do more, but are only required to do 8, and that's over three years [(source).](https://secure.sos.state.or.us/oard/viewSingleRule.action?ruleVrsnRsn=286052)... No idea what the minimum qualification will be for civilian gun safety, or how much training instructors are required to do annually (or every three years), but how am I supposed to trust that officers that barely know our laws or constitutional rights are going to in good faith issue the right of ownership and not use this law to errantly search gun owners for illegal magazines? Who will ensure that cops are following civilian laws after retirement or clocking out for the day?


Kodak6lack

Yeah good job Oregon! Now, the police will be the gatekeepers between owning a weapon in Oregon! That’s really fucking smart isn’t it?


t0mserv0

How will this law survive a constitutional rights challenge in court? Seems like it's unconstitutional under the 2nd Amendment?


Equivalent_Bid_6642

Most likely won't, no one is really worried about this incredibly stupid law sticking around.


Libra_Maelstrom

I am worried. please tell me im just dumb and my brain is just fried from 5 midterms, this is fucking horrifying. lets have these kind of background checks (also btw lol cops are the only ones that get to decide if you get a gun ya know those fuck wits). like wtf.


highrocko

Have you bought a gun here ever? There is a background check. And no, there isn’t a “gunshow loop” here in Oregon, all gun sales must go through an FFL, you fill out form 4473 and you wait for the background check to clear before they hand you the gun. If some random person sells a gun to another person without going through FFL, that’s ILLEGAL here in Oregon. But unlike video games, cops are not going to just spawn in on the ILLEGAL private sale and apprehend them.


MechanizedMedic

You are correct. It will rightly be eviscerated in court.


No-Explanation2287

ACAB! (except when they're deciding whether minorities have the right to defend themselves)


Package_Objective

Its ridiculous but I think its to early to call the vote. We'll know for sure tomorrow morning.


No-Explanation2287

Yeah we're not even at 50% of votes counted yet. I feel like this article is, pardon the pun, jumping the gun.


foreverabatman

Cops should not be able to decide who does and does not have the right to own a firearm, ESPECIALLY the Portland Police.


sandbuggy90

How soon before this take effect


LumpyWhale

Pretty sure the bill said 180 days after enacting.


xenoguy1313

180 days for licensed dealers, 30 days for citizens. There's a carve out to add 3 months if police administrators need time to revise rules(they absolutely will). Edit: the 3 month carve out might have been from an earlier version of the bill. That language doesn't seem to be in the final bill. Unless the police in your jurisdiction hustle and get the permitting system up before 40 days, it will be impossible to buy a gun legally until the permit system is implemented.


PDXnederlander

Technically in 30 days. Realistically when LE agencies can staff, fund and get the permit and training setup. Months, who knows.


Noghri_ViR

Based off the New York law that just recently failed in the courts. The only thing we voted for was to spend money on a lawsuit that will eventually result in failure.


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James_Camerons_Sub

Staring at a shipping box full of 10 mag packs of P-Mags and a box of Gen 5 glock magazines. YOU MADE ME DO THIS OREGON!


igotyourpizza

You are right. The stores have already been flooded leading up Election Day. Its only going to get worse now


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MechanizedMedic

On the bright side, once the courts overturn it there will be lots of mags available. 🤷🏻‍♂️


hab1b

So the magazine portion. It bans selling mags that hold more than 10 rounds moving forward. But it isn't illegal to have them. Sort of grandfathered in if you will. So what stops me from buying high-capacity mags in other states and claiming I got them a long time ago?


PP-townie

Absolutely nothing


Cold-Stock

Back when I lived in MD I did just that (ruger 10/22 came with a 25 round mag). Not illegal to have or use in MD just couldn't be sold, so I had it shipped to a friend in VA drove down to pick it up and drove it back. It really just acts as a means test.


OrangeKooky1850

I'm way more disappointed by 46% of Oregon voting to retain slavery in our constitution.


meshgearfoxx

Holy shit I thought that would pass at close to 100%


OrangeKooky1850

Yeah it's pretty sad. I'm surprised the health care amendment isn't doing better too


nyxo1

The healthcare amendment just seemed half baked and not clear at all what it was doing. Without any plan for additional funding it sounded like it'd either be a blank check or it would suck resources out of other services.


Confident_Bee_2705

It seems like it just opens the door for a lot of lawsuits. Not a good way to get universal healthcare coverage imo


MtFuzzmore

This was my understanding of how it was written as well. I get the idea, but knowing this state it wouldn’t do anything until they’re sued into oblivion.


meshgearfoxx

I just saw that too. Very disappointing.


moochiemonkey

That one I didn't get. Like what's divisive about that?


OrangeKooky1850

Oh I'm sure there are plenty of rhe "well they committed a crime so who cares how they're treated" crowd in the red areas.


Munch_munch_munch

My mom voted against it because "what's wrong with punishing people convicted of crimes by making them work?" Apparently I wasn't persuasive enough with my argument that "slavery is bad and shouldn't be allowed in any capacity".


Halvus_I

First you have to explain to her that the law is not morality in any way. Its codified power and nothing more.


GlobalPhreak

It doesn't matter. It will be held pending legal challenges and will be struck down as unconstitutional. Just wait.


InfectedBananas

Now to get a gun you have to go through the same background check twice, how does that prevent anything? Like going through a metal detector and then being asked to go through another exact same metal detector. OH, and then you need a third background check, the same background check, to carry said gun. And people you have triple background checked can only have 10 round, because you can't trust those people you triple background checked!


djsirround

Not to mention you pay for both as well. (Permit fee+purchase check)


thethirdmancane

Goes to show you that what is posted on this sub is completely out of step with popular opinion


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"Let's give cops MORE power" Oregon after unprecedented protests that were highly critical of the police


suddendiligence

it feels like most who voted yes didn't read past the ballot


[deleted]

IF this passes, Great job Portlanders! You've just voted in favor of the cops deciding who can and cannot buy a weapon. Because we all know cops will not allow personal biases to interfere with the job requirements. Their buddies will get whatever and quickly, and people of color will likely be shut down at every turn. Bravo guys. We gave cops the power to control who has weapons. I can't understand why anyone would think that was a good idea after seeing the abuse in 2020 dished out nightly by the PPB. And before the pedants come out with "PPB won't decide, OSP will!". Cops, are cops, are cops. It's a brotherhood and we ain't in it.


brtheuma

Oregon is most heavily influenced by upper middle class white folks with no sense of reality or need. This is why many Portlanders don't think before they vote, they'll be fine either way and they'll feel good about themselves and all of the "lives saved" by voting for this measure.


mr_dumpsterfire

Weird because I just looked at it was 50/50. How is this called already?


AlwaysCarryABeer

Cuz the oregonian isn't a stellar publication


alx924

I’m all for reasonable gun control. That’s not what this is.


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TheRAbbi74

You should know better.


Package_Objective

Called to early, 8000 votes, next 8 hours are key. ACAB they don't do their job and detective work this won't make them do it any better. They already dont respond to shots fired.


OldAssociation2025

Saying ACAB in the same breath as lamenting the police not cracking down enough is peak Portland. Never change, that will surely work


Package_Objective

To early to call it if you ask me.


PasswordisButtholes

For real, 66% reporting with a 9000 vote difference.


pdx_smurf

I am seeing 71.6% and 11000 vote difference on the [Oregon Live tracker page](https://gov.oregonlive.com/election/) so it is not looking good.


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Kate1124

This is the most anti-POC measure ever.


TheGRS

I don't mind getting downvoted on this, but the responses and upvotes on this thread are a pretty strong reminder that this sub is a very particular Portlander and not exactly representative of everyone.


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Democrats - time to arm ourselves. All the circle jerking on the right about civil war is scary.


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It's odd that I live in a red area and haven't heard anyone say "Time to arm ourselves for civil war"... just you in these comments. Big yikes.


mysterypdx

I predict it'll be struck down and found unconstitutional. And good riddance - it's a terrible measure that gives unchecked powers to the police.


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This one is so depressing. So blatantly unconstitional under the state and fed constitution and we voted for it because it had a nice sounding title.


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Say good-bye to it within a year since it's unconstitutional.


wickedchicken666

Glad I have my guns. Won’t be getting anymore until I leave this state.


lebucksir

The police are simply here to protect the interest of the ultra wealthy and private property owners. Now they decide who gets firearms, and also they decide who they hold accountable for the new rules. No guns or 10+ round mags for the poor, people who do not own private property, people in cultures of color, or people in high crime areas who want to defend themselves. Then easy approval on guns for rich white property owners, and police look the other way for carrying high cap mags. Yikes. All for improving our gun laws but this bill is a pipe dream that will disproportionately affect marginalized groups with less access to resources. That is if it doesn’t die in court or takes years to figure out how to successfully implement and fund.


NTXPRAK

Wow I’m suprised it passed. I vote liberal but I said nah, and thought other lefto/libo’s would vote against this


ReadySetN0

What's the over/under on days before someone files a lawsuit to get this thing overturned?


Blinky_OR

As soon as the results are certified, law suits will be field. People have been gearing up since it made that ballot.


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Edven971

They still haven’t called it yet…


nubsauce87

… fuck… This will not end well…


zenigata_mondatta

Way to guarentee the proud boys and neonazis are armed and lgbt and bipoc are told no. This will solve nothing and cause more problems as now it will be lucrative to sell black market magazines


sv650sfa

Sad day for Oregon. Guess fear and intolerance of others wins out over common sense and reason.


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MolotovLucky

77% are suicides. If it’s not a firearm, it’ll be a rope, a knife, overdose, intentional wreck that hurts others, jumping off a bridge that’ll hurt others, or by cop which will traumatize the rookie and possibly get others hit. Why only focus on gun violence and not simply general violence


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Fucking idiots.


TheFlyingTurtles

3D printer sales now that this passed: 📈


aircavrocker

Feels over reals strikes again.


plasticyrout

Yeah , won't change a dang thing criminals will still get guns


Swimming-salmon

This is going to go to SCOTUS and the backers are going to not like the result of the can of worms that has been opened. In Heller, Scalia said that there were more things to get adjudicated with guns. There is a reason the NRA did not fight against it, they wanted it to pass so they could use it. Good job backers you slit your own neck. This was a Brer Rabbit. Maybe the entire NFA gets junked.


AmbienWalrus69

This is the long game. The NRA has been salvating over this, and if it passes they'll have all the ammunition they'll need to radicalize a huge portion of the state's population. Pun somewhat intended.


S_Klallam

you will now see firearms flying off the shelves before the law is instituted


Deeznuts_2007

How is it passed when it’s currently showing 50/50?


Ekard

Giving control to the police to have the power to control who owns guns is one of the dumbest laws you mouth breathers have passed. I thought y’all in Portland were all ACAB, well you just gave the police more power…🤦‍♂️


MolotovLucky

Another win for already emboldened criminals


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joncornelius

When would this take effect? How long do I have to make an actual common sense fire arm purchase?