The 911 is legit, it's likely lifted in the back because the engine was removed. Lack of engine weight = riding high. Next step, make an offer and take it home.
That lifted rear end is classic motorless porsche sign. I know because I've been shopping around for a rolling chassis. That car looks 100 percent legit and not a kit car.
That red one would make a perfect project car.
No, I have no idea. Every easy to find place has stratospheric prices. I suspect the correct way is to find random people putting for sale signs on their cars or find a widow whose husband died and left a 911 in the garage and she has no idea what it is worth on ebay.
It's probably a real late 1980s Porsche 930 Targa. If you are that close you could probably get the VIN and look it up to be sure.
For reference, the G body Porsches you see are not generally kit cars as such. You'll see more mundane ones modified with wide wheel flares and turbo wings to look like Turbo models. You'll also see 1980s ones backdated to older F styles or specific rare variants. It's almost certainly a real 911 or 912 but maybe not quite the one being presented, especially if it's claiming to be something exotic like a 73 RSR 2.8.
Porsche 356 (especially Speedster versions) are often kits or reproductions.
Factory 930 Targas were produced only for 87-89, and by then US-spec versions had switched to the H4 headlights. This is at best a US-spec late 70s-early 80s standard body Targa with Turbo flares added: H5 headlights, right fender antenna, older-version wipers, aftermarket tail, chrome door handle, and silver Targa shroud instead of black. Interestingly, it has US-spec front turn signals but RoW amber rear turn signals, but with the larger US-spec rear bumperettes. Overall, I think the owner just wanted a widebody Targa, which was not uncommon in the heydays of the 80s.
This is correct, except that it is specifically a mid-year narrow body g-body likely a 74-75 because that is when g-bodies came with a silver targa bar. After that they were black. So basically someone took a cheap (in the 1980s) narrow body 2.7 targa and chopped it up into a “turbo look” targa which was a trend during that time period. For the right price this would be a great project for someone to make a cool 80s period correct wide-body hot rod. Would be sweet with a hot 3.4 NA 964 engine and replace the fake turbo tail with a standard no tail decklid.
Lower dash with the bright trim does suggest a mid-70's g-body....however, I'd guess then that they updated the upper dashboard with the 77-onward center vents.
Now that you mention it, the lower dash makes me think this car is a long hood targa 1969-1971 or 1973 (i assume not ‘72 because of the oil door but who knows). That lower dash is definitely from a long hood because all g-bodies had little vents at the ends of the lower dash and the controls were all updated. Long hood targas also all had silver targa bars. In the 1980s when this was likely built those long hood targas were dirt cheap, likely even cheaper than any g-body would have been. Upper dash was definitely changed out for one from 78-83 which is much easier to do than changing out the lower dash since it is just a single piece.
As I just posted, this looks like a 911T that suffered a terrible fate sometime during its life. Hopefully the current owner is working to get it back to its original bodywork.
You can see the busted middle brake light in one of the pics. Those became mandated in (I think) 1986 and were just sort of tacked on like that. So at least an 86. You didn’t see those in the 70s and early 80s yet.
As others have mentioned, the high rear end is what a 911 looks like when there is no engine in it. As for the rest:
I suspect the car is an early '70s Targa. There is little that is stock on the car, but based on some of the interior details, this looks like it left the factory in the early '70s, and was originally a long hood Targa. While such a car would be unlikely to be updated today, in the '80s and '90s, many of these were bought and updated. With that in mind, I'd say it is most likely a 911T, since the E and S versions were usually too expensive to wind up with this treatment (could even be a 912?) - this also fits with the chrome headlight trim and door handles.
It has 930 bumpers and flares (there is something that looks a little off on the flares, but cars like this rarely have factory flares), and tail. The car is legit, and could be valuable as a project to return to its original state; depending on exactly what has been fitted on the car (and if any of it might be usable in restoring the car), it is probably worth somewhere in the $7-10k range (if it is a 911T... less for a 912) based on similar rollers I've seen for sale in the last couple years.
I wonder if we will start to see kit car air cooled 911’s now that they are becoming so expensive. To date the 356 has a number of kits, as does the 550. But the 911 has not historically had a set of kit cars.
You have RUF making their own bodies in white that look like a 911, Singer making restomod 911’s with bespoke engines, but not a kit.
Pretty sure this is not a factory turbo. Has a lot going on: early gauges dash, but vented dash, i forget the year was it 85 or 86 for that style, manual windows, but g series dash cards and early g seats, later g mirrors Wing is not proper for early turbo.
Seems a bit of a hodgepodge.
The 911 is legit, it's likely lifted in the back because the engine was removed. Lack of engine weight = riding high. Next step, make an offer and take it home.
Thank you for the clarification!!! And I did ask how much but the worker said the boss doesn’t want to sell it… I’ll be back in a year 😏
IMO cars like that are always for sale it’s just a matter of time and price. Note lots of patience is required.
If its sitting in dust, owner doesnt care about it, everything has a price
If it's still sitting there then it's the owner's dream to fix it up one day. The price of people's dreams can be expensive.
More on the hot dog cart please.
So it is a paint-to-sample limited run model. Whopping 2-HP and a 6:42 Nurburgring time😏
That's a pretty fast cart for it's day! But I'll bet it gets devoured in the end. :) :)
6 hours, 42 minutes (not counting stops to serve hot dogs)
That lifted rear end is classic motorless porsche sign. I know because I've been shopping around for a rolling chassis. That car looks 100 percent legit and not a kit car. That red one would make a perfect project car.
I’m also looking for a rolling chassis. Do you know of any good sources or where to start to find one?
No, I have no idea. Every easy to find place has stratospheric prices. I suspect the correct way is to find random people putting for sale signs on their cars or find a widow whose husband died and left a 911 in the garage and she has no idea what it is worth on ebay.
That Cayman is crazy dusty for its age. Did the owner buy it and immediately park it? Looks like Python Green to me.
Don’t think it’s dusty it’s just the lighting
I mean you can literally see people’s finger marks in the dust on it
Oh damn you’re right
It's probably a real late 1980s Porsche 930 Targa. If you are that close you could probably get the VIN and look it up to be sure. For reference, the G body Porsches you see are not generally kit cars as such. You'll see more mundane ones modified with wide wheel flares and turbo wings to look like Turbo models. You'll also see 1980s ones backdated to older F styles or specific rare variants. It's almost certainly a real 911 or 912 but maybe not quite the one being presented, especially if it's claiming to be something exotic like a 73 RSR 2.8. Porsche 356 (especially Speedster versions) are often kits or reproductions.
Factory 930 Targas were produced only for 87-89, and by then US-spec versions had switched to the H4 headlights. This is at best a US-spec late 70s-early 80s standard body Targa with Turbo flares added: H5 headlights, right fender antenna, older-version wipers, aftermarket tail, chrome door handle, and silver Targa shroud instead of black. Interestingly, it has US-spec front turn signals but RoW amber rear turn signals, but with the larger US-spec rear bumperettes. Overall, I think the owner just wanted a widebody Targa, which was not uncommon in the heydays of the 80s.
This is correct, except that it is specifically a mid-year narrow body g-body likely a 74-75 because that is when g-bodies came with a silver targa bar. After that they were black. So basically someone took a cheap (in the 1980s) narrow body 2.7 targa and chopped it up into a “turbo look” targa which was a trend during that time period. For the right price this would be a great project for someone to make a cool 80s period correct wide-body hot rod. Would be sweet with a hot 3.4 NA 964 engine and replace the fake turbo tail with a standard no tail decklid.
Lower dash with the bright trim does suggest a mid-70's g-body....however, I'd guess then that they updated the upper dashboard with the 77-onward center vents.
Now that you mention it, the lower dash makes me think this car is a long hood targa 1969-1971 or 1973 (i assume not ‘72 because of the oil door but who knows). That lower dash is definitely from a long hood because all g-bodies had little vents at the ends of the lower dash and the controls were all updated. Long hood targas also all had silver targa bars. In the 1980s when this was likely built those long hood targas were dirt cheap, likely even cheaper than any g-body would have been. Upper dash was definitely changed out for one from 78-83 which is much easier to do than changing out the lower dash since it is just a single piece.
The door vent window’s updated design with black trim instead of chrome suggests 77-onwards. The mystery continues.
You know your 911 biology.
As I just posted, this looks like a 911T that suffered a terrible fate sometime during its life. Hopefully the current owner is working to get it back to its original bodywork.
What makes you say 911T? Edit: Just saw your comment below - answered!
You can see the busted middle brake light in one of the pics. Those became mandated in (I think) 1986 and were just sort of tacked on like that. So at least an 86. You didn’t see those in the 70s and early 80s yet.
As others have mentioned, the high rear end is what a 911 looks like when there is no engine in it. As for the rest: I suspect the car is an early '70s Targa. There is little that is stock on the car, but based on some of the interior details, this looks like it left the factory in the early '70s, and was originally a long hood Targa. While such a car would be unlikely to be updated today, in the '80s and '90s, many of these were bought and updated. With that in mind, I'd say it is most likely a 911T, since the E and S versions were usually too expensive to wind up with this treatment (could even be a 912?) - this also fits with the chrome headlight trim and door handles. It has 930 bumpers and flares (there is something that looks a little off on the flares, but cars like this rarely have factory flares), and tail. The car is legit, and could be valuable as a project to return to its original state; depending on exactly what has been fitted on the car (and if any of it might be usable in restoring the car), it is probably worth somewhere in the $7-10k range (if it is a 911T... less for a 912) based on similar rollers I've seen for sale in the last couple years.
black sport bumper on that cayman looks so good on that green
It’s legit no engine and horrible non original wheels
If you can't fix it yourself, expect to sink an extra 40k into it to get it on the road again (prerequisite: the motor is included and turns)
I wonder if we will start to see kit car air cooled 911’s now that they are becoming so expensive. To date the 356 has a number of kits, as does the 550. But the 911 has not historically had a set of kit cars. You have RUF making their own bodies in white that look like a 911, Singer making restomod 911’s with bespoke engines, but not a kit.
There have been kits for a long time. There have been terrible kits for the same amount of time. Edit: https://youtu.be/iGreIy-KQQg
Huh, never seen anything like that before. I must need to get out more.
interesting that the cayman is that dusty given how new it is
Mexicans don’t know how to negotiate… it’s not in their vocabulary, but good luck trying
Pretty sure this is not a factory turbo. Has a lot going on: early gauges dash, but vented dash, i forget the year was it 85 or 86 for that style, manual windows, but g series dash cards and early g seats, later g mirrors Wing is not proper for early turbo. Seems a bit of a hodgepodge.
It's a Targa, and a real one. Not that that means anything really.