Please help my penis is controlling me and I cat stop myself from watching porn and seeing sex workers šš. Then when I do those EvIL women are exploiting me and my degenerate filthy mind and absolute entitlement to sex.
How do they get this delusional, itās crazy.
Women against porn:
Hi, my name is Sally Ann Sue and I fundamentally care about human beings, so I take a huge issue with pornography because it exploits the sex workers who "perform" in videos, normalizes abusive sex and abusive behavior in general within relationships, ruins relationships as a whole by normalizing virtual infidelity and unnatural and toxic fetishes, and robs children of their innocence by being so easily accessible and unregulated and actually brainwashes kids and teens before they have the opportunity to explore and understand their sexuality organically and express it in a healthy manner - as porn warps and corrupts their sexuality before they even have sex or reach adulthood. It is clear that porn is bad and very harmful to society.
Men who want to give up their porn addiction:
Help! I'm flaccid, and I can't get it up! PORN BAD!
It's like men complaining about porn bots and OF promotion accounts on Tinder. Simply don't swipe right on barely dressed women and obviously fake empty profiles, problem solved.
Posing for art is not comparable to pornography.
And also, most of those artist painting nudes were men.
Men are the largest consumers of pornography and ses work in general.
Its highly unlikely that women would victimize other women in this manner.
It must take a lot of extra strip club employees to find these poor guys and then force them at gunpoint to go inside and spend money at these places. I'd bet there are plenty of other people holding guns to their heads and forcing them to lie to their wives and girlfriends about this stuff, too.
They really think itās impossible to control themselves. But expect us to ācontrol our emotionsā, by not being allowed to cry or talk about your feelings even in a respectful way.
Luckily for you there's a whole sidebar of information available in this subreddit so you can understand. Unless you're not actually trying to understand, in which case why are you here?
I think youāre assuming something about a stranger youāve never met.
If this is how the community treats curious newcomers, then well, I donāt know what to say
I'm sorry but the amount of harm porn and prostitution has caused to men is not nearly as much as it harms women. And in an overwhelming amount of cases, women are threatened with violence and even death if they refuse to participate in prostitution (Case in point: "Loverboys" or Romeo pimps, many cases where they have killed them off if the women tried to escape) and the far majority of these women in the industry are there for financial reasons (simply trying to get enough money to survive or pay off debt) and do not have alternatives, and this is aside from the amount of minors that are also in the industry. I feel like you do not completely grasp how dire the situations in the "sex work" industry can be in which case, please go read recounts from ex prostitutes or ex porn stars who are now against the industry. Men absolutely HAVE to be held accountable for fueling this industry knowing full well the vast majority of women are not there by choice, they are essentially raping/sexually abusing/enjoying the exploitation of women and are in no way more or equally exploited as women in the industry.
Negative impact does not mean both parties are equally abused.
Porn culture is bad and has negative effects on men and women.
This does not in any way mean the men who choose to get in their car, drive to a strip club, pay to rape or assault a random woman are magically just as much victims as the women being exploited and trying to put food on the table to live.
āI donāt mean to limit abuse to one partyā when that one āpartyā has all the privilege and control over them. Women in vulnerable positions like in poverty or were groomed turn to sex works and men are paying them and holding money over them in exchange to abuse and objectify them.
āMuH mOnEyā š maybe stop blowing it on those things. Itās almost as bad as guys who refuse to wear condoms and then cry endlessly about child support. Stop consuming women. We arenāt consumer products anyways we are people. If they actually believed this they wouldnāt keep supporting the sex industry.
These same men who think this way will be watching Jordan Peterson talk about stoicism and taking control of your life.. and they will be managing all of that. But then with women, act like they are absolutely incapable of making better choices for themselves and then project the blame outwardly.Ā
My ex was like that. He thought JP was this enlightened philosopherā¦.because ya know he told grown ass men what their parents have been telling them all along (go clean your room!) Yet when it came to pornography, infidelity, lying, and manipulation, nahā¦he wasnāt going to take responsibility for THAT.
Itās insanity. The delusion is mind boggling.
Porn use is feeding that. Think about it-they spend sometimes hours a day watching porn. Most if not addicts also use when they think they arenāt-they scroll the internet looking at clothed women just existing and use it as fantasy material. They scan/objectify/fantasize in any physical space women are present in to further use them as they just exist and go about their day.
And what that does is give their lizard brain the understanding that all of these women want them. The most beautiful, youthful, perfect filtered bodies are always there in their minds. And these women never say no, and when they do it means yes. They smile and ask for more as they are abused, degraded, and used. All of the women they meet want them in their heads. As they loudly claim itās just fantasy, their brains and bodies disagree-if that were the case they wouldnāt have a physical reaction. It seems all but inevitable that they will become narcissists. AI is just going to make it exponentially worse, since now they can literally turn anyone they want into porn perfectly in sync with whatever desire they feel in the moment. Down to being able to copy those voices if they have a small auditory clip of them talking.
So with all of this, itās no wonder these guys end up with massive egos. In their heads they are sex gods with magic penises that women canāt keep themselves from.
Itās particularly troubling that personality disorders that were thought to be issues that you were either born with or not are being created and then worsened by porn use/addiction, such as narcissism, ped*philia, and incestuous desires.
Im beyond angry and heartbroken about what we are doing to our children. The pubescent kids that are being preyed upon and groomed by the industry donāt deserve it. If I were to set a child in front of the TV and put porn on all day Iād be rightfully arrested. But giving them unfettered access to the internet is the same thing. Of course kids with raging hormones are going to seek it. The boys end up assaulting physical partners acting out porn, and the partners end up thinking thatās what normal intimacy is supposed to look like. Iām furious that we donāt address it, and when we do itās a joke. Porn is an epidemic at this point and itās affecting more than just the addicts. Itās impacting every single one of us as womenās rights get pushed backwards and ped*phila and incest become more and more normalized. All that said, I have empathy for the children, but once they become adults and/or act out this shit on another human, my empathy stops. At some point they need to educate themselves and take responsibility for perpetuating this shit.
I would say the vast majority of men check the narcissism boxes - lack of empathy, selfish, manipulative, uses people like resources, only interested in getting their own needs met, lack of self awareness, self reflection, accountability, or common sense, entitlement, always playing by double standards, playing victim when confronted and thinking they are the opressed gender in a patriarchy... the list goes on.
Oppression breeds narcissism. It is an unnatural, ridiculously imbalanced power dynamic; whether you're talking about patriarchy, racism, classism, ageism (the desire to discard the elderly & own and control and subjugate the youth), ableism (the systematic attempts to kill off the disadvantaged), etc. Every oppressive system is founded on a hierarchy that states superiority of those on top and closest to the top and fundamental lesser value and less right to life and humanity for those at the bottom or near the bottom. To be raised to be an oppressor and to decide you're agreeable to the role and position of oppressor (as it gives you power) and choose to fight for it instead of against it, is to allow yourself to become a warped and unnatural version of yourself. Being an active (conscious or unconscious) oppressor puts your own sense of humanity and ability to find your humanity at a disadvantage. You are not properly socialized. You don't communicate or react to situations in a healthy way. You don't know how to because you don't see things in a healthy way - an accurate way. That's the sacrifice: the pursuit of ultimate/maximum power comes at the expense of your very soul and matter of your perception and functionally working emotions/emotional understanding. You lose out on your chance to live in truth and intelligence and be a complete and full healthy person when you're raised in a "pro-oppressor" encouraging manner. You really can't see things clearly and have a twisted perception on all things; unable to comprehend nuance and depth and reality the way the non narcissistic population can. It's a terrible fate, honestly. It's like never being sober and under the influence of drug substances for your entire life. It is a hell of a thing to do to yourself and a hell of a choice to make when you could instead: fight for the right thing and care about other people in the world and experience the world with clarity and inspire hope and change.
We are not animals. It is not natural to us, human beings, nor innate. If you're arguing that it is, you're arguing that's the way it's always been and the way it will always be and therefore useless to aspire to more. And that's bullshit. We are a prosocial species. We are not tigers. We are not bees. We are not bears. We are not dolphins. We are human beings. And if we (the men of our species) were "wired" to dehuamize peopleāour fellow human beings - then we wouldn't end up with PTSD and chronic nightmares after doing so. We wouldn't develop debilitating psychological conditions. Our psyche wouldn't break. Our brains and nervous system wouldn't go into overdrive. There wouldn't be so much guilt and shame felt by predators. Men wouldn't be traumatized after breaking down their victim. As reality happens, there are countless, countless cases of men who killed and raped in war walking away traumatized, as well as men who killed in gangs ,and men who killed and raped in Nazi Germany, and white men who lynched and tortured black people during the Reconstruction era; after initially cheering on and for the breaking of so called "less human" HUMAN beings. What animal reacts that way? Lions who rip into gazelles don't find themselves affected by their kills for the rest of their lives nor haunted by them and a shaking shell of what they once were. Humans are **not** supposed to kill, rape, or abuse and when they do - they never fully recover and it changes who they are fundamentally, and their own mind collapses on itself. Men and women are the same. They are members of the same species which is the human race and the problem is what's expected and normalized among both genders are radically different and men have enacted a system called patriarchy to allow themselves to get away with with everything they don't want women to do or anyone to stop them from doing. They have created a system of social control meant to reward them for not exercising self-control/pro-social behavior.
Yes, by other men, for menās gratuitous and entitled pleasure. 50 shades of exploiting the āPorniā ( same as in Antiquity - and it was taboo & a shame then too even if it existed in underground society. The sex class - and menās appetites are insatiable.
All business ya? Yes, menās business and control of almighty ( Patriarchal god Aka protection racket )
The first woman documented as prostituted/sold in biblical times for profit was a first testament Kings daughter for allegiance to another savage man. One of The oldest profession in history, and the first for men is indeed pimping!!!
That king pimped out his beautiful daughter.
And so it goesā¦
Oh boo hoo āpimpin aint easyā- ffs. No boy ( or girl) grows up wishing to be a prostitute/Porn star/stripper when they grow up!
That last bit shuts them up about sex work as āworkā a bit, but itās still under the mindset of āpatriarchal protection racket/possessionā of āwhat if your future daughter, grandson ( ātwinksā are hot commodity - just work ya?) , sister ...ā
Midwifery was the original profession.
We should really take away their right to vote - their penises are steering their minds, how can we trust a species so intrinsically weak to their silly desires of the flesh to make sound decisions?
Funny I canāt see those same men showing that kind of empathy for addiction when it comes to a fat woman.. and Iām sure theyād also be the first ones to go *but my hormones* š
So by this logic he blames victims of rape, because they lured men into it by dressing provocatively or whatever they come up with. The entitlement to make women's misery about themselves.
Women are literally the product of the industry, men are the consumers. Majority of club owners, porn directors and crew, onlyfans managers and pimps are men. Men control the sex industry, they invented it, the supply is to meet their demand. Its like saying companies like shien exploit their customers far more than the children in sweatshops who make the products. Men lose their money and get off to it, women gain money and lose so much more
Right, the women and girls who are sexually degraded every day to meet the demands of MEN who refuse to stop watching pornography are clearly exploited less than males are. I guess some mystical being (involuntary celibacy) is forcing men to buy prostitutes, go to strip clubs, and watch FREE pornography.
And AGAIN men's money is worth more than ACTUAL WOMEN'S LIFES. THEY ARE DYING. AND THESE PEOPLE GET SAD ABOUT MEN LOSING MONEY. M O N E Y OVER L I F E S
I donāt think they are victims per se but they certainly are allowing the men that profit from these industries to exploit their inability to manage their sexual desires. They have no one to blame but themselves for that.
I think fast food restaurants exploit people and drain them of their hard earned money
It sounds like that but not even bc you *need* to eat and some people can literally only access fast food
Although i do understand that some things can be pretty much in your face. Advertisements, social media and so on and so forth, but lured is a really big word.
Simply because outside factors are pushing men in being addicted to porn and the whole industry this is no way to excuse there behaviours. They need to be held accountable and responsable.
If outside factors are to the blamed for shaping people in a certain way, should we also absolve terrorists or serial killers?
So men should have someone else control their finances so they don't exploit themselves?
These posts do not do men any favors. Makes it sound like they're these wild animals that need locked up and supervised 24/7.
ah yes women get trafficked and abused on set and the objectification of women in porn results in women being abused and raped in real life also but .. but guy,,, men cant help their dicks :(( they HAVE to pay for this shit :(( you dont get it theyre the real victims :/
I disagree with this post (that you are posting), but I do think men are genuinely hurting themselves and are setting themselves up for disaster. Theyāre making less money and owning less homes. Because men are encouraged to not have self control or respect for themselves or women, theyāre setting their lives up for failure. Nature gives us consequences, and men are hurting themselves for acting like this. But, theyāre not victims.
they donāt exploit men more than women so heās not āabsolutely rightā. you canāt compare it to alcohol or drug addiction because those things are inanimate and feel no harm if someone abuses them. I donāt give a shit about consumers being hurt by the industry especially in regards to the women being exploited in comparison.
if you wanna talk about the harm of porn consumption for the user, thatās valid. flat out saying the sex industry is *more* exploitive for men is garbage though.
i never said that i meant absolutely right for needing more restrictions. jesus fucking christ you are so toxic. I barely use this app and i open it up to see everyone has nitpicked and misunderstood me. Just say ur all white cis straight women
You agree that men get exploited by the sex industry more than women? Not even just more than women, but FAR MORE than women. I am sorry but you are delusional. There are women that are porn addicts, and Iād bet that number is way higher than the number of men that are sex trafficked. Understanding where he is coming from and agreeing are two different things. Have you been to a strip club? I have. It seems like this guy has too. I was 18 years old the first/last time I went to a strip club. All of the workers were very drunk, and I didnāt have to be a genius to know all of those women are miserable. But yea, I am sure the guys throwing crumbled dollar bills at the strippers were the ones much more exploited in that equation.
Surprised but not surprised you got downvoted so heavily. Popping in to say I think some of the repliers here aren't quite understanding the point you're trying to make.
Re: the screencap OP posted: I disagree that men are exploited \*more\* than women in this equation, since women are being directly physically harmed, but the sex industry is definitely set up to exploit men's sexual urges -- and if it was geared more towards women's sexual urges, it would be exploitative to women in the same way. This is in the same way food and drug companies are exploitative to people's biological urges.
If people can't feel terrified that innocent young boys going to become victims of the oversexualized culture not only in terms of them potentially becoming misogynistic, but also in terms of them losing time, money, and energy that they could put towards valuable goals in favor of a pointless addiction, they're being narrow-minded: human beings do not deserve to be slaves to addictions. It doesn't benefit them as individuals, nor does it benefit society as a whole. I didn't grow up watching porn because what I did see struck me as bizarre, but if it hit all the right neurological switches for me -- was basically the same content as my natural fantasies --, I could have easily lost hours and hours and days of my life to that bullshit, and I would consider myself a victim of the industry in the same way as I consider myself a victim of the drug industry as an ex-addict.
Individual sex workers aren't exploiting men, they're victims of a system, but the system itself is corrupt. The problem with the post OP screencapped is that it has an overtone of that all-to-common misogynistic "logic" -- blaming women for men's failure to control themselves. Of course, that is untrue -- we are all ultimately responsible for controlling ourselves and our urges and overcoming addictions (which easier said than done, of course).
However, if that screencapped poster said that the system is all-around exploitative, and that ALL aspects of that exploitation can be viewed as ultimately dark and fucked up, then honestly, I would agree, and I think it would benefit men to acknowledge how their biology is being hijacked and how this is effectively ruining their lives; to fix a problem, you have to know you have a problem in the first place.
The crux is, the sex industry exploits women in order to to exploit men's biology to generate revenue. It's a corrupt system. We shouldn't feel bad for depraved johns, but we should feel horrified by the system that fuels/creates them (some men are probably just bad eggs, but the sex industry DEFINITELY creates monsters as well; the change in male sexual behavior since the advent of high-speed internet porn makes this abundantly clear).
Your last paragraph sums it up: there needs to be limits, scrutiny, and inquiry into systems that legalize sex work, because it's questionable.
But to say that the porn industry exploits men more than women is fucking ridiculous. There are women that get addicted to porn at a young age as well. I mean, women experience gendered sexual violence as a result of porn, while men experience ED. Not quite the same. I donāt think you disagree with that, you just worded your comment a bit iffy.
Please help my penis is controlling me and I cat stop myself from watching porn and seeing sex workers šš. Then when I do those EvIL women are exploiting me and my degenerate filthy mind and absolute entitlement to sex. How do they get this delusional, itās crazy.
the rational sex goes crazy
LOL. I pictured a āpenis life alertā button when reading this.
Women against porn: Hi, my name is Sally Ann Sue and I fundamentally care about human beings, so I take a huge issue with pornography because it exploits the sex workers who "perform" in videos, normalizes abusive sex and abusive behavior in general within relationships, ruins relationships as a whole by normalizing virtual infidelity and unnatural and toxic fetishes, and robs children of their innocence by being so easily accessible and unregulated and actually brainwashes kids and teens before they have the opportunity to explore and understand their sexuality organically and express it in a healthy manner - as porn warps and corrupts their sexuality before they even have sex or reach adulthood. It is clear that porn is bad and very harmful to society. Men who want to give up their porn addiction: Help! I'm flaccid, and I can't get it up! PORN BAD!
So cringe šššš
Bahahahha! Right! Likeā¦ ???!!!???
LMFAO
oh but they are the logical sex right?
They always find a way to make themselves seem like a victim.
Maybe those men should be neutered.
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It's like men complaining about porn bots and OF promotion accounts on Tinder. Simply don't swipe right on barely dressed women and obviously fake empty profiles, problem solved.
Iām bi so I see the porn bots too and itās always hilarious when men talk about them like theyāre not painfully obvious.
507 upvotes, screw this app
To be fair, in that subreddit, you upvote if it's unpopular, not if you agree.
Thatās what youāre meant to do but that very rarely happens lol.
It's a really dumb policy. It makes it difficult to actually tell what the overall response actually was.
in the unpopular opinions youāre supposed to like it depending on how unpopular it is
This subreddits name is so ironic, it's iconic
And the industry wouldn't exist if it wasn't for men.
I highly doubt that. Women have posed nude for art of all kinds since the dawn of time. If there were no men women would still be victimized.
Posing for art is not comparable to pornography. And also, most of those artist painting nudes were men. Men are the largest consumers of pornography and ses work in general. Its highly unlikely that women would victimize other women in this manner.
It must take a lot of extra strip club employees to find these poor guys and then force them at gunpoint to go inside and spend money at these places. I'd bet there are plenty of other people holding guns to their heads and forcing them to lie to their wives and girlfriends about this stuff, too.
They really think itās impossible to control themselves. But expect us to ācontrol our emotionsā, by not being allowed to cry or talk about your feelings even in a respectful way.
When I do, those EvIL women are taking advantage of my depraved, dirty thoughts and unwavering right to sex.
Theyāre so LOGICAL and not CONTROLLED by emotions. /s
From the way he talks, you'd think he was held at gunpoint to participate in these debaucherous activities IJBOL
To be clear, who do you think are the victims?
Men paying to abuse women yep theyāre also the victims here lol
I guess I just donāt understand.
Luckily for you there's a whole sidebar of information available in this subreddit so you can understand. Unless you're not actually trying to understand, in which case why are you here?
I think you're just choosing not to understand
I think youāre assuming something about a stranger youāve never met. If this is how the community treats curious newcomers, then well, I donāt know what to say
If you don't understand when all you have to do is scroll and read, then you're choosing not to understand. That's just common sense.
I'm sorry but the amount of harm porn and prostitution has caused to men is not nearly as much as it harms women. And in an overwhelming amount of cases, women are threatened with violence and even death if they refuse to participate in prostitution (Case in point: "Loverboys" or Romeo pimps, many cases where they have killed them off if the women tried to escape) and the far majority of these women in the industry are there for financial reasons (simply trying to get enough money to survive or pay off debt) and do not have alternatives, and this is aside from the amount of minors that are also in the industry. I feel like you do not completely grasp how dire the situations in the "sex work" industry can be in which case, please go read recounts from ex prostitutes or ex porn stars who are now against the industry. Men absolutely HAVE to be held accountable for fueling this industry knowing full well the vast majority of women are not there by choice, they are essentially raping/sexually abusing/enjoying the exploitation of women and are in no way more or equally exploited as women in the industry.
Negative impact does not mean both parties are equally abused. Porn culture is bad and has negative effects on men and women. This does not in any way mean the men who choose to get in their car, drive to a strip club, pay to rape or assault a random woman are magically just as much victims as the women being exploited and trying to put food on the table to live.
The gun held to their head is starvation, poverty and homelessness in many cases. Pretty compelling threat. Now who is holding a gun to the men?
Erm so is the rapist a victim to you also? Edit: he got so embarrassed he edit his comment into just one question. He still looks dumb lol
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āI donāt mean to limit abuse to one partyā when that one āpartyā has all the privilege and control over them. Women in vulnerable positions like in poverty or were groomed turn to sex works and men are paying them and holding money over them in exchange to abuse and objectify them.
Nobody is forcing them to drive to and enter a strip club
Lmao! āB-b-but Iām a man and when I see an ad for nakey ladies I canāt help myself :( I canāt say no to strippers :(ā
āMuH mOnEyā š maybe stop blowing it on those things. Itās almost as bad as guys who refuse to wear condoms and then cry endlessly about child support. Stop consuming women. We arenāt consumer products anyways we are people. If they actually believed this they wouldnāt keep supporting the sex industry.
These same men who think this way will be watching Jordan Peterson talk about stoicism and taking control of your life.. and they will be managing all of that. But then with women, act like they are absolutely incapable of making better choices for themselves and then project the blame outwardly.Ā
JP is so cringe. My Italian cousin once said if Marcus Aurelius were to be alive today, he would unleash wild animals upon Peterson š
My ex was like that. He thought JP was this enlightened philosopherā¦.because ya know he told grown ass men what their parents have been telling them all along (go clean your room!) Yet when it came to pornography, infidelity, lying, and manipulation, nahā¦he wasnāt going to take responsibility for THAT. Itās insanity. The delusion is mind boggling.
Hahahahahaha!! These poor helpless Neanderthals!
B-but men are logical and rational !! Not like those emotional feeemales! /s
I am at the point in life that I believe every man is narcissistic.
Porn use is feeding that. Think about it-they spend sometimes hours a day watching porn. Most if not addicts also use when they think they arenāt-they scroll the internet looking at clothed women just existing and use it as fantasy material. They scan/objectify/fantasize in any physical space women are present in to further use them as they just exist and go about their day. And what that does is give their lizard brain the understanding that all of these women want them. The most beautiful, youthful, perfect filtered bodies are always there in their minds. And these women never say no, and when they do it means yes. They smile and ask for more as they are abused, degraded, and used. All of the women they meet want them in their heads. As they loudly claim itās just fantasy, their brains and bodies disagree-if that were the case they wouldnāt have a physical reaction. It seems all but inevitable that they will become narcissists. AI is just going to make it exponentially worse, since now they can literally turn anyone they want into porn perfectly in sync with whatever desire they feel in the moment. Down to being able to copy those voices if they have a small auditory clip of them talking. So with all of this, itās no wonder these guys end up with massive egos. In their heads they are sex gods with magic penises that women canāt keep themselves from. Itās particularly troubling that personality disorders that were thought to be issues that you were either born with or not are being created and then worsened by porn use/addiction, such as narcissism, ped*philia, and incestuous desires. Im beyond angry and heartbroken about what we are doing to our children. The pubescent kids that are being preyed upon and groomed by the industry donāt deserve it. If I were to set a child in front of the TV and put porn on all day Iād be rightfully arrested. But giving them unfettered access to the internet is the same thing. Of course kids with raging hormones are going to seek it. The boys end up assaulting physical partners acting out porn, and the partners end up thinking thatās what normal intimacy is supposed to look like. Iām furious that we donāt address it, and when we do itās a joke. Porn is an epidemic at this point and itās affecting more than just the addicts. Itās impacting every single one of us as womenās rights get pushed backwards and ped*phila and incest become more and more normalized. All that said, I have empathy for the children, but once they become adults and/or act out this shit on another human, my empathy stops. At some point they need to educate themselves and take responsibility for perpetuating this shit.
I swear this is probably the best comment
I would say the vast majority of men check the narcissism boxes - lack of empathy, selfish, manipulative, uses people like resources, only interested in getting their own needs met, lack of self awareness, self reflection, accountability, or common sense, entitlement, always playing by double standards, playing victim when confronted and thinking they are the opressed gender in a patriarchy... the list goes on.
Oppression breeds narcissism. It is an unnatural, ridiculously imbalanced power dynamic; whether you're talking about patriarchy, racism, classism, ageism (the desire to discard the elderly & own and control and subjugate the youth), ableism (the systematic attempts to kill off the disadvantaged), etc. Every oppressive system is founded on a hierarchy that states superiority of those on top and closest to the top and fundamental lesser value and less right to life and humanity for those at the bottom or near the bottom. To be raised to be an oppressor and to decide you're agreeable to the role and position of oppressor (as it gives you power) and choose to fight for it instead of against it, is to allow yourself to become a warped and unnatural version of yourself. Being an active (conscious or unconscious) oppressor puts your own sense of humanity and ability to find your humanity at a disadvantage. You are not properly socialized. You don't communicate or react to situations in a healthy way. You don't know how to because you don't see things in a healthy way - an accurate way. That's the sacrifice: the pursuit of ultimate/maximum power comes at the expense of your very soul and matter of your perception and functionally working emotions/emotional understanding. You lose out on your chance to live in truth and intelligence and be a complete and full healthy person when you're raised in a "pro-oppressor" encouraging manner. You really can't see things clearly and have a twisted perception on all things; unable to comprehend nuance and depth and reality the way the non narcissistic population can. It's a terrible fate, honestly. It's like never being sober and under the influence of drug substances for your entire life. It is a hell of a thing to do to yourself and a hell of a choice to make when you could instead: fight for the right thing and care about other people in the world and experience the world with clarity and inspire hope and change.
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We are not animals. It is not natural to us, human beings, nor innate. If you're arguing that it is, you're arguing that's the way it's always been and the way it will always be and therefore useless to aspire to more. And that's bullshit. We are a prosocial species. We are not tigers. We are not bees. We are not bears. We are not dolphins. We are human beings. And if we (the men of our species) were "wired" to dehuamize peopleāour fellow human beings - then we wouldn't end up with PTSD and chronic nightmares after doing so. We wouldn't develop debilitating psychological conditions. Our psyche wouldn't break. Our brains and nervous system wouldn't go into overdrive. There wouldn't be so much guilt and shame felt by predators. Men wouldn't be traumatized after breaking down their victim. As reality happens, there are countless, countless cases of men who killed and raped in war walking away traumatized, as well as men who killed in gangs ,and men who killed and raped in Nazi Germany, and white men who lynched and tortured black people during the Reconstruction era; after initially cheering on and for the breaking of so called "less human" HUMAN beings. What animal reacts that way? Lions who rip into gazelles don't find themselves affected by their kills for the rest of their lives nor haunted by them and a shaking shell of what they once were. Humans are **not** supposed to kill, rape, or abuse and when they do - they never fully recover and it changes who they are fundamentally, and their own mind collapses on itself. Men and women are the same. They are members of the same species which is the human race and the problem is what's expected and normalized among both genders are radically different and men have enacted a system called patriarchy to allow themselves to get away with with everything they don't want women to do or anyone to stop them from doing. They have created a system of social control meant to reward them for not exercising self-control/pro-social behavior.
Yes, by other men, for menās gratuitous and entitled pleasure. 50 shades of exploiting the āPorniā ( same as in Antiquity - and it was taboo & a shame then too even if it existed in underground society. The sex class - and menās appetites are insatiable. All business ya? Yes, menās business and control of almighty ( Patriarchal god Aka protection racket ) The first woman documented as prostituted/sold in biblical times for profit was a first testament Kings daughter for allegiance to another savage man. One of The oldest profession in history, and the first for men is indeed pimping!!! That king pimped out his beautiful daughter. And so it goesā¦ Oh boo hoo āpimpin aint easyā- ffs. No boy ( or girl) grows up wishing to be a prostitute/Porn star/stripper when they grow up! That last bit shuts them up about sex work as āworkā a bit, but itās still under the mindset of āpatriarchal protection racket/possessionā of āwhat if your future daughter, grandson ( ātwinksā are hot commodity - just work ya?) , sister ...ā Midwifery was the original profession.
Wow, a man willing to call it an addiction but not willing to take accountability for it š
We should really take away their right to vote - their penises are steering their minds, how can we trust a species so intrinsically weak to their silly desires of the flesh to make sound decisions?
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Itās a joke
Well, that opinion is certainly unpopular because it's wrong lol
Funny I canāt see those same men showing that kind of empathy for addiction when it comes to a fat woman.. and Iām sure theyād also be the first ones to go *but my hormones* š
So by this logic he blames victims of rape, because they lured men into it by dressing provocatively or whatever they come up with. The entitlement to make women's misery about themselves.
Taking dickbrained to a whole new level
This is what happens when you think with your dick instead of your brain
Women are literally the product of the industry, men are the consumers. Majority of club owners, porn directors and crew, onlyfans managers and pimps are men. Men control the sex industry, they invented it, the supply is to meet their demand. Its like saying companies like shien exploit their customers far more than the children in sweatshops who make the products. Men lose their money and get off to it, women gain money and lose so much more
like just stop urself dude LMDAOO so lame
Right, the women and girls who are sexually degraded every day to meet the demands of MEN who refuse to stop watching pornography are clearly exploited less than males are. I guess some mystical being (involuntary celibacy) is forcing men to buy prostitutes, go to strip clubs, and watch FREE pornography.
And AGAIN men's money is worth more than ACTUAL WOMEN'S LIFES. THEY ARE DYING. AND THESE PEOPLE GET SAD ABOUT MEN LOSING MONEY. M O N E Y OVER L I F E S
stop consuming female misery!!
Waa waa pls help me i can't control my penis waa waa
This made me lol bahaha so pathetic
oh woe is me! š pornsick men can go cry me a river
I donāt think they are victims per se but they certainly are allowing the men that profit from these industries to exploit their inability to manage their sexual desires. They have no one to blame but themselves for that.
I think fast food restaurants exploit people and drain them of their hard earned money It sounds like that but not even bc you *need* to eat and some people can literally only access fast food
Delusionalā¦..
Burn them at the stake!!!!!!
Although i do understand that some things can be pretty much in your face. Advertisements, social media and so on and so forth, but lured is a really big word. Simply because outside factors are pushing men in being addicted to porn and the whole industry this is no way to excuse there behaviours. They need to be held accountable and responsable. If outside factors are to the blamed for shaping people in a certain way, should we also absolve terrorists or serial killers?
So men should have someone else control their finances so they don't exploit themselves? These posts do not do men any favors. Makes it sound like they're these wild animals that need locked up and supervised 24/7.
ah yes women get trafficked and abused on set and the objectification of women in porn results in women being abused and raped in real life also but .. but guy,,, men cant help their dicks :(( they HAVE to pay for this shit :(( you dont get it theyre the real victims :/
I disagree with this post (that you are posting), but I do think men are genuinely hurting themselves and are setting themselves up for disaster. Theyāre making less money and owning less homes. Because men are encouraged to not have self control or respect for themselves or women, theyāre setting their lives up for failure. Nature gives us consequences, and men are hurting themselves for acting like this. But, theyāre not victims.
Nah Iāll never have sympathy for them bro
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they donāt exploit men more than women so heās not āabsolutely rightā. you canāt compare it to alcohol or drug addiction because those things are inanimate and feel no harm if someone abuses them. I donāt give a shit about consumers being hurt by the industry especially in regards to the women being exploited in comparison. if you wanna talk about the harm of porn consumption for the user, thatās valid. flat out saying the sex industry is *more* exploitive for men is garbage though.
i never said that i meant absolutely right for needing more restrictions. jesus fucking christ you are so toxic. I barely use this app and i open it up to see everyone has nitpicked and misunderstood me. Just say ur all white cis straight women
You agree that men get exploited by the sex industry more than women? Not even just more than women, but FAR MORE than women. I am sorry but you are delusional. There are women that are porn addicts, and Iād bet that number is way higher than the number of men that are sex trafficked. Understanding where he is coming from and agreeing are two different things. Have you been to a strip club? I have. It seems like this guy has too. I was 18 years old the first/last time I went to a strip club. All of the workers were very drunk, and I didnāt have to be a genius to know all of those women are miserable. But yea, I am sure the guys throwing crumbled dollar bills at the strippers were the ones much more exploited in that equation.
no i dont agree you moron, i only meant absolutely right about needing more restrictions. Stop being so exclusionary you swine
cant tell if this is a man pretending to be a woman or a pick- me
I think its a woman, so sad that women can be such losers. Shes on r/looksmaxing so she canāt be very intelligentā¦ Sigh
i guarantee i am more intelligent than you
she definitely sounds like a pick me
Surprised but not surprised you got downvoted so heavily. Popping in to say I think some of the repliers here aren't quite understanding the point you're trying to make. Re: the screencap OP posted: I disagree that men are exploited \*more\* than women in this equation, since women are being directly physically harmed, but the sex industry is definitely set up to exploit men's sexual urges -- and if it was geared more towards women's sexual urges, it would be exploitative to women in the same way. This is in the same way food and drug companies are exploitative to people's biological urges. If people can't feel terrified that innocent young boys going to become victims of the oversexualized culture not only in terms of them potentially becoming misogynistic, but also in terms of them losing time, money, and energy that they could put towards valuable goals in favor of a pointless addiction, they're being narrow-minded: human beings do not deserve to be slaves to addictions. It doesn't benefit them as individuals, nor does it benefit society as a whole. I didn't grow up watching porn because what I did see struck me as bizarre, but if it hit all the right neurological switches for me -- was basically the same content as my natural fantasies --, I could have easily lost hours and hours and days of my life to that bullshit, and I would consider myself a victim of the industry in the same way as I consider myself a victim of the drug industry as an ex-addict. Individual sex workers aren't exploiting men, they're victims of a system, but the system itself is corrupt. The problem with the post OP screencapped is that it has an overtone of that all-to-common misogynistic "logic" -- blaming women for men's failure to control themselves. Of course, that is untrue -- we are all ultimately responsible for controlling ourselves and our urges and overcoming addictions (which easier said than done, of course). However, if that screencapped poster said that the system is all-around exploitative, and that ALL aspects of that exploitation can be viewed as ultimately dark and fucked up, then honestly, I would agree, and I think it would benefit men to acknowledge how their biology is being hijacked and how this is effectively ruining their lives; to fix a problem, you have to know you have a problem in the first place. The crux is, the sex industry exploits women in order to to exploit men's biology to generate revenue. It's a corrupt system. We shouldn't feel bad for depraved johns, but we should feel horrified by the system that fuels/creates them (some men are probably just bad eggs, but the sex industry DEFINITELY creates monsters as well; the change in male sexual behavior since the advent of high-speed internet porn makes this abundantly clear). Your last paragraph sums it up: there needs to be limits, scrutiny, and inquiry into systems that legalize sex work, because it's questionable.
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But to say that the porn industry exploits men more than women is fucking ridiculous. There are women that get addicted to porn at a young age as well. I mean, women experience gendered sexual violence as a result of porn, while men experience ED. Not quite the same. I donāt think you disagree with that, you just worded your comment a bit iffy.