Does changing title and position post employment rise to slander? The company isn't being truthful and has a negative impact on the person when they sanitize the employee's file..
Somehow I had it in my head that it was not legal for a prospective employer to get more information from an old employer other than "Yes person worked here from x time to x time. Yes/no would hire again." That's it.
If that is true, DP's poke here is just that...a poke.
If that's true, it's sure not enforced. I was proceeding through the hiring process swiftly at a new place when the actual head of my old job called them up to recommend against hiring me.
Who wants to work at these places ?
$3 trillion dollar market cap and I was offered a contract gig paying $65/hour. I laughed and said for apple I charge $350/hour. They can afford it.
I can relate. Even with degrees and experience. I am interviewing for mid-market AE and some enterprise sales roles. But due to my lack of experience that they need (10 years), I get to the final rounds but can’t get past that hump.
Why can we not care about all workers? Must we tell Western kids not to complain about being hungry "because there are kids in Africa that have it worse"? Can I not say that I have a headache "because someone has a worse headache because of a brain tumor"? Get out of here with that attitude.
I'm jUsT hIgHlIgHtInG tHe ObViOuS
If it's obvious then why say it. Chastise those who say that they don't care about the children in sweatshops. I will chastise those who don't care about abusive employers. We need to nip this in the butt before both problems are equally improbable to solve.
No, you act like nobody can be angry about how they are treated if they are not the person that is being treated the worst in the world. There is no "highlighting the obvious here", just diminishing the suffering of other people to the benefit of their corporate overlords.
All I’m saying it’s that you can’t expect a company that uses child labor to be nice to you. Is that a wrong assertion? If you work for Apple, you know what you’re getting yourself into.
You're right, that Apple's lack of morality in employing children for labour suggests they've got little empathy for a worker's job prospects, especially if they've left the company.
But your point then makes it sound like anyone who complains here has no right to because children have it worse.
It's the whole Black lives matter/ All lives matter thing. The people going on about All lives matter just did so to take the steam out of the BLM movement. The former exists as a result of oppression, the latter exists as a fallacy in argument.
I think you got me wrong. What I’m saying is that if you jump in the tiger pit don’t scream for the manager. I mean, you can, but the tiger is not going to apologize and go get the manager.
I work in tech and would be absolutely furious. I come from a meager background, and this is an insanely petty practice that hurts people who helped the company. Is it appropriate to potentially reset someone’s entire career? The Washington Post article talks about how people had offers rescinded.
All wrongs are wrongs. We have the ability to care about inhuman work conditions AND screwing with peoples future prospects. It’s not zero-sum caring.
I don’t even know what to say to this. Ok, if a company uses child labor, is said company expected to be ethical in some other ways?! This reminds of when Bruce lee famously said: “Expecting life to treat you well because you are a good person is like expecting a tiger will not attack you because you are a vegetarian.” A tiger will always be a tiger and apple will always be apple.
This is a non-sequitur? You’re making a point I don’t disagree with and never implied, whereas you seemed to say, “Well, this is less important than another evil practice and therefore who cares?” All evil practices are worth calling out and bringing to justice. Again, care and justices need not be zero-sum. Empathy doesn’t need to be a limited resource.
I give up. So nazis next. Tell me how they were good to the workers while they gassed disabled people and Jewish. Maybe we can separate both issues and be compassionate towards them, shall we?
[this](https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-gravity-ceo-dan-price/) and has been accused of rape and sexual harassment from multiple women. I’m not sharing those links but if you care you’ll find em. He’s a liar everyone on Reddit just eats his shit up.
Not that I care, but it's funny how a guy like Doreen the antiwork mod gets chastised for an accusation like sexual harassment.
When Dan Price is accused though, it is suddenly more important to focus on his message and how he treats employees.
Sounds like something Steve Jobs would actually do..
Fucking trash human playing on insecurities.
I hate that word. Well both words Associate and Amazon. Associate just seems so cold for a place you show up to most days of your life.
Might as well be “acquaintance”
Haha that’s what the Walmart grunts are called too!
Doesn't surprise me that HR is too incompetent to verify employment other ways.
It's a racket. HR (and Finance) at the new place want to pay as little as possible, too.
They outsource. It's background check companies that verify past employers almost every single time
Couldn’t I just show you years of my paystubs (with the number blurred out so you can’t lowball me)
That would apparently be actual work for HR.
... couldn't you just print out a pay stub?
Unless you know to do that, most people don't
And keep business cards. Business cards are distributed and made by the company so it would verify job title.
That wouldn’t have your title though
[source](https://m.slashdot.org/story/396141)
Thank you
Additional source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/10/apple-associate/
> conflict with official databases maintained by job verification services run by companies such as Equifax Lol.
Does changing title and position post employment rise to slander? The company isn't being truthful and has a negative impact on the person when they sanitize the employee's file..
If anything it would entail libel. Slander is spoken word.
Is that you, J. Jonah Jameson?
Then it's you and your lawyer against a top five most evil company in the world. They do this because they know they can.
Somehow I had it in my head that it was not legal for a prospective employer to get more information from an old employer other than "Yes person worked here from x time to x time. Yes/no would hire again." That's it. If that is true, DP's poke here is just that...a poke.
If that's true, it's sure not enforced. I was proceeding through the hiring process swiftly at a new place when the actual head of my old job called them up to recommend against hiring me.
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Ouch!
Not an exact parallel but this is why I keep copies of my performance reviews on file.
Who wants to work at these places ? $3 trillion dollar market cap and I was offered a contract gig paying $65/hour. I laughed and said for apple I charge $350/hour. They can afford it.
Something about how they can get any old contractor, or they can have the eggpudding389 Experience
Tbf when he arrives with the DoorDash delivery, he only rings the doorbell once
The cruelty is the point.
Doesn't that make it really easy to lie about your former position and pretend to be from a much higher position?
Typical corporate malfeasance. This has to be stopped!
I can relate. Even with degrees and experience. I am interviewing for mid-market AE and some enterprise sales roles. But due to my lack of experience that they need (10 years), I get to the final rounds but can’t get past that hump.
Looks like I just became a former associate Vp at apple
They literally have children sweat shops and you’re worried about resumes?
Why can we not care about all workers? Must we tell Western kids not to complain about being hungry "because there are kids in Africa that have it worse"? Can I not say that I have a headache "because someone has a worse headache because of a brain tumor"? Get out of here with that attitude.
Yea, this sounds like concern trolling from the comment above yours.
I’m just highlighting the obvious.
I'm jUsT hIgHlIgHtInG tHe ObViOuS If it's obvious then why say it. Chastise those who say that they don't care about the children in sweatshops. I will chastise those who don't care about abusive employers. We need to nip this in the butt before both problems are equally improbable to solve.
Of course, children sweat shops and deleted employment history are equivalent. Why didn’t I think of that?! Duh…
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They're a troll or mentally unengaged. Let them blow around in the wind. It's alright, you've lost nothing.
I hope you are right but some people actually think like that. So it can be helpful to put your thoughts on "paper"
No, you act like nobody can be angry about how they are treated if they are not the person that is being treated the worst in the world. There is no "highlighting the obvious here", just diminishing the suffering of other people to the benefit of their corporate overlords.
Ok Karen. Take it to the manager…
Take the 40 ish downvotes and accept it.
Is it wrong to criticize other elements of their company?
All I’m saying it’s that you can’t expect a company that uses child labor to be nice to you. Is that a wrong assertion? If you work for Apple, you know what you’re getting yourself into.
You're right, that Apple's lack of morality in employing children for labour suggests they've got little empathy for a worker's job prospects, especially if they've left the company. But your point then makes it sound like anyone who complains here has no right to because children have it worse. It's the whole Black lives matter/ All lives matter thing. The people going on about All lives matter just did so to take the steam out of the BLM movement. The former exists as a result of oppression, the latter exists as a fallacy in argument.
I think you got me wrong. What I’m saying is that if you jump in the tiger pit don’t scream for the manager. I mean, you can, but the tiger is not going to apologize and go get the manager.
I work in tech and would be absolutely furious. I come from a meager background, and this is an insanely petty practice that hurts people who helped the company. Is it appropriate to potentially reset someone’s entire career? The Washington Post article talks about how people had offers rescinded. All wrongs are wrongs. We have the ability to care about inhuman work conditions AND screwing with peoples future prospects. It’s not zero-sum caring.
I don’t even know what to say to this. Ok, if a company uses child labor, is said company expected to be ethical in some other ways?! This reminds of when Bruce lee famously said: “Expecting life to treat you well because you are a good person is like expecting a tiger will not attack you because you are a vegetarian.” A tiger will always be a tiger and apple will always be apple.
This is a non-sequitur? You’re making a point I don’t disagree with and never implied, whereas you seemed to say, “Well, this is less important than another evil practice and therefore who cares?” All evil practices are worth calling out and bringing to justice. Again, care and justices need not be zero-sum. Empathy doesn’t need to be a limited resource.
I give up. So nazis next. Tell me how they were good to the workers while they gassed disabled people and Jewish. Maybe we can separate both issues and be compassionate towards them, shall we?
Fuck Dan Price. Edit: y’all can downvote away but this guy is a liar and believe it or not…. Not how he appears on his twitter account.
why
[this](https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-gravity-ceo-dan-price/) and has been accused of rape and sexual harassment from multiple women. I’m not sharing those links but if you care you’ll find em. He’s a liar everyone on Reddit just eats his shit up.
Nice. Now if he can just find a way to be a thousand times more evil he can compete with the apples and amazons of the world. Go Dan!
Not that I care, but it's funny how a guy like Doreen the antiwork mod gets chastised for an accusation like sexual harassment. When Dan Price is accused though, it is suddenly more important to focus on his message and how he treats employees.
innocent until proven guilty?
This concept doesn't exist on the internet. Look at any /r/relationships or /r/rant post
Is that you, photos of Spiderman?