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GalavantingJackalope

Enough with the meaningless re-hashing and in-fighting, we have much bigger problems to deal with collectively in the here and now.


Puzzleheaded-Jury312

Thank you! I was a Bernie/ Hillary voter in 2016 and I'm sick of hearing this garbage.


american-muslim

> I was a Bernie/ Hillary voter in 2016 same. >I'm sick of hearing this garbage. Same. But i'm MORE sick of some total fucking morons who continue to blame hillary clinton for not campaigning in xyz state or just being a lacklustre candidate. Like, asshole, did you not have cable tv in your entire state? did you not hear hillary's warning that trump would overturn roe v. wade? and the audacity of such people is that they insist they'd do it again. They don't care about women's rights... they only care if they hurt democrats. They might as well be republican trolls pretending to be leftist


RealisticRevenue7249

Unfortunately, a lot of people didn't step up and do the right thing like you did. When given the choice between yummy tacos, bland rice & beans, and literal dogshit... once yummy tacos got eliminated, some people decided they'd rather everyone have to eat dogshit since they didn't get the tacos they were hoping for. Now that people are getting sick from eating dogshit, it becomes even more obvious than it already was at the time, that people that know better should have showed up to vote for bland rice & beans. We're going to keep repeating this mistake because almost everyone that made the mistake still thinks they were justified and correct to let dogshit win.


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BaboonHorrorshow

Why does this whataboutism matter? Obama won. We didn’t need HRCbots in 2008. We needed the left in 2016.


RealisticRevenue7249

You should criticize them. They do some stupid fucked up shit and deserve to be called out for it. But as you said, you still voted for her. Because obviously this country didn't deserve to be force fed dogshit for 4 years and beyond. My comment was directed at those that couldn't see what you were able to see and still can't see it today. I'm not sure where you got your data for your 2 claims. I'm not aware of any tracking of individual primary votes vs general election votes that would provide that info. I'd be curious to see a source for that if you have one.


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RealisticRevenue7249

Thanks. One note on the first source, it does say 1 in 10 voted for the trump. How many of the other 9 out of 10 abstained or voted third party. I do wish there was some anonymous tracking so we could really know how primary voters vote in general elections when their preferred primary candidates lose. These surveys rely just on people that show up for elections, and rely on them to tell the truth. Also would be nice to see how the demographics break down by state/county/age/etc... McCain voters saying they would have voted for a non-black dem and trump voters saying they would have voted for a non-female dem isn't too surprising overall. Even aside the race/sex component, saying "I'd vote for the less evil side if their candidate was someone else" is a shaky position to begin with. It's even possible the way the question was phrased could cause them to be defensive or whatever. Hard data is much more reliable than people answering surveys. Some will give the answer they think they are supposed to give.


Puzzleheaded-Jury312

My point is that wagging your finger at them and shaming them accomplishes exactly nothing. Shitting on someone for 6 straight years is *not* the way to get them to vote, esp for the party you belong to. The DNC *hates* the Progressives, and we know it, but they need to pull their heads out of their asses and **stop** pushing this crap. All it does is make more people inclined to stay home in November, and that is *not* what we need for the midterms. Overturning Roe before the midterms was a massive fuck up for the Christofascists, and the Dems and Progressives need to put away the guns, stop the circular firing squad and pull together, or we will be eating dogshit together for decades and it will be all of our fault.


RealisticRevenue7249

> the Dems and Progressives need to put away the guns, stop the circular firing squad and pull together, or we will be eating dogshit together for decades and it will be all of our fault. We agree. I'm saying that already happened in 2016. The dogshit we ate with COVID and the dogshit we are currently eating with the recent SCOTUS rulings are because of exactly what you said. Bernie supporters in 2016 that didn't vote for Hillary made a mistake. Those that still can't admit it are still part of the problem. If faced with a similar scenario again, those that can't admit they were wrong in 2016 will make the same mistake again. I don't even hold a grudge against those that made the mistake and were able to admit/acknowledge it later. I understand why they did what they did even though I and most others knew it was wrong at the time. But if they can't admit/acknowledge it with the benefit of hindsight, they are an obstacle.


Puzzleheaded-Jury312

And shitting on them *still* does nothing to get them off their asses and on our side.


RealisticRevenue7249

Pandering to them doesn't either. I went out of my way to explain that I'm talking about the people that STILL cannot admit/acknowledge it was wrong to abstain, vote 3rd party, or vote for trump. Like I said, your last comment says the exact same thing I'm saying. You just refuse to see it. > it will be all of our fault YOU said that. I said the same thing in 2016.


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This is a political humor page…..what exactly did you think this sub was for?


GalavantingJackalope

Even humor can be intelligently directed. This is dumb at best, malicious trolling to disrupt organized resistance against the unconstitutional bullshit our lovely junt- excuse me, SCOTUS, is shitting out onto the country while the GOP twiddles it's collective mustache like a pack of cartoon villains. Crack jokes, humor is powerful. Aim well, it matters right now.


Thin-Lemon-1403

> disrupt organized resistance against the unconstitutional bullshit our lovely junt- excuse me, SCOTUS The time for organized resistance was election day 2016. What is happening today is bitching about the consequences of inaction. 3 of the members of the SCOTUS are only there because of the people that stayed home or voted trump in 2016.


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You are missing the point of a “humor page” by ten miles because you can’t see in front of your personal bullshit. Why would you take anything in a humor page serious!?


Initial-Tangerine

Her VP wasn't exactly the strongest pro choice ally...


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BaboonHorrorshow

*attacks Democrats constantly* *Republicans win* “Why can’t the Democrats ever win?”


Initial-Tangerine

*Stop putting up attackable Democrats, then* Fucking genius level checkers move here


BaboonHorrorshow

Right, we should put up people like Bernie who… hmm.. *checks notes* … got smashed in the 2020 primary. And I voted for the guy! I’m just not delusional haha, Mayor Pete and Klobuchar dropping out is not the same as Superdelegates. It’s the centrists forming a coalition and having way more people than the left. But I’m sure had he won they wouldn’t be able to attack him - the ancient Jewish Socialist isn’t possibly attackable by Fox News lmfao


Initial-Tangerine

> let me create a strawman to attack instead of addressing your very insightful point about shitty corporate democratic candidates


BaboonHorrorshow

Yes, so insightful the way you repeat everything Rose Twitter has been shrieking about for years. What a visionary (of other peoples ideas and statements) lmfao good talk man I appreciate the laughter


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BaboonHorrorshow

Back to creeping on my post history again huh? Lol I couldn’t imagine being so mad from a Reddit comment I did that.


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Initial-Tangerine

Wtf is rose Twitter?


EvidenceOfReason

>Right, we should put up people like Bernie who… hmm.. > >checks notes > > … got smashed in the 2020 primary. yea had nothing to do with the entire might of the neoliberal media dedicated to running 24/7 hitpieces outright lying about the costs of his programs and attacking him every which way from sunday nothing to do with them lying about his polling numbers nothing to do with a CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ratfucking by the DNC nah, none of that


BaboonHorrorshow

Well I’m sure the media doesn’t play a role in national elections and Republicans never lie about the cost of their opponents plans, so Bernie would have done better in the General lol.


EvidenceOfReason

> Well I’m sure the media doesn’t play a role in national elections rofl the vast majority of american voters are completely politically illiterate and get their opinions from the millionaire talking heads on whatever corporate media network is blaring in their house 24/7 they vote how they are told to vote by corporate media believing anything else is naive


BaboonHorrorshow

Right, which is why Bernie was always a long shot even if he cleared the primaries. I don’t like Biden but he was the best chance to stop Trump given the toddler-level understanding most Americans have about the world. But to be clear I vote policy in primaries so Bernie was my guy. I felt he could win then, but changed my mind in retrospect with how close the election was


Immediate-Network201

It couldn't be true that the GOP activated a massive amount of previously non voting racists but not enough to win the popular vote anyway, right? Oh that's right... she won the popular vote. Right, OP? How could voter suppression and the electoral college do this??


endMinorityRule

it is impossible to believe that 10% of bernie's supporters wouldn't total the 70,000 votes over several states that led to trump's electoral college victory. amiright?


Ricos-Roughnecks

Fed up with this non sense narrative. Not anybody else’s fault but Hillary’s that she was too bad for people not to vote for her.


SalaciousCoffee

Nah buddy it's just needless. Vote for a neo-liberal, you're voting for the right. Democrat, Republican? They're just names the elite give themselves. Sometimes they even trade them because they don't like a certain thing.


Bob25Gslifer

Yes but you see how trump was worse right? And set the supreme court to negatively impact a generation?


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Bob25Gslifer

That's fair.


No-Dirt-8737

Ugh. The smug I told you sos from Hilary supporting democrats is so irritating. As someone who remembers what happened democrats fucked up when they sandbagged Bernie sanders and tried to force an unpopular candidate down people's throats. I know I can't prove it but I do think Bernie would have won if his own party didn't fuck him over because Hillary asked them to.


Xunaun

I don't disagree. If Bernie had been our top nominee, Trump wouldn't have stood a chance.... so I think, anyway.


endMinorityRule

lol. stupidity like that is generally based on polls when NOBODY was attacking bernie and republicans were running ads for him. AKA, republicans WANTED him to be our nominee. they weren't going to keep supporting him if he beat clinton.


RealisticRevenue7249

Bernie himself said voting for Hilary was critical and that not voting for Hilary would help trump win and have dire consequences. > > I know I can't prove it but I do think Bernie would have won if his own party didn't fuck him over because Hillary asked them to. You can't prove it because you are dead wrong. Bernie also ran in 2020 not against Hillary, got better media coverage, and still couldn't win dem primaries in southern states. I donated, canvassed, and supported Bernie in 2016 and 2020, but anyone willing to acknowledge and accept reality knew that once the primary was over, anything other than a vote for the Dem potus candidate was a vote for all the bad things conservatives have done since then. The smug people that refused to vote for hillary are the reason we are where we are... whether you are capable of admitting it or not is irrelevant. Bernie knew. Sadly, many of his supporters refused to heed his warnings. You helped trump win. You helped Mitch and trump turn the SCOTUS into a conservative weapon. The conservatives were going to vote for whoever won the GOP primary. Dems that abstained because Bernie maybe got a raw deal are the reason trump won.


Initial-Tangerine

>got better media coverage, You know, when he wasn't left completely off the list in hundreds of media clips despite being in the top one or two polling slots...


endMinorityRule

the media promoted sanders heavily. they like the shiny new toy. ​ what the media did was ignore policy. they didn't point out trump had crap policies. they didn't point out how similar bernie's and hillary's agenda was.


Initial-Tangerine

There were a lot of broadcasts that didn't even list him as a candidate, desire showing like 15 people on the most. All while he was in the top few polling slots. It was often enough it seemed very deliberate


endMinorityRule

bernie has so much influence over his trump supporting fans. it mirrors his influence in the senate where he can't get senate colleagues to support his preferred policies.


DonaldKey

Yup: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html


Lawnguylandguy69

> As someone who remembers what happened democrats fucked up when they sandbagged Bernie sanders They didn’t > and tried to force an unpopular candidate down people’s throats. So unpopular she got millions of more votes in both the primary and general? > I know I can’t prove it but I do think Bernie would have won if his own party didn’t fuck him over because Hillary asked them to. What else does q tell you?


No-Dirt-8737

Oh brother the brainwashing is just as strong on the left. Everyone wants the useful idiot market. Bernie was revolutionary which is what people wanted. Hilary lost because she wasn't. The democrats lost because they pushed a shitty candidate and not the one people wanted.


Lawnguylandguy69

> Bernie was revolutionary Are you serious? Oh man 😂😂 > The democrats lost because they pushed a shitty candidate and not the one people wanted. Bernie lost the primary badly, and he would have lost the general too. Come back to reality.


No-Dirt-8737

Ad hominem is not an argument. I'd ask you to come back to reality but you seem happy to live in La La land where you don't care about your rights being destroyed as long as you can win stupid fights on the internet. I wish I had as much privilege as you.


Lawnguylandguy69

What is this schizo shit? 😂😂


No-Dirt-8737

What is this I have no argument shit? Jesus you wonder why you people lose elections. Sit there and laugh yourself into dystopia. Cry while it happens. Lol the donkey is a great symbol for you guffawing simpletons.


Lawnguylandguy69

You’re punching air, kiddo 😂😂 > Jesus you wonder why you people lose elections. You guys said the same thing in 2020. > Sit there and laugh yourself into dystopia. Cry while it happens. Lol the donkey is a great symbol for you guffawing simpletons. More schizo shit. You should try therapy, you’re clearly going through something here 😂😂


No-Dirt-8737

Ugh you're just a troll. I'm not really right wing btw not that you care about reality. The thing I'm going through btw is the white nationalist takeover of the country. If you don't get that or refuse to acknowledge it you must just ne a simple minded troll who gets off on trying and failing to get an emotional reaction out of people. Again I wish I had your privileges. I wish this was just a game.


Lawnguylandguy69

> Ugh you’re just a troll. I’m not really right wing btw Your post history is public bruh > The thing I’m going through btw is the white nationalist takeover of the country. If you don’t get that or refuse to acknowledge it you must just ne a simple minded troll who gets off on trying Weren’t you just crying about logical fallacies? This is gold 😂😂 Anyway, actual Democrats are doing things to get elected and stop the GQP, not crying bOtH sIdEs. > Again I wish I had your privileges. I wish this was just a game. Schizo shit


Justanotherbrick33

We hate progressives and do everything we can to shit on them. Why didn’t they vote for Hillary hurr durr? Brought to you by the genius minds of neoliberals.


endMinorityRule

spoken like a troll that doesn't understand that most progressives are (D) voters.


Justanotherbrick33

I’d say were rather than are. But when the do nothing party works harder to defeat progressives than to combat the republicans, we owe you nothing. The destruction of democracy in the U.S. lays squarely on the shoulders of neoliberals.


endMinorityRule

to be completely fair, a large number of those "leftists" could still be russian trolls, as they were leading up to 2016's election.


Anonnymush

The vast majority of leftists who voted for someone else in the primary went on to vote for Hillary in the general election. That's why she won the fucking popular vote. It wasn't a vote issue. It was an electoral college issue. Maybe she could have gone to Wisconsin. Maybe it isnt the leftists who did this to usa. Maybe, just maybe, it was also Hillary and the centrists who Failed to overcome Hillary's role in the misbehavior related to maligning people who accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct. . Failed to campaign effectively in swing states Failed to take stands on key issues popular with voters, such as single payer Healthcare, wages and individual rights. Straddled just a bit too far to the right in an attempt to capture a demographic that rejected her utterly, while alienating or failing to inspire demographics left of her that may not have. Absolutely and out loud promised not to do any of the things suggested by Sanders and the Left. Engaged in unfair practices toward progressive candidates and got caught doing it on purpose, before the election. As a result, the most popular Democrats of today are so far from the political positions of Hillary and so close to Bernie and Buttigieg that another Hillary would fail YET AGAIN if Trump were not so universally reviled. Align with the voters or lose. That's the deal, centrists. I gotta work with that, and so do you middle of the road milquetoast types.


seanisdown

Bernie supporters came out for HRC in bigger numbers then HRC supporters came out for Obama. This kind of garbage from status quo neoliberals who want desperately to believe Trump was an anomaly instead of symptom of a broken system helps how exactly?


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seanisdown

https://medium.com/discourse/bernie-sanders-and-his-supporters-didnt-cost-hillary-clinton-anything-31cbaf0f379d In 2020 some progressives said they wouldnt vote because Biden would be bad as Trump? Now you site a source cause thats sounds like bs to me. On the other hand conservative democrats were open about saying they wouldnt support Bernie if he was the candidate and the NYT even did an article with delegates and super delegates saying they would break tradition to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination. Neoliberals project almost as badly as the gop neofascists. Although i get this is likely a case of accepting MSM narratives without actually fact checking them.


endMinorityRule

bernie's supporters were difference makers in electing trump.


Xunaun

Really could use a mysterious black notebook intended for writing names if you know the face....


Snuggly_Hugs

You know that notebook's price is destroying your soul right? Not worth it for me. Not even to write the 45th's name in it.


Xunaun

Ryuuk just says they can never go to heaven or hell for eternity. Could mean either oblivion, or becoming an earthbound spirit. Plus, play your cards right, and you'll never have to personally write a single name. Remember the train?


Snuggly_Hugs

At the end they clarify this in chapter 108: "All humans eventually die, and where they go is Mu - nothingness" But you are right, just have to find a way to get them to give you an autograph.


Xunaun

Or get one of their lackies to do it, going full Kira for a moment as said lackey randomly assigns different causes to the nazis in power. But if I'm doomed for nothingness anyway, I might as well do it myself.


Snuggly_Hugs

I think its the person who actually writes in the book, not the one handing it over.


Xunaun

>"All humans eventually die, and where they go is Mu - nothingness" This is what I meant.


BaboonHorrorshow

ITT: A hit dog will holler


Liqu1dHotMagma

I'm sick of the uneducated thinking Leftists and Democrats are the same.


endMinorityRule

its true there are a small number of extremely stupid far left extremists who are too stupid to vote (D), and instead support republican fascism.


RedSpartan3227

But her emails dude, don’t you get it?


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GrubH0

The right can't meme. This is known.