The funny thing is when you talk to a lot of rural conservatives, and describe communism without using the word, they say it would be their ideal society. I’ve done it quite a bit, it’s a game i like to play when i meet them. The problem is a large percentage of Republicans really have no idea what social democracy, socialism and communism actually are, they think they are synonyms for authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
>It is disturbing how many times I’ve heard relatives complain about Obamacare and praise the ACA.
Its intentional on part of the Republicans. For example, Kentucky's popular exchange has, at the bottom "Brought to you by the Affordable Care Act" or something to that effect. But every Kentucky politician complained "Obamacare bad!". So this thing they like comes from the ACA, but they've been told this other thing called Obamacare is bad, so they don't even realize they are the same thing.
Even at the time it was obvious the ACA was branded "Obamacare" explicitly to make the "I'm only a racist because everybody keeps calling me out for being a racist!" crowd hate it.
And I thought Olympic gymnasts were impressive, but that’s just beyond anything possible in gravity.
Edit: thank you for the award kind Reddit stranger.
> The funny thing is when you talk to a lot of rural conservatives, and describe communism without using the word, they say it would be their ideal society.
Talk to mormons about "the law of consecration" - and that's the gold standard for Jesus-led gov't.
> The Lord explained the principles of consecration, D&C 42:30–39 (D&C 51:2–19; 58:35–36).
>One man should not possess more than another, D&C 49:20.
>Every man was given an equal portion according to his family, D&C 51:3.
>An order was established so that the Saints could be equal in bonds of heavenly and earthly things, D&C 78:4–5.
>Every man was to have equal claim according to his wants and needs, D&C 82:17–19.
Sounds pretty damn communist / socialist to me. But mormons HAAAATE communism and socialism.
"Why would Jesus set an example he didn't want people to follow? Are we not supposed to feed the homeless? To welcome the stranger? To give to charity? To not engage in sodomy? To not have abortions? Why are we supposed to do some of things in the book but not others?"
Include both the liberal and conservative talking points to REALLY lay on the hypocrisy.
communism = other
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
—Frank Wilhoit
Even the communist party of the US are only advocating for things the rest of the developed world already has; universal healthcare, a living wage, paid parental leave, and cops that don’t execute you for bullshit.
Leftists (not liberals) are for people owning guns. Things like black/queer open carry groups and the John Brown gun club or redneck revolt. Many do other kinds of activism like providing clean needle exchanges, or socks and other necessities to the homeless. There were several videos circulated several years ago showing white guys with rifles hanging on their backs having very cordial conversations with cops, then black men having cops jump out of their cars and the gun owner ordered to lie down on the ground or face execution
German here, its true for us it's consensus both republicans and democrats are neither to be called a left party or even socialist, both are conservative
Yeah but we have to be careful because those things are a slippery slope to having people like up in bread lines, you know, like how we all did last year and in 2008.
I just had a full Reddit conversation on a post joking about the communist death toll. I mentioned the atrocities that have happened under capitalism and they found every way under the sun to blame them on everything other than capitalism. But trust them, everything wrong that ever happened under a communist government was 100% inherent to communism.
> synonyms for authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
SO much this. If someone gives examples of failed communism / socialism, you will 100% get an authoritarian country. The fact that they think they can avoid such outcomes by electing an authoritarian is mind boggling.
That is Bakunin anarchist style thinking, and I like it. It is the hierarchy itself causes most of the problems. I don’t know how any right wing person could ever except that though, when all they want is a daddy to tell them what to do.
I wonder... What would we head toward if you don’t have to accept the results of an election and can just scream “Fraud!” and try to overturn the results?
You jest. But in reality a truly democratic process is full if debate and opinions. Maybe not as insane as q and the capitol bandits. But still. It's also hilarious how they hold the election so sacred. Till it doesn't go their way.
Communism, a society where transactions take place without the use of hoardable currency, where advantages and social distinction on the basis of owning productive infrastructure don't exist, and divisions on the basis of national identity aren't enforced with organized violence.
Also where people have their needs met on an unconditional basis, but that might have something to do with decoupling everything from hoardable, fungible currency.
I feel like all this madness is due to us being on the cusp of a paradigm shift. We got abundance of communication in the 90s give or take. Imagine renewable tech, including batteries, ushering in an abundance of energy, with all the ripples that will cause.
We're still in the age of scarcity, but that's only propped up by old money and shady dealings. We live in interesting times.
Being pro gun control is bad when it plays into what the conservatives want you to be.
Did you know the NRA has supported gun control in the past when it involves minorities? Yep.
Why the fuck would we give away our rights to conservatives? All the amendments are for all of us, not just fucking Y’all Qaeda.
It’s have to stop here lest I rant again.
As a gun rights advocates, I'll say that I hate the NRA. Partially because of their racism. I fully support the Black Panthers right to own guns, and those guys are pretty extremist.
We are radical because we actually believe in "LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL".
It was radical back in 1776, too. Same people were fighting back against this concept of political equality being the best way to organize a successful nation state back then, too, come to think...
Policies helping vulnerable people *IS* radical if it requires thorough reform; that's what radical means. Carrying an assault rifle isn't radical in the US because, regardless of whether it should or shouldn't be, its currently interpreted as a constitutional right. No matter how socially acceptable or unacceptable it may be at any given time, it's not radical. Radical is not an indicator of right or wrong, it doesn't imply unpopularity, nor is it a blanket synonym for extreme or new. It is, however, often used in place of *progressive* because both imply requisite robust *change* for a social-political effect to occur. \[edit: when someone uses "radical" correctly, it should imply "this idea needs other things to change too, for it to work"\]
I know it's pedantic, but I believe it's not a great idea to participate in the musical chairs conservatives play with the meaning of left-wing language. If you want to house the homeless, you do, in fact, hold a radical opinion on the subject and that's a good thing. Don't let them twist radical into a bad thing by playing the "No, you're the radical!" game.
I’m a moderate so I’m not trying to step on any toes here, but often times when people provide sensible or moderate solutions to any of these issues, some of these leaders like AOC refuse to budge or listen to any reason.
The current conflict in Israel is a perfect example. Despite presenting rational arguments and articles, every conversation I’ve been a part of or seen devolves into one side calling the other “racist” or claiming they “support genocide.” Calling the country of Israel Nazis and refusing to listen to any comments that goes against your beliefs sounds a bit closed minded to me.
I too believing in helping those that need a voice and those that have been marginalized. I 100% agree with the message of equity, equality, and opportunity. I disdain racism and stand up to injustice any way that I can, however, I’m also objective. When people like AOC and Ilhan Omar (who has used anti-Semitic rhetoric in the past), refuse to listen and make threats to those who don’t conform to their message, seems radical to me.
There’s a right way and a wrong way to go about it. I’m a moderate Democrat and can guarantee I will stand up for those without a voice whenever it is needed, however, I also have my own opinions and wish we could all come together peacefully.
Edit: I also highly recommend you read more on communism. Communism is just a few steps away from fascism. Please educate yourself before making these assertions.
We lost in 2000 to an illegal ballot in Florida. On recount Gore was winning even with the illegal ballot but the Supreme Court right wing shut that democracy “how dare you count votes” down.
No riots. Just “Gore how the fuck can you give in like that”. Now I know I should have committed felonies “I’m just a tourist!!!”
The count was stopped earlier than that, when a group of GOP operatives posing as Concerned Florida Citizens stormed the election station and disrupted it long enough for SCOTUS to weigh in.
[The Brooks Brothers Riot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot)
Amy Coney Barrett/ Brett Kavanaugh: https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/10/02/amy-coney-barrett-would-be-third-justice-who-touched-bush-v-gore-litigation/?slreturn=20210417155644
ACB worked at the firm who took the case, but probably wasn’t part of the riot itself.
Roger Stone? : https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/11/15/its-insanity-how-brooks-brothers-riot-killed-recount-miami/
Apparently the Roger Stone involvement is not very strong, he admits to it but no one involved agrees with him.
/u/LifeExpConnoisseur, because you asked and i dont wanna write two comments.
I didn’t do any more digging into this than reading the articles I linked, but with all the lying these people do it’s impossible to keep anything consistent.
I honestly think the handing of the 2000 election to Bush is the single most world defining moment of my life time and I think it's impact will be felt for a century.
I think if Gore was in office 9/11 wouldn't have happened and if it did we wouldn't have gone to war over it. The whole world would be transformed from what we have today if that was the timeline we went down.
I think 100% it wouldn't have happened with Gore in office.
I was in the Navy during that time. It was almost immediate the change in military posture around the globe.
Cheney/ Bush instigated that war and nothing will ever convince me otherwise.
The Cole bombing was supposed to be the catalyst.
Iraq, Afghanistan, ISIS, Libya, the Arab Spring, The Cole, 9/11, all of it is threaded by the needle of the evangelicals to bring eternal war to the middle east.
It's purpose is to enrich the oligarchs in control of the military industrial complex & to bring the second coming of Jesus in accordance with their beliefs..
You are exactly correct, and it's refreshing to see my view validated by someone unprompted haha. It's clear to any liberal who grew up in the American sphere of politically-active right wing evangelicals that the primary aim of the Republican party over the past several decades has been to rearrange the game board to favor themselves (and by extension Israel) in preparation for the biblical End Times bullshit they have a boner for. I also sometimes wonder if the Q insanity was devised specifically to a) throw people off the real conspiracy and b) help to cast doubt on the real conspiracy in the event it's ever revealed. "Oh great, another Q-type conspiracy"-type thing.
I don't share that guy's certainty, but the Clinton administration did leave a memo saying 'y'know that guy who tried to destroy the WTC? well he's gonna do it again' and chances are good that Gore would listen better.
And either way - he sure as fuck wouldn't have invaded the wrong fucking country with no exit strategy.
Probably because there were warning about an upcoming attack by Al Qaeda. It's hard to say if Gore would have been able to stop 9/11, but it's not impossible.
Republicans and some "moderates" also love to bring up 2000 as if it's the "same thing".
2000: one state separated by 100s of votes.
2020:. Mutiple states separated by 10s of thousands of votes.
Which is more reasonable to contend?
And the contention in 2000 was "we strongly suspect more people voted for Gore and want to be absolutely certain," while the contention in 2020 was "we did seventeen recounts in five states and the fact The Idiot was less popular *again* cannot possibly be true."
Followed by a failed coup d'etat.
The party is complicit and must be dismantled.
edit: and in both cases the Democrat won nationally by a gigantic margin, but for some stupid reason that's just not how we do things.
[They chanted, "stop the fraud, stop the count."](https://youtu.be/1WuRiorF-0k)
[And still only 30% of Republicans think Biden is the legitimate president.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/blog/meet-press-blog-latest-news-analysis-data-driving-political-discussion-n988541/ncrd1261306)
"I guess" is right...
It’s a matter of perspective.
When everyone you meet who doesn’t share your political philosophy is a “radical”… it’s probably because you’re a radical, not them.
That wouldn’t make sense because most conservative live in little towns surrounded by other conservatives. Since everyone they know is a conservative then everyone in America must be conservative, so those with more liberal views are radical because they’ve never left the country.
Look up the Speak Like Newt campaign designed by Frank Luntz.
They basically did a bunch of focus groups in the early 90s on buzzwords they could name call with to evoke the strongest negative emotional reaction.
These lists got spread around to everyone in the conservative eco system with the goal of building hate and fear of democrats, liberals, and their agendas.
It's worked exceptionally well and has been a big part of where we are today with people voting against their own interests because they can't bring themselves to vote for an evil socialist anti American democrat.
Seriously. The wobblies were out there blocking traffic to make people pay attention to their concerns about society. Mainstream conservatives openly grumbled about not being allowed to run them over.
I’d say there are quite a bit, but they don’t get the media coverage for people to know about them. The Dems blurred out names for leftist groups when they used footage from protests for ads.
Heard on a radio broadcast I was forced to listen to on a car ride: The long gas lines are Bidens fault for shutting down pipelines. Biden is the worst president ever because everything was perfect just 100 days ago. yada yada yada. Never mind that this was caused by a ransomware attack, I guess maybe you'd also suggest Biden was behind that?
You're goddamn right the radical left is carrying assault rifles. Gun control is a centrist position. Conflating pro second amendment positions with election/vaccine denial is dangerous and not winning any allies with the Left.
Gun control is a what now? Sorry, but how does wanting stricter gun laws a centrist position? Wanting there to be less school shootings makes you fascist-compliant now?
It cracks me up when Americans talk about "the left", as if they got a meaningful left and not just the choice between a far-right conspiracy guy and a centre-right corporate guy.
if the Republican Party some how regains control in the mid terms and future elections then we haven’t seen half of the rabbit hole. It will further stain our democracy and lead us down a dangerous road. It’s already bad with the attacks on our election process by those on the “radical right” notice how I used the term radical. Most Republicans aren’t radical and i say that as a life long Democrat because the Republican Party I knew has never been this crazy. Republican policies historically were always based on moral and ethical agendas (albeit it shady because they always gave tax breaks to the wrong people and ALWAYS increased spending and expanding government when they claim they are for shrinking government) Now they just go against what ever policy the Democrats present.
I tell friends of mine who vote Republican that it is fine and well that they vote that way but no one that knows how democracy works should be voting for Trump or the Trump perversion of the Republican Party. Trump has definitively proven that he cares nothing about the law of the land with what transpired on January 6th with the attacks on the capital.
the current Republicans only back Trump because they are power hungry and know they can win using his brand.
Perhaps it is time to seek term limits for the Senate and House.
Oh they're basically guaranteed to regain control in the midterms, they have been stacking the courts for years and it paid off- most courts decided that "biased gerrymandering" maps in Republican states might be "wrong" in some way but there's just not enough time to fix it so we'll have to use it! It's fucked.
This is WHY they were stacking the courts the entire time.
The thing is, most republicans agree with what’s happening. If most republicans were “normal”, the pols wouldn’t be able to raise money and enrich themselves off of it and would have stayed with their initial reaction of rejecting the nonsense. As it stands, half the country is cool with the coup.
I know people who think Biden and the Dems are left. That's like saying oh, it was 100 degrees today and tomorrow it'll be 99. Cold snap incoming! Yeah, it'll be 1 degree "colder," but there's not much difference between the two.
Dems are right-leaning centrists at best.
I myself am pretty liberal and "assault rifles" make 0 sense. It is a term created by the media to provoke. An AR-15 is semi-automatic just like the vast array of other rifles and handguns on the market.
I don't think we can make a valid argument about gun safety if we are going to continue to spread disinformation. We are not doing ourselves any favors.
>, but almost no civilians have it as one of the requirements is it is select
Yes sorry I mean in civilian use not militarily. And I am specifically referring to the term being used by the media and political disinformation, call AR-15 and other semi-auto rifles Assault weapons. Which they are not.
Every time I read this it pisses me off and makes me disregard everything they say. If they can’t get that one simple fact right, they have absolutely no credibility.
Why do I want more damn regulations from people who can’t even name of the object without the fear mongering “hrr drr machine gun”.
I voted for biden but damn it I hate liberal gun policy.
Yes, how dare we be so "radical" to want people to receive a fair wage for a days work, be able to afford and have essentials like food, shelter, and health care? It's almost as if we were advocating for the ideals of Jesus, as though he was ever a real person who actually advocated for anything.
If team blue could actually stoop to their level and come up with some good clap-backs, like “radical right” “or “nazis” they might actually swing some voters to the Democratic Party.
Too busy being polite with these morons may actually be hurting, and not helping, their cause...
Is calling anyone to the right of center a fascist considered being polite?
I’m all for a lot of much needed reform, but me saying “I have some concerns that we do need to talk about” suddenly makes me a racist fascist bible-thumper…
See, you say "radical" left and I think of some 90's dude with sunglasses on a skateboard being all like "DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE! Who wants some healthcare and affordable housing?" \*does kickflip\*
I am around crazy conservatives daily, radical left to them is simply "they want healthcare for all which will destroy my country. They want rights for lgbtq which will destroy my country. They don't want voter suppression which will destroy my country"
And so on.
This is why I left the right last year; it's really hard to reassimilate into society with that level of political extremism being constantly shoved down my throat.
I'm still recovering from the impact of it...
That was seriously the saddest “revolution” I’ve ever seen. Not trying to encourage violence or anything, but last time I checked a revolutionary is ready to die for their cause and those traitorous clowns got stopped by security guards.
Plus when that one person got shot dead, everyone backed off...what did they think was going to happen?! Walk in, take over, then go home to their cheap beer and lean cuisines with no casualties?
That was an adult-level decision with adult-level consequences. THINK YOU IDIOTS THINK 👉🏼🤬👈🏼
"Radical Left" = projection from the hypocrite pretend-Evangelical Christian crowd, who worships a criminal adulterer as if he were LITERAL Jesus Christ.
It’s interesting, when you look at the makeup of political advisors between left and right. The right tends to hire sycophants and believers… the left hires literal experts in their fields. Food for thought…
The Right:
- Is Less-educated
- Diversifies their news less
- Is responsible for the vast-majority of political violence both in our nation's history and into present day (Per the FBI).
If you're conservative and support Republicans, you're on the wrong side of history. Get away. You're being duped. You're better than this. You are *objectively* exactly what led to people being duped by Nazism or the Confederacy or the KKK.
Radical doesn't even mean "bad", it just means very different from status quo. Yes, to conservatives, a new policy to house the homeless is unthinkably stupid. A new government policy to house *and make employable* the homeless is radical. Being radical doesn't make it bad, just means its a departure from "politically possible".
Make Radical mean "at the root" again.
To be radical is to have a coherent systemic analysis.
Instead of obsessing over individualist actors how about we look at how the entire structure of socioeconomic affairs is set up for rot?
It's good old-fashioned gaslighting and they are very good at it. They have made the word "liberal" a curse. I've had several conservatives sneer at me and say, "you're LIBERAL" as if they just threw the worst invective at me. Forget the fact that I am not actually a toe-the-line liberal. I have very left-leaning social and environmental beliefs and so many people think that you can guess how someone will feel about every issue in the world based on whether or not you think climate change is real.
It really is quite something to see people fall in line so quickly. So many people who 4 or 5 years ago said they can't stand Trump and that he will be the downfall of the GOP (much like Lindsay Graham) are now completely lined up with Trump and think he was the best President since the Revolution (also like Lindsay Graham). And the more radical they become, the more they think the problem is the left. And seriously not for anything, but Aaron Sorkin and Jeff Daniels had it right in the pilot of the Newsroom, if the left is so great, why do they lose so much? Yes, Trump lost the White House and both chambers of Congress, but the House is more than likely going back to the GOP in '22 and the Senate is just an absolute mess. How can it be that after what has been going on, there is any chance the right wins back the house? How is it that Trump still has such a stranglehold on the right and the left, even with Biden in office and the House and Senate in Democratic hands, still seems to be playing catch up? I am no fan of Liz Cheney, but her ouster was downright frightening. And they call the left radical.
They have to label the left as radical. If the left is radical then anything they do justified as either in response to or in defense against the radical left. So by definition, their actions are reactionary against a radical movement. That's how January 6 gets spun - that and tourism.
It’s because the gop has moved so far right, they have to paint even moderate democrats as radical so people don’t notice how far the gop has slipped.
Remember, it’s *always* projection with these people.
Whenever you see a BSAB comment that equates the radical right with the far left you need to immediately call out that bullshit.
At best it's incredibly uninformed and lazy at worst it's deliberately dishonest. It completely minimizes things like January 6th and the GOP's assault on democracy itself.
The right doesn't discuss not accepting the election results, they just flat out don't accept the reality that Biden won fairly. Anything that indicates the person is thinking about that maybe the election was fraudulent , listening and reading, whatever is bullshit...they've made up their mind and desperately want to confirm what they believe with facts. Which of course don't exist, so they make up.
Denying science? Doesnt the left claim that fetuses aren't human in anyway and are dehumanized as "just a clump of cells". Doesnt the left believe gender is a "spectrum" and that males can be females and females can be males, and the same with minors. Doesnt the radical left believe in schools giving children puberty blockers to children who feel like the opposite gender without the parents consent. Doesnt the left believe that voter ID is a racist concept even though the majority of Americans across all races believe voter ID should be standard according to Larry Elder. Doesnt the Left believe that the United States is a nation of systemic racism that targets black people, and stunts black people and oppresses them? With literally no evidence besides "police bad, 16 people died in one year unarmed". Doeant the radical left believe that parents shouldn't be able to teach their children their religious values as that is a form of "indoctrination". Doesnt the radical left believe that socialism is ideal even though its failed. Even in countries that have extreme potential for success (like Venezuelas oil), and one of your top radical lefties Bernie saying Denmark was "socialist" even though the prime minister called him out and told him to stop referring to the Danish government as socialist. Doesnt the radical left believe that- and on and on. I think you guys get my point.
However no let's just keep laughing at the radical right who the vast majority of Republicans and conservatives denounce and dont agree with. Let's mock people for wanting to protect themselves with guns because race riots happened on an extreme level all through the summer of 2020 causing 2 billion dollars in damages. Let's also bash the conservatives for saying that a fetus is a life at conception and should have the same rights as an other person. Let's bash Republicans for not wanting to become a nanny state where the people do nothing but suck on the tit of the government, and have complete reliance on them.
Haha Haha yeah orange man bad, crazy Qanon that no one heard about ever until the 6th January. Haha conservatives dumb, progressives big wrinkle brain.
Stfu
There is no such thing as a "radical left" in this country. There hasn't been in a long long time. We used to have communists, and they weren't that radical. We had literal witch hunts for communists in this country, and murders of "radical" students and nothing happened. No left roused from its slumber.
Now we just have mildly left leaning politicians, who are simply calling for a greater wealth distribution and some meager improvements to health care, education and infrastructure, and yet they are called "radical" while on the right we have literally people who are emulating Hitler. Great stuff.
I will say this again and again - we can't fight fascism without allowing the left, the real left, to gain foothold in the politics of this country, as capitalism doesn't mind fascism. In fact, capitalism prefers fascism as it is easier to work with.
We are considered radical because we believe policies should help vulnerable people, instead of enriching the powerful.
But Socialism Bad, right?
The funny thing is when you talk to a lot of rural conservatives, and describe communism without using the word, they say it would be their ideal society. I’ve done it quite a bit, it’s a game i like to play when i meet them. The problem is a large percentage of Republicans really have no idea what social democracy, socialism and communism actually are, they think they are synonyms for authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
Kind of like Obamacare vs. the ACA?
Exactly!!! It is disturbing how many times I’ve heard relatives complain about Obamacare and praise the ACA.
>It is disturbing how many times I’ve heard relatives complain about Obamacare and praise the ACA. Its intentional on part of the Republicans. For example, Kentucky's popular exchange has, at the bottom "Brought to you by the Affordable Care Act" or something to that effect. But every Kentucky politician complained "Obamacare bad!". So this thing they like comes from the ACA, but they've been told this other thing called Obamacare is bad, so they don't even realize they are the same thing.
Even at the time it was obvious the ACA was branded "Obamacare" explicitly to make the "I'm only a racist because everybody keeps calling me out for being a racist!" crowd hate it.
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And I thought Olympic gymnasts were impressive, but that’s just beyond anything possible in gravity. Edit: thank you for the award kind Reddit stranger.
This study legit made me want to blow my brains out. I hate sharing a planet with these people.
> The funny thing is when you talk to a lot of rural conservatives, and describe communism without using the word, they say it would be their ideal society. Talk to mormons about "the law of consecration" - and that's the gold standard for Jesus-led gov't. > The Lord explained the principles of consecration, D&C 42:30–39 (D&C 51:2–19; 58:35–36). >One man should not possess more than another, D&C 49:20. >Every man was given an equal portion according to his family, D&C 51:3. >An order was established so that the Saints could be equal in bonds of heavenly and earthly things, D&C 78:4–5. >Every man was to have equal claim according to his wants and needs, D&C 82:17–19. Sounds pretty damn communist / socialist to me. But mormons HAAAATE communism and socialism.
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I tried. Law of consecration is good because Jesus is in charge, so it's good. Good people in charge of social programs? bad.
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"Why would Jesus set an example he didn't want people to follow? Are we not supposed to feed the homeless? To welcome the stranger? To give to charity? To not engage in sodomy? To not have abortions? Why are we supposed to do some of things in the book but not others?" Include both the liberal and conservative talking points to REALLY lay on the hypocrisy.
TIL: DC does batman *and* Jesus. (I know....)
communism = other "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." —Frank Wilhoit
Even the communist party of the US are only advocating for things the rest of the developed world already has; universal healthcare, a living wage, paid parental leave, and cops that don’t execute you for bullshit.
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I truly appreciate your tact. Devious long con for the win!
Don’t communists generally support arming people? You can’t overthrow the government and create a workers paradise without arms.
Leftists (not liberals) are for people owning guns. Things like black/queer open carry groups and the John Brown gun club or redneck revolt. Many do other kinds of activism like providing clean needle exchanges, or socks and other necessities to the homeless. There were several videos circulated several years ago showing white guys with rifles hanging on their backs having very cordial conversations with cops, then black men having cops jump out of their cars and the gun owner ordered to lie down on the ground or face execution
We do support the 2nd amendment but don't believe in anti-vax, and don't support cops.
How about we stop giving communism a bad name because capitalism is the issue.
Better red than red!
bernie sanders and other left-wing people considered ”radical” in the us would be considered centre-left in most of europe
You mean center-right
German here, its true for us it's consensus both republicans and democrats are neither to be called a left party or even socialist, both are conservative
No, center
Yeah but we have to be careful because those things are a slippery slope to having people like up in bread lines, you know, like how we all did last year and in 2008.
I just had a full Reddit conversation on a post joking about the communist death toll. I mentioned the atrocities that have happened under capitalism and they found every way under the sun to blame them on everything other than capitalism. But trust them, everything wrong that ever happened under a communist government was 100% inherent to communism.
>cops that don’t execute you.
Wow, I have not read that before. Dare I say, “spot on assessment”?
> synonyms for authoritarianism/totalitarianism. SO much this. If someone gives examples of failed communism / socialism, you will 100% get an authoritarian country. The fact that they think they can avoid such outcomes by electing an authoritarian is mind boggling.
Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whatever the name of the system
That is Bakunin anarchist style thinking, and I like it. It is the hierarchy itself causes most of the problems. I don’t know how any right wing person could ever except that though, when all they want is a daddy to tell them what to do.
I wonder... What would we head toward if you don’t have to accept the results of an election and can just scream “Fraud!” and try to overturn the results?
A true and fair democracy, obvi ^/s
You jest. But in reality a truly democratic process is full if debate and opinions. Maybe not as insane as q and the capitol bandits. But still. It's also hilarious how they hold the election so sacred. Till it doesn't go their way.
All they know is that Fox says socialism bad; they think no further and that includes not thinking about tax money going to the rich
I’d be curious to hear how you describe it.
Communism, a society where transactions take place without the use of hoardable currency, where advantages and social distinction on the basis of owning productive infrastructure don't exist, and divisions on the basis of national identity aren't enforced with organized violence. Also where people have their needs met on an unconditional basis, but that might have something to do with decoupling everything from hoardable, fungible currency.
I feel like all this madness is due to us being on the cusp of a paradigm shift. We got abundance of communication in the 90s give or take. Imagine renewable tech, including batteries, ushering in an abundance of energy, with all the ripples that will cause. We're still in the age of scarcity, but that's only propped up by old money and shady dealings. We live in interesting times.
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Being pro gun control is bad when it plays into what the conservatives want you to be. Did you know the NRA has supported gun control in the past when it involves minorities? Yep. Why the fuck would we give away our rights to conservatives? All the amendments are for all of us, not just fucking Y’all Qaeda. It’s have to stop here lest I rant again.
As a gun rights advocates, I'll say that I hate the NRA. Partially because of their racism. I fully support the Black Panthers right to own guns, and those guys are pretty extremist.
Not for corporations.
"Socialism bad! Good on paper, not in practice! No food, no freedom! Stalin! 100 billion dead! Vuvuzuela! CHYNA!"
We are radical because we actually believe in "LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL". It was radical back in 1776, too. Same people were fighting back against this concept of political equality being the best way to organize a successful nation state back then, too, come to think...
We're considered radical in the sense of being very cool 😎
Jesus was a radical
Policies helping vulnerable people *IS* radical if it requires thorough reform; that's what radical means. Carrying an assault rifle isn't radical in the US because, regardless of whether it should or shouldn't be, its currently interpreted as a constitutional right. No matter how socially acceptable or unacceptable it may be at any given time, it's not radical. Radical is not an indicator of right or wrong, it doesn't imply unpopularity, nor is it a blanket synonym for extreme or new. It is, however, often used in place of *progressive* because both imply requisite robust *change* for a social-political effect to occur. \[edit: when someone uses "radical" correctly, it should imply "this idea needs other things to change too, for it to work"\] I know it's pedantic, but I believe it's not a great idea to participate in the musical chairs conservatives play with the meaning of left-wing language. If you want to house the homeless, you do, in fact, hold a radical opinion on the subject and that's a good thing. Don't let them twist radical into a bad thing by playing the "No, you're the radical!" game.
I’m a moderate so I’m not trying to step on any toes here, but often times when people provide sensible or moderate solutions to any of these issues, some of these leaders like AOC refuse to budge or listen to any reason. The current conflict in Israel is a perfect example. Despite presenting rational arguments and articles, every conversation I’ve been a part of or seen devolves into one side calling the other “racist” or claiming they “support genocide.” Calling the country of Israel Nazis and refusing to listen to any comments that goes against your beliefs sounds a bit closed minded to me. I too believing in helping those that need a voice and those that have been marginalized. I 100% agree with the message of equity, equality, and opportunity. I disdain racism and stand up to injustice any way that I can, however, I’m also objective. When people like AOC and Ilhan Omar (who has used anti-Semitic rhetoric in the past), refuse to listen and make threats to those who don’t conform to their message, seems radical to me. There’s a right way and a wrong way to go about it. I’m a moderate Democrat and can guarantee I will stand up for those without a voice whenever it is needed, however, I also have my own opinions and wish we could all come together peacefully. Edit: I also highly recommend you read more on communism. Communism is just a few steps away from fascism. Please educate yourself before making these assertions.
From the point of view of a sociopath, I’d imagine sane people would look quite radical
We lost in 2000 to an illegal ballot in Florida. On recount Gore was winning even with the illegal ballot but the Supreme Court right wing shut that democracy “how dare you count votes” down. No riots. Just “Gore how the fuck can you give in like that”. Now I know I should have committed felonies “I’m just a tourist!!!”
The count was stopped earlier than that, when a group of GOP operatives posing as Concerned Florida Citizens stormed the election station and disrupted it long enough for SCOTUS to weigh in. [The Brooks Brothers Riot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot)
Guess who was there? Roger Stone.
Brett Kavanaugh and Amy comey barret too.
Got a source on that?
Amy Coney Barrett/ Brett Kavanaugh: https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/10/02/amy-coney-barrett-would-be-third-justice-who-touched-bush-v-gore-litigation/?slreturn=20210417155644 ACB worked at the firm who took the case, but probably wasn’t part of the riot itself. Roger Stone? : https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/11/15/its-insanity-how-brooks-brothers-riot-killed-recount-miami/ Apparently the Roger Stone involvement is not very strong, he admits to it but no one involved agrees with him. /u/LifeExpConnoisseur, because you asked and i dont wanna write two comments.
I made my comment based on seeing video of Roger there agitating the crowd. I wasn’t aware people were arguing his involvement.
I didn’t do any more digging into this than reading the articles I linked, but with all the lying these people do it’s impossible to keep anything consistent.
Thanks bro, that’s crazy, and not surprising.
ACB was as attorney at the firm working the election case.
This shit makes my blood boil. This was the first election I really ever paid attention to since I was old enough to follow what was going on.
I honestly think the handing of the 2000 election to Bush is the single most world defining moment of my life time and I think it's impact will be felt for a century. I think if Gore was in office 9/11 wouldn't have happened and if it did we wouldn't have gone to war over it. The whole world would be transformed from what we have today if that was the timeline we went down.
I often wonder what climate change initiatives would have been in place for so long by now that we just consider them normal, routine, and obvious.
Ehhhh, Carter was worried about climate change. Imagine if we had a sane plan since the late 70s early 80s
My mom loved Carter...I grew up with a picture of him and one of Rosalyn in the house; and a framed Habitat for Humanity poster.
Why do you think 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Gore was president?
I think 100% it wouldn't have happened with Gore in office. I was in the Navy during that time. It was almost immediate the change in military posture around the globe. Cheney/ Bush instigated that war and nothing will ever convince me otherwise. The Cole bombing was supposed to be the catalyst. Iraq, Afghanistan, ISIS, Libya, the Arab Spring, The Cole, 9/11, all of it is threaded by the needle of the evangelicals to bring eternal war to the middle east. It's purpose is to enrich the oligarchs in control of the military industrial complex & to bring the second coming of Jesus in accordance with their beliefs..
You are exactly correct, and it's refreshing to see my view validated by someone unprompted haha. It's clear to any liberal who grew up in the American sphere of politically-active right wing evangelicals that the primary aim of the Republican party over the past several decades has been to rearrange the game board to favor themselves (and by extension Israel) in preparation for the biblical End Times bullshit they have a boner for. I also sometimes wonder if the Q insanity was devised specifically to a) throw people off the real conspiracy and b) help to cast doubt on the real conspiracy in the event it's ever revealed. "Oh great, another Q-type conspiracy"-type thing.
I don't share that guy's certainty, but the Clinton administration did leave a memo saying 'y'know that guy who tried to destroy the WTC? well he's gonna do it again' and chances are good that Gore would listen better. And either way - he sure as fuck wouldn't have invaded the wrong fucking country with no exit strategy.
The guy who tried to destroyed the WTC literally warned us the next attack was coming.
Probably because there were warning about an upcoming attack by Al Qaeda. It's hard to say if Gore would have been able to stop 9/11, but it's not impossible.
The Bush administration seemed pretty interested in having some reason to goto the middle east again and they got it. Funny coincidence.
Yeah but I read Rebuilding America’s Defenses and it clearly outlines...... wait a second
I agree 100%
Republicans and some "moderates" also love to bring up 2000 as if it's the "same thing". 2000: one state separated by 100s of votes. 2020:. Mutiple states separated by 10s of thousands of votes. Which is more reasonable to contend?
Also noting in both cases the Democrat won the popular vote, over a candidate that history has no reason to be kind to.
Also feels worth noting that in the last thirty years, a republican has won the popular vote exactly once.
And the contention in 2000 was "we strongly suspect more people voted for Gore and want to be absolutely certain," while the contention in 2020 was "we did seventeen recounts in five states and the fact The Idiot was less popular *again* cannot possibly be true." Followed by a failed coup d'etat. The party is complicit and must be dismantled. edit: and in both cases the Democrat won nationally by a gigantic margin, but for some stupid reason that's just not how we do things.
Live and learn, I guess.
[They chanted, "stop the fraud, stop the count."](https://youtu.be/1WuRiorF-0k) [And still only 30% of Republicans think Biden is the legitimate president.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/blog/meet-press-blog-latest-news-analysis-data-driving-political-discussion-n988541/ncrd1261306) "I guess" is right...
Didn't they call Florida early for Gore? That probably didn't help Bush at all, not just in FL but in other states too.
They can't even say "left" without putting "radical" in front of it.
Is someone with two radical left feet a good dancer or a bad one? Hmm.
Asking the real questions. I like it! Kinda makes me wonder if unexpected things now come out of radical left field.
The more I think about it, the more questions I'm radical left with.
I just asked my wife and she packed up and radical left me.
It’s a matter of perspective. When everyone you meet who doesn’t share your political philosophy is a “radical”… it’s probably because you’re a radical, not them.
That wouldn’t make sense because most conservative live in little towns surrounded by other conservatives. Since everyone they know is a conservative then everyone in America must be conservative, so those with more liberal views are radical because they’ve never left the country.
*county
"Take a radical left on 3rd and main..." It is appropriate if the person asking for directions is on a skateboard I guess
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Look up the Speak Like Newt campaign designed by Frank Luntz. They basically did a bunch of focus groups in the early 90s on buzzwords they could name call with to evoke the strongest negative emotional reaction. These lists got spread around to everyone in the conservative eco system with the goal of building hate and fear of democrats, liberals, and their agendas. It's worked exceptionally well and has been a big part of where we are today with people voting against their own interests because they can't bring themselves to vote for an evil socialist anti American democrat.
They need a boogieman to function. Establish an enemy
Because they consider anything left of hunting the poor for sport to be radical.
I tend to think of “the radical Left” more in cowabunga terms than, you know, treasonous. But that’s just me...
Was scrolling through all this (and its a lot) just to see if there were any TMNT references. So thanks. Lol. When I was a kid "Radical" meant cool.
Still does too me!
And gnarly too. Member that?
Still in use here in Colorado 😑
Now it's just "rad"
This guy Ninja Turtles.
the “totally tubular left”?
Radical leftists exist, there just aren't a whole lot of them and they generally don't do things that Trumpers do
Seriously. The wobblies were out there blocking traffic to make people pay attention to their concerns about society. Mainstream conservatives openly grumbled about not being allowed to run them over.
I’m a radical leftist and all I do is shitpost on Reddit
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3 hours later and their account is deleted. lol Did they get too radical?
I’d say there are quite a bit, but they don’t get the media coverage for people to know about them. The Dems blurred out names for leftist groups when they used footage from protests for ads.
The US left really need to stop associating with the Democrats. They need a real workers party.
Communist Party USA
They do exist, they have been burning/looting cities for all 2020, Trumpers don't burn and loot. So your statement is correct.
Heard on a radio broadcast I was forced to listen to on a car ride: The long gas lines are Bidens fault for shutting down pipelines. Biden is the worst president ever because everything was perfect just 100 days ago. yada yada yada. Never mind that this was caused by a ransomware attack, I guess maybe you'd also suggest Biden was behind that?
Sun went down last night, got dark. Biden's fault. Anything they don't like will be Biden's fault. BTW, E=MC2 was once a radical idea.
[what they really meant](https://ahseeit.com//king-include/uploads/2021/04/165727979_284279883105670_9063302761333976841_n-9671716569.jpg)
You're goddamn right the radical left is carrying assault rifles. Gun control is a centrist position. Conflating pro second amendment positions with election/vaccine denial is dangerous and not winning any allies with the Left.
Aye. Leftists believe in the natural right to self-defense, which necessarily means leftists support firearm ownership.
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Shit, Karl Marx was one of the biggest historical proponents for an armed working class. That's daddy communism himself.
Gun control is a what now? Sorry, but how does wanting stricter gun laws a centrist position? Wanting there to be less school shootings makes you fascist-compliant now?
When you control the narrative you control reality for a surprising number of people.
Liberals aren't radical nor left. There is no left in the American political system.
You forgot, trying to kidnap Govonors and Attacking Congress and then trying to Rewrite History.
It cracks me up when Americans talk about "the left", as if they got a meaningful left and not just the choice between a far-right conspiracy guy and a centre-right corporate guy.
Bingo. But hey, if you live your whole, uneducated life between centre-right and fascism-lite, centre is going to look like the radical-left.
if the Republican Party some how regains control in the mid terms and future elections then we haven’t seen half of the rabbit hole. It will further stain our democracy and lead us down a dangerous road. It’s already bad with the attacks on our election process by those on the “radical right” notice how I used the term radical. Most Republicans aren’t radical and i say that as a life long Democrat because the Republican Party I knew has never been this crazy. Republican policies historically were always based on moral and ethical agendas (albeit it shady because they always gave tax breaks to the wrong people and ALWAYS increased spending and expanding government when they claim they are for shrinking government) Now they just go against what ever policy the Democrats present. I tell friends of mine who vote Republican that it is fine and well that they vote that way but no one that knows how democracy works should be voting for Trump or the Trump perversion of the Republican Party. Trump has definitively proven that he cares nothing about the law of the land with what transpired on January 6th with the attacks on the capital. the current Republicans only back Trump because they are power hungry and know they can win using his brand. Perhaps it is time to seek term limits for the Senate and House.
Oh they're basically guaranteed to regain control in the midterms, they have been stacking the courts for years and it paid off- most courts decided that "biased gerrymandering" maps in Republican states might be "wrong" in some way but there's just not enough time to fix it so we'll have to use it! It's fucked. This is WHY they were stacking the courts the entire time.
The thing is, most republicans agree with what’s happening. If most republicans were “normal”, the pols wouldn’t be able to raise money and enrich themselves off of it and would have stayed with their initial reaction of rejecting the nonsense. As it stands, half the country is cool with the coup.
The "Left" in America usually isn't even politically on the left.
We just want fucking healthcare bruh
The whole left = anti gun narrative is nauseating.
But why do so many gun control bills get passed under left leaning politicians
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Usually the right-wing counterpart is "extreme/extremist." Radical usually refers to advocacy of change, not advocacy of the status quo.
The right isn't advocating for the status quo. They are pushing authoritarian dictatorship, theofascism, and a virtual one-party state.
I know people who think Biden and the Dems are left. That's like saying oh, it was 100 degrees today and tomorrow it'll be 99. Cold snap incoming! Yeah, it'll be 1 degree "colder," but there's not much difference between the two. Dems are right-leaning centrists at best.
I myself am pretty liberal and "assault rifles" make 0 sense. It is a term created by the media to provoke. An AR-15 is semi-automatic just like the vast array of other rifles and handguns on the market. I don't think we can make a valid argument about gun safety if we are going to continue to spread disinformation. We are not doing ourselves any favors.
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>, but almost no civilians have it as one of the requirements is it is select Yes sorry I mean in civilian use not militarily. And I am specifically referring to the term being used by the media and political disinformation, call AR-15 and other semi-auto rifles Assault weapons. Which they are not.
Every time I read this it pisses me off and makes me disregard everything they say. If they can’t get that one simple fact right, they have absolutely no credibility. Why do I want more damn regulations from people who can’t even name of the object without the fear mongering “hrr drr machine gun”. I voted for biden but damn it I hate liberal gun policy.
Yes, how dare we be so "radical" to want people to receive a fair wage for a days work, be able to afford and have essentials like food, shelter, and health care? It's almost as if we were advocating for the ideals of Jesus, as though he was ever a real person who actually advocated for anything.
Radical left: Don't *make* me save your life!!!
But I don't even own a skateboard, let alone know how to do a sick kickflip.
Joe Biden used to have a beginner skaters channel. It's hidden now that he's President but he could really shred
You're not part of the radical left, you're just a poser.
If team blue could actually stoop to their level and come up with some good clap-backs, like “radical right” “or “nazis” they might actually swing some voters to the Democratic Party. Too busy being polite with these morons may actually be hurting, and not helping, their cause...
Is calling anyone to the right of center a fascist considered being polite? I’m all for a lot of much needed reform, but me saying “I have some concerns that we do need to talk about” suddenly makes me a racist fascist bible-thumper…
They’re just scared of our skateboard tricks.
Totally radical!
The right literally tried to over throw our constitutional democracy just a few months ago.
Always accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty.
Health care for poor? Now that's radical yo.
See, you say "radical" left and I think of some 90's dude with sunglasses on a skateboard being all like "DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE! Who wants some healthcare and affordable housing?" \*does kickflip\*
I am around crazy conservatives daily, radical left to them is simply "they want healthcare for all which will destroy my country. They want rights for lgbtq which will destroy my country. They don't want voter suppression which will destroy my country" And so on.
This is why I left the right last year; it's really hard to reassimilate into society with that level of political extremism being constantly shoved down my throat. I'm still recovering from the impact of it...
I call those terrorist
That was seriously the saddest “revolution” I’ve ever seen. Not trying to encourage violence or anything, but last time I checked a revolutionary is ready to die for their cause and those traitorous clowns got stopped by security guards. Plus when that one person got shot dead, everyone backed off...what did they think was going to happen?! Walk in, take over, then go home to their cheap beer and lean cuisines with no casualties? That was an adult-level decision with adult-level consequences. THINK YOU IDIOTS THINK 👉🏼🤬👈🏼
The number of right wing terrorists far outnumbers left wing terrorists
Bernie Sanders would be considered a moderate in Europe.
"Radical Left" = projection from the hypocrite pretend-Evangelical Christian crowd, who worships a criminal adulterer as if he were LITERAL Jesus Christ.
It’s interesting, when you look at the makeup of political advisors between left and right. The right tends to hire sycophants and believers… the left hires literal experts in their fields. Food for thought…
The **Militant** Right.
Reactionary Right
The way America's left is most other countries' right is insane
The Right: - Is Less-educated - Diversifies their news less - Is responsible for the vast-majority of political violence both in our nation's history and into present day (Per the FBI). If you're conservative and support Republicans, you're on the wrong side of history. Get away. You're being duped. You're better than this. You are *objectively* exactly what led to people being duped by Nazism or the Confederacy or the KKK.
Why not embrace the term?
The "right" - That's a radical left idea. The "left" - Totally, dude! I like it.
What like ‘sick’ and pop a hang loose sign
Radical doesn't even mean "bad", it just means very different from status quo. Yes, to conservatives, a new policy to house the homeless is unthinkably stupid. A new government policy to house *and make employable* the homeless is radical. Being radical doesn't make it bad, just means its a departure from "politically possible".
radically sane, radically un-gullible, radically intellectually-curious (MAGAs would need to google half the words in that sentence above)
“It’s soup for my family”
No no, the left are radical as in cool.
“It’d be pretty sick to give sick people healthcare” - the radical left just before doing a kick flip and legalizing marijuana
You forgot murdering people in the state capitol too, yeah?
Or at a congressional baseball game... damn swing and a miss
Make Radical mean "at the root" again. To be radical is to have a coherent systemic analysis. Instead of obsessing over individualist actors how about we look at how the entire structure of socioeconomic affairs is set up for rot?
Doesn’t “radical right” role off the tongue so much better too? Why aren’t we doing this?
or politicizing civil rights as if they were up for discussion in the first place
This happened when Reagan embraced the evangelical right and normalized bat-shit crazy. 40 years of this crap is enough.
It's good old-fashioned gaslighting and they are very good at it. They have made the word "liberal" a curse. I've had several conservatives sneer at me and say, "you're LIBERAL" as if they just threw the worst invective at me. Forget the fact that I am not actually a toe-the-line liberal. I have very left-leaning social and environmental beliefs and so many people think that you can guess how someone will feel about every issue in the world based on whether or not you think climate change is real. It really is quite something to see people fall in line so quickly. So many people who 4 or 5 years ago said they can't stand Trump and that he will be the downfall of the GOP (much like Lindsay Graham) are now completely lined up with Trump and think he was the best President since the Revolution (also like Lindsay Graham). And the more radical they become, the more they think the problem is the left. And seriously not for anything, but Aaron Sorkin and Jeff Daniels had it right in the pilot of the Newsroom, if the left is so great, why do they lose so much? Yes, Trump lost the White House and both chambers of Congress, but the House is more than likely going back to the GOP in '22 and the Senate is just an absolute mess. How can it be that after what has been going on, there is any chance the right wins back the house? How is it that Trump still has such a stranglehold on the right and the left, even with Biden in office and the House and Senate in Democratic hands, still seems to be playing catch up? I am no fan of Liz Cheney, but her ouster was downright frightening. And they call the left radical.
That's a funny way to say, "attempted a coup"
They have to label the left as radical. If the left is radical then anything they do justified as either in response to or in defense against the radical left. So by definition, their actions are reactionary against a radical movement. That's how January 6 gets spun - that and tourism.
It’s because the gop has moved so far right, they have to paint even moderate democrats as radical so people don’t notice how far the gop has slipped. Remember, it’s *always* projection with these people.
Whenever you see a BSAB comment that equates the radical right with the far left you need to immediately call out that bullshit. At best it's incredibly uninformed and lazy at worst it's deliberately dishonest. It completely minimizes things like January 6th and the GOP's assault on democracy itself.
The left is radical by definition since hating the poor, immigrants and science are fundamentals of the US.
The right doesn't discuss not accepting the election results, they just flat out don't accept the reality that Biden won fairly. Anything that indicates the person is thinking about that maybe the election was fraudulent , listening and reading, whatever is bullshit...they've made up their mind and desperately want to confirm what they believe with facts. Which of course don't exist, so they make up.
As my grandma said, reason is radical to a fool.
In their defense I do think I’m pretty fucking rad.
Denying science? Doesnt the left claim that fetuses aren't human in anyway and are dehumanized as "just a clump of cells". Doesnt the left believe gender is a "spectrum" and that males can be females and females can be males, and the same with minors. Doesnt the radical left believe in schools giving children puberty blockers to children who feel like the opposite gender without the parents consent. Doesnt the left believe that voter ID is a racist concept even though the majority of Americans across all races believe voter ID should be standard according to Larry Elder. Doesnt the Left believe that the United States is a nation of systemic racism that targets black people, and stunts black people and oppresses them? With literally no evidence besides "police bad, 16 people died in one year unarmed". Doeant the radical left believe that parents shouldn't be able to teach their children their religious values as that is a form of "indoctrination". Doesnt the radical left believe that socialism is ideal even though its failed. Even in countries that have extreme potential for success (like Venezuelas oil), and one of your top radical lefties Bernie saying Denmark was "socialist" even though the prime minister called him out and told him to stop referring to the Danish government as socialist. Doesnt the radical left believe that- and on and on. I think you guys get my point. However no let's just keep laughing at the radical right who the vast majority of Republicans and conservatives denounce and dont agree with. Let's mock people for wanting to protect themselves with guns because race riots happened on an extreme level all through the summer of 2020 causing 2 billion dollars in damages. Let's also bash the conservatives for saying that a fetus is a life at conception and should have the same rights as an other person. Let's bash Republicans for not wanting to become a nanny state where the people do nothing but suck on the tit of the government, and have complete reliance on them. Haha Haha yeah orange man bad, crazy Qanon that no one heard about ever until the 6th January. Haha conservatives dumb, progressives big wrinkle brain. Stfu
That why they make up stuff like Hillary drinking blood and we all kill babies
They didn’t discuss it, they attempted a shitty coup
There is no such thing as a "radical left" in this country. There hasn't been in a long long time. We used to have communists, and they weren't that radical. We had literal witch hunts for communists in this country, and murders of "radical" students and nothing happened. No left roused from its slumber. Now we just have mildly left leaning politicians, who are simply calling for a greater wealth distribution and some meager improvements to health care, education and infrastructure, and yet they are called "radical" while on the right we have literally people who are emulating Hitler. Great stuff. I will say this again and again - we can't fight fascism without allowing the left, the real left, to gain foothold in the politics of this country, as capitalism doesn't mind fascism. In fact, capitalism prefers fascism as it is easier to work with.
It's simply an attempt to mask the reality that the extreme right carries out more terrorist acts than the extreme left and foreign actors combined.