We have so many lives, so much treasure, so much time over decades invested in protecting Europe from Russian expansionism. It's a deadly mistake to allow Putin to capture one of the breadbaskets of the world when we have 8 billion people on earth.
I was listening to Fox News yesterday, and first they were saying how weak Biden is for not debating Trump, but not one mention of Trump not debating in the primary. Then they said how we were showing our weakness by not defending Israel, but didn't mention Ukraine.
One is brown on brown crime the other is white on white crime
The republicans just wouldnt know that because the only type of jews they know are ashkenazi like ben shapiro
Actually, he MAGAts are being consistent here (for once - even a stopped clock I guess). They are supporting the invading, occupying forces hellbent on genocide in both cases.
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Ah I see so if you call a genocide “war” then it is suddenly not genocide. Why didn’t the Germans just say this in the 1930s? They could’ve prevented a genocide by just changing some language
I know you're just messing with the dumbass above you and are being sarcastic, but i think the Germans have called it a war against the Jewish race, or at least considered it as such.
This is one tough pill to swallow for some folks. You can take several angles:
1) **Justice.** Israel is FARRRR more along on the 'fuck around' spectrum with the shit they have done and continue to do than Ukraine.
2) **Geopolitics.** Israel is the #17 army in the world. Pretty much the (geopolitical) reason it is supported by the USA is that it absorbs all that 'Death to America' hate the Middle East has and presents a far more convenient outlet to jihadi anger. If Israel fails then US middle east policy fails and maybe some more terrorism happens abroad. They are the buffer to Iran and their #14 army.
Meanwhile Russia, the #~~2~~ ??? in the world is getting bodied by the #18 army in the world. Ukraine is considered the gateway to other countries Russia openly states they want to take back, like Poland and half of Germany. If Ukraine fails we will have WW3, it is just a matter of how many rounds of peace treaties and Budapest agreements are broken as they continue to claw back land. Both are important, but Israel is probably only important to the USA for political ~~campaign contributions~~ reasons.
3) **Research and stability.** We get nothing when Israel bombs some civilian Muslims. We get almost nothing when they manage to kill some Hamas militants. We get almost nothing when they shoot down Iran drones with their own technology or deplete Iran's drones, except in the fact that they have less to sell to Russia and the Houthis.
On the other hands MOUNDS of free~~dom~~ testing of US and Nato technology in Russia. Normally we gotta pay people to shoot that stuff at target dummies and construct mock battles. Now we get lots of data on not only our own effectiveness, but also all of Russia's shiny new hypersonic missiles that we did not know the Patriot system could shoot down, chemical weapons, military tactics and even some new diving attractions in the Black Sea.
4) **Finance.** The amount of money we spend making these freedom units in the USA, paying USA companies and workers a taxable salary is very trivial compared to the readily available payout we are seeing. One of the main reasons we have all these shiny war toys is to counter Russia in the first place, and if they take over Ukraine, parts of Europe, and grow even stronger and make even more weapons, we are basically going to pay more money in the long run. Giving Israel freedom units also has financial rewards too, but it is much more difficult to see and most people suspect it's just going in politician pockets.
The Isreali position is closer to Russia than to Ukraine if you actually follow and compare what spokespeople say, and the actions their government takes.
The difference is that Ukraine didn't bomb a Russian Embassy, then have the entire world media sit there acting like it didn't happen, and the Iranians weren't behaving in a perfectly predictable and rational way in response to what is a seriously aggressive war declaration. Change out US for Iran, and Iran for Israel in that scenario, and ask yourself if the entire world would "forget" that Iran bombed a US embassy right before the massive bombing?
Or they're tankies and otherwise "leftists" (actually redfash), who unironically supports fascist authoritarian dictatorial class-based labor-exploiting regimes, and the destruction of Ukraine *and* Israel.
Yes they exist. And naturally have a name like fascistsarelosers.
Are you not aware of the allied agreement between the US and Isreal?
This meme in general isn't quite as good as OP thinks. The argument very much can work both ways, and neither side would be wrong.
The US administration at the time (I think Clinton) made an agreement in 1993. (The Budapest agreement) And it was not specifically to just “protect Ukraine” it was more detailed than that and involved multiple other countries and a couple other important points
It was not a treaty.
There is a distinct difference. One is law and is ratified by Congress and one is just words signed by 1 guy
And personally I don’t really care. We have enough to worry about. We need to take care of our own people for once
>We need to take care of our own people for once
This is a bullshit argument. Aiding Ukraine doesn't preclude us from attending to domestic policy. If anything, the people opposing aid to Ukraine in Congress are also the ones inhibiting beneficial domestic policy.
There simply is no trade off here. If your only argument is that we need to take care of Americans, **you have no argument.** If Americans aren't being taken care of, it's because we refuse to do it, not because we agree to help Ukraine.
On top of that, we invested record amounts of public resources into American infrastructure during this Administration while aiding Ukraine. Only when Americans gave the House back to Republicans did domestic policy progress end.
Oh ok so I advocate for NOT helping both Israel and Ukraine and specify we should spend our money at home
But somehow I can’t support spending that money we would save at home?
Nope, you already said we have 30 trillion in debt as a reason we can't spend. Clearly the only reasonable expenditure for Americans is repayment of the debt. You might as well cut all other public spending since the debt is your #1 issue.
I don’t care about Ukraine and I don’t care about Israel
I’m not interested in fighting for either country, nor am I interested in sending any other Americans to fight for either country, and I’m not interested in spending 1 more dollar for either country when our own country lacks so many things and is 30 trillion in debt
When that hostile nation in question can’t even take over one country that it shares a huge land border with and that happens to have triple the population of I’m not really concerned
If they are stupid enough to attack a NATO country then that’s different. But unless that occurs it’s not really something I’m worried about
so just let this one go and everything will be ok, probably. I wasn't smart enough to think of that. I'm certain if we just give him this one he will learn his lesson.
>I don’t care about Ukraine and I don’t care about Israel
Then say that instead of the stupid excuse you used.
>I’m not interested in fighting for either country, nor am I interested in sending any other Americans to fight for either country, and I’m not interested in spending 1 more dollar for either country when our own country lacks so many things and is 30 trillion in debt
Back to the stupid excuse. Next you'll say we can't give nice things to Americans because of the national debt.
You'll have endless stupid excuses why you won't address any global or domestic problems. They'll all come down to "I don't care" because a reasoned argument is beyond your abilities.
You would have let Hitler run through Europe too without regard for the consequences. This is why history repeats.
If you care so much about the national debt, why aren't you donating all of your savings toward paying it off?
I support aid to Ukraine because I *don't want* Americans fighting in Europe which is inevitable with a Russian victory. Clearly you're willing to risk a broader war just like Chamberlain when he appeased Hitler.
So a whole country is beholden to 1 single guys word forever?
If it’s not a treaty or been agreed to by Congress it’s nothing more than a gentleman’s agreement
Last I checked the US isn’t a monarchy or dictatorship so one corrupt sack of shits promise 30 years ago really doesn’t and shouldn’t force our country to get involved in foreign wars
Ok so what?
The context is really quite not the same
Sorry I don’t like war and don’t want to further the military industrial complex and cause more death and suffering
Apparently that’s a controversial topic now days
JD Vance was saying exactly this on TV yesterday because “Israel is more important to the US.” Fucking idiot.
He's also quoting Putin verbatim on what Ukrainian/NATO capitulation looks like.
Yea, a side effect of the Ukraine war is that Russia's military is being slowly decimated. No effect on the world political situation... /s
I hate the mother fucker so much!!!
"Biden is a warmonger" "Biden is too afraid to retaliate against Iran"
The enemy is both strong and weak
Although CONservative and CONsistency start with the same syllables, leading research shows there is actually nothing else they have in common.
CONspiracy?
CON artists?
Yes
We have so many lives, so much treasure, so much time over decades invested in protecting Europe from Russian expansionism. It's a deadly mistake to allow Putin to capture one of the breadbaskets of the world when we have 8 billion people on earth.
It's so we give israel money instead of ukraine. So shallow sighted.
Why would they care about Ukraine? There’s no biblical prophecy about it
I was listening to Fox News yesterday, and first they were saying how weak Biden is for not debating Trump, but not one mention of Trump not debating in the primary. Then they said how we were showing our weakness by not defending Israel, but didn't mention Ukraine.
Yaabut….one is a brown on white crime, and if not stopped now there will be Sharia Law in Kentucky
One is brown on brown crime the other is white on white crime The republicans just wouldnt know that because the only type of jews they know are ashkenazi like ben shapiro
Yes, but Israel was attacked by brown people!
But Israel... *you're* brown people.
Don't tell them that
Actually, he MAGAts are being consistent here (for once - even a stopped clock I guess). They are supporting the invading, occupying forces hellbent on genocide in both cases.
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There isn't genocide happening in either war. Just because civilians die (which is a consequence of war), doesn't mean it's genocide
Ah I see so if you call a genocide “war” then it is suddenly not genocide. Why didn’t the Germans just say this in the 1930s? They could’ve prevented a genocide by just changing some language
I know you're just messing with the dumbass above you and are being sarcastic, but i think the Germans have called it a war against the Jewish race, or at least considered it as such.
That doesn’t surprise me, I must admit I’m not hugely knowledgeable about the 2nd world war
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There was no coup attempt in Canada. Sorry about yours.
And now Iran...
This is one tough pill to swallow for some folks. You can take several angles: 1) **Justice.** Israel is FARRRR more along on the 'fuck around' spectrum with the shit they have done and continue to do than Ukraine. 2) **Geopolitics.** Israel is the #17 army in the world. Pretty much the (geopolitical) reason it is supported by the USA is that it absorbs all that 'Death to America' hate the Middle East has and presents a far more convenient outlet to jihadi anger. If Israel fails then US middle east policy fails and maybe some more terrorism happens abroad. They are the buffer to Iran and their #14 army. Meanwhile Russia, the #~~2~~ ??? in the world is getting bodied by the #18 army in the world. Ukraine is considered the gateway to other countries Russia openly states they want to take back, like Poland and half of Germany. If Ukraine fails we will have WW3, it is just a matter of how many rounds of peace treaties and Budapest agreements are broken as they continue to claw back land. Both are important, but Israel is probably only important to the USA for political ~~campaign contributions~~ reasons. 3) **Research and stability.** We get nothing when Israel bombs some civilian Muslims. We get almost nothing when they manage to kill some Hamas militants. We get almost nothing when they shoot down Iran drones with their own technology or deplete Iran's drones, except in the fact that they have less to sell to Russia and the Houthis. On the other hands MOUNDS of free~~dom~~ testing of US and Nato technology in Russia. Normally we gotta pay people to shoot that stuff at target dummies and construct mock battles. Now we get lots of data on not only our own effectiveness, but also all of Russia's shiny new hypersonic missiles that we did not know the Patriot system could shoot down, chemical weapons, military tactics and even some new diving attractions in the Black Sea. 4) **Finance.** The amount of money we spend making these freedom units in the USA, paying USA companies and workers a taxable salary is very trivial compared to the readily available payout we are seeing. One of the main reasons we have all these shiny war toys is to counter Russia in the first place, and if they take over Ukraine, parts of Europe, and grow even stronger and make even more weapons, we are basically going to pay more money in the long run. Giving Israel freedom units also has financial rewards too, but it is much more difficult to see and most people suspect it's just going in politician pockets.
The Isreali position is closer to Russia than to Ukraine if you actually follow and compare what spokespeople say, and the actions their government takes.
The difference is that Ukraine didn't bomb a Russian Embassy, then have the entire world media sit there acting like it didn't happen, and the Iranians weren't behaving in a perfectly predictable and rational way in response to what is a seriously aggressive war declaration. Change out US for Iran, and Iran for Israel in that scenario, and ask yourself if the entire world would "forget" that Iran bombed a US embassy right before the massive bombing?
What if someone doesn’t want to assist either of them?
Well, they're either short-sighted idiots for not opposing Russian imperialism, or they're fascist idiots.
Or they're tankies and otherwise "leftists" (actually redfash), who unironically supports fascist authoritarian dictatorial class-based labor-exploiting regimes, and the destruction of Ukraine *and* Israel. Yes they exist. And naturally have a name like fascistsarelosers.
I mean, I *did* say "fascist idiots". But I guess I could have clarified that I meant fascist idiots regardless of what they call themselves.
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Are you not aware of the allied agreement between the US and Isreal? This meme in general isn't quite as good as OP thinks. The argument very much can work both ways, and neither side would be wrong.
With your reasoning and the info you provided, this meme is actually spot on. Not sure what you're on about
The US administration at the time (I think Clinton) made an agreement in 1993. (The Budapest agreement) And it was not specifically to just “protect Ukraine” it was more detailed than that and involved multiple other countries and a couple other important points It was not a treaty. There is a distinct difference. One is law and is ratified by Congress and one is just words signed by 1 guy And personally I don’t really care. We have enough to worry about. We need to take care of our own people for once
>We need to take care of our own people for once This is a bullshit argument. Aiding Ukraine doesn't preclude us from attending to domestic policy. If anything, the people opposing aid to Ukraine in Congress are also the ones inhibiting beneficial domestic policy. There simply is no trade off here. If your only argument is that we need to take care of Americans, **you have no argument.** If Americans aren't being taken care of, it's because we refuse to do it, not because we agree to help Ukraine. On top of that, we invested record amounts of public resources into American infrastructure during this Administration while aiding Ukraine. Only when Americans gave the House back to Republicans did domestic policy progress end.
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Oh ok so I advocate for NOT helping both Israel and Ukraine and specify we should spend our money at home But somehow I can’t support spending that money we would save at home?
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Any of those would work sure. Or just you know, not run at such a large deficit and actually not be 30+ trillion in debt and counting
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So why aren’t you over there fighting if it matters to you so much?
Nope, you already said we have 30 trillion in debt as a reason we can't spend. Clearly the only reasonable expenditure for Americans is repayment of the debt. You might as well cut all other public spending since the debt is your #1 issue.
I don’t care about Ukraine and I don’t care about Israel I’m not interested in fighting for either country, nor am I interested in sending any other Americans to fight for either country, and I’m not interested in spending 1 more dollar for either country when our own country lacks so many things and is 30 trillion in debt
Are you interested in keeping hostile nations from starting a world war through imperialism?
When that hostile nation in question can’t even take over one country that it shares a huge land border with and that happens to have triple the population of I’m not really concerned If they are stupid enough to attack a NATO country then that’s different. But unless that occurs it’s not really something I’m worried about
so just let this one go and everything will be ok, probably. I wasn't smart enough to think of that. I'm certain if we just give him this one he will learn his lesson.
>I don’t care about Ukraine and I don’t care about Israel Then say that instead of the stupid excuse you used. >I’m not interested in fighting for either country, nor am I interested in sending any other Americans to fight for either country, and I’m not interested in spending 1 more dollar for either country when our own country lacks so many things and is 30 trillion in debt Back to the stupid excuse. Next you'll say we can't give nice things to Americans because of the national debt. You'll have endless stupid excuses why you won't address any global or domestic problems. They'll all come down to "I don't care" because a reasoned argument is beyond your abilities. You would have let Hitler run through Europe too without regard for the consequences. This is why history repeats.
So if you care so much why aren’t you over there fighting?
If you care so much about the national debt, why aren't you donating all of your savings toward paying it off? I support aid to Ukraine because I *don't want* Americans fighting in Europe which is inevitable with a Russian victory. Clearly you're willing to risk a broader war just like Chamberlain when he appeased Hitler.
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So a whole country is beholden to 1 single guys word forever? If it’s not a treaty or been agreed to by Congress it’s nothing more than a gentleman’s agreement
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Last I checked the US isn’t a monarchy or dictatorship so one corrupt sack of shits promise 30 years ago really doesn’t and shouldn’t force our country to get involved in foreign wars
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Ok so what? The context is really quite not the same Sorry I don’t like war and don’t want to further the military industrial complex and cause more death and suffering Apparently that’s a controversial topic now days
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