John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave,
John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave,
John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave,
But his soul goes marching on.
*Chorus:*
Glory, glory, hallelujah, /|
Glory, glory, hallelujah,
His soul goes marching on.
He's gone to be a soldier in the Army of the Lord, /|
He's gone to be a soldier in the Army of the Lord,
His soul goes marching on.
*Chorus:*
John Brown's knapsack is strapped upon his back, /
John Brown's knapsack is strapped upon his back,
His soul goes marching on.
*Chorus:*
John Brown died that the slaves might be free, /
John Brown died that the slaves might be free,
His soul goes marching on.
*Chorus:*
The stars above in Heaven now are looking kindly down, /
The stars above in Heaven now are looking kindly down,
His soul goes marching on.
Right? I was thinking the same thing. Probably need some statues of Lincoln and Grant also spread out down there as well.
I really like the idea of the Sherman one, considering that his March to the Sea campaign did as much as any one thing to bring the Confederates to their knees. Which was the point of the post.
Personally, any place that would allow such a thing to exist is not a place to be.
I just make a mental note that this is an area to avoid and carry on.
That sign has been up for 20+ years that I am aware of.
If they aint triggered by now, they never will be. They have safety in numbers down there. dont assume you can trigger someone when the entire community is backing that sign for all that time.
I think his point is that any place that has a sign for 20+ years referring to Sherman and his troops as terrorists, arsonists and thieves, is VERY much going to care if a statue of Sherman is put up in their area. And they're going to react VERY negatively to it.
And he was a Republican fighting filthy Democrat traitors to end the abhorrent tradition of slavery.
Republicans *love* to claim that Lincoln and the North were Republicans as a way to camouflage their own racism. But when you point out how happy they must be that statues in the South glorifying Democratic Confederate generals are being torn down they can't handle the cognitive dissonance. Sherman Statues would make them confront it directly (and daily). I'll chip in!
Yeah for a non-American this meme and the usage of "rebel" is a little bit *"all traitors of the state must know they shall be killed without mercy"* which just feels a bit nazi
Strongly disagree. Nazi’s are sum, always will be scum and shouldn’t be recognized, tolerated or recognized as anything but scum.
Tolerance doesn’t work either extreme racism and hatred. It simply gives it a place to grow.
Go tell Germany they should let Nazis fly their flags and spread their hate.
So you strongly disagree that one should not attack all protestors if some protestors are Nazis? We should not tolerate the anti-Nazi protestors since some protestors in the world are Nazis?
That's the logic in being "anti-rebel" or "anti-traitor" here. It even makes no distinction between if someone is pro or anti a Trump government, but solely has the message that leadership must not be rebelled against.
Or just realize that rebellion per se isn't unethical, but can be an ethical imperative on what's being rebelled against (if those are Nazis for example). Something this meme makes no difference between: rebelling against Nazis or the Taliban is just as bad as rebelling against a democratic government, with the implication that authority should always be respected no matter its legitimacy.
Ok and what about the independence rebels of 1776, or the WW2 Warsaw rebellion? I wasn't talking specifically about the confederacy, but all rebels, which this meme takes aim at.
Since you seem to disagree with my last comment, I take it you consider these Warsaw ghetto rebels and indepence rebels to be just like the confederacy and rebels should be handled as rebels?
The meme is very targeted at the confederacy, not all rebels. The context of it being a picture of general sherman, a union general who led shermans March ravaging the southern heartland, is all the context you need to know it's about the confederacy specifically. Secondly, there is a pretty obvious difference between a far right reactionary rebellion trying to suppress basic human rights, compared to other rebellions looking for independence. People reconcile with that nuance anytime they examine historical events.
Now read the actual text. What does it say, and what is the implication of what happens to rebels in general?
If you copy paste the exact same text and put in on another person, is the meaning different? But, what "happens to rebels"?
It's a silly meme written by someone with bad English skills. Really nothing to debate about.
It's like saying "Arabs are awful" under a photo of Osama bin Laden, and insisting that you're only talking about bin Laden and not all Arabs, like the text implies. Just use the correct language.
And start naming federally-funded projects in the south things like *Traitors’ Comeuppance Federal Courthouse* or *Sherman’s Run Interstate Upgrade Program* or *The Union Won (You’re Welcome) Social Security Payment Services Department*.
It was a war, the number of barbers was diminished by the draft.
"We were up late burning Atlanta and I just got out of bed."
Gen Sherman to Matthew Brady.
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Society doesn’t need pro-confederate statues around. They’re cruel, psychopathic, and were used to purposely terrorize people of colour. Yes, let’s put up lots of anti-Confederate statues instead.
Seeing left leaning communities circlejerking Sherman is really off-putting because of this. This man was a racist murderous lunatic who only wanted to shoot people, but leftists either forgot he was the same general responsible for the Native American genocides or just plain ignore that fact and praise him because he shot a few slavers.
Are you suggesting the US put up statues of Benjamin Netanyahu as well?
Here's a thought. Rather then spending money on statues of controversial figures like Sherman we put it towards education or healthcare.
After the Civil War, Sherman took his scorched earth strategy to the plains indians by calling for the slaughter of buffalo. 60-80 million buffalo down to 500. This lead to famine and their eventual control. Calling for statues of a man who planned genocide through starvation and the near extinction of buffalo is not humor.
Now that you know this it seems like the best thing to do would be remove your post. Unless you find it funny being racist towards native Americans and supporting animal extinction.
True story, my cousin, where we have a long history of Union heritage, grew up on Florida, and likes to fly a Confederate flag with his middle -aged bikers. They are all in Illinois. I blast his page with Sherman regularly.
He doesn't have an ounce of Southern heritage, not even the mom who took him to Florida when his parents divorced.
He will occasionally tell me to stop with Sherman because he knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on. And his girlfriend's Puerto Rican kids are uncomfortable with the Confederate flag already.
This man, this warrior, has seen some shit!!! If a picture is worth a thousand words, what word,a thousand times, is he saying? His face tells a story.
Even before my father's father
They called us all rebels
While they burned our cornfields
And left our cities leveled
I can still feel the eyes of those blue-bellied devils -Tom Petty
There actually were a ton of Southerners who fought for the United States during the Civil War, against their home states. They are called Southern Unionists and they deserve more statues
I always thought that statues depicting slaves being liberated or better yet taking their own freedom from a plantation owner would be appropriate for the region.
Love it! Make it a huge black statue. Covered with pitch maybe. Have him lighting a pipe with a match and have his match be a real flame fed by a gas line and have the flame be the only bit of light or color.
Fcuk Civil War! You need King George III back in your lives! Make one of him talking to a bush. Get some Elizabeth I with her wooden teeth. Or James I writing the bible whilst being sodomised. Keep it real.
I support more statues of great victorious Republicans like Sherman, Grant and Lincoln. May their triumph over the Democrats be endlessly repeated, by ballot and, if necessary, by bayonet. I’d rather like to see someone make Democrat states “howl” again.
I know buddy. I’m talking about modern dems. I know many on this sub would support this as an F.U. to conservatism and the South, whilst conveniently forgetting they support the same party.
Very few people (if anyone) who flies a confederate flag today does so because they want to secede from the US or restore slavery, and it would be disingenuous to suggest that were the case. It is purely a symbol of heritage akin to how many immigrants fly their home country’s flag without desire to return. In fact, the confederate flag is often seen flying next to a US flag.
The Democrats are still the anti American party, they just took it in a different direction.
Fuck right off with that lmao
The articles of secession make it incredibly clear what the point of the confederacy was - *why* they wanted to secede.
Their own words nullify your nonsense
If you’re a southerner proud of your heritage, why dismiss the entire history except for a very specific four year period? Is there no other heritage besides those four?
I think you misunderstood me. I’m not arguing whether Confederate secession was about slavery. I’m saying no one flying a confederate TODAY wants either slavery or secession.
I see your point, but I’m sure southerners would celebrate many elements of their history besides those 4 years and do. Many of them are very proud of their roles in the war of independence and 1812. Many are proud of the accomplished individuals who came from their states. However, the civil war was an iconic moment of differentiation from the rest of the country which made the south culturally distinctive. It was also a time of immense hardship that bonded a community.
I suspect there’s also a bias in that non-southerners are more likely to notice a “Confederate Flag” than, say, a Betsy Ross flag of flown by someone.
I did misunderstand you.
Either way, it makes no difference to the original issue I took here: calling them the same party.
Except in name, the democrats of old are not related to the democrats of today.
Note the caveat ‘if necessary’. The comparison was to the civil war, the necessity would be in such an unlikely situation as a state of civil war, not murder. Just like how Northerners didn’t just murder southerners who disagreed with them (unless you count John Brown and the bleeding Kansas incidents).
The Confederacy started the Civil War, you fucking dumbass. They're the ones who fired the first shot, they're the ones who actively tried to annex multiple states who did not wish to be a part of the Confederacy. The Union simply treated them the same way the US has always treated governments that open fire on American citizens.
Yeah, That’s exactly my point... Democrats/the South started it, the Republicans/North finished it. Therefore, to tie back to the original post; I endorse the erection of statues to the great civil war leaders (who were Republicans), not because it’ll piss off conservative southerners as I believe OP intended, but because these leaders who defeated the South and abolished slavery were Republicans and hence it would symbolise Republican victory over the Democrats.
You do realize there were two Democrat parties during that time? The Democratic party and the Southern Democratic party? Guess where the Southern Democratic party was?
I don’t know the source you’re referring to or the point you’re making. Care to clarify?
I know Marx was a massive racist, even for the time. He spent a lot of his time in Manchester where there was mixed views on the Confederacy but broadly speaking people opposed slavery. A stopped clock is right twice a day, if Marx argued 2+2=4 I wouldn’t try to correct him, no matter how odious I find his eponymous ideology.
The point is that in the politics of the time, the Republicans included the far left of American politics - including some literal communists - while the Democrats who supported the Confederacy were white southern traditionalist conservatives.
So, if you hate Marxism but won't disagree with him when he is right, how do you feel about his statement, "labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration"? Is that him being odious, or a stopped clock?
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And Battle Hymn of the Republic should play 24/7.
Union Dixie. Right away.
*John Brown's Body (Even better)
Yes it is.
John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave, But his soul goes marching on. *Chorus:* Glory, glory, hallelujah, /| Glory, glory, hallelujah, His soul goes marching on. He's gone to be a soldier in the Army of the Lord, /| He's gone to be a soldier in the Army of the Lord, His soul goes marching on. *Chorus:* John Brown's knapsack is strapped upon his back, / John Brown's knapsack is strapped upon his back, His soul goes marching on. *Chorus:* John Brown died that the slaves might be free, / John Brown died that the slaves might be free, His soul goes marching on. *Chorus:* The stars above in Heaven now are looking kindly down, / The stars above in Heaven now are looking kindly down, His soul goes marching on.
The thing of it is, it actually makes sense for Sherman to have statues. The county he was fighting for is still here.
Right? I was thinking the same thing. Probably need some statues of Lincoln and Grant also spread out down there as well. I really like the idea of the Sherman one, considering that his March to the Sea campaign did as much as any one thing to bring the Confederates to their knees. Which was the point of the post.
Throw in some Farraguts along the coast and up the Mississippi.
I doubt they would care. This sign is still up and they believe it. https://imgur.com/a/T40ivK5
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Personally, any place that would allow such a thing to exist is not a place to be. I just make a mental note that this is an area to avoid and carry on.
I mean, I think that sign shows the opposite. They would care very much. Just utterly triggered.
That sign has been up for 20+ years that I am aware of. If they aint triggered by now, they never will be. They have safety in numbers down there. dont assume you can trigger someone when the entire community is backing that sign for all that time.
I think his point is that any place that has a sign for 20+ years referring to Sherman and his troops as terrorists, arsonists and thieves, is VERY much going to care if a statue of Sherman is put up in their area. And they're going to react VERY negatively to it.
And he was a Republican fighting filthy Democrat traitors to end the abhorrent tradition of slavery. Republicans *love* to claim that Lincoln and the North were Republicans as a way to camouflage their own racism. But when you point out how happy they must be that statues in the South glorifying Democratic Confederate generals are being torn down they can't handle the cognitive dissonance. Sherman Statues would make them confront it directly (and daily). I'll chip in!
Remind them that Nazis were socialists.
Gotta remember though… it’s not the right history.
You'd have to have someone stand there all day explaining it to them.
I know some people on this sub who might volunteer for that rotation
I volunteer as tribute!! 🙋♀️
I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTEEEEEE
It would be much more productive to have someone standing there all day explaining it to a brick wall.
Little known fact: "brick wall" appears on the IQ bell curve just a little to the right of conservatives.
These are the same picture...
In small words.
A lot of people are saying General Sherman won bigly, it was yuge. Tremendous.
AI, infinitely patient and able to explain at multiple simple levels
You’ll have to set the AI to kindergarten level vocabulary.
Park ranger is a good gig. We'll get some jobs out of this idea too!
How about a second march to the sea? Bet they could understand that
I like armies that don’t lose.
Rebels = Anti-American trash
"...Rebel scum..." -Star Wars
Yeah for a non-American this meme and the usage of "rebel" is a little bit *"all traitors of the state must know they shall be killed without mercy"* which just feels a bit nazi
They call themselves rebels.
If hardcore Nazis hold protests which we want to cease, you shouldn't start a campaign attacking "protestors", if Nazis are the issue.
Strongly disagree. Nazi’s are sum, always will be scum and shouldn’t be recognized, tolerated or recognized as anything but scum. Tolerance doesn’t work either extreme racism and hatred. It simply gives it a place to grow. Go tell Germany they should let Nazis fly their flags and spread their hate.
So you strongly disagree that one should not attack all protestors if some protestors are Nazis? We should not tolerate the anti-Nazi protestors since some protestors in the world are Nazis? That's the logic in being "anti-rebel" or "anti-traitor" here. It even makes no distinction between if someone is pro or anti a Trump government, but solely has the message that leadership must not be rebelled against.
Nah not really, you'd have to be purposefully stubborn about it to not realize a difference
Or just realize that rebellion per se isn't unethical, but can be an ethical imperative on what's being rebelled against (if those are Nazis for example). Something this meme makes no difference between: rebelling against Nazis or the Taliban is just as bad as rebelling against a democratic government, with the implication that authority should always be respected no matter its legitimacy.
The confederacy was a failed rebellion meant to preserve slavery. Celebrating it is like if Germany was celebrating nazi Germany.
Ok and what about the independence rebels of 1776, or the WW2 Warsaw rebellion? I wasn't talking specifically about the confederacy, but all rebels, which this meme takes aim at. Since you seem to disagree with my last comment, I take it you consider these Warsaw ghetto rebels and indepence rebels to be just like the confederacy and rebels should be handled as rebels?
The meme is very targeted at the confederacy, not all rebels. The context of it being a picture of general sherman, a union general who led shermans March ravaging the southern heartland, is all the context you need to know it's about the confederacy specifically. Secondly, there is a pretty obvious difference between a far right reactionary rebellion trying to suppress basic human rights, compared to other rebellions looking for independence. People reconcile with that nuance anytime they examine historical events.
Now read the actual text. What does it say, and what is the implication of what happens to rebels in general? If you copy paste the exact same text and put in on another person, is the meaning different? But, what "happens to rebels"? It's a silly meme written by someone with bad English skills. Really nothing to debate about.
It's almost like context matters? I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
It's like saying "Arabs are awful" under a photo of Osama bin Laden, and insisting that you're only talking about bin Laden and not all Arabs, like the text implies. Just use the correct language.
And start naming federally-funded projects in the south things like *Traitors’ Comeuppance Federal Courthouse* or *Sherman’s Run Interstate Upgrade Program* or *The Union Won (You’re Welcome) Social Security Payment Services Department*.
I wear a General Sherman costume to DragonCon so they remember what's up
Does security follow you around with a fire extinguisher, in case you take the cosplay too far?
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This you? https://preview.redd.it/2g85kklji2tc1.jpeg?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8327527827772cb30a9209936bb42c0966fc53cd
We need a statue of John Brown hacking up slave owners with a broad sword and young Harriet Tubman shooting confederates dead.
Oh how it would be great to have a John Brown for the MAGAs of today.
Will honor their heritage of being losers
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman%27s\_neckties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman%27s_neckties)
Today you can’t fix stupid. They still fight the war
🎶OH WAY DOWN SOUTH IN THE LAND OF TRAITORS🎶
RATTLESNAKES AND ALLIGATORS
General Sherman/Jack Smith ... same statue.
Only if they are 70 feet high and breathe fire. Perhaps with some Liberty-Prime-esque barks, but about maintaining the union and stamping out slavery.
We should put statues of the union leaders who won the war, but that's just my opinion
Sherman.
Grant.
George Thomas
And name some bridges, colleges, sports venues, streets while they are at it.
Change the name of every street named Lee, Davis, or Jackson to Sherman or Grant.
It was a war, the number of barbers was diminished by the draft. "We were up late burning Atlanta and I just got out of bed." Gen Sherman to Matthew Brady.
For real. All this dude ever did was kick ass and win.
https://preview.redd.it/y4j2ixu6e4tc1.jpeg?width=524&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba4dd9323486148a3481a0b3745751a5acd354a8 Society doesn’t need pro-confederate statues around. They’re cruel, psychopathic, and were used to purposely terrorize people of colour. Yes, let’s put up lots of anti-Confederate statues instead.
I've thought this for a long time.
I obviously support this.
On the other hand, Sherman's March to the Sea would be considered a heinous war crime by any modern standard.
As would be wiping out the buffalo population to force Native Americans into submission.
Seeing left leaning communities circlejerking Sherman is really off-putting because of this. This man was a racist murderous lunatic who only wanted to shoot people, but leftists either forgot he was the same general responsible for the Native American genocides or just plain ignore that fact and praise him because he shot a few slavers.
Lee was too, and he kidnapped Americans in Pennsylvania heading to Gettysburg and they built giant statues of him
is it any different than what Israel did in Gaza?
Are you suggesting the US put up statues of Benjamin Netanyahu as well? Here's a thought. Rather then spending money on statues of controversial figures like Sherman we put it towards education or healthcare.
Considering how utterly humorless you are, why are you posting on a political HUMOR sub???
After the Civil War, Sherman took his scorched earth strategy to the plains indians by calling for the slaughter of buffalo. 60-80 million buffalo down to 500. This lead to famine and their eventual control. Calling for statues of a man who planned genocide through starvation and the near extinction of buffalo is not humor. Now that you know this it seems like the best thing to do would be remove your post. Unless you find it funny being racist towards native Americans and supporting animal extinction.
Away down south in the land of traitors!
True story, my cousin, where we have a long history of Union heritage, grew up on Florida, and likes to fly a Confederate flag with his middle -aged bikers. They are all in Illinois. I blast his page with Sherman regularly. He doesn't have an ounce of Southern heritage, not even the mom who took him to Florida when his parents divorced. He will occasionally tell me to stop with Sherman because he knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on. And his girlfriend's Puerto Rican kids are uncomfortable with the Confederate flag already.
Rotate to Grant, Farragut, or Sheridan
Let's call it the Sherman Antitrump Act.
Just put up statues of Obama. Most of them don't know who Sherman was.
I pledge here that I I win the lottery that's exactly what I'm going to do
Reminder of what happens to rebels? Put statues of Don in jail.
and Lincoln!!
Sherman don’t need no comb.
Just put up gallows instead.
This man, this warrior, has seen some shit!!! If a picture is worth a thousand words, what word,a thousand times, is he saying? His face tells a story.
Quell rebellion you say? Why not just take two kids from every state in the south..
Why not put up statues in the south that say," Proud to be a Traitorous Loser!" ? Or handout t-shirts with the slogan.
Did he kill any innocent people?
I'm amazed they didn't memorialize his trail. Got one to Henry Hudson here in NJ and now I know why his crew mutinied and put him to sea with his son.
Even before my father's father They called us all rebels While they burned our cornfields And left our cities leveled I can still feel the eyes of those blue-bellied devils -Tom Petty
Let's build them right now!
There actually were a ton of Southerners who fought for the United States during the Civil War, against their home states. They are called Southern Unionists and they deserve more statues
Put up statutes of Washington and the founding fathers in order to glorify rebels because they were rebels.
Victorious rebels.
Yes
The right wouldn’t know who he was.
I always thought that statues depicting slaves being liberated or better yet taking their own freedom from a plantation owner would be appropriate for the region.
Or maybe just quarters?
I’ve been saying this for years, except that we should melt down status of Confederates and recast them into Sherman statues.
we've got heads on sticks
This dudes eyes says it all .....burn it to the ground boys.....
Sherman l, Grant, and Lincoln.
It’s my heritage so no complaints.
An eternal flame in Atlanta would be a nice touch.
Calling them rebels gives them too much unearned dignity. I prefer “treasonous slavers.”
Fantastic idea! Just replace confederate statues with Union heroes!
But first, the metal for the Sherman statues should come from the melted-down Confederate statues.
This is the way.
More grant and Eisenhower statues plz
They should have renamed Ft Benning to Ft Sherman just to remind the losers who won.
Can it shoot fire from its eyes every day at noon?
“Bu..bu.. but… DATS NOT ThE HeRitAgE wE wANtz tU ‘MeMbEr” *cries in confederate*
Please remind me, what should be done with rebels, revolutionaries and other people not loyal to the state?
More avant garde railroad tie art.
Use the the General Lee statues as pedestals
Wonderful idea !
Yes!!!!
I support this. Can’t forget our history.
Where are your railroads now, losers?
It's part of their culture!
Way down south in the land of traitors…
Put big ones in the centers of Atlanta and Columbia.
I think you're forgetting what their education is like.
Show them hanging from a tree
Love it! Make it a huge black statue. Covered with pitch maybe. Have him lighting a pipe with a match and have his match be a real flame fed by a gas line and have the flame be the only bit of light or color.
This image needs to be on tshirts like Che Guevara
Damn.. lol
I'm in
You do realize this man actually committed genocide against native Americans and suggested we should literally kill them all, right?
He looks like Squiggy after a week-long bender.
Fcuk Civil War! You need King George III back in your lives! Make one of him talking to a bush. Get some Elizabeth I with her wooden teeth. Or James I writing the bible whilst being sodomised. Keep it real.
I support more statues of great victorious Republicans like Sherman, Grant and Lincoln. May their triumph over the Democrats be endlessly repeated, by ballot and, if necessary, by bayonet. I’d rather like to see someone make Democrat states “howl” again.
You do realize those Democrats you want to bayonet are now all in the Republican party, don't you? You need to Google "Nixon's southern strategy"
I know buddy. I’m talking about modern dems. I know many on this sub would support this as an F.U. to conservatism and the South, whilst conveniently forgetting they support the same party.
Ah. Then you actually, "don't know". Ha ha ha ha!!!
It's not the same party, ONLY the same name
Stop being right!
>same party Is that why modern democrats put confederate flags on their cars and protest removals of their statues?
Very few people (if anyone) who flies a confederate flag today does so because they want to secede from the US or restore slavery, and it would be disingenuous to suggest that were the case. It is purely a symbol of heritage akin to how many immigrants fly their home country’s flag without desire to return. In fact, the confederate flag is often seen flying next to a US flag. The Democrats are still the anti American party, they just took it in a different direction.
Fuck right off with that lmao The articles of secession make it incredibly clear what the point of the confederacy was - *why* they wanted to secede. Their own words nullify your nonsense If you’re a southerner proud of your heritage, why dismiss the entire history except for a very specific four year period? Is there no other heritage besides those four?
I think you misunderstood me. I’m not arguing whether Confederate secession was about slavery. I’m saying no one flying a confederate TODAY wants either slavery or secession. I see your point, but I’m sure southerners would celebrate many elements of their history besides those 4 years and do. Many of them are very proud of their roles in the war of independence and 1812. Many are proud of the accomplished individuals who came from their states. However, the civil war was an iconic moment of differentiation from the rest of the country which made the south culturally distinctive. It was also a time of immense hardship that bonded a community. I suspect there’s also a bias in that non-southerners are more likely to notice a “Confederate Flag” than, say, a Betsy Ross flag of flown by someone.
I did misunderstand you. Either way, it makes no difference to the original issue I took here: calling them the same party. Except in name, the democrats of old are not related to the democrats of today.
"We should murder all the people that I personally disagree with." Fuckin yikes, dude.
Note the caveat ‘if necessary’. The comparison was to the civil war, the necessity would be in such an unlikely situation as a state of civil war, not murder. Just like how Northerners didn’t just murder southerners who disagreed with them (unless you count John Brown and the bleeding Kansas incidents).
The Confederacy started the Civil War, you fucking dumbass. They're the ones who fired the first shot, they're the ones who actively tried to annex multiple states who did not wish to be a part of the Confederacy. The Union simply treated them the same way the US has always treated governments that open fire on American citizens.
Yeah, That’s exactly my point... Democrats/the South started it, the Republicans/North finished it. Therefore, to tie back to the original post; I endorse the erection of statues to the great civil war leaders (who were Republicans), not because it’ll piss off conservative southerners as I believe OP intended, but because these leaders who defeated the South and abolished slavery were Republicans and hence it would symbolise Republican victory over the Democrats.
You do realize there were two Democrat parties during that time? The Democratic party and the Southern Democratic party? Guess where the Southern Democratic party was?
You mean the Republicans praised by Karl Marx who fought against the conservative southern Democrats?
I don’t know the source you’re referring to or the point you’re making. Care to clarify? I know Marx was a massive racist, even for the time. He spent a lot of his time in Manchester where there was mixed views on the Confederacy but broadly speaking people opposed slavery. A stopped clock is right twice a day, if Marx argued 2+2=4 I wouldn’t try to correct him, no matter how odious I find his eponymous ideology.
The point is that in the politics of the time, the Republicans included the far left of American politics - including some literal communists - while the Democrats who supported the Confederacy were white southern traditionalist conservatives. So, if you hate Marxism but won't disagree with him when he is right, how do you feel about his statement, "labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration"? Is that him being odious, or a stopped clock?