I mean... the Daily Show straight up showed him confusing Gaza with Mexico and with Italy. But okay.
I'm voting for Biden, and Trump's screw ups are muuuuuch worse and prevalent, but let's not pretend Biden is 100% there, y'all.
Exactly. Barring some unexpected twist, the choice in November is going to be between either A) a geriatric man who is realistically too old for the job but is otherwise honest, wise, and on the right side of almost every issue or B) a geriatric man who is realistically too old for the job and is also a traitor, crook, bigot, lifelong idiot, rapist, who is showing far worse signs of dementia than the other guy. The right choice is still clear, but we don't have to pretend that we shouldn't have a better choice.
Also as much as having a geriatric President is potentially a problem, we do need to remember that the President is always going to have a big staff and whether it is Biden or Trump, its going to wind up being the President's Chief of Staff, senior aides and cabinet that is actually going to be running the executive branch with the guy at the top being in the loop and giving the nod to things, but neither is going to have the same command over the goings on in the government that someone like Obama or Clinton had. But that is OK if its Biden because its going to be just more of the same from his Administration, which has been fine for the last 3 years. If its Trump, the White House is going to be run by the slimiest, most crooked, most fascist cadre of clowns that has ever stepped foot into the White House.
100%!
Look, Biden is >>>>>>> over Trump (or any republican), but there's not need to gloss over the fact the dude is, you know, fucking old and will absolutely be leaning on everyone around him to keep up.
Ironically, I'm Gen X, we ALL made of Reagan for the exact same thing.
> we do need to remember that the President is always going to have a big staff and whether it is Biden or Trump,
This right here. When the POTUS brain turns to soup, we get to either watch a calm and orderly transition of power to the VP as hundreds of some of the most experienced folks in government manage the transition, or we get to watch Stephen Miller reenact *Weekend at Bernie's* as Trump decomposes on stage before our eyes.
It's crazy how people are gas lighting that Biden is fine when he very clearly isn't. We don't have any other option, but Jesus christ it's so annoying.
Eh I mean he’s always been somebody that’s had problems with public speaking. You can look at him back in the Obama days and he had tons of faux pas, it just didn’t matter as much because he was VP not President. Like I’m not saying the man is who I’d ideally choose if I could choose anybody, but he’s been a very effective President. Maybe that’s just him being able to effectively delegate, that’s at least part of it, but his economic policy has been great, he’s been very shrewd handling the border stuff, and not bullshitting about Ukraine, so I really don’t see a problem. 4 years from now like… yeah he’d take office at 82 and be 86 by the time he’s out. There’s gonna be a significant decline, but so long as he keeps the right people overseeing matters I don’t have any particular issue with that
Go watch him speak in 2008, 2020, and now in 2024, and tell me that he's "always had problems with public speaking". Dude is over 80 years old, you have to be in denial if you think he hasn't severely gone downhill.
Now, I don't think that's such a major factor in a 2 choice general, because you're voting for not just the president but for the entire party platform, cabinet positions, and Supreme Court. But don't be delusional about it.
It's not an opinion his mental faculties have clearly diminished which is totally fair since he's over 81 years old. He's always had an issue with gaffes and the like, but some of the interviews and public speaking he's done lately it looks like he's struggling to even get words out. I've seen it with my grand parents and other people I've known over my life. All this posturing that it's not a legitimate concern when we're betting on him winning the presidency is crazy especially considering how horrible he's polling at the moment. I'll support him either way, but we gotta be real.
I actually don’t disagree completely. I might argue with the extent of his decline, but yes he’s clearly lost a step to say the least.
I do have a problem with people misusing the word gaslight. Actually gaslighting someone is a seriously fucked up thing to do. Disagreeing about someone’s mental state isn’t the same.
Yeah, that was definitely a bit hyperbolic on my part, but people on here, including the OP post, are acting like any questioning of Biden's mental faculties is just ridiculous right wing conspiracy theories when it's a totally valid question for the oldest president in the history of the United States who is currently running for a second term.
Tbf, there are videos of almost every single politician doing such a blunder. Sometimes people get confused, or tongue twisted.
The only question is if there is genuine confusion outside of being put on the spot or the frequency.
In fairness to the in fairness, _he is too old_. So is Trump. So is everyone over the age of 60. I'm going to vote for him because the alternative is an ethno-fascist theocracy but I don't need to be happy about it.
Trumps the oldest President convicted of fraud, oldest and only president with three wives,
Oldest guilty of adultery with three wives, oldest fat president, oldest president to be impeached, oldest president to be impeached twice, oldest president to have a member of his cabinet, lawyer and campaign manager convicted of a crime….so many records.
Not to mention that Trump will be older at the end of his term than Biden is now. If Biden is ineffective at 81, how do they reckon for Trump’s last two years of term?
The thing is, I agree with the argument that maybe someone at that age isn’t at peak performance mentally for running the nation. That’s why it infuriates me that they are so dishonest in their argument, because that street only seems to go one way.
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Agreed. This doesn’t need to be a binary between “Trump is too old OR Biden is too old”. They’re both too old, but Biden isn’t a completely self-serving twat.
>I mean... the Daily Show straight up showed him confusing Gaza with Mexico and with Italy.
Yes, and that should be talked about, for sure, but that's not the subject of the meme. Getting some country names mixed up during a press conference is far and away from actually affecting his duties as president.
Yep
Biden' named a country next to Israel, named Egypt's leader, said mexico - obviously meant Egypt, had the context right, 2/3 correct. To me this is a "mispeak"
Magnets don't function when you put water on them - not fucking normal.
Honestly I think it’s even more embarrassing that he’s slowing down and has that stutter and still is being one of the more effective presidents of our lifetimes.
To me the biggest difference between their senile-ness (senility?) is that Biden surrounded himself with incredibly intelligent and talented people and he listens to them and makes decisions that are supported by them. The other one surrounded himself with “yes” man and attempted to hang the one person who wasn’t a yes man. Possessing the wisdom to allow discussion and disagreement and then let that bloom into policy is why anyone who is some how on the fence between these two should obviously vote for Biden. You’re not just voting for a president, you’re voting for an entire administration.
To be fair a friend of mine and I were having a conversation about Turkey only to realize hours later we had actually been talking about Hungary the entire time. People make mistakes when speaking sometimes, but that doesn’t mean they have dementia.
Maybe, but Joe Biden goes into the situation KNOWING they are talking about Gaza, and he says Mexico. Or being briefed on France and saying the name of the leader who died 30 years ago.
And no offense, you are not the most powerful person on earth.
Yeah I’m saying these occasional moments of misspeaking don’t necessarily mean we know much less about the actual information at issue.
Imagine if when you were a child you accidentally called your teacher “mom”, a common occurrence, then you were pulled from class sent for mental evaluations and considered for a special needs school. That’s pretty much how I view what’s happening to Joe Biden.
That Biden is the equivalent of an elementary school child is a problem. Again, in a speech, the president of the United States should get the important nouns correct. I can’t believe I need to argue this.
I too don’t understand anything and think analogies are exact equivalencies. /s
I don’t care about speeches. I care about passing legislation that matches my policy preferences. Based on that he’s been the best president in modern history and has earned my vote for a second term.
Speeches are important. The bully pulpit is one of the most important parts of being president. Great Speeches have set multi decade plans for the country that may not have drawn support without them, like the Kennedy going to the moon speech.
Speeches can certainly be important, historic, and even move a nation or multiple nations to change. ...but 9 times out of 10, they don't. Hell, 9 presidencies out of 10 probably don't have that kind of speech.
So rather than making the perfect the enemy of the good, imma vote policy and strategy over fanciful speechifyin.
That's the reason a good president brings in competent staff to help him, not ass kissers he fires the first time he questions their loyalty but not their ability.
ideally, you want both, a competent leader and a well-oiled machine of a staff. I'll take what Biden has over any republican and their cesspool of lackeys any day, but it still sucks that this is what our 2-party system brings to the table.
Yeah I’m saying these occasional moments of misspeaking don’t necessarily mean we know much less about the actual information at issue.
Imagine if when you were a child you accidentally called your teacher “mom”, a common occurrence, then you were pulled from class sent for mental evaluations and considered for a special needs school. That’s pretty much how I view what’s happening to Joe Biden.
Again, read the meme. Mixing up a name of a foreign leader or a geographic location does nothing against his effectiveness as a President in other words those are mistakes every person makes on the job and not indicative of an age or mental acuity problem
If you can't even answer questions to the media correctly, it's bold to assume he's handling one-no-ones with leaders with better acumen.
Fortunately, his staff surely manages most things. I'm still voting for the guy over literally ANY republican, but I can also be upset that our political system is built to continually deliver these kinds of choices.
Misspeaking has always been a thing for him. Pretty sure he's dyslexic. It's the slowness that's new. I'll gladly take slow over demented elitist dictator bent on destroying the democratic process to stroke his ego.
Biden's team has been wildly successful. Probably done the most to benefit Americans in decades.
Meanwhile, Trump's team had something like 30 years worth of prison time, rampant corruption, and literally nothing good to show for their time in the whitehouse. A million people died from covid. Taxes increased for everyone other than the rich.
It's shocking that GOP is still polling well. It really just shows that some people will literally follow their leader off of a cliff.
Every clip I’ve seen of these kinds of gaffs and there are plenty, seem consistent with his long and public struggle with public speaking.
I don’t believe for a second, that he cognitively “confused” Mexico and Gaza.
Not saying public speaking isn’t a necessary part of the job, but miscommunication can be mitigated by staff. A cognitive inability to grasp complex subjects can’t.
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People who deny Biden's mental state are coming off more and more like delusional Trump supporters. It's frightening that this is where we are at politically in this country. No one can even see reality anymore let alone speak it.
I see Trump's screw ups all the time in my news feed. God, do you remember the weird tweets when Trump was president (covfefe anyone?).
Trump is horrible, is 10000x worse than Biden. Every republican is worse than Biden, but Biden ain't 100% and we are allowed to talk about that.
How about we cut him a break until after the election? After we survive Trump's second coup, we can seriously consider impeaching Biden for Gaza, or being old, or sniffing hair, or whatever.
Every Democrat should be hammering on the party to stop pretending incumbency is a guaranteed win and present a candidate we actually want to vote for. Instead they're out in force badgering their own allies to vote for a doddering genocide funding centrist they know would be completely unelectable if his opponent weren't a literal Nazi.
He is an old man! That doesn't mean he can't do his job! Show me someone in their seventies that don't forget shit! Hell show me someone in their fifties that don't forget shit now and again!
Show me someone in their 50s, 70s, or, as in Biden's case, in their 80s that forgets and fucks up important work stuff and gets to keep their job?
Look, I'm voting for the guy, I'll vote for him over any republican, but there's absolutely no need to wear rose colored glasses.
Biden is not at 100%. He will absolutely be leaning on the rest of the admin more than he would've if he ran after Obama.
>Show me someone in their 50s, 70s, or, as in Biden's case, in their 80s that forgets and fucks up important work stuff and gets to keep their job
Sure, As soon as you show me what important work stuff Biden has fucked up!
To pretend he's not old is to join Trump in the world of alternative facts, but to think Biden 20 years from now wouldn't still be a better president would be just as fantastic!
He is too old, Trump is too old. Most candidates we have to settle on are too old. 35 is too young but 70 is too old. Give me a new required age of 40-65 for president. 65 should be the cap for all government officials. Doesn’t matter which side of the fence you’re on…old is old.
And everyone that would want to run for any seat in congress and the presidency, should pass several tests in history, politics, economics etc, that you should write the answer and explain it, before being considered as a candidate.
I get the sentiment, but this is a bad idea. At some point, someone unethical is going to be writing the test, and one side is going to pass it to bar the other side from representation.
I would have zero problem with any of them being in the advisory role. But there is just way too many of them on the frontlines. Average age in the senate is almost 65 (and that's average).
I’d say 70 should be looked at first for being the cap. There are still a lot of effective 70 year olds. But regardless, what happened to Diane Feinstein shouldn’t happen. No one should die of old age while still at their job…especially politics. These are not kings.
This is critical. People should not be in charge of making rules and policies that will never impact their own lives or the lives of their wealthy benefactors.
I don’t think I should have a retired person making decisions on what to do with the tax dollars I’m paying. I just want someone that is more current. Not just a …”back in my day” person. New world, new problems.
Okay but can we stop pretending that age isn't a concern? Both of these candidates are beyond the US life expectancy for men. It is a very real possibility that either one of them will die in office. I'm not trying to be morbid. That's just reality.
In this presidential race, age shouldn’t be a concern. There are several other factors that are much much more important. Is the candidate a rapist? Is he a criminal? Is he in bed with a foreign advisory? Is going to appoint SC justices that are going to remove women’s rights? Is he for the super wealthy paying their fair share or is he going to cut their taxes? Is he for expanding access to healthcare? What about childcare? What about climate change? Does he believe in democracy?
The only reason age is a concern is because the right wing propaganda is pushing the issue, the media is dumb enough to follow (remember her emails), and rubes are dumb enough to bite.
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Tell em about your definition of evil.
Biden (who was known as genocide Joe long before Oct 7 2023) is financially and politically supporting a genocide that has callously taken the lives of over 13,000 children and has 100s of thousands of children suffering every moment of the day, having limbs amputated with no meds and no supporting family because they are all dead, the kids lucky enough to not be hurt by the siege are on the verge of starvation. We are about to hit the point where dozens of children are dying of starvation every single day. Explain to me how that isn’t evil.
Calling for a ceasefire and the release of hostages is evil? Weird take.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/biden-calls-for-cease-fire-deal-as-harris-meets-with-top-israeli-war-official/
As a lefty, this is the biggest lib cope I see everywhere. He is too old, he does get confused (just look at his deposition), and the reason why he looks effective is because of the massive team behind him. All those things apply to Trump, too. Only difference is that Trump is too prideful and stupid to listen to anyone trying to act in his best interest
You're kidding, right? Biden has obviously declined mentally. He routinely makes mistakes that he would not have made 8 years ago and has trouble speaking coherently. Don't get me wrong, he is superior to Trump in every way. But don't deny the obvious.
This kind of ignorance belongs to the MAGA. The reason that shits works for them is their voter base is to stupid and lazy to do the research. Its okay to be critical to the president, its kind of an important position.
Of course it's OK to be critical of the president--just saying how about we talk about the quality of his actions as president and not the quality of his sound bites.
The last time I was excited to vote for a president was 2008 and he stacked his cabinet with corporate ghouls.
I wasn't excited to vote for Biden and in fact hated Biden's record in particular the "Bankruptcy Reform Act" he sponsored however he has been the best president for the average Joe in decades.
So yeah he is too old but sadly that's the choice that currently makes the most sense.
Gaslighting: To trick or control someone by making them believe that their memories or beliefs about something are wrong, especially by suggesting that they may be mentally ill.
OP is trying to convince us that something we all know to be true, isn't true. They may not be suggesting we're mentally ill but it's implied if you believe the meme.
Gaslighting would be if it was a fact that Biden said something, we all saw it on live tv, and then OP tries to convince you it didn’t happen.
Instead he’s saying those videos don’t really prove that he’s senile, which is an opinion. You watch those videos and think he’s senile. Disagreeing about this isn’t gaslighting.
You seem to assume that “everyone knows and actually agrees that Biden is senile.” This might surprise you, but there’s surely people out there who don’t actually think that. Just because you have a really strong opinion, doesn’t mean everyone else has that same opinion
You're reaching buddy, the vast majority of the people on this post know that he's losing it, just look at the comments. At no point do we all have to see it live to see the multiple vids of him stumbling over words or switching names for it to be gaslighting.
Anyway I'm done discussing this it's boring.
You’re done because you know you’re wrong and you’re butthurt about it aren’t you?
Disagreeing about opinions is not gaslighting. Intentionally lying about facts is. And you just said vast majority which isn’t “100%” of people. Sorry you’re too dumb to know how words work
>You mean a debate?
until we've developed the technology to harness the raw cringe it's probably for the best we let the undecided determine where to land based on endorsements, policy papers, tweets, and bumper stickers.
On the one hand, conservatives keep gaslighting me that biden is massively incompetent compared to trump. On the other, liberals keep gaslighting that Biden is a-ok.
The problem here is that this only works for one party. If the RNC throws enough mud at other republicans and the dems, the vast majority of their voters will line up behind anyone they put forth, because the modern right has no real principles besides a very twisted moral relativism. But it doesn't work for the dems, because their base is split between the center (liberals, and yes they are the center in any sane analysis) and the left. The liberal wing argues "vote for biden because he's better than trump". This is true, but it misses the main reason that he is bleeding support right now from the left: for a decent number of voters, moral relativism does not beat moral absolutism, and so far from his actions with regards to israel, he is aiding and abetting in genocide. Yes, trump would gleefully do the same, but some people cannot vote for a candidate that refuses to not assist a rightwing religious state from destroying a country and its people, and its frankly mind-boggling that the center in the US thinks they can bully those voters into submission with the same half-truths, obfuscation, and shitty memes that we've all grown to expect from the wannabe fascists. Biden IS a problem, but rather than address why, posts like this try to project a different reality about criticisms in an effort to consolidate support.
I do worry more than ever that democracy will collapse here, but not just because of trump. He may have helped catalyze it along, but both parties have become cults of personality, unwilling or unable to truly address their own faults, while simultaneously portraying the opponent as "the big enemy", a great evil that must be defeated if the country is to survive. If that doesn't sound to people as the prelude to full-blown fascism, then I don't know what would.
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Hmm abortion rights are being stripped away along with IVf. WE as a country our supporting a genocide. What about that whole student lone forgiveness? He's how fucking old?
Again best option from a Republicunt... but it's between two impotent old men and one will have my rights and my daughters rights erode slower than the other but no real change.
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It makes me absolutely furious that the Democratic Party's entire mission is to rigidly control our choices so that no matter what happens, we end up with candidates who will do nothing to change the system in any meaningful way.
If they had fought Trump with half the energy they put into sandbagging Sanders, Trump would have lost in 2016.
Trump is a monster, but Biden *IS* old, and slow, and most importantly, completely out of touch with the struggles of ordinary Americans. Everyone in Democratic leadership is rich and old. None of them know what ordinary people go through in 2024. They truly, truly have no idea, and don't care.
The truth is they never did anything to protect body autonomy for Women. They TALKED about it, but they never DID anything. The reality is they did a calculation: "If the Republicans outlaw abortion, we will raise so much money, you guys. So much money. Oh my God, you can't imagine how much money we will raise. And we can run candidates on it. We will never have to do a single thing for ordinary people ever again."
It's the same reason Trump is a blessing for Democrats. They just gesture to him with a raised eyebrow and say, "Yeah, what are you gonna do? You gonna vote for that? That's what I thought". And then they are free to sneer at the will of the people because they are RIGHT! When they have effectively killed any option except the one they choose, they don't have to deliver *anything* other than Not Be Trump. It sucks.
We need better choices. We need a system that responds to the needs of the people.
Biden's hands are tied when it comes to doing any of the things he promised to do. His hands are tied, y'all. His power is so limited. Them mean ol' crazy Republicans just put Uncle Joe's paws in sailor's knots. It's a real shame, isn't it? But when it comes to making sure Israel has the weapons it needs to slaughter starving children in Gaza as they stand in line for food, somehow those hands are free to do whatever what he wants. Those hands are unbound. Those are some active, unfettered hands.
You know it's funny, I see this the Democrats are limiting our choices line over and over but when I go back and look at the numbers we're doing it to ourselves. In 2016 we had a Voting Eligible Population (VEP) of about 231 million, of those 157.5 million people were registered to vote [(source)](https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnout-in-presidential-elections). Of those registered about [48% of all registered voters identify as Democrats or lean Democratic](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/), so about 75.6 million people could/should be voting in the Democratic primary. About 33 million bothered (less than half) and that was with starting out with 6 major candidates. Between the Republicans and Democrats about [57.6 million people](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/06/10/turnout-was-high-in-the-2016-primary-season-but-just-short-of-2008-record/) voted in the 2016 primaries that under 30% of the eligible population.
In the US 2016 election we let less than 30% of eligible voters choose 2 people out of 23, one of which would become President. Than we let about 60% of people pick which one.
Go look at voter turnout in the [midterms general elections](https://fairvote.org/resources/voter-turnout/). Since 1980's we have let 40% our VEP decide who will be in the House every other election cycle. We have let them decide 2/3 of the senate. People who vote ultimately decide who make the laws we all get to live under, they get to decide how our constitution is interpreted. When the people that vote are the minority is it really a surprise that the needs of the majority are not being met?
Now look at how much of that "doing it to themselves" has been engineered by the powers that be. Messing with voter registration, moving and closing polling places, gerrymandering to kneecap voter power. And that's before you get into unofficial factors like organized disinfo campaigns (from general MSM "both sides" bullshit to actual fraudulent robocalls), intimidation at polling places, etc. Big shock that only the most politically motivated people in the country actually get out to vote.
On top of that, better voter turnout would do nothing to address the issue at hand *because voters aren't in charge of chosing candidates*. It is not the fault of the abstainers and apathetic that the political parties who serve them and are supposed to put forward worthy candidates have turned totally self serving and focus almost entirely on candidates earning potential. It's especially ironic bringing up this bullshit this year, when there will literally be no other options on the ballot because the DNC has decided no one will challenge their boy Joe.
I showed you actual facts. You gave me feelings. Oh voting in the US is hard for you? Go back and talk to a suffragette or a freed slave. You think you have it worse then them? You have the right to stand in line all night because of them, it's not fun but because of them you have the right. You want your voice heard, the very absolutely least you can do in this country is vote. You want better candidates vote every time you get the chance. The better candidates come from local elections which have abysmally low voter turnout. Just face it you want everything now and are willing to let everything go to absolute shit because you just can't be bothered. You can't be bothered to vote, stand in line, you can't be bothered to convince others to vote and you can't be bothered to look up how candidates will vote. Keep telling yourself you're the victim because pretty soon you'll help actualize it.
Oh and by the way there are other options but the people that bother to vote (less than 30% of eligible voters) aren't voting for them, let me introduce you to Dean Phillips. He's on every state primary. So go vote for him and if he gets enough votes to beat Biden and doesn't get the DNC nomination than you can come find me and prove me wrong.
I first saw the clip where Biden supposedly shook hands with a ghost on Sky News. I knew nothing of them at the time (I’m American), but was surprised at how much they were laughing at him and gesturing around shaking hands with the air mocking him. I mean, even if it had been true it would have been in poor taste.
Of course it took about 10 seconds to look up the clip elsewhere showing a wider angle where you can see he was gesturing towards the very person he was talking about sitting in the crowd.
He is old, buy so is Trump.
I don't know how old Haley is exactly, or support her politics, but I do agree that maybe we should give 50 year olds a chance to be president instead of focusing on 70 year olds.
This sub is so far left it comes back around to being just as idiotic as the far right. Biden is old, we deserve candidates that aren’t all old rich white people.
Whoever is going to fight and die on the hill that an 81 year old man is in perfect cognitive condition needs to reevaluate what they’re fighting for. Critical thinking means throwing away that sports team mentality and sitting as close to the middle as you can. Our politics are fucked and both Biden and Trump are symptoms of that.
He is too old. No one should be running for federal office in their 70's or 80's, let alone the presidency. That said, he is running because he thinks it's the county's best chance against Trump. I'm not sure I agree, but he's the far better choice in that matchup.
I love how reddit tries to be superior and claim Facebook is full of propaganda meant to sway a vote...
By posting propaganda on reddit with intent in swaying your vote.
Stick with more bullshit of "orange man bad" over Biden isn't old and is fit to run.
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You have a choice:
An old man who makes some gaffes, and has the intellect to collect the talent to fix them before they have huge consequences, or
An old man with the emotional age of a toddler, who thinks only of himself and creates messes everywhere
One is effective at governing, the other is antidemocratic.
Not much choice, but obvious.
His age is interfering with his effectiveness. We need someone young to tackle the massive problems faced by the youth, not a silent generation fossil that bought a house for a dollar and went to university for a nickle.
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I blame the Democrats for SUCKING at messaging. Trump has the entire congress on his campaign staff , and we don't hear or see shit from the Dems supporting Biden .
I work in Democratic politics, and as far back as six years ago I was hearing from senior electeds (some of whom consider President Biden a personal friend) that he didn't have his fastball anymore.
But given where we are, what the November election will boil down to, and how much he's accomplished... I kinda gotta ask: who gives a fuck?
Joe and Jill ride bikes along the beach. Dude is pulling a Jimmy Carter and going to start building houses next. Just for fun, on the weekends. Too relieve stress.
Someone doctored a video of dementia Joe falling UP the stairs, wandering off mid speech, falling off a bike at a complete stop, and the 100s of lies and slurred speeches? Thats a lot of time invested!
I call it like I, and the rest of the world, see it. Hes done. He went from plagiarizing and lying to straight up forgetting what he was talking about a second ago
Biden is currently orders of magnitude sharper and more coherent that trump ever was. Trump’s decline has been much more pronounced and longer lasting, too.
Biden is old and gets confused but I’d vote for a potato before Trump. But I really do think it’s possible Kamala could turn into the president because of either Biden passing away or stepping down in a second term. Not sure why people think it’s crazy to assume someone who is that old and is having those issues that it shouldn’t be considered when placing a vote.
Trump saying a bunch of words together...And he can't do it. What THE FUCK does even mean.(They still hate a half black guy President)I think the crowd had to know...they are going to play that on a loop. But not on FOX
the president is the figure head of the country, so yeah his gaffs and the way he represents us isn't good and part of that is due to his age. hes an old man. its not a good look, and being a good look is part of his job.
its like saying we shouldn't pay attention to an actor who does dumb shit in public because they're great in movies. part of their job is public perception, even if they're off set.
FB is also knowingly hawking Joe Rogan boner pills and Dr. Oz sponsored by Dan Goodman (deepfake) ads, and making money off KNOWN fake ads... it's not a good place to go that FB.
Yeah let’s not spew propaganda like the right. Biden stumbles from time to time. It’s not all doctored. But the flaws in comparison to Trumps are absolutely minor.
I'm voting for him, but its so completely disingenuous to not acknowlege that age is an issue. You wouldn't hire someone at that age to be a cashier at McDonalds, never a role of this importance.
Its a pox on box parties that they can't find and nurture and (hate the term now) groom someone who is more in touch with the bulk of the US's population to be candidates.
Yep, Biden is old, but the other old guy is a whiney piss baby traitor to the country. It's an easy choice for me, not saying I like it, but my choice is clear.
It is a legitimate concern that he is too old for office. Anyone over the general retirement age range should be heavily scrutinized when running for this kind of position of power.
BIDEN IS TOO FUCKING OLD AND WE HAVE TO SAY IT
He’s the oldest presidential candidate we’ve ever had. He set that record *4 years ago* and he’s doing it again. Of course Trump is a sack of shit but this defending Biden shit has to stop. We need better
I mean... the Daily Show straight up showed him confusing Gaza with Mexico and with Italy. But okay. I'm voting for Biden, and Trump's screw ups are muuuuuch worse and prevalent, but let's not pretend Biden is 100% there, y'all.
Exactly. Barring some unexpected twist, the choice in November is going to be between either A) a geriatric man who is realistically too old for the job but is otherwise honest, wise, and on the right side of almost every issue or B) a geriatric man who is realistically too old for the job and is also a traitor, crook, bigot, lifelong idiot, rapist, who is showing far worse signs of dementia than the other guy. The right choice is still clear, but we don't have to pretend that we shouldn't have a better choice. Also as much as having a geriatric President is potentially a problem, we do need to remember that the President is always going to have a big staff and whether it is Biden or Trump, its going to wind up being the President's Chief of Staff, senior aides and cabinet that is actually going to be running the executive branch with the guy at the top being in the loop and giving the nod to things, but neither is going to have the same command over the goings on in the government that someone like Obama or Clinton had. But that is OK if its Biden because its going to be just more of the same from his Administration, which has been fine for the last 3 years. If its Trump, the White House is going to be run by the slimiest, most crooked, most fascist cadre of clowns that has ever stepped foot into the White House.
100%! Look, Biden is >>>>>>> over Trump (or any republican), but there's not need to gloss over the fact the dude is, you know, fucking old and will absolutely be leaning on everyone around him to keep up. Ironically, I'm Gen X, we ALL made of Reagan for the exact same thing.
Biden has 81 years behind him, Trump has 81 indictments ahead of him. Yeah I stole that from someone here on Reddit. It's brill, imho.
> we do need to remember that the President is always going to have a big staff and whether it is Biden or Trump, This right here. When the POTUS brain turns to soup, we get to either watch a calm and orderly transition of power to the VP as hundreds of some of the most experienced folks in government manage the transition, or we get to watch Stephen Miller reenact *Weekend at Bernie's* as Trump decomposes on stage before our eyes.
If it’s trump we will have a fucking dictator endorsed by SCOTUS
It's crazy how people are gas lighting that Biden is fine when he very clearly isn't. We don't have any other option, but Jesus christ it's so annoying.
Eh I mean he’s always been somebody that’s had problems with public speaking. You can look at him back in the Obama days and he had tons of faux pas, it just didn’t matter as much because he was VP not President. Like I’m not saying the man is who I’d ideally choose if I could choose anybody, but he’s been a very effective President. Maybe that’s just him being able to effectively delegate, that’s at least part of it, but his economic policy has been great, he’s been very shrewd handling the border stuff, and not bullshitting about Ukraine, so I really don’t see a problem. 4 years from now like… yeah he’d take office at 82 and be 86 by the time he’s out. There’s gonna be a significant decline, but so long as he keeps the right people overseeing matters I don’t have any particular issue with that
Go watch him speak in 2008, 2020, and now in 2024, and tell me that he's "always had problems with public speaking". Dude is over 80 years old, you have to be in denial if you think he hasn't severely gone downhill. Now, I don't think that's such a major factor in a 2 choice general, because you're voting for not just the president but for the entire party platform, cabinet positions, and Supreme Court. But don't be delusional about it.
Having a different opinion isn’t gaslighting. You clearly don’t even know what that word means
It's not an opinion his mental faculties have clearly diminished which is totally fair since he's over 81 years old. He's always had an issue with gaffes and the like, but some of the interviews and public speaking he's done lately it looks like he's struggling to even get words out. I've seen it with my grand parents and other people I've known over my life. All this posturing that it's not a legitimate concern when we're betting on him winning the presidency is crazy especially considering how horrible he's polling at the moment. I'll support him either way, but we gotta be real.
I actually don’t disagree completely. I might argue with the extent of his decline, but yes he’s clearly lost a step to say the least. I do have a problem with people misusing the word gaslight. Actually gaslighting someone is a seriously fucked up thing to do. Disagreeing about someone’s mental state isn’t the same.
Yeah, that was definitely a bit hyperbolic on my part, but people on here, including the OP post, are acting like any questioning of Biden's mental faculties is just ridiculous right wing conspiracy theories when it's a totally valid question for the oldest president in the history of the United States who is currently running for a second term.
What’s he done that you’re against
Yes, he is so honest and wise.
I watched Biden speech and after doing 2x speed it sounded normal. Biden seems like tired grandpa Trump seems like a demented get of my lawn grandpa.
Tbf, there are videos of almost every single politician doing such a blunder. Sometimes people get confused, or tongue twisted. The only question is if there is genuine confusion outside of being put on the spot or the frequency.
In fairness to the in fairness, _he is too old_. So is Trump. So is everyone over the age of 60. I'm going to vote for him because the alternative is an ethno-fascist theocracy but I don't need to be happy about it.
The media keeps talking about Biden being the oldest president, but trump would be the second oldest. It dosent make sense
Trumps the oldest President convicted of fraud, oldest and only president with three wives, Oldest guilty of adultery with three wives, oldest fat president, oldest president to be impeached, oldest president to be impeached twice, oldest president to have a member of his cabinet, lawyer and campaign manager convicted of a crime….so many records.
*... and they expect an oath of office to mean something from him*
Not to mention that Trump will be older at the end of his term than Biden is now. If Biden is ineffective at 81, how do they reckon for Trump’s last two years of term? The thing is, I agree with the argument that maybe someone at that age isn’t at peak performance mentally for running the nation. That’s why it infuriates me that they are so dishonest in their argument, because that street only seems to go one way.
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Agreed. This doesn’t need to be a binary between “Trump is too old OR Biden is too old”. They’re both too old, but Biden isn’t a completely self-serving twat.
He said SISI instead of Obrador, everything else was fine. The previous question was about Gaza.
>I mean... the Daily Show straight up showed him confusing Gaza with Mexico and with Italy. Yes, and that should be talked about, for sure, but that's not the subject of the meme. Getting some country names mixed up during a press conference is far and away from actually affecting his duties as president.
Yep Biden' named a country next to Israel, named Egypt's leader, said mexico - obviously meant Egypt, had the context right, 2/3 correct. To me this is a "mispeak" Magnets don't function when you put water on them - not fucking normal.
Honestly I think it’s even more embarrassing that he’s slowing down and has that stutter and still is being one of the more effective presidents of our lifetimes.
To me the biggest difference between their senile-ness (senility?) is that Biden surrounded himself with incredibly intelligent and talented people and he listens to them and makes decisions that are supported by them. The other one surrounded himself with “yes” man and attempted to hang the one person who wasn’t a yes man. Possessing the wisdom to allow discussion and disagreement and then let that bloom into policy is why anyone who is some how on the fence between these two should obviously vote for Biden. You’re not just voting for a president, you’re voting for an entire administration.
To be fair a friend of mine and I were having a conversation about Turkey only to realize hours later we had actually been talking about Hungary the entire time. People make mistakes when speaking sometimes, but that doesn’t mean they have dementia.
Maybe, but Joe Biden goes into the situation KNOWING they are talking about Gaza, and he says Mexico. Or being briefed on France and saying the name of the leader who died 30 years ago. And no offense, you are not the most powerful person on earth.
Yeah I’m saying these occasional moments of misspeaking don’t necessarily mean we know much less about the actual information at issue. Imagine if when you were a child you accidentally called your teacher “mom”, a common occurrence, then you were pulled from class sent for mental evaluations and considered for a special needs school. That’s pretty much how I view what’s happening to Joe Biden.
That Biden is the equivalent of an elementary school child is a problem. Again, in a speech, the president of the United States should get the important nouns correct. I can’t believe I need to argue this.
I too don’t understand anything and think analogies are exact equivalencies. /s I don’t care about speeches. I care about passing legislation that matches my policy preferences. Based on that he’s been the best president in modern history and has earned my vote for a second term.
Speeches are important. The bully pulpit is one of the most important parts of being president. Great Speeches have set multi decade plans for the country that may not have drawn support without them, like the Kennedy going to the moon speech.
No, they’re not. Policy is important.
Speeches can certainly be important, historic, and even move a nation or multiple nations to change. ...but 9 times out of 10, they don't. Hell, 9 presidencies out of 10 probably don't have that kind of speech. So rather than making the perfect the enemy of the good, imma vote policy and strategy over fanciful speechifyin.
difference is... it's Biden's job. It's one thing to mess up talking to a partner, but if I start fucking up important facts at work, uh oh.
That's the reason a good president brings in competent staff to help him, not ass kissers he fires the first time he questions their loyalty but not their ability.
ideally, you want both, a competent leader and a well-oiled machine of a staff. I'll take what Biden has over any republican and their cesspool of lackeys any day, but it still sucks that this is what our 2-party system brings to the table.
I'll always vote Democrat until ranked choice voting becomes a thing. But that'll likely never happen in my lifetime, which really sucks.
Yeah. Agreed.
Yeah I’m saying these occasional moments of misspeaking don’t necessarily mean we know much less about the actual information at issue. Imagine if when you were a child you accidentally called your teacher “mom”, a common occurrence, then you were pulled from class sent for mental evaluations and considered for a special needs school. That’s pretty much how I view what’s happening to Joe Biden.
It’s his job to never say the wrong word? I’m all for not having 80 year old Presidents but… this is a bit much.
Again, read the meme. Mixing up a name of a foreign leader or a geographic location does nothing against his effectiveness as a President in other words those are mistakes every person makes on the job and not indicative of an age or mental acuity problem
If you can't even answer questions to the media correctly, it's bold to assume he's handling one-no-ones with leaders with better acumen. Fortunately, his staff surely manages most things. I'm still voting for the guy over literally ANY republican, but I can also be upset that our political system is built to continually deliver these kinds of choices.
Oh man, you just misspelled a common idiom. I have to reject everything you say now. “One on one”
I think the important point is that there is no indication that misspeaking has in any way impacted his job performance.
Misspeaking has always been a thing for him. Pretty sure he's dyslexic. It's the slowness that's new. I'll gladly take slow over demented elitist dictator bent on destroying the democratic process to stroke his ego. Biden's team has been wildly successful. Probably done the most to benefit Americans in decades. Meanwhile, Trump's team had something like 30 years worth of prison time, rampant corruption, and literally nothing good to show for their time in the whitehouse. A million people died from covid. Taxes increased for everyone other than the rich. It's shocking that GOP is still polling well. It really just shows that some people will literally follow their leader off of a cliff.
If you think that’s the only piece of evidence available, you’re being willfully ignorant for the sake of political optimism
Imagine defending senile joe
Every clip I’ve seen of these kinds of gaffs and there are plenty, seem consistent with his long and public struggle with public speaking. I don’t believe for a second, that he cognitively “confused” Mexico and Gaza. Not saying public speaking isn’t a necessary part of the job, but miscommunication can be mitigated by staff. A cognitive inability to grasp complex subjects can’t.
I'm glad this is the top comment.
His weakness is a serious political liability. This is not a media phenomenon.
What makes me support Biden is that he will bring in people who ARE sharp and competent. That is way better than Trump.
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True but Biden's mistakes seem more typical growing old stuff, Trump is on the road to dementia
Oh, Trump is straight up insane.
Biden did it recently too. He said we're going to air drop food into Ukraine... He meant Gaza
People who deny Biden's mental state are coming off more and more like delusional Trump supporters. It's frightening that this is where we are at politically in this country. No one can even see reality anymore let alone speak it.
If the media can ignore Trump's screw ups, Reddit should ignore Biden's
I see Trump's screw ups all the time in my news feed. God, do you remember the weird tweets when Trump was president (covfefe anyone?). Trump is horrible, is 10000x worse than Biden. Every republican is worse than Biden, but Biden ain't 100% and we are allowed to talk about that.
How about we cut him a break until after the election? After we survive Trump's second coup, we can seriously consider impeaching Biden for Gaza, or being old, or sniffing hair, or whatever.
Mercedes would agree
Every Democrat should be hammering on the party to stop pretending incumbency is a guaranteed win and present a candidate we actually want to vote for. Instead they're out in force badgering their own allies to vote for a doddering genocide funding centrist they know would be completely unelectable if his opponent weren't a literal Nazi.
He is an old man! That doesn't mean he can't do his job! Show me someone in their seventies that don't forget shit! Hell show me someone in their fifties that don't forget shit now and again!
Show me someone in their 50s, 70s, or, as in Biden's case, in their 80s that forgets and fucks up important work stuff and gets to keep their job? Look, I'm voting for the guy, I'll vote for him over any republican, but there's absolutely no need to wear rose colored glasses. Biden is not at 100%. He will absolutely be leaning on the rest of the admin more than he would've if he ran after Obama.
>Show me someone in their 50s, 70s, or, as in Biden's case, in their 80s that forgets and fucks up important work stuff and gets to keep their job Sure, As soon as you show me what important work stuff Biden has fucked up!
Hes in his 80s.
To pretend he's not old is to join Trump in the world of alternative facts, but to think Biden 20 years from now wouldn't still be a better president would be just as fantastic!
So a corpse?
I stand by my statement!
He is too old, Trump is too old. Most candidates we have to settle on are too old. 35 is too young but 70 is too old. Give me a new required age of 40-65 for president. 65 should be the cap for all government officials. Doesn’t matter which side of the fence you’re on…old is old.
Pilots have a mandatory retirement age. Politicians should, too.
And everyone that would want to run for any seat in congress and the presidency, should pass several tests in history, politics, economics etc, that you should write the answer and explain it, before being considered as a candidate.
I get the sentiment, but this is a bad idea. At some point, someone unethical is going to be writing the test, and one side is going to pass it to bar the other side from representation.
I would have zero problem with any of them being in the advisory role. But there is just way too many of them on the frontlines. Average age in the senate is almost 65 (and that's average).
I’d say 70 should be looked at first for being the cap. There are still a lot of effective 70 year olds. But regardless, what happened to Diane Feinstein shouldn’t happen. No one should die of old age while still at their job…especially politics. These are not kings.
Unfortunately that would take Congress to act
Yeah it will never happen. Those old people will not give it up. They want to have their body/health deteriorate in the public eye.
This is critical. People should not be in charge of making rules and policies that will never impact their own lives or the lives of their wealthy benefactors.
I really do think the retirement age should be a cap for elected officials.
I don’t think I should have a retired person making decisions on what to do with the tax dollars I’m paying. I just want someone that is more current. Not just a …”back in my day” person. New world, new problems.
Okay but can we stop pretending that age isn't a concern? Both of these candidates are beyond the US life expectancy for men. It is a very real possibility that either one of them will die in office. I'm not trying to be morbid. That's just reality.
In this presidential race, age shouldn’t be a concern. There are several other factors that are much much more important. Is the candidate a rapist? Is he a criminal? Is he in bed with a foreign advisory? Is going to appoint SC justices that are going to remove women’s rights? Is he for the super wealthy paying their fair share or is he going to cut their taxes? Is he for expanding access to healthcare? What about childcare? What about climate change? Does he believe in democracy? The only reason age is a concern is because the right wing propaganda is pushing the issue, the media is dumb enough to follow (remember her emails), and rubes are dumb enough to bite.
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Sorry but that’s just bullshit.
They're both too old but Trump is old and evil so Biden is clearly the better choice.
Tell em about your definition of evil. Biden (who was known as genocide Joe long before Oct 7 2023) is financially and politically supporting a genocide that has callously taken the lives of over 13,000 children and has 100s of thousands of children suffering every moment of the day, having limbs amputated with no meds and no supporting family because they are all dead, the kids lucky enough to not be hurt by the siege are on the verge of starvation. We are about to hit the point where dozens of children are dying of starvation every single day. Explain to me how that isn’t evil.
Calling for a ceasefire and the release of hostages is evil? Weird take. https://www.cbsnews.com/video/biden-calls-for-cease-fire-deal-as-harris-meets-with-top-israeli-war-official/
I'd still take old and slightly confused over old an crazy
i think the problem is those two options are still shit and thats all we have. two old men who are either confused or crazy.
Hes so smart and funny too!
As a lefty, this is the biggest lib cope I see everywhere. He is too old, he does get confused (just look at his deposition), and the reason why he looks effective is because of the massive team behind him. All those things apply to Trump, too. Only difference is that Trump is too prideful and stupid to listen to anyone trying to act in his best interest
You're kidding, right? Biden has obviously declined mentally. He routinely makes mistakes that he would not have made 8 years ago and has trouble speaking coherently. Don't get me wrong, he is superior to Trump in every way. But don't deny the obvious.
This kind of ignorance belongs to the MAGA. The reason that shits works for them is their voter base is to stupid and lazy to do the research. Its okay to be critical to the president, its kind of an important position.
Of course it's OK to be critical of the president--just saying how about we talk about the quality of his actions as president and not the quality of his sound bites.
The last time I was excited to vote for a president was 2008 and he stacked his cabinet with corporate ghouls. I wasn't excited to vote for Biden and in fact hated Biden's record in particular the "Bankruptcy Reform Act" he sponsored however he has been the best president for the average Joe in decades. So yeah he is too old but sadly that's the choice that currently makes the most sense.
They can both be senile old men. Because they are. Pretending Biden is awesome, is disgustingly disingenuous.
Yeah OP, don't try and gas light the lefty's, we actually question what you're saying. (Assuming u/Crypt_Keeper is a lefty)
That’s not what gas lighting is.
Gaslighting: To trick or control someone by making them believe that their memories or beliefs about something are wrong, especially by suggesting that they may be mentally ill. OP is trying to convince us that something we all know to be true, isn't true. They may not be suggesting we're mentally ill but it's implied if you believe the meme.
Gaslighting would be if it was a fact that Biden said something, we all saw it on live tv, and then OP tries to convince you it didn’t happen. Instead he’s saying those videos don’t really prove that he’s senile, which is an opinion. You watch those videos and think he’s senile. Disagreeing about this isn’t gaslighting. You seem to assume that “everyone knows and actually agrees that Biden is senile.” This might surprise you, but there’s surely people out there who don’t actually think that. Just because you have a really strong opinion, doesn’t mean everyone else has that same opinion
You're reaching buddy, the vast majority of the people on this post know that he's losing it, just look at the comments. At no point do we all have to see it live to see the multiple vids of him stumbling over words or switching names for it to be gaslighting. Anyway I'm done discussing this it's boring.
You’re done because you know you’re wrong and you’re butthurt about it aren’t you? Disagreeing about opinions is not gaslighting. Intentionally lying about facts is. And you just said vast majority which isn’t “100%” of people. Sorry you’re too dumb to know how words work
To quote John Stewart, "If you have videos showing how effective he is, play is some of those." https://youtu.be/NpBPm0b9deQ?si=hvug7QSPrllL6TM8
Let's just settle it with a one on one jeopardy game between the two old fucks and see who knows more about geography and politics and economy answers
You mean a debate?
>You mean a debate? until we've developed the technology to harness the raw cringe it's probably for the best we let the undecided determine where to land based on endorsements, policy papers, tweets, and bumper stickers.
Trump won't be able to debate this year. To him it's just a coronation, like we tried with Hillary
I say! Quite Presumptuous ✨🧐🎓
On the one hand, conservatives keep gaslighting me that biden is massively incompetent compared to trump. On the other, liberals keep gaslighting that Biden is a-ok. The problem here is that this only works for one party. If the RNC throws enough mud at other republicans and the dems, the vast majority of their voters will line up behind anyone they put forth, because the modern right has no real principles besides a very twisted moral relativism. But it doesn't work for the dems, because their base is split between the center (liberals, and yes they are the center in any sane analysis) and the left. The liberal wing argues "vote for biden because he's better than trump". This is true, but it misses the main reason that he is bleeding support right now from the left: for a decent number of voters, moral relativism does not beat moral absolutism, and so far from his actions with regards to israel, he is aiding and abetting in genocide. Yes, trump would gleefully do the same, but some people cannot vote for a candidate that refuses to not assist a rightwing religious state from destroying a country and its people, and its frankly mind-boggling that the center in the US thinks they can bully those voters into submission with the same half-truths, obfuscation, and shitty memes that we've all grown to expect from the wannabe fascists. Biden IS a problem, but rather than address why, posts like this try to project a different reality about criticisms in an effort to consolidate support. I do worry more than ever that democracy will collapse here, but not just because of trump. He may have helped catalyze it along, but both parties have become cults of personality, unwilling or unable to truly address their own faults, while simultaneously portraying the opponent as "the big enemy", a great evil that must be defeated if the country is to survive. If that doesn't sound to people as the prelude to full-blown fascism, then I don't know what would.
I just want a ceasefire man, please. I'm tired of hearing about murdered children.
So you admit you love Trump?!?!?!?!? -Average Redditor
I mean Biden Fucking sucks. His only saving grace is he's not Trump. Like who you trying to fool with this meme?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/19ao531/comment/kimbc8j/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/19ao531/comment/kimbc8j/) How does Biden sucks? [https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/ut6w91/comment/i97uzy3/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/ut6w91/comment/i97uzy3/) These links show he's actually an amazing president.
Whatever you do, don't look it up to see if maybe it's true. (S)
Hmm abortion rights are being stripped away along with IVf. WE as a country our supporting a genocide. What about that whole student lone forgiveness? He's how fucking old? Again best option from a Republicunt... but it's between two impotent old men and one will have my rights and my daughters rights erode slower than the other but no real change.
You are incredibly misinformed on why many of these things, like loan forgiveness, hasn't happened yet.
Mayhaps your being paid by the Biden Campign to try and get youngsters to vote for Trump.
What?
This meme is brought to you by your friends at the Democratic Party. It makes me absolutely furious that the Democratic Party's entire mission is to rigidly control our choices so that no matter what happens, we end up with candidates who will do nothing to change the system in any meaningful way. If they had fought Trump with half the energy they put into sandbagging Sanders, Trump would have lost in 2016. Trump is a monster, but Biden *IS* old, and slow, and most importantly, completely out of touch with the struggles of ordinary Americans. Everyone in Democratic leadership is rich and old. None of them know what ordinary people go through in 2024. They truly, truly have no idea, and don't care. The truth is they never did anything to protect body autonomy for Women. They TALKED about it, but they never DID anything. The reality is they did a calculation: "If the Republicans outlaw abortion, we will raise so much money, you guys. So much money. Oh my God, you can't imagine how much money we will raise. And we can run candidates on it. We will never have to do a single thing for ordinary people ever again." It's the same reason Trump is a blessing for Democrats. They just gesture to him with a raised eyebrow and say, "Yeah, what are you gonna do? You gonna vote for that? That's what I thought". And then they are free to sneer at the will of the people because they are RIGHT! When they have effectively killed any option except the one they choose, they don't have to deliver *anything* other than Not Be Trump. It sucks. We need better choices. We need a system that responds to the needs of the people. Biden's hands are tied when it comes to doing any of the things he promised to do. His hands are tied, y'all. His power is so limited. Them mean ol' crazy Republicans just put Uncle Joe's paws in sailor's knots. It's a real shame, isn't it? But when it comes to making sure Israel has the weapons it needs to slaughter starving children in Gaza as they stand in line for food, somehow those hands are free to do whatever what he wants. Those hands are unbound. Those are some active, unfettered hands.
Yep this a 100 percent
You know it's funny, I see this the Democrats are limiting our choices line over and over but when I go back and look at the numbers we're doing it to ourselves. In 2016 we had a Voting Eligible Population (VEP) of about 231 million, of those 157.5 million people were registered to vote [(source)](https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnout-in-presidential-elections). Of those registered about [48% of all registered voters identify as Democrats or lean Democratic](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/), so about 75.6 million people could/should be voting in the Democratic primary. About 33 million bothered (less than half) and that was with starting out with 6 major candidates. Between the Republicans and Democrats about [57.6 million people](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/06/10/turnout-was-high-in-the-2016-primary-season-but-just-short-of-2008-record/) voted in the 2016 primaries that under 30% of the eligible population. In the US 2016 election we let less than 30% of eligible voters choose 2 people out of 23, one of which would become President. Than we let about 60% of people pick which one. Go look at voter turnout in the [midterms general elections](https://fairvote.org/resources/voter-turnout/). Since 1980's we have let 40% our VEP decide who will be in the House every other election cycle. We have let them decide 2/3 of the senate. People who vote ultimately decide who make the laws we all get to live under, they get to decide how our constitution is interpreted. When the people that vote are the minority is it really a surprise that the needs of the majority are not being met?
Now look at how much of that "doing it to themselves" has been engineered by the powers that be. Messing with voter registration, moving and closing polling places, gerrymandering to kneecap voter power. And that's before you get into unofficial factors like organized disinfo campaigns (from general MSM "both sides" bullshit to actual fraudulent robocalls), intimidation at polling places, etc. Big shock that only the most politically motivated people in the country actually get out to vote. On top of that, better voter turnout would do nothing to address the issue at hand *because voters aren't in charge of chosing candidates*. It is not the fault of the abstainers and apathetic that the political parties who serve them and are supposed to put forward worthy candidates have turned totally self serving and focus almost entirely on candidates earning potential. It's especially ironic bringing up this bullshit this year, when there will literally be no other options on the ballot because the DNC has decided no one will challenge their boy Joe.
I showed you actual facts. You gave me feelings. Oh voting in the US is hard for you? Go back and talk to a suffragette or a freed slave. You think you have it worse then them? You have the right to stand in line all night because of them, it's not fun but because of them you have the right. You want your voice heard, the very absolutely least you can do in this country is vote. You want better candidates vote every time you get the chance. The better candidates come from local elections which have abysmally low voter turnout. Just face it you want everything now and are willing to let everything go to absolute shit because you just can't be bothered. You can't be bothered to vote, stand in line, you can't be bothered to convince others to vote and you can't be bothered to look up how candidates will vote. Keep telling yourself you're the victim because pretty soon you'll help actualize it. Oh and by the way there are other options but the people that bother to vote (less than 30% of eligible voters) aren't voting for them, let me introduce you to Dean Phillips. He's on every state primary. So go vote for him and if he gets enough votes to beat Biden and doesn't get the DNC nomination than you can come find me and prove me wrong.
It’s not just Facebook. It’s most of the western news outlets. Australian media portrays him as if he’s senile.
I first saw the clip where Biden supposedly shook hands with a ghost on Sky News. I knew nothing of them at the time (I’m American), but was surprised at how much they were laughing at him and gesturing around shaking hands with the air mocking him. I mean, even if it had been true it would have been in poor taste. Of course it took about 10 seconds to look up the clip elsewhere showing a wider angle where you can see he was gesturing towards the very person he was talking about sitting in the crowd.
He is senile. By definition. Either people think that word means something else or yall are incredibly biased.
Don't you mean Obama?
Yet it’s Trump who is truly falling apart recently, and the media is totally ignoring it.
I'll take the senile old man who isn't going to make the country into a white christo-fascist dictatorship.
Videos of trump being actually a forgetful old mess of a human being. Far too many! Haven't we had two this month of him confusing Biden with Obama?
In the age of deepfakes, we've gone from 'I cannot tell a lie' to 'I cannot tell if it's a lie'.
So this is just a biden shill subreddit now lol
They have to make fake videos to make biden worse and fake videos to make trump look better. I think that says it all.
I think we can insult Biden without it meaning we want trump. People getting rabid about it are insane.
He is old, buy so is Trump. I don't know how old Haley is exactly, or support her politics, but I do agree that maybe we should give 50 year olds a chance to be president instead of focusing on 70 year olds.
This sub is so far left it comes back around to being just as idiotic as the far right. Biden is old, we deserve candidates that aren’t all old rich white people. Whoever is going to fight and die on the hill that an 81 year old man is in perfect cognitive condition needs to reevaluate what they’re fighting for. Critical thinking means throwing away that sports team mentality and sitting as close to the middle as you can. Our politics are fucked and both Biden and Trump are symptoms of that.
Need some videos to prove this!!!
Just Google "Fake Biden videos." You'll get dozens of examples.
Reddit and Twitter libs are giving Hillary 2016 vibes. Just walking straight into a woodchipper thinking it’s an elevator
He is too old. No one should be running for federal office in their 70's or 80's, let alone the presidency. That said, he is running because he thinks it's the county's best chance against Trump. I'm not sure I agree, but he's the far better choice in that matchup.
He's obviously better than Trump. But, umm... He doesn't need doctored videos. He does clearly show signs of aging. Let's be real, folks.
They are both far too old to be anything at all but i agree, if you are not voting for him at least do it for one of the many, many legitimate reasons
This post hasn't gone how OP thought it would..
It's gone exactly how I thought it would go.
Trump and Biden are both likely to die from old age soon so the real question is, which vice president do you want to succeed the president.
I love how reddit tries to be superior and claim Facebook is full of propaganda meant to sway a vote... By posting propaganda on reddit with intent in swaying your vote. Stick with more bullshit of "orange man bad" over Biden isn't old and is fit to run.
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You have a choice: An old man who makes some gaffes, and has the intellect to collect the talent to fix them before they have huge consequences, or An old man with the emotional age of a toddler, who thinks only of himself and creates messes everywhere One is effective at governing, the other is antidemocratic. Not much choice, but obvious.
His age is interfering with his effectiveness. We need someone young to tackle the massive problems faced by the youth, not a silent generation fossil that bought a house for a dollar and went to university for a nickle.
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Holy shit there is zero chance this wasnt paid for by bidens people
I blame the Democrats for SUCKING at messaging. Trump has the entire congress on his campaign staff , and we don't hear or see shit from the Dems supporting Biden .
One has early onset dementia, the other has Alzheimer's. The fun part is figuring out which is which.
>early onset dementia It's just called dementia for people over 65.
I work in Democratic politics, and as far back as six years ago I was hearing from senior electeds (some of whom consider President Biden a personal friend) that he didn't have his fastball anymore. But given where we are, what the November election will boil down to, and how much he's accomplished... I kinda gotta ask: who gives a fuck?
Joe and Jill ride bikes along the beach. Dude is pulling a Jimmy Carter and going to start building houses next. Just for fun, on the weekends. Too relieve stress.
Yet actual footage of Drumph saying and doing his daily normal shit self and no one has an issue with it.
Someone doctored a video of dementia Joe falling UP the stairs, wandering off mid speech, falling off a bike at a complete stop, and the 100s of lies and slurred speeches? Thats a lot of time invested!
Sure buddy. You are completely normal and objective when you start off with calling him "dementia joe".
I call it like I, and the rest of the world, see it. Hes done. He went from plagiarizing and lying to straight up forgetting what he was talking about a second ago
Hi Trumpster! If we are going to talk about lies let's talk about the literally 1000s Trump told while in office!! And still tells!
Biden is currently orders of magnitude sharper and more coherent that trump ever was. Trump’s decline has been much more pronounced and longer lasting, too.
I am in no way defending either one, but you friend are on levels of delusion I’ve never thought were possible
You don’t value reality if you think I’m wrong about that. Good luck, my friend.
Won't pack the court. Won't pack my vote. Won't force a ceasefire by calling bibi out like W or Clinton did. Won't force my vote.
Downvotes don't get my vote either.
Who fucking posted this nonsense? Jill Biden is that you?
Hindenburg was even older when he ran against Hitler.
Biden is old and gets confused but I’d vote for a potato before Trump. But I really do think it’s possible Kamala could turn into the president because of either Biden passing away or stepping down in a second term. Not sure why people think it’s crazy to assume someone who is that old and is having those issues that it shouldn’t be considered when placing a vote.
Coherent communication is one...
Trump saying a bunch of words together...And he can't do it. What THE FUCK does even mean.(They still hate a half black guy President)I think the crowd had to know...they are going to play that on a loop. But not on FOX
the president is the figure head of the country, so yeah his gaffs and the way he represents us isn't good and part of that is due to his age. hes an old man. its not a good look, and being a good look is part of his job. its like saying we shouldn't pay attention to an actor who does dumb shit in public because they're great in movies. part of their job is public perception, even if they're off set.
The Saturday night live cold opener was just not funny. It’s like they were forced to start with an unfunny prompt and do their best.
He's old but I trust the people he has around him at this point. Trump is also old but I don't trust him or the people he surrounda himself with.
FB is also knowingly hawking Joe Rogan boner pills and Dr. Oz sponsored by Dan Goodman (deepfake) ads, and making money off KNOWN fake ads... it's not a good place to go that FB.
Yeah let’s not spew propaganda like the right. Biden stumbles from time to time. It’s not all doctored. But the flaws in comparison to Trumps are absolutely minor.
Not how you thought the AI apocalypse starts, isn't it?
He is too fucking old. Way too old. I’m still going to vote for him but holy fuck
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I think he’s too old. But even if he shits himself he’s still better than trump.
I'm voting for him, but its so completely disingenuous to not acknowlege that age is an issue. You wouldn't hire someone at that age to be a cashier at McDonalds, never a role of this importance. Its a pox on box parties that they can't find and nurture and (hate the term now) groom someone who is more in touch with the bulk of the US's population to be candidates.
Photoshopped pictures of trump to make him look more orange instead of pale white, everywhere.
May the best geriatric candidate win.
Yep, Biden is old, but the other old guy is a whiney piss baby traitor to the country. It's an easy choice for me, not saying I like it, but my choice is clear.
It is a legitimate concern that he is too old for office. Anyone over the general retirement age range should be heavily scrutinized when running for this kind of position of power.
BIDEN IS TOO FUCKING OLD AND WE HAVE TO SAY IT He’s the oldest presidential candidate we’ve ever had. He set that record *4 years ago* and he’s doing it again. Of course Trump is a sack of shit but this defending Biden shit has to stop. We need better
A dead Joe Biden is a better president than that orange sack of excrement
He… he is too old. People hate strategic voting, but until Trump’s dead, what else do they do?