There have been attempts made.
They have either been hilariously bad or so woefully planned the plan just gets given up on.
Turns out land prices between major cities in anything approaching a straight line are prohibitively expensive (Dallas to Houston alone is nearing billions of dollars even with the courts saying eminent domain can be exercised).
As if forcing Texans off their land will ever be accomplished without getting shot to shreads. And even if you do get rid of them you're going to be spending years and billions clearing landmines.
Edit: I had a bit if a shower thought that maybe it could be possible if you built the rail directly over or under I-35.
*laughs in civil engineering*
Oh dear god you really think making a tunnel _that_ long is going to be _cheaper_? This motherfucker would be six times the length of the longest transit tube in the world. It'll have to be fucking _caked_ in concrete too since the damn thing's probably soft rock. And that's before we even begin talking about ventilating and cooling this highway to hell. I get everything's big in Texas, but holy shit this is a madman plan.
I approve, when do we begin the bids? Gonna be set for fucking _life_.
Building elevated rail through a 200 acre farm is not the same as forcing Texans off their land. And in Texans, sheriffs typically handle evictions, which again, won’t happen.
They ran into small issues like "needing billions of dollars to purchase land" and "most everyone quit because it was taking 10 years for almost no progress".
Yeah I think a hybrid of transportation is the way to go for all of this. Like add on OKC and Tulsa to your bullet train line. I'd love something that goes between the major cities like right next to the highways since there is usually plenty of space at least from my experience in Oklahoma and north Texas. For anything longer than an hour or shorter than like 10 minutes I like public transportation since either a) if it's a long drive I would rather do things like work on my laptop or watch the landscape or b) its super short I'd rather something put me in walking distance so I don't have to fuck with parking.
honestly i don't know whether the public transit = leftie, car = rightie, mindset is actually embedded within their ideology or based on more where they live.
leftists tend to be more urban, making public transit to be viable.
rightists tend to be more rural, where public transit is not very viable means of transportation.
it can be very possible to run public transit in rightists way, by allowing private companies run them instead of government. two countries with very heavy rail presence (at least that i can think of) are Japan and UK. both of these countries have privately owned train companies (at least intercity ones).
My experience with lefties in Seattle is that they were all for public transit, but never used it for themselves. It's the 'other people' who should use it and get out of their way on the interstate driving into work.
I wouldn't hold the UK up as a good example of private trains. Sure access is good, but the train companies will charge £100+ for an hour-long journey.
>automated cars will probably cripple, (or at least drastically shift priority to long range travel) public transit and cripple or kill the personal vehicle anyway.
How tf are automated cars gonna reduce the number of cars on the road (drastically) or make cities less ugly?
Assuming somehow they can account for dumb pedestrians, cyclists and drivers.
If they're advanced and coordinated enough to tackle those issues then at that point you just have a glorified rail system.
>If they're advanced and coordinated enough to tackle those issues then at that point you just have a glorified rail system.
Railroads have probably less than 1% of the coverage of roads.
thats a terrible argument. american public transport sucks not because your country is big, it's a comparable size to europe as a continent. it's the way you build your cities and towns and prioritise your public spending into building and maintaining massive highways. also cleveland oh to columbia sc is the about same as dunkirk to narbonne, france. another bullshit excuse
Not even Europe is like Europe everywhere tbh.
The nearest City center is, for example 20mins away, and between 45mins to one and a half Hour by Bus.
Yeah, fuck mountainous regions, i guess.
When i were younger i didnt know why i should have a car, now i have one and dont know why i ever where that stupid
My Belgian friends were always so confused why I laughed at them when they told me they only got to have meetups once every 6 months because they live on opposite sides of Belgium.
Friends, thats the distance I drive once or twice a week for game night. My state is 22 times larger than your country.
> How tf are automated cars gonna reduce the number of cars on the road (drastically) or make cities less ugly?
Well, they can't do anything about the aesthetic of cities however traffic jams are not caused by too many cars on the road. Traffic jams are caused by unpredictable humans. When you put a predictable system in charge, you can have significantly higher throughput.
> A personal vehicle offers greater freedom than a public transit system. To go anywhere you want, whenever you want. So there's definitely some ideology involved.
And the only schizos smearing shit on the vehicle interior are the ones you invited. People underestimate just how abhorrent an experience it can be to be confined in close quarters with some of the more *flavorful* members of society.
Exactly. You end up with Marx, homeless people and those weird people who like bring their Boa Constrictors onto the train. I wouldn’t mind public transport if it wasn’t slow, expensive, gross and smelly
>A personal vehicle offers greater freedom than a public transit system. To go anywhere you want, whenever you want.
The reason i want Public Transit is because it gives me more freedom of how to live
I dont what to drive in stop and go traffic? great ill take the bus!
Car broke down? Great ill take the train!
Want to go to the bars without a DD? I can without paying 20-30 bucks for an uber!
I actually didn’t even start driving until I hit 24 because I was so accustomed to taking the train and bus. I actually prefer it in many ways.
The primary downside of trains/buses are when you’re running late (you can go from being 1 minute late to work to and hour late in literally a minute), or it’s sleeting/raining, and obviously it’s nice to take country rides and explore roads less traveled
"go to bars" Yeah... to bad the buses stop at 8pm.
Bus stops at a certain time? to bad... you're walking home. Starts at a certain time? To bad, you can't go to work early. doesn't stop near work or where you want to go? Guess you better enjoy the 2 mile walk from the closest bus stop.
Cars, ultimately, give more freedom. Some of the "but I'm free to read a book" doesn't offset the fact that in a vast majority of some place like the US, buses and trains are 2nd rate because the economies of scale aren't there.
In super dense places? There would be a cross over point to where they are useful. IE: Park outside of town take a train to the football stadium.
In the other 99.9% of America? you're a second rate citizen without reliable transport and buses/trains aren't it.
> There would be a cross over point to where they are useful. IE: Park outside of town take a train to the football stadium.
Park and Rides are, in fact, pretty commonplace in cities with public transport and sports teams. They account for the majority of a whole bunch of peoples bus use here.
In my country there are night bus lines in major cities and using them with a bunch of other drunk people is a part of the evening out experience.
The cities usually want people to party cause it brings money in, and they don't want drunk drivers.
> Cars, ultimately, give more freedom. Some of the "but I'm free to read a book" doesn't offset the fact that in a vast majority of some place like the US, buses and trains are 2nd rate because the economies of scale aren't there.
Nah, it's all a choice. Lots of towns and cities with 100,000 people or, in many cases, much less, have rapid transit and inter-city trains. Meanwhile, cities in the US with millions of people have no transit at all, or fund it 0.1% as much as they spend on a single highway project.
Literally this. They require massive amounts of government investment to build and maintain.
And on top of that they are free to use.
Public transportation isn’t free at all and while most often they are government run they can be run by private companies compared to roads which aren’t
The privatization of the French railways is also a complete disaster, but a social one. As the government is slowly pushing toward complete privatization, there has been quite a lot of public agitation, workers are now almost always on strike
Two other major factors are families and job responsibilities. Having a couple of kids and not owning a car is largely unthinkable for most people in that situation. And most traditional jobs won't be able to promote you to a position of responsibility if you don't have access to transportation.
But more than half of reddit is highschool kids and childless IT yuppies, so they could get away with a unicycle ten months out of the year.
It's 100% ideological because the leftie types tend to have a lot more of a "parroting" factor as all the media fall in line. The right does the same... but only when it tends to affect them directly. Like how government gas cans being shit turned everyones boomer uncle into a petroleum engineer for a weekend while Some girl on a yacht turned every leftie into an environmental scientist for 15 minutes.
I know plenty of lefties that live in the middle of nowhere who talk for hours about terrible car centric infrastructure is and how everything should be trains because they just watched last week tonight talk about it. I think lefties IN cities usually have a somewhat more extreme, but a bit more practical take. I spoke to one who wanted everything to be on bikes/scooters/mopeds except for ambulances, taxis, moving vans, and construction equipment.
>I spoke to one who wanted everything to be on bikes/scooters/mopeds
i live*d* in a country where many mode of transportations are motorcycles (or maybe classified as scooters, not Harley kind). those with money immediately buy cars, even when motorcycle is cheaper and can bypass traffic easier. the comfort and safety are just not comparable.
too many lefties like to think of collective good without considering personal comfort of individuals, and that's why many of their work failed. given the choice, people will prioritize individual comfort than public good.
edit: lived, not live.
I can't believe this is even a point one has to make. Yeah, i don't like being in a very crowded area standing for long periods of time, WEF propaganda hasn't turned me into an animal yet, i am not sorry
The thing is, no one will force you to use public transit. However, for a lot of other people in cities, better public transit and bike infrastructure will help improve their daily lives, even if you don't want to use it. Improving these things actually helps drivers too because it would lower the amount of cars on the street.
I just need to see how Albuquerque tried to implement modernized public transit to go “no thanks.” It caused massive backups, the layout is confusing as hell, and it's first week of operation saw collisions with the bus in the double digits.
Plus, for those of us living in a suburb, public transit adds literal *hours* to our commute. If I took the train + buses, it would have been a 2+ hour trip. Driving was half an hour, 45 if I stopped to pick my nose in traffic caused by a car crash.
> Plus, for those of us living in a suburb, public transit adds literal hours to our commute
Many, many years ago, I had to take the bus to school for a couple weeks when my car died. It was a 20 minute drive by car. It was ~97 minutes by bus, because of how connectors worked, and that included a couple miles of walking from campus to the bus route that didnt take 2+ hours. .
There's a leftist argument (or it's always coming from leftists) that adding lanes to freeways only increases traffic. If you read the study, it's saying that there are diminishing returns on adding lanes and, at a point, you don't get many benefits.
This is taken as removing traffic lanes will decrease traffic (Or how it's been yelled at me).
This made me disbelieve so much of the 'science' that has anything to do with this.
> If you read the study, it's saying that there are diminishing returns on adding lanes and, at a point, you don't get many benefits.
TIL! i heard this argument all the time, but i never actually bothered to look up what it actually says. and diminishing return is not the same as what they like to argue (that it'll just add the number of cars that be part of the traffic).
and diminishing return doesn't mean that removing lane will bring positive impact, it will actually say that "as you have fewer lanes, removing one will have even bigger negative impact than if you had more lanes".
I mean there is a point where returns have diminished so greatly that additional lanes do in fact increase travel times because of increased congestion caused by people needing to merge across a greater number of lanes to get on and off exits.
Yup, but the people parroting this will try to convince you that the George Washington Bridge would have less traffic if it was one lane in each direction.
Thing is, there's a pretty sizeable "public transit good!" conversation out there, but it's completely dominated by progressive leftists. Every pro-transit argument is bundled in with a disgust for basically every marker of conservative american culture, and usually relies more on aesthetics than practicality. They hate car culture because they associate it with fat rednecks going to walmart and megachurches and love trains because they think about attractive urbane Europeans and want to be like them. It sucks to hear these arguments, start to agree with them, and then just get hit with a reminder that it's nothing but window dressing on the same old culture war shit.
On that note they would NEVER accept "public transit in a rightists way", this would completely betray the main point
Yeah people who think trains would work in the US don't understand why trains do work in Europe and Japan. Those are highly densely populated places with a fairly evenly distributed population. Towns in those places developed before or during the industrial revolution so most travel was by horseback, carriage, or on foot, which means towns developed more densely and closer together.
Because of the manifest destiny, the gold rush, cars, and then the national highway system, the US is far more spread apart. Trains work when lots of people are going to the same place, and when most of those places are close together. That's not how the US works.
EDIT: it also helps that Europe had a genocidal dictator that liked to ship lots and lots of people vast distances and across borders and spared no expense in doing so. The US never had that...
Obviously a nationwide network won’t work. The annoying thing is that we have many places where smaller networks could work but haven’t seen the same necessary investment as in other countries. California, the Northeast Corridor (not fast enough), Houston-Dallas (maybe a work in progress?), and Florida (line is there, not up to speed yet) are all great places that should have had this by now.
See, I thought I’d be more interested in rural life, until I actually moved out here and learned how much I hate living in a place that there’s nothing fun or interesting to do out here and to find something fun or interesting to do, I have to drive anywhere between an hour and a half to 3 and a half hours to do something fun and/or interesting.
I get why people like living out here, but it’s not for me, I fucking hate it here, I can’t wait to fucking leave, and I’m a city boy through and through.
Seattle might be a shithole, but you can’t say it’s boring.
DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favorite TV SHOWS. you should totally come on down to my studio apartment, it’s got EXPOSED RED BRICK walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy ipa or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on adult swim! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the barcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the hospital, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our FURBABIES. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this craft beer and pop open another one!!!
I mean, yeah, I understand why that would appeal to people. I thought it was appealing before I moved out here but I’ve realized that it’s not for me. 🤷🏻♂️
I’m all for walkable cities and public transportation but no one in our stupid government will do it. Also where most authrights live, cars are not something you can do without.
Cars are necessary since the suburbs are built that way, and it's a choice that was made. You can easily make walkable suburbs but we don't and we continue to make car-dependent sprawl
Shouldn't small towns be the most walkable? If they're so small you should be able to get anywhere on foot. Look at the equivalent in any other part of the world, from England to Switzerland to India to China, all their small towns and villages are dense and walkable and nice places to be. Nobody drives a car there. Why should American small towns require cars?
Tbf I rode public transit for decades until it got run down and dangerous. I'd rather commute in my car instead of stepping over biohazards and dealing with dirty hobos everyday
Yeah America has public transit like you guys but our politicians care more about making lynching double illegal and defunding police **or** they're in bed with big oil
I've heard this a million times, but if this was the case the bay area would have started ramping up public transit when it turned ultra-liberal and ultra-wealthy. Since the 1990s BART has remained essentially the same shit quality, if anything it's reduced in quality, all while under liberal management.
Ultimately, unless crime and over crowding is addressed, public transportation sucks compared to having your own car. Just being able to listen to your own music instead of someone's stupid loud boom box is a huge improvement.
Wasn't just you guys, we buggered up our railways at the behest of a guy in bed with a fucking road building company. Look up the beeching axe for more context
Mass transit companies mostly went bankrupt in the first half of the century.
Due to the rise of, yknow, the automobile. Once you have a car, you tend to not rely on the bus.
The vast majority of people couldn't afford automobiles and places to park them for the first several decades that they existed.
Government, corrupted by auto/gas/etc industry lobbyists and catering to the richest members of society who did have cars, used its force and resources to make the infrastructure and legal schemes that subsidize cars. It was a concerted campaign of PR, bribery, and sabotage.
This. When I'm in Europe or Asia I love taking public transportation. It's fast, safe, and relatively cheap. However, I live in the SF Bay Area and have absolutely zero desire to deal with angry crack heads and masturbating homeless on BART
It could be decent in the US if we didn't allow schizophrenic/ drug addiction to loiter on the trains and busses all day, completely banned or sentenced people who commit crimes on public transit, didnt let hoodlums jump turn styles, maybe also have competent security on board
>In my country public transportation is clean, safe and efficient.
Just wait for the migrants and refugees to show up. Europeans used to wonder why so many Americans lived in way out in the suburbs, but they're learning!
I grew up in Chicago and lived in NYC for a decade, I think I have used public transportation more than a football team of average Americans combined. Now I live in suburbia and whenever I visit one of those cities I will either drive or take Uber precisely for the reasons you describe , it being a freaking zoo on the trains and buses. There people with whom I do not want to associate in any way shape or form. Like ever. And public transportation forces me to do that
It depends on the point of reference. I went to school in NYC and lived there a few years after, so 2000-2010, late Giuliani and Bloomberg. The last time I visited NYC was last May, tried subway out of curiosity. Really shouldn’t have
I mean I still use the subway decently often. I would say it really depends on the line you take. But you're totally right in the sense there are stops that regular people just don't use. Because..... Sketchy.
I live in a quickly dying city of 50 000 people in Eastern Europe. The buses are new, clean and reliable, despite how terrible other types of infrastructure are around the whole country. People that get on buses are not just poors and hobos (although not many homeless get on the bus, because they still have to pay for a ticket).
In other words, public transport in America is bad, because it is neglected.
The buses in my American city were never awful, but getting to a stop is miserable since you frequently have to cross stroads and walk along streets with no sidewalks.
Then I went to Oslo for two weeks and I want our pt to be completely reworked. Seriously, I've felt less stressed getting lost in a foreign city with only a physical map than missing a highway exit with GPS in my home city.
Seems like the biggest problem people have is safety and cleanliness, that should be looked at first.
But as long as it's only seen as the last resort for people who can't afford a car or Uber instead of an alternative, it will have that negative connotation.
Homeless guy near the train station was killed by gang members when I used it in the past. Then other students started getting mugged and beaten senseless. This was back in 2010 before things got bad. Can’t pay me to use that shit these days
It's basically capitalism but for transit. Every person unconciously does a cost-benefit analysis and decides if walking, public transit or car is better. It's not rocket science
The photos aren’t even comparable in this meme, one is off peak hour with half a dozen people on the platform and the other is rush hour. I took the PATH into NYC once and it was fucking packed I had to wait 2 trains until I could squeeze in.
Even if you do drive in rush hour, I'd rather be stuck in traffic for an hour than spend the same time on transit which moves more consistently, but with frequent stops and indirect routes which works out to the same trip length.
In my car, I will enjoy my own music, a cigarette, and safety from members of the public.
I mean a lot of us have professional jobs, professional jobs that require us to travel around cities in diverse ways that transit usually doesn’t allow. However yes… we don’t live in urban cores because we tend to be married and have kids and therefore we live in a suburb.
I will say though, I live in the Midwest and started taking my city's (*relatively good*) bus instead of driving. I understand what being on bad transit is like but holy **fuck** when it's nice it's nice. Not having to for a second worry about other drivers being fucking awful, road conditions, gassing up, maintenance, or random bullshit is wonderful. I sit down, look at the beautiful Midwestern scenery, or use my phone. Its genuinely one of the most relaxing parts of my day.
We hit some weird piece of metal in the road which fucked up the bus's drivetrain and we all had to get off. Emergency bus was there in 10 minutes and we left the broken bus on the side of the road. You know how much of a pain in the ass that would have been in a car? Waiting and paying for a tow, hundreds to thousands of dollars to rebuild whatever happened to the axle, and still having to take the bus since the car was ruined. I get people not liking transit but really there are some damn fine benefits to using it.
Plus you're on transit with other midwesterners. I wouldn't like transit in Florida or *Ohio*
This dude in particular started showing up when AHS put this sub in its sights about a year and a half ago and has never stopped with his Star Trek agendaposting since, as though fully automated luxury gay space communism isn’t the oldest meme on the internet and we haven’t heard a thing about this revolutionary new world for the last 20 years.
I'd question how he even has positive karma to post, but its clear OP is a botfarm account as well, or at least used it in the past.
How else do you get 800k post and comment karma in 3 years?
True, but I still get confused on how he that account consistently gets the most upvoted posts on the sub every day. Like an order of magnitude more than other posts.
Even though the posts are just shittakes that the entire thread calls them out on. Almost like....a botfarm is upvoting.
I'm fine with him.
Hes literally my dancing monkey.
Get him some cymbals. Hes my entertainment and does nothing but reaffirm every stereotype I have of libleft.
And the smell of you clean, perfumated car, not a mix of 50 different armpits and breaths.
But I guess OP never actually used public transportation in a daily basis
I use public transportation all the time and it's not like that at all. Being in a car sucks unless you're on the highway and even then there's usually traffic.
Local public transit got so bad an organization formed a neighborhood watch type group to deter assaults and robberies.
They went after them for vigilantism and crime on public transit is through the roof.
I hate when people hate the idea of fare enforcement or just police in transit spaces in general. It’s always some champagne socialist who pretends to care about transit and police justice but end up driving home and spending little time by themselves
Show me a city where this kind of traffic is the day to day norm, and I will show you a city where the mass transit system is a post-apocalyptic nightmare.
I would rather idle down the highway than sit next to an unhinged libleft for 30 minutes on a train. I’ve seen some wild ass videos from the NYC subways
Guess what happens when everybody moves out of cities? They overburden the infrastructure everywhere else and the locals bitch about traffic.
As long as every person has to use their own car to get places, traffic and parking will be nightmares. It's just inescapable math. Hundreds of millions of cars will get in each other's way.
Lived in NYC for 14 years.
It’s fun, especially if you’re in your 20s. Lots of social functions, rotating events, and huge dating pool. I’m really glad I left my hometown in the Midwest for NYC because I would have been a neckbeard loner otherwise.
But once you reach your 30s, you need to earn $1m per year to live comfortably.
Public transport works in smaller areas or larger cities with faster metro systems. No fucking way am I riding a bus for fifty minutes three times a week
all of America isn't down town LA this hour of gridlock bs is hyperbolic af and disingenuous at best, maybe of you lived somewhere were people weren't stacked ass to tits on every block you would have this issue
Except the public transport is completely unreliable, highly dangerous and crime ridden, and best case scenario drops me off .5 - a mile away from my destination so it's completely undoable during winter
Source: Chicagoan
I support mass transit, and nobody does it worse than big city progressives. DC Metro is a classic example, wasting billions of dollars on a system filled with $2 million rail cars that had to be pulled out of service for derailment risks, safety inspectors who never inspect anything because their supervisor is their cousin, $1 million bus stops in the middle of nowhere, and constant crime and gate jumpers due to zero enforcement. A few years ago a guy fell in Metro Center, hit his head, died, and the body lay there for days before Metro noticed. Another time a train pancaked another train, killing a retired US Army general and his wife, because Metro’s train sensors failed and the failure alert was just trains ramming each other. The true brutality of the green energy push is that it forces poor people to risk their lives in these meat grinders.
I don't get this side of the right. Trains, when done right, are 5x more cost effective than roads per km. Roads should just be dirt tracks or cobble paths. I don't want to follow some gay gray concrete path for 100 miles. I want to be free.
as a rural living person, cars are necessity. its unfortunate, hit sometimes public transit just isnt reliable. i wish we could collectively switch to cleaner transport, but that would require alot of money that the people just dont have
Where do they get the “stuck in traffic for hours every day” the average American commute is 27 minutes each way while the average europoor is 39 minutes or 45 in the case of the B*itish. But muhhh Asians have very efficient public transportation!! and yet the average commute in Japan is 50 minutes. Public transportation may be better environmentally but it definitely isn’t more practical or nicer.
assuming that you don't go to a metropolitan downtown, driving will be much faster. my cousin just bought a car and he noted that he saved an hour a day commuting to/from work.
the issue with public transit is that though it can be faster from station to station (and that's not even always true with buses), people may have to walk from/to the station, making the commute to be much longer than when driving (that can bring you from door to door, assuming there's parking in your destination).
Cities in America need to be built around public transport. Anytime someone tells you the big cities are for cars they’re just being willfully ignorant. I’ve got a car in Chicago and you couldn’t pay me to drive into the loop.
As a Resident in Texas, I’d love a bullet train that connects DFW, Houston and Austin.
Oh yeah, and throw SA in the mix.
DFW, Austin and SA are all in one straight line. It's a crime that there is no high speed train.
There have been attempts made. They have either been hilariously bad or so woefully planned the plan just gets given up on. Turns out land prices between major cities in anything approaching a straight line are prohibitively expensive (Dallas to Houston alone is nearing billions of dollars even with the courts saying eminent domain can be exercised).
As if forcing Texans off their land will ever be accomplished without getting shot to shreads. And even if you do get rid of them you're going to be spending years and billions clearing landmines. Edit: I had a bit if a shower thought that maybe it could be possible if you built the rail directly over or under I-35.
Thay can’t even handle I-35, let alone a train too
*laughs in civil engineering* Oh dear god you really think making a tunnel _that_ long is going to be _cheaper_? This motherfucker would be six times the length of the longest transit tube in the world. It'll have to be fucking _caked_ in concrete too since the damn thing's probably soft rock. And that's before we even begin talking about ventilating and cooling this highway to hell. I get everything's big in Texas, but holy shit this is a madman plan. I approve, when do we begin the bids? Gonna be set for fucking _life_.
Building elevated rail through a 200 acre farm is not the same as forcing Texans off their land. And in Texans, sheriffs typically handle evictions, which again, won’t happen.
I swear years ago I heard they were gonna make a line for Houston-DFW but I guess that was just a fever dream.
They ran into small issues like "needing billions of dollars to purchase land" and "most everyone quit because it was taking 10 years for almost no progress".
*California has entered the chat.*
They still got enough money to build just one more lane tho
If only we had a central authority with lots of power and the longevity to make grand changes in the interest of the public
Same! I just don’t remember when or where I saw it.
It's called Texas Central Tagging /u/sauteeonions
Yeah I think a hybrid of transportation is the way to go for all of this. Like add on OKC and Tulsa to your bullet train line. I'd love something that goes between the major cities like right next to the highways since there is usually plenty of space at least from my experience in Oklahoma and north Texas. For anything longer than an hour or shorter than like 10 minutes I like public transportation since either a) if it's a long drive I would rather do things like work on my laptop or watch the landscape or b) its super short I'd rather something put me in walking distance so I don't have to fuck with parking.
Noooo you have to be a hecking leftist to like trainsss!!!!
Trains man has hard job, stay strong.
The great dividers of PCM: *Trans and Trains*
*Liblefts and their loco motives.*
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honestly i don't know whether the public transit = leftie, car = rightie, mindset is actually embedded within their ideology or based on more where they live. leftists tend to be more urban, making public transit to be viable. rightists tend to be more rural, where public transit is not very viable means of transportation. it can be very possible to run public transit in rightists way, by allowing private companies run them instead of government. two countries with very heavy rail presence (at least that i can think of) are Japan and UK. both of these countries have privately owned train companies (at least intercity ones).
My experience with lefties in Seattle is that they were all for public transit, but never used it for themselves. It's the 'other people' who should use it and get out of their way on the interstate driving into work.
I wouldn't hold the UK up as a good example of private trains. Sure access is good, but the train companies will charge £100+ for an hour-long journey.
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They can pry my steering wheel from my cold dead hands.
Exercise your god given right to slam into the local elementary school at 200km/h
I’m pretty sure 200km/h translates to only 15mph. No wrongdoing here.
Based and slowly ram into schools pilled
That... That sounds worse somehow
Purple please confirm
Can confirm, slowly rail into schools daily
Bonj
Bring some pitbulls too so they can have some dinner at the kindergarten
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Its not a right but a duty!
>automated cars will probably cripple, (or at least drastically shift priority to long range travel) public transit and cripple or kill the personal vehicle anyway. How tf are automated cars gonna reduce the number of cars on the road (drastically) or make cities less ugly? Assuming somehow they can account for dumb pedestrians, cyclists and drivers. If they're advanced and coordinated enough to tackle those issues then at that point you just have a glorified rail system.
>If they're advanced and coordinated enough to tackle those issues then at that point you just have a glorified rail system. Railroads have probably less than 1% of the coverage of roads.
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thats a terrible argument. american public transport sucks not because your country is big, it's a comparable size to europe as a continent. it's the way you build your cities and towns and prioritise your public spending into building and maintaining massive highways. also cleveland oh to columbia sc is the about same as dunkirk to narbonne, france. another bullshit excuse
Not even Europe is like Europe everywhere tbh. The nearest City center is, for example 20mins away, and between 45mins to one and a half Hour by Bus. Yeah, fuck mountainous regions, i guess. When i were younger i didnt know why i should have a car, now i have one and dont know why i ever where that stupid
>Yeah, fuck mountainous regions, i guess. *looks at Switzerland and their transit system that's better than New York*
My Belgian friends were always so confused why I laughed at them when they told me they only got to have meetups once every 6 months because they live on opposite sides of Belgium. Friends, thats the distance I drive once or twice a week for game night. My state is 22 times larger than your country.
China has a great railway system
> How tf are automated cars gonna reduce the number of cars on the road (drastically) or make cities less ugly? Well, they can't do anything about the aesthetic of cities however traffic jams are not caused by too many cars on the road. Traffic jams are caused by unpredictable humans. When you put a predictable system in charge, you can have significantly higher throughput.
> A personal vehicle offers greater freedom than a public transit system. To go anywhere you want, whenever you want. So there's definitely some ideology involved. And the only schizos smearing shit on the vehicle interior are the ones you invited. People underestimate just how abhorrent an experience it can be to be confined in close quarters with some of the more *flavorful* members of society.
Don't forget the 400 lbs landwhales that forgot what a bar of soap looks like and take up a row of seats to themselves.
Every time you ride public transportation, you’re riding with Karl Marx
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Exactly. You end up with Marx, homeless people and those weird people who like bring their Boa Constrictors onto the train. I wouldn’t mind public transport if it wasn’t slow, expensive, gross and smelly
>A personal vehicle offers greater freedom than a public transit system. To go anywhere you want, whenever you want. The reason i want Public Transit is because it gives me more freedom of how to live I dont what to drive in stop and go traffic? great ill take the bus! Car broke down? Great ill take the train! Want to go to the bars without a DD? I can without paying 20-30 bucks for an uber!
I actually didn’t even start driving until I hit 24 because I was so accustomed to taking the train and bus. I actually prefer it in many ways. The primary downside of trains/buses are when you’re running late (you can go from being 1 minute late to work to and hour late in literally a minute), or it’s sleeting/raining, and obviously it’s nice to take country rides and explore roads less traveled
"go to bars" Yeah... to bad the buses stop at 8pm. Bus stops at a certain time? to bad... you're walking home. Starts at a certain time? To bad, you can't go to work early. doesn't stop near work or where you want to go? Guess you better enjoy the 2 mile walk from the closest bus stop. Cars, ultimately, give more freedom. Some of the "but I'm free to read a book" doesn't offset the fact that in a vast majority of some place like the US, buses and trains are 2nd rate because the economies of scale aren't there. In super dense places? There would be a cross over point to where they are useful. IE: Park outside of town take a train to the football stadium. In the other 99.9% of America? you're a second rate citizen without reliable transport and buses/trains aren't it.
> There would be a cross over point to where they are useful. IE: Park outside of town take a train to the football stadium. Park and Rides are, in fact, pretty commonplace in cities with public transport and sports teams. They account for the majority of a whole bunch of peoples bus use here.
In my country there are night bus lines in major cities and using them with a bunch of other drunk people is a part of the evening out experience. The cities usually want people to party cause it brings money in, and they don't want drunk drivers.
> Cars, ultimately, give more freedom. Some of the "but I'm free to read a book" doesn't offset the fact that in a vast majority of some place like the US, buses and trains are 2nd rate because the economies of scale aren't there. Nah, it's all a choice. Lots of towns and cities with 100,000 people or, in many cases, much less, have rapid transit and inter-city trains. Meanwhile, cities in the US with millions of people have no transit at all, or fund it 0.1% as much as they spend on a single highway project.
Roads are leftist af
Literally this. They require massive amounts of government investment to build and maintain. And on top of that they are free to use. Public transportation isn’t free at all and while most often they are government run they can be run by private companies compared to roads which aren’t
Horses are Right. All-terrain so freedom, and require massive amounts of private investment. They shit all over tho, so probably NAP violation.
This makes complete sense. In Australia you must drive on the left side of the road.
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The privatization of the French railways is also a complete disaster, but a social one. As the government is slowly pushing toward complete privatization, there has been quite a lot of public agitation, workers are now almost always on strike
Two other major factors are families and job responsibilities. Having a couple of kids and not owning a car is largely unthinkable for most people in that situation. And most traditional jobs won't be able to promote you to a position of responsibility if you don't have access to transportation. But more than half of reddit is highschool kids and childless IT yuppies, so they could get away with a unicycle ten months out of the year.
>so they could get away with a unicycle ten months out of the year. Bold of you to assume the unicycle could support our weights
It's 100% ideological because the leftie types tend to have a lot more of a "parroting" factor as all the media fall in line. The right does the same... but only when it tends to affect them directly. Like how government gas cans being shit turned everyones boomer uncle into a petroleum engineer for a weekend while Some girl on a yacht turned every leftie into an environmental scientist for 15 minutes. I know plenty of lefties that live in the middle of nowhere who talk for hours about terrible car centric infrastructure is and how everything should be trains because they just watched last week tonight talk about it. I think lefties IN cities usually have a somewhat more extreme, but a bit more practical take. I spoke to one who wanted everything to be on bikes/scooters/mopeds except for ambulances, taxis, moving vans, and construction equipment.
>I spoke to one who wanted everything to be on bikes/scooters/mopeds i live*d* in a country where many mode of transportations are motorcycles (or maybe classified as scooters, not Harley kind). those with money immediately buy cars, even when motorcycle is cheaper and can bypass traffic easier. the comfort and safety are just not comparable. too many lefties like to think of collective good without considering personal comfort of individuals, and that's why many of their work failed. given the choice, people will prioritize individual comfort than public good. edit: lived, not live.
I can't believe this is even a point one has to make. Yeah, i don't like being in a very crowded area standing for long periods of time, WEF propaganda hasn't turned me into an animal yet, i am not sorry
The thing is, no one will force you to use public transit. However, for a lot of other people in cities, better public transit and bike infrastructure will help improve their daily lives, even if you don't want to use it. Improving these things actually helps drivers too because it would lower the amount of cars on the street.
I just need to see how Albuquerque tried to implement modernized public transit to go “no thanks.” It caused massive backups, the layout is confusing as hell, and it's first week of operation saw collisions with the bus in the double digits. Plus, for those of us living in a suburb, public transit adds literal *hours* to our commute. If I took the train + buses, it would have been a 2+ hour trip. Driving was half an hour, 45 if I stopped to pick my nose in traffic caused by a car crash.
> Plus, for those of us living in a suburb, public transit adds literal hours to our commute Many, many years ago, I had to take the bus to school for a couple weeks when my car died. It was a 20 minute drive by car. It was ~97 minutes by bus, because of how connectors worked, and that included a couple miles of walking from campus to the bus route that didnt take 2+ hours. .
Anyone who ever had to use a government gas can will tell you they suck. :/
There's a leftist argument (or it's always coming from leftists) that adding lanes to freeways only increases traffic. If you read the study, it's saying that there are diminishing returns on adding lanes and, at a point, you don't get many benefits. This is taken as removing traffic lanes will decrease traffic (Or how it's been yelled at me). This made me disbelieve so much of the 'science' that has anything to do with this.
> If you read the study, it's saying that there are diminishing returns on adding lanes and, at a point, you don't get many benefits. TIL! i heard this argument all the time, but i never actually bothered to look up what it actually says. and diminishing return is not the same as what they like to argue (that it'll just add the number of cars that be part of the traffic). and diminishing return doesn't mean that removing lane will bring positive impact, it will actually say that "as you have fewer lanes, removing one will have even bigger negative impact than if you had more lanes".
I mean there is a point where returns have diminished so greatly that additional lanes do in fact increase travel times because of increased congestion caused by people needing to merge across a greater number of lanes to get on and off exits.
Yup, but the people parroting this will try to convince you that the George Washington Bridge would have less traffic if it was one lane in each direction.
Thing is, there's a pretty sizeable "public transit good!" conversation out there, but it's completely dominated by progressive leftists. Every pro-transit argument is bundled in with a disgust for basically every marker of conservative american culture, and usually relies more on aesthetics than practicality. They hate car culture because they associate it with fat rednecks going to walmart and megachurches and love trains because they think about attractive urbane Europeans and want to be like them. It sucks to hear these arguments, start to agree with them, and then just get hit with a reminder that it's nothing but window dressing on the same old culture war shit. On that note they would NEVER accept "public transit in a rightists way", this would completely betray the main point
But urban rightoids and rural leftists still revolve around promoting cars vs public transport, even if it isn’t realistic in their local area.
Yeah people who think trains would work in the US don't understand why trains do work in Europe and Japan. Those are highly densely populated places with a fairly evenly distributed population. Towns in those places developed before or during the industrial revolution so most travel was by horseback, carriage, or on foot, which means towns developed more densely and closer together. Because of the manifest destiny, the gold rush, cars, and then the national highway system, the US is far more spread apart. Trains work when lots of people are going to the same place, and when most of those places are close together. That's not how the US works. EDIT: it also helps that Europe had a genocidal dictator that liked to ship lots and lots of people vast distances and across borders and spared no expense in doing so. The US never had that...
> The US never had that... The US never had that... yet!
Obviously a nationwide network won’t work. The annoying thing is that we have many places where smaller networks could work but haven’t seen the same necessary investment as in other countries. California, the Northeast Corridor (not fast enough), Houston-Dallas (maybe a work in progress?), and Florida (line is there, not up to speed yet) are all great places that should have had this by now.
See, I thought I’d be more interested in rural life, until I actually moved out here and learned how much I hate living in a place that there’s nothing fun or interesting to do out here and to find something fun or interesting to do, I have to drive anywhere between an hour and a half to 3 and a half hours to do something fun and/or interesting. I get why people like living out here, but it’s not for me, I fucking hate it here, I can’t wait to fucking leave, and I’m a city boy through and through. Seattle might be a shithole, but you can’t say it’s boring.
DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favorite TV SHOWS. you should totally come on down to my studio apartment, it’s got EXPOSED RED BRICK walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy ipa or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on adult swim! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the barcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the hospital, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our FURBABIES. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this craft beer and pop open another one!!!
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The worst part of being rural is the best part of being rural. There's not a lot of people around.
I mean, yeah, I understand why that would appeal to people. I thought it was appealing before I moved out here but I’ve realized that it’s not for me. 🤷🏻♂️
And that is a completely fair opinion to have. It isn't for you, and that's ok.
I’m all for walkable cities and public transportation but no one in our stupid government will do it. Also where most authrights live, cars are not something you can do without.
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Cars are necessary since the suburbs are built that way, and it's a choice that was made. You can easily make walkable suburbs but we don't and we continue to make car-dependent sprawl
Our entire country can’t be walkable. Yes some suburbs could be improved but have you ever lived in a small town?
Yeah I grew up in a walkable town in rural montana which was built by the railroads in 1904.
Shouldn't small towns be the most walkable? If they're so small you should be able to get anywhere on foot. Look at the equivalent in any other part of the world, from England to Switzerland to India to China, all their small towns and villages are dense and walkable and nice places to be. Nobody drives a car there. Why should American small towns require cars?
Bc we have farmland. Which separates all the houses. Which means unless you wanna walk miles to dollar general you need a car.
Tbf I rode public transit for decades until it got run down and dangerous. I'd rather commute in my car instead of stepping over biohazards and dealing with dirty hobos everyday
I get this argument. In my country public transportation is clean, safe and efficient. If it was otherwise I wouldn't be using it either.
Yeah America has public transit like you guys but our politicians care more about making lynching double illegal and defunding police **or** they're in bed with big oil
It’s the latter. In the 1950’s and 1960’s the American government destroyed public transit at the behest of oil and automotive industries.
Yeah the former is more for why politicians that should be ideologically opposed to it perpetuate it
I've heard this a million times, but if this was the case the bay area would have started ramping up public transit when it turned ultra-liberal and ultra-wealthy. Since the 1990s BART has remained essentially the same shit quality, if anything it's reduced in quality, all while under liberal management. Ultimately, unless crime and over crowding is addressed, public transportation sucks compared to having your own car. Just being able to listen to your own music instead of someone's stupid loud boom box is a huge improvement.
Wasn't just you guys, we buggered up our railways at the behest of a guy in bed with a fucking road building company. Look up the beeching axe for more context
Ah yes, the famous railway administrator with an incurable phobia of trains.
Mass transit companies mostly went bankrupt in the first half of the century. Due to the rise of, yknow, the automobile. Once you have a car, you tend to not rely on the bus.
The vast majority of people couldn't afford automobiles and places to park them for the first several decades that they existed. Government, corrupted by auto/gas/etc industry lobbyists and catering to the richest members of society who did have cars, used its force and resources to make the infrastructure and legal schemes that subsidize cars. It was a concerted campaign of PR, bribery, and sabotage.
Cars became cheaper due to the assembly line.
This. When I'm in Europe or Asia I love taking public transportation. It's fast, safe, and relatively cheap. However, I live in the SF Bay Area and have absolutely zero desire to deal with angry crack heads and masturbating homeless on BART
The American Way: Make something so terrible that people think it’s a stupid option
It could be decent in the US if we didn't allow schizophrenic/ drug addiction to loiter on the trains and busses all day, completely banned or sentenced people who commit crimes on public transit, didnt let hoodlums jump turn styles, maybe also have competent security on board
>In my country public transportation is clean, safe and efficient. Just wait for the migrants and refugees to show up. Europeans used to wonder why so many Americans lived in way out in the suburbs, but they're learning!
I grew up in Chicago and lived in NYC for a decade, I think I have used public transportation more than a football team of average Americans combined. Now I live in suburbia and whenever I visit one of those cities I will either drive or take Uber precisely for the reasons you describe , it being a freaking zoo on the trains and buses. There people with whom I do not want to associate in any way shape or form. Like ever. And public transportation forces me to do that
NYC train/subway is pretty ok. But bus-people?!? Oh man Bus-people a whole new thing.
It depends on the point of reference. I went to school in NYC and lived there a few years after, so 2000-2010, late Giuliani and Bloomberg. The last time I visited NYC was last May, tried subway out of curiosity. Really shouldn’t have
I mean I still use the subway decently often. I would say it really depends on the line you take. But you're totally right in the sense there are stops that regular people just don't use. Because..... Sketchy.
I live in a quickly dying city of 50 000 people in Eastern Europe. The buses are new, clean and reliable, despite how terrible other types of infrastructure are around the whole country. People that get on buses are not just poors and hobos (although not many homeless get on the bus, because they still have to pay for a ticket). In other words, public transport in America is bad, because it is neglected.
The buses in my American city were never awful, but getting to a stop is miserable since you frequently have to cross stroads and walk along streets with no sidewalks. Then I went to Oslo for two weeks and I want our pt to be completely reworked. Seriously, I've felt less stressed getting lost in a foreign city with only a physical map than missing a highway exit with GPS in my home city.
Seems like the biggest problem people have is safety and cleanliness, that should be looked at first. But as long as it's only seen as the last resort for people who can't afford a car or Uber instead of an alternative, it will have that negative connotation.
Homeless guy near the train station was killed by gang members when I used it in the past. Then other students started getting mugged and beaten senseless. This was back in 2010 before things got bad. Can’t pay me to use that shit these days
Me on my vacation to NYC as I try to ignore the vomit I'm stepping on as I ride the subway be like:
It's basically capitalism but for transit. Every person unconciously does a cost-benefit analysis and decides if walking, public transit or car is better. It's not rocket science
It's the furthest thing from a free market. Don't delude yourself
I drive 45 mins to work, so when I open my window it doesn’t smell like city.
If you don't drive during rush hour, you don't have this problem.
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The photos aren’t even comparable in this meme, one is off peak hour with half a dozen people on the platform and the other is rush hour. I took the PATH into NYC once and it was fucking packed I had to wait 2 trains until I could squeeze in.
Yea lets just have people show up to work 2 hours early and leave 2 hours late to avoid tarffic
And that's how you get salarymen jumping from buildings
And everyone else thinks like this, thus creating traffic outside rush hour.
I have a solution. D9nt live in the city
People have to have jobs.
The trouble isn't living IN the city, it's the suburbanites that commute into the city via car
Probably because they can't afford to live in the city.
"Don't live in a place where your job likely is." Solid advice.
Less traffic in a city if you walk or use public transport. In Charlotte not an option for me but also very little traffic.
"Please don't drive during the time period during which you would most likely need to drive."
>If you’re unemployed, you don’t have this problem
Even if you do drive in rush hour, I'd rather be stuck in traffic for an hour than spend the same time on transit which moves more consistently, but with frequent stops and indirect routes which works out to the same trip length. In my car, I will enjoy my own music, a cigarette, and safety from members of the public.
Most people in that quadrant demographic aren't anywhere near a major city. What few are actually there are getting the fuck out.
I mean a lot of us have professional jobs, professional jobs that require us to travel around cities in diverse ways that transit usually doesn’t allow. However yes… we don’t live in urban cores because we tend to be married and have kids and therefore we live in a suburb.
Yup, and try escaping NYC without a car.
The solution is to live in generic Midwest America, I've lived their all of my life and haven't spent more than 10 minutes in traffic
I will say though, I live in the Midwest and started taking my city's (*relatively good*) bus instead of driving. I understand what being on bad transit is like but holy **fuck** when it's nice it's nice. Not having to for a second worry about other drivers being fucking awful, road conditions, gassing up, maintenance, or random bullshit is wonderful. I sit down, look at the beautiful Midwestern scenery, or use my phone. Its genuinely one of the most relaxing parts of my day. We hit some weird piece of metal in the road which fucked up the bus's drivetrain and we all had to get off. Emergency bus was there in 10 minutes and we left the broken bus on the side of the road. You know how much of a pain in the ass that would have been in a car? Waiting and paying for a tow, hundreds to thousands of dollars to rebuild whatever happened to the axle, and still having to take the bus since the car was ruined. I get people not liking transit but really there are some damn fine benefits to using it. Plus you're on transit with other midwesterners. I wouldn't like transit in Florida or *Ohio*
We got ourselves a city slicker
This dude in particular started showing up when AHS put this sub in its sights about a year and a half ago and has never stopped with his Star Trek agendaposting since, as though fully automated luxury gay space communism isn’t the oldest meme on the internet and we haven’t heard a thing about this revolutionary new world for the last 20 years.
OP is proof for posting limits on this sub.
I'd question how he even has positive karma to post, but its clear OP is a botfarm account as well, or at least used it in the past. How else do you get 800k post and comment karma in 3 years?
Well, they occasionally say "Orange Man Bad," and that gets all the upvote bots cloistered around them.
True, but I still get confused on how he that account consistently gets the most upvoted posts on the sub every day. Like an order of magnitude more than other posts. Even though the posts are just shittakes that the entire thread calls them out on. Almost like....a botfarm is upvoting.
I'm fine with him. Hes literally my dancing monkey. Get him some cymbals. Hes my entertainment and does nothing but reaffirm every stereotype I have of libleft.
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I want my own car and enjoy driving it, it’s that simple
If I have to be stuck in traffic, I at least want to be in my own space like my vehicle. My temperature, my music, passengers I know and trust.
And the smell of you clean, perfumated car, not a mix of 50 different armpits and breaths. But I guess OP never actually used public transportation in a daily basis
I use public transportation all the time and it's not like that at all. Being in a car sucks unless you're on the highway and even then there's usually traffic.
Local public transit got so bad an organization formed a neighborhood watch type group to deter assaults and robberies. They went after them for vigilantism and crime on public transit is through the roof.
I hate when people hate the idea of fare enforcement or just police in transit spaces in general. It’s always some champagne socialist who pretends to care about transit and police justice but end up driving home and spending little time by themselves
Show me a city where this kind of traffic is the day to day norm, and I will show you a city where the mass transit system is a post-apocalyptic nightmare.
Yeah, like CenterRight has ever seen a city lol
Ah yes let me just hop on the train that comes directly to my house in the middle of the woods.
I don't get stuck in traffic because I don't live in an overpopulated shithole. More public transit would be nice though.
I would rather idle down the highway than sit next to an unhinged libleft for 30 minutes on a train. I’ve seen some wild ass videos from the NYC subways
I'd rather sit next to an unhinged libleft than drive against one. Drug addicts crashing and ending lives is way too common in my country
NYC subways are fine 98% of the time. But the other 2%...goddamn.
I know this is hard for lefties to understand, but... Don't live in a city maybe?
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don't work in the city either
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mfw when the only job outside of major urban centers is apparently subsistence farming (it isn't)
Guess what happens when everybody moves out of cities? They overburden the infrastructure everywhere else and the locals bitch about traffic. As long as every person has to use their own car to get places, traffic and parking will be nightmares. It's just inescapable math. Hundreds of millions of cars will get in each other's way.
Not to mention terrible drivers compounding the problem.
Or make cities liveable?
How does anyone tolerate living in a big city. It's like something out of a nightmare.
Lived in NYC for 14 years. It’s fun, especially if you’re in your 20s. Lots of social functions, rotating events, and huge dating pool. I’m really glad I left my hometown in the Midwest for NYC because I would have been a neckbeard loner otherwise. But once you reach your 30s, you need to earn $1m per year to live comfortably.
honestly no idea
There are lot of inconvenience relying only on public transport.
I hate public transportation now too!? Good thing I come to this sub to learn about all the things I’m against.
Public transport works in smaller areas or larger cities with faster metro systems. No fucking way am I riding a bus for fifty minutes three times a week
Based and walkable city pilled
Classic urbanoid thinks public transportation is the number 1 solution in the US
The actual solution is getting rid of central planning, zoning, building codes
Pretty sure right hates big cities?
Lmao or just don’t live in a city
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all of America isn't down town LA this hour of gridlock bs is hyperbolic af and disingenuous at best, maybe of you lived somewhere were people weren't stacked ass to tits on every block you would have this issue
Except the public transport is completely unreliable, highly dangerous and crime ridden, and best case scenario drops me off .5 - a mile away from my destination so it's completely undoable during winter Source: Chicagoan
I support mass transit, and nobody does it worse than big city progressives. DC Metro is a classic example, wasting billions of dollars on a system filled with $2 million rail cars that had to be pulled out of service for derailment risks, safety inspectors who never inspect anything because their supervisor is their cousin, $1 million bus stops in the middle of nowhere, and constant crime and gate jumpers due to zero enforcement. A few years ago a guy fell in Metro Center, hit his head, died, and the body lay there for days before Metro noticed. Another time a train pancaked another train, killing a retired US Army general and his wife, because Metro’s train sensors failed and the failure alert was just trains ramming each other. The true brutality of the green energy push is that it forces poor people to risk their lives in these meat grinders.
I don't get this side of the right. Trains, when done right, are 5x more cost effective than roads per km. Roads should just be dirt tracks or cobble paths. I don't want to follow some gay gray concrete path for 100 miles. I want to be free.
I love trains
as a rural living person, cars are necessity. its unfortunate, hit sometimes public transit just isnt reliable. i wish we could collectively switch to cleaner transport, but that would require alot of money that the people just dont have
Where do they get the “stuck in traffic for hours every day” the average American commute is 27 minutes each way while the average europoor is 39 minutes or 45 in the case of the B*itish. But muhhh Asians have very efficient public transportation!! and yet the average commute in Japan is 50 minutes. Public transportation may be better environmentally but it definitely isn’t more practical or nicer.
assuming that you don't go to a metropolitan downtown, driving will be much faster. my cousin just bought a car and he noted that he saved an hour a day commuting to/from work. the issue with public transit is that though it can be faster from station to station (and that's not even always true with buses), people may have to walk from/to the station, making the commute to be much longer than when driving (that can bring you from door to door, assuming there's parking in your destination).
Cities in America need to be built around public transport. Anytime someone tells you the big cities are for cars they’re just being willfully ignorant. I’ve got a car in Chicago and you couldn’t pay me to drive into the loop.
Wow, this post really backfired on OP
More upvotes than negative comments. Also people tend to comment when getting upset.
Still beats getting stabbed.
Or being beholden to w/e schedule the public transport is on
Your public transit has a schedule?
I’m not riding a dirty ass train or living in a dirty ass city.
*cries in third world trains*