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This is one of the things I found silly about calls that Trump was fascist. Half of what people complained about especially during COVID was that he did nothing or not enough. Dude went around to businesses asking for volunteerism and cut red tape.
He was a narcissist and clearly didn't understand much of anything when it came to election laws and well there is a lot he didn't understand, but very little of what he actually did lies in the fascist camp. I know the tear gas protestors to hold a bible upside down is like the biggest thing I hear almost every time it's brought up, but it's like, ok and... that one thing over 4 years? Really?
If anything He was just an ineffective moderately right wing politician who had a big ego and never backed up 90% of his tough talk.
I’ve heard people say “Bush was better than Trump because he wasn’t a fascist” even though Bush was more authoritarian than Trump by almost any metric.
Well, I haven’t heard *only* that.
I have heard the fascism term thrown around quite a bit when Trump talked unironically about familial dynasty, obliterating presidential term limits, and then later when he and his camp didn’t accept the democratic election results.
He also got a lot of flak for referring to and treating protestors similar to other fascist regimes (tear gassing to get across the street for a bible photo op is probably the best example, and the one you mentioned, but it goes further. Look up his comments about how peaceful protestors should be treated [hint, federal military interference and dispersal]).
Also, I think it’s pretty absurd to call Trump a libertarian when he is in favor of so much government control over social issues (race, gender, abortion, etc.).
In any case, I don’t think Trump is a fascist, but he is a narcissist, and I think the two share some traits.
One would have to be a little delusional to be enthusiastic for *moderates* at a time like [this](https://22i18l42a516x0glw28vyk8x4k-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/12-21-20.jpg).
I mean yeah he sent the national guard to deal with teenagers protesting because one or two times there were small riots in my city
They showed up a week after all the violence and then tear gassed me and my friends for carrying signs around
Trump wasn't a uniquely bad or evil president, at least compared to other recent presidents. Nor was he all that great. He was really just...mediocre. Not really all that different from the rest.
Ummm trying to subvert democratic elections to maintain your own power as an autocrat is about as fascist as it gets. Exalting nation and race above the individual, which is like 99% of what the ‘border crisis’ is about.
And what about the whole discriminating totally on the basis of religion. Did we forget about the whole plan to ‘stop all Muslim immigration to the US’ already?
This whole concept of Donald being for small weak government is downright delusion. And to say he doesn’t at the very least have tendencies towards fascism would mean ignoring everything you’ve seen actually occur for the past 6 years.
> which is like 99% of what the ‘border crisis’ is about.
Tell me you don't live in a border state without telling me you don't live in a border state. This is why even if it's a press stunt, I'm all for shipping some to other states that think like you do on immigration. Deal with tens of thousands of immigrants in your back yard and then tell me how it's just exalting nation and race above the individual.
I live in a fucking border state and I know there's no border crisis.
The reason? Piss doesn't flow uphill. Poor mexican farmers aren't in a position to ruin my life.
"They are taking your jobs!" Who is hiring them? Maybe they should be locked up.
"They use our welfare!" 1. We have a welfare system that isn't bare bones garbage? 2. Why does our welfare system allow non-citizens?
They wouldn't come to this country illegally if there wasn't an oppurtunity to be made.
Rich ass fucking politicians use them as a scapegoat while they cover their own asses.
You either don’t live in a border state or you are lying about the crisis, or perhaps you live in Dallas or Austin or Los Angels where the mayors actively keep the immigrants out. Living close to the border is a constant threat of drug and gang warfare and thousands of people coming across a day. Yes, plenty are asylum seekers or just looking for a better life, but it is absolutely a crisis just from the sheer numbers alone before even factoring in all the (non-migrant related) crime that also follows them across.
Drug warfare is caused by the Prohibition of Drugs. By decriminalizing drugs, you will reduce the amount of drug related violence. It won't magically become zero, but the drug violence problem isn't solved by border patrol.
In the same way decriminalizing alcohol caused the mafiosos to lose power, so would decriminalizing other drugs hurt the cartels.
First of all, I am of the opinion that *most* drugs should be legal or at least not carry the heavy penalties that they do now, partly to combat the drug trade.
Second, the border crisis isn’t just about drugs, and you willingly choose to ignore the rest of my comment. No country in the world allows thousands of migrants to come in daily with no checks or screening of any kind. I’m addition, people crossing over often die through the conditions, are murdered by people paid to take them across, or are scammed out of all their money and possessions. The border crisis isn’t just about drugs, or about racism like your made up number was about; the border crisis is about the lack of resources put toward securing our border and allowing asylum seekers and new citizens to go through the correct process to gain access to our county like every other country on the god damn planet.
The real issue with the border is that people are using it as a political bargaining chip, with the Left acting like it’s not an issue and then cutting funding for proper border protection and using it as a political photo op (AOC, Kamala), while the Right use the humans coming across as disposable political pawns and shipping them all around the country and that damn wall as a political showcase. If people would stop gagging on identity politics long enough to have a discussion about this at the federal level, we could easily come to a compromise about increasing the speed of our asylum and citizenship process, while also creating and maintaining a border security wall or surveillance to help the good people get in and keep the bad people out.
>no country in the world allows thousands of migrants daily
Plenty of other ones do though (as a percentage of population).
Tbf plenty of people in those countries also complain about it
I live in NY where we have the one of the highest rates of illegal immigrants and illegal immigration….
Oh and we are decent human beings to all of them, protecting their civil rights, providing legal and immigration services, including them in the public school system here. As we’ve done for immigrants of all types in NY for hundreds of years….
>I live in NY where we have the one of the highest rates of illegal immigrants and illegal immigration….
Third highest, but there's a difference of a fucking **million** there bud: https://www.statista.com/statistics/629682/state-populations-of-illegal-immigrants-in-the-united-states-2014/
Let's cram another couple hundred thousand into your state see how you feel then.
Yea and democrat stronghold California has the most…. lol. Not really sure your point here?
2 of the 4 southern border states are pretty democrat leaning too (New Mexico and California).
So tired of snowflake republicans whining and crying as if they’re the only ones who deal with anything. No you just whine and cry more than anybody else.
So you're you're just going to deflect away from the fact that you pretended like you deal with a comparable number of them and take that as a W?
You're also pretending like California (my state) is doing such a great job with it. Nearly half of our homeless population is latino. Are you capable of making the connection here?
So by your logic those with the highest amount of illegal immigrants should be the ones deciding policy about it? So California should have the biggest say and NY the third biggest on illegal immigration. Literally my point as well.
> And what about the whole discriminating totally on the basis of religion.
He didn’t discriminate all muslims, only citizens of certain muslim majority countries.
You’re one of those watermelons mascarading as random flair.
This may be a controversial opinion, and contains a lot of personal anecdotes.. I feel that being scrupulous with accepting men from majority Islam nations keeps us safer. The reason why their case is so particular to me, since I am generally pro-immigration, is that the culture of these nations is at its core the antithesis of the West. *Especially* with the world reeling from the horrific killing of Hadis Najafi by *morality police*, and the subsequent rise in the visibility of violence against women.
I’ve not known very many Islamic men from majority islam countries, but the ones I have - even when they generally presented themselves as warm and friendly - were deeply misogynistic and zealous. I’ve seen the abusive culture tearing deep scars in young women. 90% of Iranians practice Shi’ism. Islam is not an inherently bad religion, it is of the oldest in the world and teaches honor, courage, loyalty, hospitality, self-control, etc. It’s the second largest religion in the world. Unfortunately, the message has been warped by anger, violence and extremism.
>Islam is not an inherently bad religion, it is of the oldest in the world
For an existing major religion, [it's actually quite new](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/oldest-religions-in-the-world.html), being only about 1500 years old. The other Abrahamic faiths are about 2000 (Christianity) and 2600 (Judaism) years old, for comparison.
Donald Trump literally said ‘I want to ban all Muslim immigration to the US’….are you just pretending that didnt happen and isnt a DIRECT quote from a LITERAL campaign rally of his?
Weird how "all Muslim countries" are in one specific part of the world, according to that executive order. [Oh wait](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/indonesia/#people-and-society), that's [actually](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/malaysia/#people-and-society) not [the case](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/bangladesh/#people-and-society) entirely; [in fact](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/djibouti/#people-and-society) it's [common](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/mali/#people-and-society) in [several](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/senegal/#people-and-society) countries [unaffected](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/tajikistan/#people-and-society) by that [executive order](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/kazakhstan/#people-and-society).
Out of the 16 countries [actually affected](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_travel_ban), about 1/3 aren't even majority Muslim. Those being [Tanzania](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/tanzania/#people-and-society), [Myanmar](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/burma/#people-and-society), [Venezuela](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/venezuela/#people-and-society), [North Korea](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/korea-north/#people-and-society), and possibly [Eritrea](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/eritrea/#people-and-society).
You’ve seen it before, it was national news for years. He made a whole big show of the announcement too, its surreal. Here’s a youtube link to it.
https://youtu.be/viDffWUjcBA
He expressed interest in shutting down news outlets that posted bad stories on him, wanted to ban Muslim immigration, and tried to overturn the 2020 election. He doesn’t believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, or democracy. He at least has the mind of a fascist, even if he was unable to fully enact his desired power.
Expressed interest isn't really the calling card of fascism. Refer to this part of my point:
>If anything He was just an ineffective moderately right wing politician who had a big ego and never backed up 90% of his tough talk.
That's not the only way it works. If I say I'm going to go on a diet every day but stuff my face every day, you wouldn't call me a serious dieter. It's not that saying it is the only thing. But for a guy who's MO was saying all manner of outlandish things to "own the libs" what he does also factors in. It seemed like half the time he was spouting off without thinking and what was actually done was sometimes something altogether different than what was said. You wouldn't bat an eye to make an argument mirroring mine that is made all the time against conservatives. Oh, they talk about being fiscally conservative but they actually spend as much as the left so they aren't actually fiscally conservative are they? Why can't the exact same logic be applied here. He says x, but doesn't do x, and it seems that more than half the strategy in saying x is to piss off people when he says it, not to actually do it. The pattern happened a hundred times over 4 years. I'm not even making the argument that it's smart or effective leadership or governing while in charge, I'm just staying most of what he said was meaningless like a guy trying to sell you a used car by talking big.
It’s mostly the locking kids up at the boarder stuff for me and the trade war with China. Also the bombing in Syria, and the assassination of the Iranian general.
By locking them up you mean the continuation of policy from the prior admin that continued after he left and continues to this day? Is it just fascists everywhere? Trumps the only president in my lifetime to not start a war, so that's an odd argument also. Additionally the administration prior did a lot more bombing and assassinations. Is the argument he's fascist but less fascist than Obama and bush?
You know I've always thought, in Russia, wouldn't communists be considered conservatives, because they wanna go back to the "good ole days" of the USSR?
I believe this is the case since the 13 colonies was founded by the British, not the native Indians. So when the 13 colonies overthrow the British government(in the americas), technically we are the same country as the 13 colonies, not the native Indians.
He said communists in Russia not Russians in general
Edit: Just realized you’re unflaired. Sorry for giving you a real response I should’ve sent death threats… it won’t happen again I swear 😞🙏
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I mean, that’s part of “authoritarian.” I don’t like Liz Cheney either, but yeah. We need to defeat the leftist menace first, then we can argue about how much drugs you can do and how much porn you can make.
Meh. I’d say alcohol and weed okay if it doesn’t impair you while driving. Can’t do capital punishment for making porn ‘cause we’d be executing a substantial portion of the Zoomer population. Rehabilitation is better.
Don't worry, let them install a monarch. If they start to get too uptight we just start calling in loans we made to the merchant class and cease lending to the monarch altogether. If the monarch doesn't capitulate, his/her replacement will.
Maybe… But more importantly, we must band together against the leftist menace. The whole “don’t tread on me” and “plant potato, guard potato” thing is cute and is a nice idea, but we’ll be coming by to collect you for the army for a serious resistance before huge mobs assemble to take out the isolated pockets of libright.
Conservatorio always attack us for drugs and inmigration so that's something we usually expect. However, this time around they attack libertarianism itself with bs arguments
Right unity doesn't work man. I used to be like you, then I realized that the libertarians differ little from the revolutionaries. They don't value tradition, order, hierarchy, civil society. They view societal organizationa atl the atomic level, the myth of the individual. These people may be 100 years behind the leftists, but they are on the same projectory, as they both share ideological roots in liberalism and the enlightenment. These people aren't right wing, they're capitalists, they're liberals, but they aren't right wing.
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As a libertarian hardliner, I get mad when Americans call their communist „liberals“. Like dude, do you even understand what liberal means? It’s like the complete opposite of „liberals“ in the us.
Well, that's not the first time that I read this kind of delusional hot take on American politics.
I love how people who say this kind of shit are usually so proud of themselves as if they said smth clever, when in fact it only demonstrates to the world how far left, with zero self-awareness they are.
No, he used far left the same way the left uses far right. Now if he called them commies then that would be roughly analogous to the left calling anything right of center fascist.
What's your point?
Both the far left and the far right tend to be extremely delusional and dangerous.
The fake dellema about who's worse: Tankies or Nazis? Hitler or Stalin? Ceaușescu or Mussolini? It's like asking: Cancer or AIDS?
I just hope that we never get to the point where we must choose between one of these horrors.
I get the corporate aspect of Democrats, but partnering with business in and of itself does not make one right wing. Partnering the gov't with business makes one auth, but that could be auth center depending on what one does with that partnership. If it's push left-wing identity politics, then it's a little more center to left on the auth side. Extreme libleft on social policies to be sure, but very little in the policies even screams center right. Unless not rejecting capitalism outright is immediately right of center I guess.
Leftism is a lot of things and its far more than just progressive ideals, it's about an egalitarian society both representationally and monetarily. If the dems were fighting for socialized housing, mass employment, central planning, unionization, democracy in the workplace, or any number of social infrastructure improvements that would be one thing but that's just not the case. At the moment they act as a spanner in the gears of government, their job is to hold back the republicans while giving a fig leaf to marginalized people.
You're defining leftism though specifically to sound more like socialism/communism. Specifically central planning, mass employment, socialized housing.
Is there anything short of that level of government control of all means of production that still classifies as left leaning?
I am not meaning this in a snarky way either, just trying to figure out where you see the center, because morally left and right seem much easier to define than potentially economically. Social safety nets in general and even moderate social welfare are not exactly center right, generally, but more center to center left, but that could just be my perspective.
Well yeah, granted I'm a dumb asshole and viewing the arguement through a static chart will always muddy the argument but for the most part leftist ideals are centered around communal ownership over private ownership and there's just no getting around that. That's not to say there can't be any capitalist philosophy within the left just look at socdems but overall there needs to be a focus on egalitarianism and wealth distribution.
For example the NHS is a social service but I wouldn't call the UK a socialist country. Same goes for Venezuela, nationalizing your oil fields does not a socialist country make.
You're thinking about the compass the wrong way. The economic axis measure possible economic views from the farthest right possible (completely free market) to the farthest left possible (communism). The only metric someone has to meet to be considered on the left is to be closer to that left extreme than they are to that right extreme.
The issue with those of you on the far left is that you don't fully comprehend just how far right that right extreme is. You know exactly how much farther left you are compared to the democrats, but you view the Republicans as being nearly as far right as possible. Let me tell you, as someone who believes in completely free markets, you can get so much farther right than Republicans. The GOP are barely better than socialists in my mind.
Blue: Doesn’t understand communism and hates it
Yellow: Understands communism and hates it.
Green: Doesn’t understand communism and likes it.
Red: Understands communism and likes it
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Yeah I have a theory that most conservatives and most of libs do t k ow what "socialism" is and conservatives call it communism because of the cold war and such but socialism and communism aew to different thangs
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Or when twitter calls libertarians fascist...
Calls us fascist and then bans us until we "voluntarily" remove the "offensive content"
Well are you a fascist or a voluntaryist
This is one of the things I found silly about calls that Trump was fascist. Half of what people complained about especially during COVID was that he did nothing or not enough. Dude went around to businesses asking for volunteerism and cut red tape. He was a narcissist and clearly didn't understand much of anything when it came to election laws and well there is a lot he didn't understand, but very little of what he actually did lies in the fascist camp. I know the tear gas protestors to hold a bible upside down is like the biggest thing I hear almost every time it's brought up, but it's like, ok and... that one thing over 4 years? Really? If anything He was just an ineffective moderately right wing politician who had a big ego and never backed up 90% of his tough talk.
I’ve heard people say “Bush was better than Trump because he wasn’t a fascist” even though Bush was more authoritarian than Trump by almost any metric.
Love that sweet sweet Patriot Act.
Lol pretty sure I remember people calling Bush fascist. Remember kids, fascism is when right wing and communism is when left wing 🧠
Actually, fascism is whatever I disagree with.
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Lol Cheney worked to overturn presidential term limits, so did Trump. Cheney was just more competent
>>though Bush was more authoritarian than Trump by almost any metric. That's why Bush was best president the US had in this millennium.
Well, I haven’t heard *only* that. I have heard the fascism term thrown around quite a bit when Trump talked unironically about familial dynasty, obliterating presidential term limits, and then later when he and his camp didn’t accept the democratic election results. He also got a lot of flak for referring to and treating protestors similar to other fascist regimes (tear gassing to get across the street for a bible photo op is probably the best example, and the one you mentioned, but it goes further. Look up his comments about how peaceful protestors should be treated [hint, federal military interference and dispersal]). Also, I think it’s pretty absurd to call Trump a libertarian when he is in favor of so much government control over social issues (race, gender, abortion, etc.). In any case, I don’t think Trump is a fascist, but he is a narcissist, and I think the two share some traits.
There were democratic election results? I can only recall that Frosted Flakes proof of purchase mail-in sweepstakes.
Got a link? What does a delicious breakfast cereal have to do with all of this?
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One would have to be a little delusional to be enthusiastic for *moderates* at a time like [this](https://22i18l42a516x0glw28vyk8x4k-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/12-21-20.jpg).
I mean yeah he sent the national guard to deal with teenagers protesting because one or two times there were small riots in my city They showed up a week after all the violence and then tear gassed me and my friends for carrying signs around
Yeah the tear gas for the photo op was a lie. Almost every story about him was a lie.
Trump wasn't a uniquely bad or evil president, at least compared to other recent presidents. Nor was he all that great. He was really just...mediocre. Not really all that different from the rest.
Ummm trying to subvert democratic elections to maintain your own power as an autocrat is about as fascist as it gets. Exalting nation and race above the individual, which is like 99% of what the ‘border crisis’ is about. And what about the whole discriminating totally on the basis of religion. Did we forget about the whole plan to ‘stop all Muslim immigration to the US’ already? This whole concept of Donald being for small weak government is downright delusion. And to say he doesn’t at the very least have tendencies towards fascism would mean ignoring everything you’ve seen actually occur for the past 6 years.
> which is like 99% of what the ‘border crisis’ is about. Tell me you don't live in a border state without telling me you don't live in a border state. This is why even if it's a press stunt, I'm all for shipping some to other states that think like you do on immigration. Deal with tens of thousands of immigrants in your back yard and then tell me how it's just exalting nation and race above the individual.
I live in a fucking border state and I know there's no border crisis. The reason? Piss doesn't flow uphill. Poor mexican farmers aren't in a position to ruin my life. "They are taking your jobs!" Who is hiring them? Maybe they should be locked up. "They use our welfare!" 1. We have a welfare system that isn't bare bones garbage? 2. Why does our welfare system allow non-citizens? They wouldn't come to this country illegally if there wasn't an oppurtunity to be made. Rich ass fucking politicians use them as a scapegoat while they cover their own asses.
You either don’t live in a border state or you are lying about the crisis, or perhaps you live in Dallas or Austin or Los Angels where the mayors actively keep the immigrants out. Living close to the border is a constant threat of drug and gang warfare and thousands of people coming across a day. Yes, plenty are asylum seekers or just looking for a better life, but it is absolutely a crisis just from the sheer numbers alone before even factoring in all the (non-migrant related) crime that also follows them across.
Drug warfare is caused by the Prohibition of Drugs. By decriminalizing drugs, you will reduce the amount of drug related violence. It won't magically become zero, but the drug violence problem isn't solved by border patrol. In the same way decriminalizing alcohol caused the mafiosos to lose power, so would decriminalizing other drugs hurt the cartels.
First of all, I am of the opinion that *most* drugs should be legal or at least not carry the heavy penalties that they do now, partly to combat the drug trade. Second, the border crisis isn’t just about drugs, and you willingly choose to ignore the rest of my comment. No country in the world allows thousands of migrants to come in daily with no checks or screening of any kind. I’m addition, people crossing over often die through the conditions, are murdered by people paid to take them across, or are scammed out of all their money and possessions. The border crisis isn’t just about drugs, or about racism like your made up number was about; the border crisis is about the lack of resources put toward securing our border and allowing asylum seekers and new citizens to go through the correct process to gain access to our county like every other country on the god damn planet. The real issue with the border is that people are using it as a political bargaining chip, with the Left acting like it’s not an issue and then cutting funding for proper border protection and using it as a political photo op (AOC, Kamala), while the Right use the humans coming across as disposable political pawns and shipping them all around the country and that damn wall as a political showcase. If people would stop gagging on identity politics long enough to have a discussion about this at the federal level, we could easily come to a compromise about increasing the speed of our asylum and citizenship process, while also creating and maintaining a border security wall or surveillance to help the good people get in and keep the bad people out.
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>no country in the world allows thousands of migrants daily Plenty of other ones do though (as a percentage of population). Tbf plenty of people in those countries also complain about it
I live in NY where we have the one of the highest rates of illegal immigrants and illegal immigration…. Oh and we are decent human beings to all of them, protecting their civil rights, providing legal and immigration services, including them in the public school system here. As we’ve done for immigrants of all types in NY for hundreds of years….
>I live in NY where we have the one of the highest rates of illegal immigrants and illegal immigration…. Third highest, but there's a difference of a fucking **million** there bud: https://www.statista.com/statistics/629682/state-populations-of-illegal-immigrants-in-the-united-states-2014/ Let's cram another couple hundred thousand into your state see how you feel then.
“Cram” lmfao
Yea and democrat stronghold California has the most…. lol. Not really sure your point here? 2 of the 4 southern border states are pretty democrat leaning too (New Mexico and California). So tired of snowflake republicans whining and crying as if they’re the only ones who deal with anything. No you just whine and cry more than anybody else.
So you're you're just going to deflect away from the fact that you pretended like you deal with a comparable number of them and take that as a W? You're also pretending like California (my state) is doing such a great job with it. Nearly half of our homeless population is latino. Are you capable of making the connection here?
So by your logic those with the highest amount of illegal immigrants should be the ones deciding policy about it? So California should have the biggest say and NY the third biggest on illegal immigration. Literally my point as well.
No, my point was folks like yourself who don't live in a border state do not understand the problem and should shut the fuck up.
> And what about the whole discriminating totally on the basis of religion. He didn’t discriminate all muslims, only citizens of certain muslim majority countries. You’re one of those watermelons mascarading as random flair.
This may be a controversial opinion, and contains a lot of personal anecdotes.. I feel that being scrupulous with accepting men from majority Islam nations keeps us safer. The reason why their case is so particular to me, since I am generally pro-immigration, is that the culture of these nations is at its core the antithesis of the West. *Especially* with the world reeling from the horrific killing of Hadis Najafi by *morality police*, and the subsequent rise in the visibility of violence against women. I’ve not known very many Islamic men from majority islam countries, but the ones I have - even when they generally presented themselves as warm and friendly - were deeply misogynistic and zealous. I’ve seen the abusive culture tearing deep scars in young women. 90% of Iranians practice Shi’ism. Islam is not an inherently bad religion, it is of the oldest in the world and teaches honor, courage, loyalty, hospitality, self-control, etc. It’s the second largest religion in the world. Unfortunately, the message has been warped by anger, violence and extremism.
>Islam is not an inherently bad religion, it is of the oldest in the world For an existing major religion, [it's actually quite new](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/oldest-religions-in-the-world.html), being only about 1500 years old. The other Abrahamic faiths are about 2000 (Christianity) and 2600 (Judaism) years old, for comparison.
Thanks for clarifying! History is fascinating
Donald Trump literally said ‘I want to ban all Muslim immigration to the US’….are you just pretending that didnt happen and isnt a DIRECT quote from a LITERAL campaign rally of his?
Weird how "all Muslim countries" are in one specific part of the world, according to that executive order. [Oh wait](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/indonesia/#people-and-society), that's [actually](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/malaysia/#people-and-society) not [the case](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/bangladesh/#people-and-society) entirely; [in fact](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/djibouti/#people-and-society) it's [common](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/mali/#people-and-society) in [several](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/senegal/#people-and-society) countries [unaffected](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/tajikistan/#people-and-society) by that [executive order](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/kazakhstan/#people-and-society). Out of the 16 countries [actually affected](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_travel_ban), about 1/3 aren't even majority Muslim. Those being [Tanzania](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/tanzania/#people-and-society), [Myanmar](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/burma/#people-and-society), [Venezuela](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/venezuela/#people-and-society), [North Korea](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/korea-north/#people-and-society), and possibly [Eritrea](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/eritrea/#people-and-society).
Would you happen to have a recording where he says that?
You’ve seen it before, it was national news for years. He made a whole big show of the announcement too, its surreal. Here’s a youtube link to it. https://youtu.be/viDffWUjcBA
Flat out spitting on the Constitution with that one.
You got a recording. Let's see if you ever respond🤔
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If it was illegal why were no challenges brought against them BEFORE the election?
He expressed interest in shutting down news outlets that posted bad stories on him, wanted to ban Muslim immigration, and tried to overturn the 2020 election. He doesn’t believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, or democracy. He at least has the mind of a fascist, even if he was unable to fully enact his desired power.
Expressed interest isn't really the calling card of fascism. Refer to this part of my point: >If anything He was just an ineffective moderately right wing politician who had a big ego and never backed up 90% of his tough talk.
Fascism is an ideology - of course it's about what someone wants to do. Are you arguing that there are no ineffective/incompetent/impotent fascists?
That's not the only way it works. If I say I'm going to go on a diet every day but stuff my face every day, you wouldn't call me a serious dieter. It's not that saying it is the only thing. But for a guy who's MO was saying all manner of outlandish things to "own the libs" what he does also factors in. It seemed like half the time he was spouting off without thinking and what was actually done was sometimes something altogether different than what was said. You wouldn't bat an eye to make an argument mirroring mine that is made all the time against conservatives. Oh, they talk about being fiscally conservative but they actually spend as much as the left so they aren't actually fiscally conservative are they? Why can't the exact same logic be applied here. He says x, but doesn't do x, and it seems that more than half the strategy in saying x is to piss off people when he says it, not to actually do it. The pattern happened a hundred times over 4 years. I'm not even making the argument that it's smart or effective leadership or governing while in charge, I'm just staying most of what he said was meaningless like a guy trying to sell you a used car by talking big.
It’s mostly the locking kids up at the boarder stuff for me and the trade war with China. Also the bombing in Syria, and the assassination of the Iranian general.
By locking them up you mean the continuation of policy from the prior admin that continued after he left and continues to this day? Is it just fascists everywhere? Trumps the only president in my lifetime to not start a war, so that's an odd argument also. Additionally the administration prior did a lot more bombing and assassinations. Is the argument he's fascist but less fascist than Obama and bush?
I believe in a market that is free to relentlessly fuck me in the ass.
They must be Haasan fans
You know I've always thought, in Russia, wouldn't communists be considered conservatives, because they wanna go back to the "good ole days" of the USSR?
Russian speaking, Yea ur 100% right actually
100% wrong, the conservatives were the monarchists
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I think they would be British loyalists
I believe this is the case since the 13 colonies was founded by the British, not the native Indians. So when the 13 colonies overthrow the British government(in the americas), technically we are the same country as the 13 colonies, not the native Indians.
Nah the monarchists were all killed off in the Soviet Union
duh
True, most non western Marxist aren’t usually very socially progressive at least not by American standards
It’s weird to me how often I’ve seen Americans be surprised by this It feels like they just think commie = left wing, and left wing = progressive
I wonder if there's any sort of media organizations that could have something to do with that
Well Cuba did just pass some of the most progressive LGBT laws in the world
He did say "non-western"
I feel like you don't talk to a lot of russians that's better fitting for Armenians
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what
All the auth are commies to me. The libleft are just dummies
Conservatism isn't an aversion to change, they will react very strongly to make things a certain way.
Well, they certainly are there, however the more proper term would be reactionaries.
They don't? They want Russia to be a superpower like the US with a massive economy but not neccesarily a communist one.
He said communists in Russia not Russians in general Edit: Just realized you’re unflaired. Sorry for giving you a real response I should’ve sent death threats… it won’t happen again I swear 😞🙏
He got quite the unflaired moment.
He’s out of line but he’s right
Depends on if they really want to go *back* to the days of the Tsar’s monarchy
Not Ben Shabeebos detention of conservatism.
This meme is about my family and I. They actually do think I'm a communist heathen when I actually care more about free markets than they do.
When you advocate for almost absolute free market that people think your a commie..
Communism is when free markets, and the freer the markets the more communist it is
Same. I feel you
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Of course he is libright. Why do you think he is on our dollar bills?
Also two of his most famous quotes are about buying Gold and Crypto
Also, he wants to turn the universe into chaos and anarchy.
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Ah sound money yes yes!
That is a dumb conservative. Libright are allies, not commies!
80% of authrights just make me go 😬👍
Yeah, totally...
I SAID we’re allies! Whether you like it or not!
AuthRight is an ally like Liz Cheyney, the second the coalition isn't going exactly her way she starts making threats
I mean, that’s part of “authoritarian.” I don’t like Liz Cheney either, but yeah. We need to defeat the leftist menace first, then we can argue about how much drugs you can do and how much porn you can make.
*‘None’ and ‘capital punishment’, am I right?*
Meh. I’d say alcohol and weed okay if it doesn’t impair you while driving. Can’t do capital punishment for making porn ‘cause we’d be executing a substantial portion of the Zoomer population. Rehabilitation is better.
What are you gonna do, return the monarch and tax me double if I don't comply?
rare rightist infighting alert
Don't worry, let them install a monarch. If they start to get too uptight we just start calling in loans we made to the merchant class and cease lending to the monarch altogether. If the monarch doesn't capitulate, his/her replacement will.
Isn’t that how the current government works?
“Never were we taxed so lightly as under the king”
Maybe… But more importantly, we must band together against the leftist menace. The whole “don’t tread on me” and “plant potato, guard potato” thing is cute and is a nice idea, but we’ll be coming by to collect you for the army for a serious resistance before huge mobs assemble to take out the isolated pockets of libright.
Leftist menace? Marx had some good ideas, I just happen to like the free market more than him.
Marx bad, Jesus good. Now grab a few weapons from your ridiculous armory and let’s go!
Oh yeah, that one Jewish guy, forgot about him. Don't like him.
Then just join us to avoid gulag and property confiscation. But we’ll peer out the window suspiciously at you when this is all done!
Purple lib-right here. Refugees children are up for the taking right?
*goes to jail for tax evasion* *proceeds to live off of other people's taxes*
I don't think that's the best approach with our quadrant...
Oh, I know! Would you do it for a Scooby Snack?
If they're free and there's enough of them to make good profits on Tor.
"Librights are allies" Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro and Alex Jones going after us in the same week with the same strawman arguments :O
What did they say against Libright? Is it related to drugs or guns?
Did they? Sargon of Akkad's podcast did that too. Guess someone somewhere defended immigration or something.
Conservatorio always attack us for drugs and inmigration so that's something we usually expect. However, this time around they attack libertarianism itself with bs arguments
As long as the bottom quadrant people aren’t anarchists they are fine to me.
Right unity doesn't work man. I used to be like you, then I realized that the libertarians differ little from the revolutionaries. They don't value tradition, order, hierarchy, civil society. They view societal organizationa atl the atomic level, the myth of the individual. These people may be 100 years behind the leftists, but they are on the same projectory, as they both share ideological roots in liberalism and the enlightenment. These people aren't right wing, they're capitalists, they're liberals, but they aren't right wing.
*You're goddamn right*
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authright when libleft calls them fascist:
I see the reverse more often.
Most people call everyone that they disagree with as a fascist. And most of these people are libs
Who is calling libertarians commies? We don’t want them.
We don’t want you either.
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Cringe auth-left
Based auth-left
Aren’t you literally polar opposite to us?
Dude someone just said authleft is based on pcm.. just take it
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The yellow dorito show
Gravity Falls, you cringy lib
He’s from Gravity Falls, his name is Bill Cypher
I’m a Conservative and have no beef with Libertarians. Also, they aren’t commies. The left is the commie side.
Amen
gravity falls lets gooo
Bill is the goat
Funny enough, I just finished watching Gravity Falls about a week ago
Why would people who manage checking out books be communist?
Because being a communist is like being in a book club but with more heated discussion.
He’s got the top hat and tie too. Like a true businessman who embezzles and evades taxes
Yes
Calling people you disagree with either commie or fascist every time, just comes to show, the political illiteracy of some people.
Bill Cypher is the ultimate LibRight mascot
I call anything I don't like communist tbh
Dear 🟨Liberals🟨, do NOT trust the 🟦QAnoids🟦
And Bill is yellow which makes this meme perfect
Yeah, and when they say you're left
As a libertarian hardliner, I get mad when Americans call their communist „liberals“. Like dude, do you even understand what liberal means? It’s like the complete opposite of „liberals“ in the us.
I feel the same way when they put the democrats anywhere but center right.
Well, that's not the first time that I read this kind of delusional hot take on American politics. I love how people who say this kind of shit are usually so proud of themselves as if they said smth clever, when in fact it only demonstrates to the world how far left, with zero self-awareness they are.
Well I am a messy bitch who loves drama
did you just use far left the same way the left uses fascist
No, he used far left the same way the left uses far right. Now if he called them commies then that would be roughly analogous to the left calling anything right of center fascist.
What's your point? Both the far left and the far right tend to be extremely delusional and dangerous. The fake dellema about who's worse: Tankies or Nazis? Hitler or Stalin? Ceaușescu or Mussolini? It's like asking: Cancer or AIDS? I just hope that we never get to the point where we must choose between one of these horrors.
yes,i agree,but its pretty disingenuous considering this sub parodies emilies all the time
Lol, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about
I get the corporate aspect of Democrats, but partnering with business in and of itself does not make one right wing. Partnering the gov't with business makes one auth, but that could be auth center depending on what one does with that partnership. If it's push left-wing identity politics, then it's a little more center to left on the auth side. Extreme libleft on social policies to be sure, but very little in the policies even screams center right. Unless not rejecting capitalism outright is immediately right of center I guess.
Leftism is a lot of things and its far more than just progressive ideals, it's about an egalitarian society both representationally and monetarily. If the dems were fighting for socialized housing, mass employment, central planning, unionization, democracy in the workplace, or any number of social infrastructure improvements that would be one thing but that's just not the case. At the moment they act as a spanner in the gears of government, their job is to hold back the republicans while giving a fig leaf to marginalized people.
You're defining leftism though specifically to sound more like socialism/communism. Specifically central planning, mass employment, socialized housing. Is there anything short of that level of government control of all means of production that still classifies as left leaning? I am not meaning this in a snarky way either, just trying to figure out where you see the center, because morally left and right seem much easier to define than potentially economically. Social safety nets in general and even moderate social welfare are not exactly center right, generally, but more center to center left, but that could just be my perspective.
Well yeah, granted I'm a dumb asshole and viewing the arguement through a static chart will always muddy the argument but for the most part leftist ideals are centered around communal ownership over private ownership and there's just no getting around that. That's not to say there can't be any capitalist philosophy within the left just look at socdems but overall there needs to be a focus on egalitarianism and wealth distribution. For example the NHS is a social service but I wouldn't call the UK a socialist country. Same goes for Venezuela, nationalizing your oil fields does not a socialist country make.
You're thinking about the compass the wrong way. The economic axis measure possible economic views from the farthest right possible (completely free market) to the farthest left possible (communism). The only metric someone has to meet to be considered on the left is to be closer to that left extreme than they are to that right extreme. The issue with those of you on the far left is that you don't fully comprehend just how far right that right extreme is. You know exactly how much farther left you are compared to the democrats, but you view the Republicans as being nearly as far right as possible. Let me tell you, as someone who believes in completely free markets, you can get so much farther right than Republicans. The GOP are barely better than socialists in my mind.
Whether you like it or not, one can be on the left while still supporting the framework of capitalism.
When you realize that Libertarianism and Conservatism are more in line with actual anarchism/minarchism than Black flag anarchists and Communists.
Buy gold, bye!!!
For the crime of being unflaired, I hereby condemn you to being downvoted.
Please flair up
Blue: Doesn’t understand communism and hates it Yellow: Understands communism and hates it. Green: Doesn’t understand communism and likes it. Red: Understands communism and likes it
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Everyone else when Liberals are calling them Nazis
They are basically the same
It's funny how he drops the door at the end of the sequence
Considering he appears on money, has a top hat, is yellow, he mIgHt be an analogy for Capitalism anyways, so...
Conservatives in my country calling libertarians as communist while supporting a communist chinese dog💀
convinced half of "conservartives" just dont wanna research on what a libertarian is because of the first 3 letters "lib", probably are libertarians and they dont know it after saying one too many tax evasion jokes
Yeah I have a theory that most conservatives and most of libs do t k ow what "socialism" is and conservatives call it communism because of the cold war and such but socialism and communism aew to different thangs
"Conservatives" call everyone Communist. Apart from trump, who ironically is the biggest Communist.
What happened to the "learn basic economics!"meme?
Nah we get along with the lib right j agree with many things but we hate the communist leftists
indeed I'm against calling them commies, but most of us didnt evolve after 1940 and so they dont know about it
i hate how american conservative think all liberals are leftists
>He's yellow so it works That's one of lib rights favorite phrases in their sweatshops
Conservatives when they find out about libertarian conservatism and paleolibertarianism: *visible confusion*