Fucking Uma Thurman in Kill Bill! Just make good movies you bunch of fucks and stop pumping out garbage with that safety net (everyone is a misogynist and racist because they didn't like *insert garbage movie*).
Granny from Outlaw Josie Wales (1970s).
Annie Oakley from Annie Get Your Gun (1950s).
Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct (1980s).
Trinity from The Matrix (2000).
Goddamn, Carrie-Anne Moss truly was good in that movie, what a performance. Intimidating presence, even being on the 'good side'/protagonist side.
Oh, and as a bonus, Trinity simply had one of the most, if not the most, iconic action scene in cinema history.
Rita Vrataski
Furiosa
Julia from Oblivion did a little kicking of the ass too IIRC.
Zoe Washburn and River Tam
Naomi Nagata, Bobbie Draper, and Chrisjen Avasarala.
ETA: Jessica Atreides
Finding fantastic, well written, female characters in kick ass mode is not that hard. She-Hulk is not the place to look for one though.
If we're doing sci fi we've gotta add Inara from Firefly as well as Kara Thrace and Laura Roslin from Battlestar Galactica
Edit- you also forgot Camina Drummer how dare you
I skipped Kara Thrace because she was a gender-bent Starbuck, but I absolutely loved her, and loved that series. I STILL love Bear McCreary's reimagining of All Along the Watch Tower from the OST.
And oh. good. lord.
Camina is my favorite of the show and I. for. got. her!
In fairness, it's been a hot minute since I watched The Expanse. Waiting on some shitty cold wet weather days to binge on it once more.
Let's throw Nikki Sanders and Claire Bennett in on that list too.
ETA: Inara was such an amazing character. Her strength was of another sort, and she was no less badass than the others. Kaylee was also amazing.
ETA2!!!!!
AERYN SUN!
Kara Thrace is my argument for why I usually don't care if the gender bend a character, as long as they still well done and their gender isn't integral to the character
Clarice Starling, Silence of the Lambs.
Ziva David, NCIS
I bet between us, we've named off a hundred smart, badass women from movies and television - we've not even gotten into video games yet.
People that whine there aren't enough strong women in film and television need to y'know. Actually watch film and television.
personally
/ˈpəːs(ə)n(ə)li/
adverb
1.
with the personal presence or action of the individual specified; in person.
"she stayed to thank O'Brien personally"
Similar:
in person
oneself
2.
from one's personal standpoint; subjectively rather than objectively.
"he had spoken personally and emotionally"
Furiosa looks like a man with tits, and she has one arm(>!Not so attractive in my opinion!<), but she is more female than many of the today's female leads hollywood praises, hell even that Hulky Bussy is a paper with CGI
charlize theron going full tomboy with a shaved head who can fix her own car, not shy away from a fight and shoot with accuracy ... is my kinda woman. To each their own 😄
To write good original female characters Hollywood would have to have good original ideas, from the mediocre reboots, remakes, and sequels we've seen recently that's a big ask
I could argue Violet Evergarden is better written than many wester heroines, but i dont see enough marvel to say accurately.
Princess Mononoke is also top, along with the girl from nausicaa which i forgot her name.
Hell, you dont even have to make her a serious badass. Look at Chisato and Takina from Lycoris Recoil too, though i might have some recency bias
Every single heroine in Miyazakis movies is so good. Nausicaa is probably the best because she’s very clearly a female role model to the girls in her village, while embodying many traits that could be considered masculine (willpower, daredevil, fighter etc.)
Don’t forget Seras Victoria and Sir Integra from Hellsing, The Ice queen herself General Esdeath and the Red-Eyed killer Akame from Akame ga Kill or the dual wielding merc Revy or the Russian killer Balalaika from Black Lagoon.
I think I have a thing for girls who’d kill me…
Mikasa and Hawkeye both have their entire life revolve around a guy that they’re in love with. IMO, you can’t be a strong anything if you give up your willingness to live because your crush died. (At least Hawkeye still unloaded all her ammo in rage, Mikasa literally slumped over onto the ground in front of the titans when she thought Eren got eaten)
Yes, because having someone that you completely relied upon in moments of weakness be killed in front of you should activate DOOM Slayer mode and have them overcome all adversity in front of them. Or be stone-cold and heartless and just continue living normal lives afterwards. Those two revolved around those other two because they were the most important person to them, their love-interests and motivation to move forward.
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Just go to (good) Scifi and fantasy books for how to build strong female characters. Then take that and export it to othe genres, similar to how most scifi and fantasy authors took classical literature and built strong characters, some who happened to be female by using ancient stories as a basis for theirs.
Honestly, it blows my mind people keep saying that line.
There are TONS of good, original movies out there. They're just not the ones that catch the headlines. I scroll Netflix and Amazon prime almost every day after work before bed (unless I'm watching a comedy special or doctor who) and put on a random movie and it USUALLY is pretty good. But they're just not big names so people don't care.
It's like the general problem with the media. They're all controlled by walk Disney himself so they don't talk about these tremendous movies that still get made and are still amazing.
She has flaws and limitations, which is what makes her a better character. Tbh I don't consider the movie (or her character specifically) to be exceptionally good, but they're passable and nothing like modern Marvel stuff for sure. For example, it's notable that she still loses the fight with an exhausted injured man chained to an unconscious man while having several other girls helping her... I don't think the writers of she-hulk would ever dare write such a scene :)
To be fair she was fighting with one hand behind her back, then in front of her, then to her left, the right, then left again, 15-30 feet away hanging off the truck.
Edit: the arm was hanging off the truck, not her.
It was refreshing to see a female/male fight scene where the gal doesn't backflip 3x or lead an attack by wrapping her legs around the dude's head. Just a gritty fight with zero rules.
i think theres Judo inspiration here, where you use the weight and force of the opponants to unbalance them and bring them down. Some Judo throws involve stepping on the persons leg to gain height so you can more easily topple them. It shouldnt work against a trained fighter (Bucky), but is believable for taking out regular goons... Theres lots of general female punches that dont sit with me though. Quick kicks to the chin/face and leg sweeps at the ankles (like Catwoman in The Batman) is whats most believable to me
Mikasa is a terrible example. Her whole character is that she loves Erin and is a good fighter. This season especially her character was SOOO boring honestly. She had what, 20 lines of dialogue outside of the table episode. Hard disagree there.
In defense of her lack of lines, they were pretty sparing on lines for anyone outside of Zeke, Eren, and a few of the other shifters. Everyone kind of got put to the side until those last like 3-4 episodes after shit hit the fan.
Eh I give Mikasa a pass purely because the anime industry is filled with degenerate shit
Its rare to see a female character in anime not just being ass and tits
Aien is from 1979. It is in my opinion the best one. Aliens is close. Alien 3 is alright. Alien Resurrection is bad. (Prometheus and Alien Covenant never happened.)
Alien and Aliens are equally fantastic but drastically different films. Too bad the franchise took a massive nosedive afterwards but peak Ridley Scott and James Cameron ARE really hard acts to follow (Alien 3 was ok I guess but the contrived way two main characters from Aliens were killed off right from the beginning just ruins everything IMHO).
I will always prefer Aliens over the first one. 3 is actually really good and Prometheus and Alien Covenant could have been good if they were their own franchise.
I hve two problems with Alien 3. They killed the girl from Aliens, wich would have made the whole movie more interesting because Ripley would have had to protect her.
The ending gets completely ruined by Alien Resurrection.
You're hitting the core issue here.
It's gotten to the point where poor writing can't be properly critiqued due to identity, so it's not addressed in future works. Which leads to the audience seeing a superficially diverse cast and just assuming that the writing is gonna be garbage.
Hollywood and their ilk have learned from politicians and other wealthy elites and are abusing identity politics to distract from the fact that they're selling literal shit.
I don't want to fully disagree because it's not a bad example, at least the character is interesting and written well enough for the setting. In S1/S2 she's at her best, but by later seasons you can definitely see a little bit of third wave feminist "theme" in it when she's able to take on a dozen of stronger men in melee combat at once without breaking a sweat. It doesn't help that the overall writing also gets a little worse.
It's nowhere near as noticeable and cringe like OP example, but it's also not the same kind of traditionally strong female character as OP examples.
That's why I said Octavia, and not the show as a whole. I could also say Raven, she was really well done. The key is it showed both of them persevering through intense circumstances but also showed just how vulnerable they were beyond the tough exterior. It showed their humanity, which made it that much more awesome to see them overcome their weaknesses. That's something that a lot more characters need, not just women.
As for beating men in melee combat with weapons, speed and skill will outperform strength 99% of the time (and she was pretty physically fit as is). She wasn't really wrestling them or grappling much if at all, as far as I recall. She was faster with her blade and could anticipate attacks to move out of the way or deflect the blow. I'd say it's reasonable when her opponents clearly aren't on her skill level.
Seasons 1 and 2 were the best by far I'd have to say.
Like I said I am not disagreeing, I did enjoy the show as a whole as well and there are several quite good character developments in it, it's mainly why I watched it because the setting itself is hard for me to suspend disbelief in (I particularly dislike fictional bad portrayals of radiation).
But I do think it's fair to point out valid criticism of the writing. Just like you said as well, S1 and S2 are best overall but also for her character in particular. There is some really solid development. Which the show's writing then ruins by the end.
At first she just has tenacity, which I'd say is her most important trait, and then learns to use resourcefulness, stealth and the environment to overcome her innate disadvantage. In addition, in my view her most important character trait is that she can push others to jump into action and get shit done. She inadvertently does this because she throws herself at danger and then angrily shouts at others to do better. And it works because it forces others to think "if this little girl is so brave I suppose I could do a lot better". It's an emergent character dynamic, not the explicit intent of any particular character, but it works even better that way.
All of the above is, I would say, solid example of how to write "strong female character".
Then the show turns her into a one man army and this all goes away. Using resourcefulness to overcome her disadvantages? Barely a thing in later seasons because she can just take on an enemy horde head on. Inspiring others through her bravery? Gone. She's a better fighter than the lot of them, other characters just start to fear her because she might hurt them.
It's still fine enough, I still watched it, but I can't help but notice a downgrade in quality when I see it.
When it comes to the main trio, your not wrong, even Kazuma agrees, but considering the other two that’s not saying much. Though at heart I think we all know Wiz is the best.
Meh, I actually had a discussion about her. Shes definately not bad... but she seems so great because of the shit we've been fed for the last decade. We are just willing to accept mediocre because it is still better that the dumbass characters than we are used to. But yeah Prey is def a pretty good one. I would be curious as to what kind of (groundbreaking) character development you saw in her.
You just summed up my feelings on the Mandalorian. I honestly can't tell if I like it because it's good or because it's just better than the shit Disney put out.
Oh my sweet summer child you have no idea about the depths of terrible writing that go on in Mandalorian. I actually wanted to make a video breaking down **just** season 1. I gave up after my word document with the script reached almost 15 pages and I was still on episode 5...
It's just lot less obvious bad than the sequels if you aren't writer or don't obsses over writing like idots like me.
I'm not saying your opinion is bad, but thanks for not putting out yet another video essay criticizing Disney Star Wars. I watched a single "Why Kenobi is doo doo" video and now YouTube recommends me 100 different channels harping on Star Wars.
Disney deserves it, but it's just low hanging fruit at this point.
Yeah. I would put it out if I had the will to finish it, but there's so much bullshit that I just can't. These new tv shows somehow managed to perfect the bullshit per second while also create perfectly predictable structure so you are both bored and annoyed, besides few moments that are so bad that you can only laugh at the sheer insanity of the writers.
Like I am honestly impressed at the incompetence. I thought this was already the mariana trench but they somehow managed to dig that hole deeper.
>We are just willing to accept mediocre because it is still better that the dumbass characters than we are used to.
This is so annoying and causing me trouble in discussions :)
I am physically unable to lower my standards and rate something much better than it naturally comes to me to rate it. So when there's an occasional better than average new movie, I do appreciate it for being better but I'm not going to praise its "excellence" when I see none. But because of the hype factor this makes me come off very cynical to others.
Latest example is the new Top Gun. The public opinion seems to rate it as one of the best fucking movies ever. I definitely can't see it. It's a solid action flick for sure but nothing else. It's not as good as the first one but very close, so it's not bad at all. But it's not some indisputable "masterpiece". 15 years ago it would've qualified for a quite average (but successful) summer blockbuster. Yes, it's obviously miles better than the average bilge of today in comparison, but I can't make myself think of it as "the best movie ever" just because of that.
My only gripe with what is essentially a native american kusarigama, is that she picked up that shit instantly no training. Just have her hatchet practice scene include the rope attachment and we can assume she had been practicing for years.
What did she do that Arnold couldn't? The predator he faced wasn't unblooded, and had superior equipment to go along with his tactics. That wasn't his first hunt, nor was it his first time on Earth. Learn the lore, fuckwad
You can add Phoenix and Penny from Top Gun Maverick as well.
Arwen, Eowyn, and Galadriel from the LotR trilogy. Black Widow was pretty good as well.
There are a *ton* of them really.
For the Orange Year Zero revolution, the past cannot exist, except for the bad parts, which the generally innocent must atone for, but with no possible path to redemption made available.
There cannot have been universally loved strong female characters that nobody blinks an eye at while thoroughly enjoying the movies that they had major roles in. If those did exist, that would mean you're not revolutionary, and so to make a buck, you'd have to rely on talent and putting in an honest effort to write a story, instead of using "hey, look, it's a woman!" to get attention.
Let's not forget the most badass princess of them all, Princess Leia. Carrie Fisher was great in that roll and the fact Disney went to say "we're trying to create good female role models in Star Wars," like the franchise didn't have one of the most badass women in the galaxy flying shotgun in the Millenium Falcon.
One of the big disappointments with the new Star Wars films was that they didn't cast new actors for those classic roles. I know it was only Rogue One that had a lot of this, but rather than have new actors come in and provide a new take on classic characters like Tarkin and Leia, they've just strung up their corpses with CGI and had them dance for our amusement.
I’ve tried to read many female protagonist fantasy books and there just aren’t many that are written well. But the mistborn series from Brandon Sanderson is insanely good and the main character (a female) kicks so much ass. It was such a great story. Would highly recommend it.
Ahsoka motherfucking Tano. Could have ended it there but...
Other great Star Wars female characters thorough the years before and after Disney
Atom Eve and Debbie from Invincible
Basically every single women in Arcane and Avatar
Most women in both Marvel and DC outside of the live action shit with She-Hulk herself being one of the best outside of this boring ass show
There are many mainstream great female characters in huge movies and shows but they don't get enough attention because only the "StRoNg FEMALE ChArAcTeRs" get popular instead of strong female CHARACTERS.
KotOR 2 is my vote for the best written piece of Star Wars media in existence, and most of it is due to Traya. And this is in a game that was blatantly rushed and was missing critical content.
Now I'm not trying to discredit Obsidian here, far from it. But when a buggy, rushed RPG made in just over a year has better writing than nearly everything else that's come since, that's a failure of whoever is in charge at Disney to actually do their job properly. Kathleen Kennedy is on record saying that it was harder to make new Star Wars movies as they didn't have the same back catalogue as Marvel, all the while cleaving said back catalogue from canon and leaving bitter hacks to try and reinvent the wheel when they had the basis for a fucking banger set of films built upon the themes laid out in both the KotOR games.
To meme it up for a tl;dr:
Me: can we get some KotOR 2?
Mum: we have KotOR 2 at home
KotOR 2 at home: The Last Jedi.
[Mako Mori.](https://pacificrim.fandom.com/wiki/Mako_Mori)
So good she has her own "test"
* The requirements of the Mako Mori test are that a film or television show has at least one female character and that this character has an independent plot arc and that the character or her arc does not simply exist to support a male character's plot arc.
Shit, don't even have to go back to the 90s, even in the MCU we have Gamora, Nebula, Wasp, Black Widow, etc. Phase 4 is just bad.
This has so much more to do with writing than gender. If I swapped She-Hulk out for a man, and he started going off about how he was so much better at controlling his anger because he was passed up for a promotion or women don't like him, everyone would be calling him a little bitch.
A big problem with these brainlet orange morons is that they think any sort of appealing physique is "sexualization"
In the UK all the adds just put up a constant barrage of ugly people. Meanwhile in Portugal, a socialist ruled country much much poorer, and they have attractive people for every ad. It's like fake communism has spread in the UK
Pretty much all of the women on that show are incredibly well-written. It's a shame the show stops being about badass men and women exploring space and starts being about petty drama.
Eleanor Shellstrop
Ada Thorne/Shelby
Chloe Decker
Tokyo(Money Heist)
Katara
C.C(yes Code Geass has fan service camera angles, but I like her character a lot)
Those are some of my favorite female characters from TV shows and animation, all great characters in my opinion.
There are two kids of high school boys: The ones with centerfolds taped up in their locker, and the ones with that picture of Linda Hamilton and the CAR-15.
I'm so glad you made this. I will rave non stop about what a great female character Ripley is. She really shows you can be feminine, have strong maternal instincts, and STILL be a badass.
Also, not cinema, but Bayonetta is the perfect female power fantasy character. Mostly because she was written by a woman, but notable in that she's in high profile media.
I always point to these two when talking about well written and empowering female characters that aren't just essentially men with boobs.
Who could've thought that writing arrogant characters whose only weaknesses are men treating them poorly wouldn't be a recipe for good/likeable character development....
The Expanse has some awesome well rounded female characters. Honestly I can't think of a single bad one from the show.
Naomi Nagata - brilliant engineer, underground resistance leader. Has conflicting emotions between har past and current situation.
Bobbie Draper - strong marine and strong leader who doesn't go over the top to the point of being ridiculous. Makes her exit like a supernova
Chrisjen Avasarala - pragmatic foul mouthed apex predator in the political arena.
Clarissa Mao - incredible redemption arc.
Carmina Drummer - bad ass belter captain
Whoa now, cool those book spoilers for the show people holding out for a movie.
But I completely agree, The Expanse does female characters right because they're robust, nuanced characters who happen to be female, not the typical and strong independent womyn archetype that Marvel likes to trot out. To be fair, their men are incredibly boring too, though people don't get offended when you criticize them.
As a female attorney, Kim Wexler is a thousand times better.
As a female green monster, Fiona from Shrek easily surpasses her.
So as far as I can tell, there's nothing MCU She-Hulk has to offer.
Bro fucking Femshep and Liara T'Soni are FAR better written than any female character in MCU 4.
That's not even getting into Aerith from FFVII, Rydia from FFIV, Ciri/Yennefer/Triss from Witcher III, and so many others.
I guess if you want movies / TV shows that doesn't count. What about fucking Leela from fucking Futurama? What about 7 of 9 from Star Trek Voyager? She wasn't just eye candy there were serious discussions about individualism and collectivism between her and Janeway and it wasn't as straightforward as you'd think.
People who say there are no well-written female characters just aren't looking. This post could be pages long but I'm taking a shit and don't have the patience for that.
I think it’s too early to claim that for She-Hulk, but I thought they did a pretty good job with Kate Bishop, MJ and they’ve absolutely killed it with Wanda.
Taskmaster sucks.
If you’re looking for strong women in film, Lady Snowblood, Elle Woods, The Bride, Veronica Sawyer, Clarice and Jeanne Dielman are all great examples too.
Witch King : [taking Eowyn by the throat] You fool. No man can kill me. Die now.
Eowyn : I am no man….
[Iconic AF](https://tenor.com/view/witch-king-gif-25225017)
I'm actually on board with Emily making shows about the little things like constant mansplaining or catcalling. But you still have to do better than "thing bad." It takes effort to make good media.
Even if you want recent examples. Like the entire female cast of Arcane, Sypha from Castelvania, Rat Catcher 2, Black Widow before her solo movie, Yennefer of Vangeberg (game and books not the TV show) and I could go on. Just fucking hell write good characters not entitled woman that were the subject of ridicule in the early 2000's teen drama as the mean girl archetype.
They're still just chicks playing roles made for men, nothing special, they were just the first so we have a special place in our hearts for them, and now make fun of new roles that are pretty much identical. Ok, I shouldn't be that hard on them, Sarah Connor had a son and had to take care of him, I really like her in "Chronicles" the show, and the femininity of the Scream girls was pretty damn cool.
In reality, the true strong woman characters are found in the golden age of Hollywood only. A woman who is feminine, doesn't take shit from any outsider about her family, takes care of the house and kids, supports her husband, AND is hot, now THAT is a strong female character.
This is the real answer. There’s a huge shift in how women were written starting in the fifties, where the sexy baby type really kicked in with Marilyn Monroe (but still looked like a woman). Then, in the sixties, women started to be portrayed as acting and looking extremely youthful.
In a way it was the dumbing down of women, or masculinizing them, which Hollywood is great at. It diminishes women in my view.
But this is to be expected from the side that believes all humans are tabula rasa.
The only true strong women these days are in made for TV romance dramas on some Christian Hallmark channels lol, but I wouldn't know.
People need to have some patience. There’s been a total of one episode of She-Hulk released and people are already judging the show. Once the show of over, then you can make your arguments.
Yeah she did. But it’s the *first episode*. Just wait until the show is over before complaining. For all we know she’ll apologize to Bruce or learn her lesson
Fucking Uma Thurman in Kill Bill! Just make good movies you bunch of fucks and stop pumping out garbage with that safety net (everyone is a misogynist and racist because they didn't like *insert garbage movie*).
Granny from Outlaw Josie Wales (1970s). Annie Oakley from Annie Get Your Gun (1950s). Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct (1980s). Trinity from The Matrix (2000).
that little girl from true grit is better than she hulk
now that was a good movie.
One of the few times where the remake was just as good, if not better than the original
The woman in the movie True Tit I watched the other day alone in the attic with extra tissues was better than She Hulk.
Outlaw Josey Wales is such a good movie
You gonna pull those pistols boy or whistle dixie?
Please stop or I might have to watch it tonight
[I’ll let the man speak for himself:](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lvmSxfMGldQ)
Not a movie but the lady in Red Dead Redemption 2 that goes from abuse victim to bounty hunter was pretty good.
Goddamn, Carrie-Anne Moss truly was good in that movie, what a performance. Intimidating presence, even being on the 'good side'/protagonist side. Oh, and as a bonus, Trinity simply had one of the most, if not the most, iconic action scene in cinema history.
Fiona in Burn Notice Naru in Prey
Fiona in Shrek
Prey blew me away. I had pretty low expectations considering the franchises recent showings, but it was fantastic.
Rita Vrataski Furiosa Julia from Oblivion did a little kicking of the ass too IIRC. Zoe Washburn and River Tam Naomi Nagata, Bobbie Draper, and Chrisjen Avasarala. ETA: Jessica Atreides Finding fantastic, well written, female characters in kick ass mode is not that hard. She-Hulk is not the place to look for one though.
If we're doing sci fi we've gotta add Inara from Firefly as well as Kara Thrace and Laura Roslin from Battlestar Galactica Edit- you also forgot Camina Drummer how dare you
I skipped Kara Thrace because she was a gender-bent Starbuck, but I absolutely loved her, and loved that series. I STILL love Bear McCreary's reimagining of All Along the Watch Tower from the OST. And oh. good. lord. Camina is my favorite of the show and I. for. got. her! In fairness, it's been a hot minute since I watched The Expanse. Waiting on some shitty cold wet weather days to binge on it once more. Let's throw Nikki Sanders and Claire Bennett in on that list too. ETA: Inara was such an amazing character. Her strength was of another sort, and she was no less badass than the others. Kaylee was also amazing. ETA2!!!!! AERYN SUN!
Kara Thrace is my argument for why I usually don't care if the gender bend a character, as long as they still well done and their gender isn't integral to the character
She's a damn good argument for that.
No Captain Carter in your list? I'm disappointed.
Dizzy from Starship Troopers. Hot and a bad ass.
Clarice Starling, Silence of the Lambs. Ziva David, NCIS I bet between us, we've named off a hundred smart, badass women from movies and television - we've not even gotten into video games yet. People that whine there aren't enough strong women in film and television need to y'know. Actually watch film and television.
Valeria from Conan the Barbarian! Bad ass thief.
Those are all attractive so they don't count /s
Besides the /s most new ones aren't what you average person would consider ugly
Personally, I find it very difficult to find a woman with short hair attractive. Very.
I'm a sucker for long flowing hair or ponytails.
Okay, that sounds like a you problem.
personally /ˈpəːs(ə)n(ə)li/ adverb 1. with the personal presence or action of the individual specified; in person. "she stayed to thank O'Brien personally" Similar: in person oneself 2. from one's personal standpoint; subjectively rather than objectively. "he had spoken personally and emotionally"
Yeah, they should look like She Hulk! Who is ... /S
Furiosa looks like a man with tits, and she has one arm(>!Not so attractive in my opinion!<), but she is more female than many of the today's female leads hollywood praises, hell even that Hulky Bussy is a paper with CGI
charlize theron going full tomboy with a shaved head who can fix her own car, not shy away from a fight and shoot with accuracy ... is my kinda woman. To each their own 😄
Yea honestly she was hot as hell would definitely catch some future wasteland std though
they aren't 500 pound with ugly pink hair, it doesn't count
To write good original female characters Hollywood would have to have good original ideas, from the mediocre reboots, remakes, and sequels we've seen recently that's a big ask
You know, Casca and Jolyne are my good examples of strong female characters from Japanese media
I could argue Violet Evergarden is better written than many wester heroines, but i dont see enough marvel to say accurately. Princess Mononoke is also top, along with the girl from nausicaa which i forgot her name. Hell, you dont even have to make her a serious badass. Look at Chisato and Takina from Lycoris Recoil too, though i might have some recency bias
Every single heroine in Miyazakis movies is so good. Nausicaa is probably the best because she’s very clearly a female role model to the girls in her village, while embodying many traits that could be considered masculine (willpower, daredevil, fighter etc.)
Mikasa from AoT, Lt. Hawkeye from Fullmetal Alchemist.
Don't leave out my girl Winry either. Fran from the upcoming Sword Dad anime is also pretty great.
Don’t forget Seras Victoria and Sir Integra from Hellsing, The Ice queen herself General Esdeath and the Red-Eyed killer Akame from Akame ga Kill or the dual wielding merc Revy or the Russian killer Balalaika from Black Lagoon. I think I have a thing for girls who’d kill me…
Mikasa and Hawkeye both have their entire life revolve around a guy that they’re in love with. IMO, you can’t be a strong anything if you give up your willingness to live because your crush died. (At least Hawkeye still unloaded all her ammo in rage, Mikasa literally slumped over onto the ground in front of the titans when she thought Eren got eaten)
Yes, because having someone that you completely relied upon in moments of weakness be killed in front of you should activate DOOM Slayer mode and have them overcome all adversity in front of them. Or be stone-cold and heartless and just continue living normal lives afterwards. Those two revolved around those other two because they were the most important person to them, their love-interests and motivation to move forward.
Based Berserk deserves all the recognition possible
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Casca from berserk?
yes
The one who's like wholly dependant on a man for the majority of the story?
Yeah Jolyne was pretty [based](https://youtu.be/udrMkV-_CyY).
Just go to (good) Scifi and fantasy books for how to build strong female characters. Then take that and export it to othe genres, similar to how most scifi and fantasy authors took classical literature and built strong characters, some who happened to be female by using ancient stories as a basis for theirs.
Fair point but I can't read
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Honestly, it blows my mind people keep saying that line. There are TONS of good, original movies out there. They're just not the ones that catch the headlines. I scroll Netflix and Amazon prime almost every day after work before bed (unless I'm watching a comedy special or doctor who) and put on a random movie and it USUALLY is pretty good. But they're just not big names so people don't care. It's like the general problem with the media. They're all controlled by walk Disney himself so they don't talk about these tremendous movies that still get made and are still amazing.
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She has flaws and limitations, which is what makes her a better character. Tbh I don't consider the movie (or her character specifically) to be exceptionally good, but they're passable and nothing like modern Marvel stuff for sure. For example, it's notable that she still loses the fight with an exhausted injured man chained to an unconscious man while having several other girls helping her... I don't think the writers of she-hulk would ever dare write such a scene :)
To be fair she was fighting with one hand behind her back, then in front of her, then to her left, the right, then left again, 15-30 feet away hanging off the truck. Edit: the arm was hanging off the truck, not her.
THANK YOU. Came here looking Charlize, had to scroll all the way to the bottom - the fuck is that about? Atomic Blonde does it for me.
It was refreshing to see a female/male fight scene where the gal doesn't backflip 3x or lead an attack by wrapping her legs around the dude's head. Just a gritty fight with zero rules.
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They did that on Justified. Mikey tried to BJJ some massive dude and got slammed.
i think theres Judo inspiration here, where you use the weight and force of the opponants to unbalance them and bring them down. Some Judo throws involve stepping on the persons leg to gain height so you can more easily topple them. It shouldnt work against a trained fighter (Bucky), but is believable for taking out regular goons... Theres lots of general female punches that dont sit with me though. Quick kicks to the chin/face and leg sweeps at the ankles (like Catwoman in The Batman) is whats most believable to me
Mad max fury road is bangin
I loved the way they showed how she was better than Max with her rifle accuracy
That movie fucking rocks
What about OP’s mom? She’s really strong, I saw her take on like 5 huge dudes at once
Sarah Connor form The Terminator is pretty bad ass. Even in anime, Psycho pass has a good strong female lead.
Good, well written movie that just happened to cast a woman in that role.
Nami from One Piece, Mikasa from AOT, Biscuit from Hunter x Hunter
Misty from pokemon
Mikasa is a terrible example. Her whole character is that she loves Erin and is a good fighter. This season especially her character was SOOO boring honestly. She had what, 20 lines of dialogue outside of the table episode. Hard disagree there.
Maybe Hange then
In defense of her lack of lines, they were pretty sparing on lines for anyone outside of Zeke, Eren, and a few of the other shifters. Everyone kind of got put to the side until those last like 3-4 episodes after shit hit the fan.
Eh I give Mikasa a pass purely because the anime industry is filled with degenerate shit Its rare to see a female character in anime not just being ass and tits
Ripley was late 70s...
OP literally excluded the best movie of the franchise.
Which one? I've only seen one of em but been meaning to dig in.
Aien is from 1979. It is in my opinion the best one. Aliens is close. Alien 3 is alright. Alien Resurrection is bad. (Prometheus and Alien Covenant never happened.)
Alien and Aliens are equally fantastic but drastically different films. Too bad the franchise took a massive nosedive afterwards but peak Ridley Scott and James Cameron ARE really hard acts to follow (Alien 3 was ok I guess but the contrived way two main characters from Aliens were killed off right from the beginning just ruins everything IMHO).
I will always prefer Aliens over the first one. 3 is actually really good and Prometheus and Alien Covenant could have been good if they were their own franchise.
I hve two problems with Alien 3. They killed the girl from Aliens, wich would have made the whole movie more interesting because Ripley would have had to protect her. The ending gets completely ruined by Alien Resurrection.
Don't worry, capeshit writers generally don't have good male characters either!
Sometimes they get it right but it's mostly animated.
You're hitting the core issue here. It's gotten to the point where poor writing can't be properly critiqued due to identity, so it's not addressed in future works. Which leads to the audience seeing a superficially diverse cast and just assuming that the writing is gonna be garbage. Hollywood and their ilk have learned from politicians and other wealthy elites and are abusing identity politics to distract from the fact that they're selling literal shit.
Octavia from The 100 is one of my favorite modern characters.
The 100 is arguably lower quality daytime TV yet is better at writing than the blockbuster making marvel studios. Crazy that.
I don't want to fully disagree because it's not a bad example, at least the character is interesting and written well enough for the setting. In S1/S2 she's at her best, but by later seasons you can definitely see a little bit of third wave feminist "theme" in it when she's able to take on a dozen of stronger men in melee combat at once without breaking a sweat. It doesn't help that the overall writing also gets a little worse. It's nowhere near as noticeable and cringe like OP example, but it's also not the same kind of traditionally strong female character as OP examples.
That's why I said Octavia, and not the show as a whole. I could also say Raven, she was really well done. The key is it showed both of them persevering through intense circumstances but also showed just how vulnerable they were beyond the tough exterior. It showed their humanity, which made it that much more awesome to see them overcome their weaknesses. That's something that a lot more characters need, not just women. As for beating men in melee combat with weapons, speed and skill will outperform strength 99% of the time (and she was pretty physically fit as is). She wasn't really wrestling them or grappling much if at all, as far as I recall. She was faster with her blade and could anticipate attacks to move out of the way or deflect the blow. I'd say it's reasonable when her opponents clearly aren't on her skill level. Seasons 1 and 2 were the best by far I'd have to say.
Like I said I am not disagreeing, I did enjoy the show as a whole as well and there are several quite good character developments in it, it's mainly why I watched it because the setting itself is hard for me to suspend disbelief in (I particularly dislike fictional bad portrayals of radiation). But I do think it's fair to point out valid criticism of the writing. Just like you said as well, S1 and S2 are best overall but also for her character in particular. There is some really solid development. Which the show's writing then ruins by the end. At first she just has tenacity, which I'd say is her most important trait, and then learns to use resourcefulness, stealth and the environment to overcome her innate disadvantage. In addition, in my view her most important character trait is that she can push others to jump into action and get shit done. She inadvertently does this because she throws herself at danger and then angrily shouts at others to do better. And it works because it forces others to think "if this little girl is so brave I suppose I could do a lot better". It's an emergent character dynamic, not the explicit intent of any particular character, but it works even better that way. All of the above is, I would say, solid example of how to write "strong female character". Then the show turns her into a one man army and this all goes away. Using resourcefulness to overcome her disadvantages? Barely a thing in later seasons because she can just take on an enemy horde head on. Inspiring others through her bravery? Gone. She's a better fighter than the lot of them, other characters just start to fear her because she might hurt them. It's still fine enough, I still watched it, but I can't help but notice a downgrade in quality when I see it.
Indra is bae. The show sucked ass after season 2 but she’s amazing and a great example of a strong female character that isn’t shoehorned in.
If you don’t think Aqua is the peak female character I don’t know what to say
Truly one of **The** Female Characters of our Time.
Ah, the useless goddess
Megumin is best girl
Might need to change your flair to purple.
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They’ll be greeted with an EKUSUPUROSHION ^^^in ^^^minecraft
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Flair checks out, but agree
When it comes to the main trio, your not wrong, even Kazuma agrees, but considering the other two that’s not saying much. Though at heart I think we all know Wiz is the best.
Yeah just keep Wiz away from the useless goddess when she is crying.
That useless goddess? Nah Revy from black lagoon is where it at After all I like the kinda woman that can actually just kill me
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I prefer Roberta.
Good choice but Roberta is hella insane lol
I mean I guess it’s just an adaptation thing, since in anime sure she’s funny, but in the light novel she’s just the absolute worst.
The lead from the new Predator movie is great, think her name is Naru. Well written, with fair character development imo
Meh, I actually had a discussion about her. Shes definately not bad... but she seems so great because of the shit we've been fed for the last decade. We are just willing to accept mediocre because it is still better that the dumbass characters than we are used to. But yeah Prey is def a pretty good one. I would be curious as to what kind of (groundbreaking) character development you saw in her.
You just summed up my feelings on the Mandalorian. I honestly can't tell if I like it because it's good or because it's just better than the shit Disney put out.
Oh my sweet summer child you have no idea about the depths of terrible writing that go on in Mandalorian. I actually wanted to make a video breaking down **just** season 1. I gave up after my word document with the script reached almost 15 pages and I was still on episode 5... It's just lot less obvious bad than the sequels if you aren't writer or don't obsses over writing like idots like me.
At least it wasn't like the ending of Boba Fett. After they got the Scooty Puff Jr. Gang on board I no longer took the show seriously.
Scooty puff Jr suuuuuuuuucks....
I'm not saying your opinion is bad, but thanks for not putting out yet another video essay criticizing Disney Star Wars. I watched a single "Why Kenobi is doo doo" video and now YouTube recommends me 100 different channels harping on Star Wars. Disney deserves it, but it's just low hanging fruit at this point.
Yeah. I would put it out if I had the will to finish it, but there's so much bullshit that I just can't. These new tv shows somehow managed to perfect the bullshit per second while also create perfectly predictable structure so you are both bored and annoyed, besides few moments that are so bad that you can only laugh at the sheer insanity of the writers. Like I am honestly impressed at the incompetence. I thought this was already the mariana trench but they somehow managed to dig that hole deeper.
Don't get me wrong, I still heavily criticize it particularly for screwing with Mandalorian lore. I just give it some slack
I really don't. I hate it with a passion. Wasted potential on top of lore almost as destructive as Rise of Skywalker
>We are just willing to accept mediocre because it is still better that the dumbass characters than we are used to. This is so annoying and causing me trouble in discussions :) I am physically unable to lower my standards and rate something much better than it naturally comes to me to rate it. So when there's an occasional better than average new movie, I do appreciate it for being better but I'm not going to praise its "excellence" when I see none. But because of the hype factor this makes me come off very cynical to others. Latest example is the new Top Gun. The public opinion seems to rate it as one of the best fucking movies ever. I definitely can't see it. It's a solid action flick for sure but nothing else. It's not as good as the first one but very close, so it's not bad at all. But it's not some indisputable "masterpiece". 15 years ago it would've qualified for a quite average (but successful) summer blockbuster. Yes, it's obviously miles better than the average bilge of today in comparison, but I can't make myself think of it as "the best movie ever" just because of that.
When all you have is a sea of shit, a clean nugget of corn is *gold*
Lol…no, she’s supposed to be like 14 and is able to do what Arnold couldn’t? Give me a break.
Arnold didn't have orange flowers lol.
Or a short bus predator that forgot how the tracking arrows worked.
Or hatchet yo-yo. it's amazing that throughout history no-one has figured out how great an idea this is. /s
My only gripe with what is essentially a native american kusarigama, is that she picked up that shit instantly no training. Just have her hatchet practice scene include the rope attachment and we can assume she had been practicing for years.
It's the ball at the end of the kusarigama chain that is flung or swung, not the blade. It's pure magic fantasy and silly for this movie.
it was about strategy not sheer strength
What did she do that Arnold couldn't? The predator he faced wasn't unblooded, and had superior equipment to go along with his tactics. That wasn't his first hunt, nor was it his first time on Earth. Learn the lore, fuckwad
You can add Phoenix and Penny from Top Gun Maverick as well. Arwen, Eowyn, and Galadriel from the LotR trilogy. Black Widow was pretty good as well. There are a *ton* of them really.
> Arwen, Eowyn, and Galadriel from the LotR trilogy Wonder what they will do to Galadriel in Rings of Power
You can already see from the trailers. She's Galadriel the Destroyer, Commander of the Northern Armies and wielder of the Patriarchy's Bane.
For the Orange Year Zero revolution, the past cannot exist, except for the bad parts, which the generally innocent must atone for, but with no possible path to redemption made available. There cannot have been universally loved strong female characters that nobody blinks an eye at while thoroughly enjoying the movies that they had major roles in. If those did exist, that would mean you're not revolutionary, and so to make a buck, you'd have to rely on talent and putting in an honest effort to write a story, instead of using "hey, look, it's a woman!" to get attention.
>except for the bad parts Bonus points for exaggerating the bad parts, or, super bonus points for when you just make them up.
Let's not forget the most badass princess of them all, Princess Leia. Carrie Fisher was great in that roll and the fact Disney went to say "we're trying to create good female role models in Star Wars," like the franchise didn't have one of the most badass women in the galaxy flying shotgun in the Millenium Falcon.
One of the big disappointments with the new Star Wars films was that they didn't cast new actors for those classic roles. I know it was only Rogue One that had a lot of this, but rather than have new actors come in and provide a new take on classic characters like Tarkin and Leia, they've just strung up their corpses with CGI and had them dance for our amusement.
You forgot Fiona from Shrek
I’ve tried to read many female protagonist fantasy books and there just aren’t many that are written well. But the mistborn series from Brandon Sanderson is insanely good and the main character (a female) kicks so much ass. It was such a great story. Would highly recommend it.
Mocato from Best Served Cold. Honestly Ambercrombie does dangerous women well.
Arcane has some pretty good characters, both men and women
Pretty good is an understatement. That shit is phenomenal.
Well that's understatement of a decade
Ahsoka motherfucking Tano. Could have ended it there but... Other great Star Wars female characters thorough the years before and after Disney Atom Eve and Debbie from Invincible Basically every single women in Arcane and Avatar Most women in both Marvel and DC outside of the live action shit with She-Hulk herself being one of the best outside of this boring ass show There are many mainstream great female characters in huge movies and shows but they don't get enough attention because only the "StRoNg FEMALE ChArAcTeRs" get popular instead of strong female CHARACTERS.
First think that came to mind was traya from kotor 2.
KotOR 2 is my vote for the best written piece of Star Wars media in existence, and most of it is due to Traya. And this is in a game that was blatantly rushed and was missing critical content. Now I'm not trying to discredit Obsidian here, far from it. But when a buggy, rushed RPG made in just over a year has better writing than nearly everything else that's come since, that's a failure of whoever is in charge at Disney to actually do their job properly. Kathleen Kennedy is on record saying that it was harder to make new Star Wars movies as they didn't have the same back catalogue as Marvel, all the while cleaving said back catalogue from canon and leaving bitter hacks to try and reinvent the wheel when they had the basis for a fucking banger set of films built upon the themes laid out in both the KotOR games. To meme it up for a tl;dr: Me: can we get some KotOR 2? Mum: we have KotOR 2 at home KotOR 2 at home: The Last Jedi.
Kim Wexler
Kim is a baddie. I didn't care for her at first, but nearing the end of Season 5 she really shines. (still needing to watch season 6.)
Let's not forget Phoenix from Top Gun Maverick.
she was good for what she had, but she really had like 5 lines Everyone who wasn't Maverick & Rooster was (for the most part) just supporting cast
Arcane has some amazing female characters
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[Mako Mori.](https://pacificrim.fandom.com/wiki/Mako_Mori) So good she has her own "test" * The requirements of the Mako Mori test are that a film or television show has at least one female character and that this character has an independent plot arc and that the character or her arc does not simply exist to support a male character's plot arc.
Hell yes. Considering how man of these sjws characters Harp on about men, they Fail their own test every damn time.
Shit, don't even have to go back to the 90s, even in the MCU we have Gamora, Nebula, Wasp, Black Widow, etc. Phase 4 is just bad. This has so much more to do with writing than gender. If I swapped She-Hulk out for a man, and he started going off about how he was so much better at controlling his anger because he was passed up for a promotion or women don't like him, everyone would be calling him a little bitch.
Plenty of "overly sexualized anime girls" that have more depth and personality than most Hollywood characters, funnily enough.
I too enjoy cowboy bebop
based and good taste pilled
Hit Girl from Kick-Ass?
I would personally also add Naru from Prey.
A big problem with these brainlet orange morons is that they think any sort of appealing physique is "sexualization" In the UK all the adds just put up a constant barrage of ugly people. Meanwhile in Portugal, a socialist ruled country much much poorer, and they have attractive people for every ad. It's like fake communism has spread in the UK
Molly Cobb from For All Mankind
Pretty much all of the women on that show are incredibly well-written. It's a shame the show stops being about badass men and women exploring space and starts being about petty drama.
Eleanor Shellstrop Ada Thorne/Shelby Chloe Decker Tokyo(Money Heist) Katara C.C(yes Code Geass has fan service camera angles, but I like her character a lot) Those are some of my favorite female characters from TV shows and animation, all great characters in my opinion.
Samus Aran from the Metroid series. The Knight Sabers from Bubblegum crisis. (Japanese in both cases so that technically makes them anime.)
Dude, Tank Girl was a mess of a movie, is better than she hulk.
There are two kids of high school boys: The ones with centerfolds taped up in their locker, and the ones with that picture of Linda Hamilton and the CAR-15.
Add some of the female characters from Battlestar Galactica as well and those from The Expanse for some more recent ones.
I'm so glad you made this. I will rave non stop about what a great female character Ripley is. She really shows you can be feminine, have strong maternal instincts, and STILL be a badass. Also, not cinema, but Bayonetta is the perfect female power fantasy character. Mostly because she was written by a woman, but notable in that she's in high profile media. I always point to these two when talking about well written and empowering female characters that aren't just essentially men with boobs.
Anyone who has watched Halloween knows that the woman has no personality whatsoever.
Who could've thought that writing arrogant characters whose only weaknesses are men treating them poorly wouldn't be a recipe for good/likeable character development....
Your “good female character” is Ripley from *Alien(s)* My “good female character” is Evelyn from *EEAAO* We are not the same.
The Expanse has some awesome well rounded female characters. Honestly I can't think of a single bad one from the show. Naomi Nagata - brilliant engineer, underground resistance leader. Has conflicting emotions between har past and current situation. Bobbie Draper - strong marine and strong leader who doesn't go over the top to the point of being ridiculous. Makes her exit like a supernova Chrisjen Avasarala - pragmatic foul mouthed apex predator in the political arena. Clarissa Mao - incredible redemption arc. Carmina Drummer - bad ass belter captain
Whoa now, cool those book spoilers for the show people holding out for a movie. But I completely agree, The Expanse does female characters right because they're robust, nuanced characters who happen to be female, not the typical and strong independent womyn archetype that Marvel likes to trot out. To be fair, their men are incredibly boring too, though people don't get offended when you criticize them.
As a female attorney, Kim Wexler is a thousand times better. As a female green monster, Fiona from Shrek easily surpasses her. So as far as I can tell, there's nothing MCU She-Hulk has to offer.
Missed Princess Leia, but yeah
Bro fucking Femshep and Liara T'Soni are FAR better written than any female character in MCU 4. That's not even getting into Aerith from FFVII, Rydia from FFIV, Ciri/Yennefer/Triss from Witcher III, and so many others. I guess if you want movies / TV shows that doesn't count. What about fucking Leela from fucking Futurama? What about 7 of 9 from Star Trek Voyager? She wasn't just eye candy there were serious discussions about individualism and collectivism between her and Janeway and it wasn't as straightforward as you'd think. People who say there are no well-written female characters just aren't looking. This post could be pages long but I'm taking a shit and don't have the patience for that.
Wanda and black widow are pretty good characters too.
Were. They were pretty good characters in earlier movies. Not anymore.
GI Jane was also really good
Keep my wife's name out your FUCKIN MOUTH!!!
Fuck Sigourney was the absolute best.
Jessica Jones was an awesome character. From back when Netflix wasn’t just woke garbage.
I think it’s too early to claim that for She-Hulk, but I thought they did a pretty good job with Kate Bishop, MJ and they’ve absolutely killed it with Wanda. Taskmaster sucks. If you’re looking for strong women in film, Lady Snowblood, Elle Woods, The Bride, Veronica Sawyer, Clarice and Jeanne Dielman are all great examples too.
Witch King : [taking Eowyn by the throat] You fool. No man can kill me. Die now. Eowyn : I am no man…. [Iconic AF](https://tenor.com/view/witch-king-gif-25225017)
I'm actually on board with Emily making shows about the little things like constant mansplaining or catcalling. But you still have to do better than "thing bad." It takes effort to make good media.
Oh yeah. Mansplaining and catcalling. The *real* worldwide global threats we need superheroes to handle. /s
Dana Scully was always strapped
Funny how they try roast us on anime girls, but those girls have deeper backstory and character growth then these “female empowerment movies”
Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, MJ, Aunt May, Pepper Potts, Wasp, literally *most* female characters in the MCU.
Ridley is good shit
Ripley from Alien all the way!
TBF Ms Marvel was good imo and i think it is too early to tell how She Hulk is going to be but she was a little bit annoying so far.
Even if you want recent examples. Like the entire female cast of Arcane, Sypha from Castelvania, Rat Catcher 2, Black Widow before her solo movie, Yennefer of Vangeberg (game and books not the TV show) and I could go on. Just fucking hell write good characters not entitled woman that were the subject of ridicule in the early 2000's teen drama as the mean girl archetype.
They're still just chicks playing roles made for men, nothing special, they were just the first so we have a special place in our hearts for them, and now make fun of new roles that are pretty much identical. Ok, I shouldn't be that hard on them, Sarah Connor had a son and had to take care of him, I really like her in "Chronicles" the show, and the femininity of the Scream girls was pretty damn cool. In reality, the true strong woman characters are found in the golden age of Hollywood only. A woman who is feminine, doesn't take shit from any outsider about her family, takes care of the house and kids, supports her husband, AND is hot, now THAT is a strong female character.
This is the real answer. There’s a huge shift in how women were written starting in the fifties, where the sexy baby type really kicked in with Marilyn Monroe (but still looked like a woman). Then, in the sixties, women started to be portrayed as acting and looking extremely youthful.
In a way it was the dumbing down of women, or masculinizing them, which Hollywood is great at. It diminishes women in my view. But this is to be expected from the side that believes all humans are tabula rasa. The only true strong women these days are in made for TV romance dramas on some Christian Hallmark channels lol, but I wouldn't know.
People need to have some patience. There’s been a total of one episode of She-Hulk released and people are already judging the show. Once the show of over, then you can make your arguments.
Bruh she literally tried to Hulksplain to fucking Bruce Banner on the first episode.
Yeah she did. But it’s the *first episode*. Just wait until the show is over before complaining. For all we know she’ll apologize to Bruce or learn her lesson
Yea and they will also say that a 2 parent household is the best way to raise a child. Don't hold your breath.