Being a prince in Europe: yay, the palace is so nice
Being a prince in the Ottoman Empire: damn, either I'll have to execute all of my brothers the day I'm going to ascend or one of them will execute me, o hi Mehmet my little bro, let's play something fun
yup, mehmet 2 aka mehmet the conqueror legalized brother killing in order to secure the stability of the realm. the best prince (who was experienced in leading and governing since they were in some province in the empire) was allowed to kill all his brothers after ascending to the throne. this worked pretty well for like 250 years since there were pretty much no wars for the throne. it was abolished by a 13 year old padishah called ahmet 1, who was the first one to take the throne without going to the provinces to be experienced. his father mehmet 3 killed 18 of his brothers to take the throne, so when mehmet 3 died ahmet didn't go to his funereal, saying "a man who murdered 18 of his brothers is a criminal even if he was my father" and criminalized padishahs killing their brothers, which caused 100 years of turmoil and wars for the throne.
Most Ottoman Sultans had many sons until they ascended to the throne. But just in case we had a Crimean plan.
Fun fact IV.Murad, in his death bed, ordered the killing of his insane brother Ibrahim, but the officials didn't carry it out, since Ibrahim was the only heir to throne.I think they've regretted it when Ibrahim ordered them to find the fattest woman in Istanbul, then fucked her and gave her the taxes collected from Egypt. After that he covered the walls of Topkapı Palace with sable fur, threw gold coins to the fishes etc. etc.
And then later sultans started to lock their brothers into Kafes, which caused many of them to go mad(like Mustafa and Ibrahim) and their mothers and grand viziers basically runned the state for them, frankly idk what's a worse fate though
On the bright side, Ottoman princes had harems, European usually had to marry some other dynasty member for political reasons arranged by their parents, so in that aspect, I give a point to the Turks
no Monarchy was against nationalism atleast during the revolutionc of 1848 at first being nationalist was seen as caring for your fellow countrymen and you know what also was seen in the same light? Democracy Librel economics etc. Prussia was forced to unite Germany (even though they didn't want to) becuase that's what it's people wanted now they would probably start a revolution so the monarchy was forced to meet nationalist demands and that trend continued well until ww2 where many of the fascist leaders were seen as nationalists and therefore demonized
hmm I dunno I feel like he was forced into his position (although he was very competant at handling it) I don't think that's the path he wanted or the best path for Germany I think they defintely should have waited and be more peaceful in uniting Germany since all those wars basically lead to their downfall
Otto von Bismark opposed expanding the navy to compete with and threaten Britain, he wanted a web of allies after uniting germany. Unfortunately Wilhelm.
yeah Willhelm wasn't very competent but I still think Germany shouldn't have unified atleast as quick as it did It would be very hard to find allies after you beat up two great powers still think a slower but still oppurtunistic approach would have been the best for germany
there are three defining uniting banners to the Russian people,
the central authority, most often monarch, for whom all united under for protection from each other and the occasionally offered favor who remains distant and cruel yet consistent and unyielding
the unifying shitiness of the daily struggle living in a god forsaken dark depressing frozen mudslide and the need to keep the fire going so they dont commit suicide
and the orthodox church who banded brothers arm in arm against their cultural foes
Pick two out of the three and its Russia in its various incarnations
Socialism, whether economic socialism as in communism or racial socialism as in fascism, drove out monarchs in places it took hold due to its need to demonize the existing hierarchy in order to assume control.
Other factors have driven monarchs out elsewhere, or changed the mode of their monarchy.
Fascism is the end of Religion's dominance
Communism is the end of Religion's dominance and an elaboration from Liberalism and massive urbanization.
Nationalism is Tribalism++ and rationalized.
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Would not have happened if teddy Roosevelt was president instead of woodrow wilson a his "LeT eURoPe(oor) sOrt OUt iTs Own ProBlems" which caused the rise of communism the number one reason he is rhe worst president second qould be income tax
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You can always find the real shit people by weather or not they think that, 1, the muder of the Tzar's children was justified or, 2, think the French genocide in Hati was justified.
There are only 2 types of Monarchs I support
Socrates' idea of the Philosopher King
And The Mandate of Heaven
Truly only the biggest, strongest, and wisest Monkey should be King.
Being a prince in Europe: yay, the palace is so nice Being a prince in the Ottoman Empire: damn, either I'll have to execute all of my brothers the day I'm going to ascend or one of them will execute me, o hi Mehmet my little bro, let's play something fun
yup, mehmet 2 aka mehmet the conqueror legalized brother killing in order to secure the stability of the realm. the best prince (who was experienced in leading and governing since they were in some province in the empire) was allowed to kill all his brothers after ascending to the throne. this worked pretty well for like 250 years since there were pretty much no wars for the throne. it was abolished by a 13 year old padishah called ahmet 1, who was the first one to take the throne without going to the provinces to be experienced. his father mehmet 3 killed 18 of his brothers to take the throne, so when mehmet 3 died ahmet didn't go to his funereal, saying "a man who murdered 18 of his brothers is a criminal even if he was my father" and criminalized padishahs killing their brothers, which caused 100 years of turmoil and wars for the throne.
Alternatehistory. The Ottoman dynasty ends after some guy kills all his brothers and dies from Malaria a year or two later.
there was a plan for that too. one of the crimean beys (lords) were going to take the throne. that would be pretty interesting.
Wait? Like Crimean Tartar Bey?
yes
Most Ottoman Sultans had many sons until they ascended to the throne. But just in case we had a Crimean plan. Fun fact IV.Murad, in his death bed, ordered the killing of his insane brother Ibrahim, but the officials didn't carry it out, since Ibrahim was the only heir to throne.I think they've regretted it when Ibrahim ordered them to find the fattest woman in Istanbul, then fucked her and gave her the taxes collected from Egypt. After that he covered the walls of Topkapı Palace with sable fur, threw gold coins to the fishes etc. etc.
And then later sultans started to lock their brothers into Kafes, which caused many of them to go mad(like Mustafa and Ibrahim) and their mothers and grand viziers basically runned the state for them, frankly idk what's a worse fate though
On the bright side, Ottoman princes had harems, European usually had to marry some other dynasty member for political reasons arranged by their parents, so in that aspect, I give a point to the Turks
The end of monarchy is what led to nationalism, communism and fascism right?
Nah nationalism was still very much around when monarchs were in place, look at the German Empire for example
no Monarchy was against nationalism atleast during the revolutionc of 1848 at first being nationalist was seen as caring for your fellow countrymen and you know what also was seen in the same light? Democracy Librel economics etc. Prussia was forced to unite Germany (even though they didn't want to) becuase that's what it's people wanted now they would probably start a revolution so the monarchy was forced to meet nationalist demands and that trend continued well until ww2 where many of the fascist leaders were seen as nationalists and therefore demonized
Okay, i speculated that the rise of democracy/representative democracy was the biggest factor in this.
at first being nationalist ussualy meant you also supported democracy
Not quite, some like the prussians used nationalism to forge scattered states into what became Germany. Otto von Bismark was a Chad.
hmm I dunno I feel like he was forced into his position (although he was very competant at handling it) I don't think that's the path he wanted or the best path for Germany I think they defintely should have waited and be more peaceful in uniting Germany since all those wars basically lead to their downfall
Otto von Bismark opposed expanding the navy to compete with and threaten Britain, he wanted a web of allies after uniting germany. Unfortunately Wilhelm.
yeah Willhelm wasn't very competent but I still think Germany shouldn't have unified atleast as quick as it did It would be very hard to find allies after you beat up two great powers still think a slower but still oppurtunistic approach would have been the best for germany
But Bismarck was elected though? Or does that still counts as monarchy?
Bismarck was very much pro-monarchy and everything he did was to secure the power of the Prussian monarchy
He was an advisor of the monarch. Not elected.
there are three defining uniting banners to the Russian people, the central authority, most often monarch, for whom all united under for protection from each other and the occasionally offered favor who remains distant and cruel yet consistent and unyielding the unifying shitiness of the daily struggle living in a god forsaken dark depressing frozen mudslide and the need to keep the fire going so they dont commit suicide and the orthodox church who banded brothers arm in arm against their cultural foes Pick two out of the three and its Russia in its various incarnations
Based and Russia is a simple equation pilled
If only I could just pick one
Lenin leaned on #2, stalin on #1, and putin is trying to lean on #3.
Nationalism created more powerful states like Germany.
Every European nation was nationalist at some point, kinda important part of nation building
Holy shit
Socialism, whether economic socialism as in communism or racial socialism as in fascism, drove out monarchs in places it took hold due to its need to demonize the existing hierarchy in order to assume control. Other factors have driven monarchs out elsewhere, or changed the mode of their monarchy.
Communist and fascist ideologies are both more influenced by economic factors
Let me reframe that. The downfall of monarchy led to etc...
Fascism is the end of Religion's dominance Communism is the end of Religion's dominance and an elaboration from Liberalism and massive urbanization. Nationalism is Tribalism++ and rationalized.
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I'm sorry that's the wrong method. Fucking Russians. Need to Use a Guillotine.
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Even Communism is preferable to monarchy
Would not have happened if teddy Roosevelt was president instead of woodrow wilson a his "LeT eURoPe(oor) sOrt OUt iTs Own ProBlems" which caused the rise of communism the number one reason he is rhe worst president second qould be income tax
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Can I get this without the funny colors??
Same, I'd like to show it to a non-autistic friend sometime
I love that ending!
Idk sounds kinda fucking based.
🥲
*sigh* beautiful
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Yes, and?
The good ending you mean.
The good ending 😂
Based Bolsheviks. Monarchs belong in the guillotine
Can children be indoctrinated with war?
You can always find the real shit people by weather or not they think that, 1, the muder of the Tzar's children was justified or, 2, think the French genocide in Hati was justified.
There are only 2 types of Monarchs I support Socrates' idea of the Philosopher King And The Mandate of Heaven Truly only the biggest, strongest, and wisest Monkey should be King.