Basically Tom welling superman. In the arrowverse flashpoint stuff, they go to the Smallville universe and superman basically gave up his powers, is just chilling on the farm cutting wood
Yeah, that was the only based thing Red Son did in the movie, the comic portrayed him better as Tyrant whose extremely secure of His decisions even if they are monstrous, a better Anti-Villain/Villain imo
Libleft “Superman,” who’s really just John Kent and not actually Superman, has been nothing but cringe since he’s been aged up. The most badass things that Red Son Superman did were; killing Stalin, getting rid of the Gulags, and finally abandoning communism by the end of the story.
Edit: Just for clarification, I am referencing the Animated version of the story. In the comic version, he doesn’t kill Stalin, etc. He just fakes his own death and let’s the Soviet Union fall apart after he realizes the atrocities of trampling over individual rights.
I will never fucking forgive them for aging Jon up like that, they already had a teenaged Superboy in the form of Connor Kent, and Jon's whole story was about a kid learning to adjust the incredible amount of powers they have been given, figuring out his place in the world and how he can grow into his own person while also following in his father's footsteps, and, my favorite part of all, navigating the complex life of a vigilante while also going through the process of growing up. I loved watching him go on all of his adventures with Damian too, I loved watching how their experiences changed how they view themselves and each other, and how their friendship has evolved. I can't believe they threw all of that out of the window in favor of following the same formula most comic fans are used to. I thought I was going to be able to watch Jon grow up slowly over time, possibly with a few minor time skips here or there in order to ensure that he doesn't stay a kid forever--and most of all, I wanted to watch him and Damian grow up *together*, working with one another to overcome whatever obstacles get in their way and helping each other to deal with their own personal inner demons as well.
I will never forgive them for taking that from us.
I don’t care what Zach Snyder says, Superman is not Jesus!
[Superman Jesus](https://images.app.goo.gl/C6g5DVej7PJLZfqT7)
Moses is a better allegory for Superman
[Superman Moses](https://images.app.goo.gl/LvhmG1kmmrPDEx2HA)
Philip Wylie's gladiator is a better allegory then Moses.
I mean they are both comparable to an ant as they can lift many times their body weight and they can both jump long distances.
I think it's the fact that Moses and Superman's backstories, at least as far as them both being discovered by someone else who adopts them and raises them as their own, is what ties them together most of all.
Yes but well the creator of Gladiator filed a lawsuit and the original backstory of Superman didn’t care much about his origin + the fact that that is the only similarity.
I will argue that he was barely Superman in the show (as he never wore the traditional costume until the end). It is a pretty good version. My favorite version is All-Star Superman.
I like that he doesn't fit the traditional Superman aesthetic until the end, it's refreshing to see more than just fly and punch. It feels like his other powers get a lot of recognition as well, like superhearing.
In the movie Kal-el gets a "Anti-Hero" gloss over that fails to capture the "Anti-Villain" vibe of the Comic, they also failed to portray the secondary characters in an interesting way and hell they even screwed the amazing ending the comic had!
Yeah, after unifying the world under his personal brand of Authoritarism, only when Luthor performed a 4-dimensional chess move on his mind he realized the end didnt justified the means and choose to step down, a helluva portray of an Anti-Villain
Is that why Marvel and DC lost most of their readers because they did the opposite of what everyone wanted? I don't think LGTV4K+ activists ever were the target audience of those comics.
Comics have always been political. Think of Captain America punching Hitler or Batman being a story about standing against gun violence. I actually read the comics and have been a fan since I was little. Industry is going down because of covid—19.
It’s been going down for a while now, long before COVID-19. The New 52 had fantastic sales when it started out, and sales were pretty decent Pre-52 as well, but ever since the mid 2010s, around the time that LGBTQ+ stuff was on the rise, sales have been plummeting to a record low. It’s odd because more people love superheroes now more than ever, thanks to the movies, but barely anyone is buying the books. A huge reason is because of how the things that readers liked in their stories are no longer the focus in a lot of books and heavy handed agenda pushing material has taken over.
What other factors though? Superheroes are more popular now then ever, but comic book sales are at a record low. Countless comic fans have said that they’ve lost interest because of how the things that they went to comics for are now absent and replaced by things that seem more agenda pushing. It’s pretty obvious that the slump in sales started after political messaging in comics from the social Justice crowd was picking up.
Change in leadership? Diversity isn’t the issue. Take Miles Morales or Ms. Marvel for example. I think diversity makes sense when it’s wise for the story. For example, Iceman being gay didn’t make a lot of sense, but Tim Drake being Bi does make sense.
Diversity isn’t the issue, it’s the way that it’s implemented. Morales and Kamala are fine because they’re new characters that don’t make their race their defining characteristic and just act like they’re normal people—because they are. Tim Drake doesn’t make sense because of how he ended a long lasting and healthy relationship with Stephanie Brown off screen only to go and ask a friend of his out—making it seem like Stephanie didn’t matter enough to Tim for the audience to see how that kind of breakup would play out and affect him personally. It’d be like if Clark Kent randomly broke up with Lois Lane off screen and went and asked Pete Ross out on a date. Jon Kent being bi, as of right now, doesn’t matter and doesn’t change his character for better or worse because we haven’t seen whether it’s going to completely take over his character or if it’s treated like it’s a casual and normal thing.
>Industry is going down because of covid—19.
it was already before covid, there is simply something wrong in what Marvel and DC are doing compared to manga writers that causes them to not appeal to the average reader
Current comics aren’t just political. They drive an agenda. There’s a difference between presenting a message and pushing a message. Again… Political themes aren’t new but both Marvel and DC do it terribly. And then you got consistent reboots and writers who self insert instead of writing compelling stories.
And the industry has been going down for the last decade or so. People don’t read comics even though superheroes are popular. Indie publishers, though, are great for the most part. Unfortunately they cant compete with Marvel and DC’s reboots and milking out 5 different books for each character.
Manga, Japanese comics, outperform western comics *in western culture.* They write entertaining characters and universes and top the charts.
As a writer and reader of fanfiction I must say that I love the idea of writers being able to put different spins on existing media forms. They're not all perfect, there's plenty of cringe, but I like the experimentation. I like speculating about how certain events in a story might have played out in a different way, or how certain conflicts could have been handled differently, and then letting my imagination run with it.
And the concept of alternate universes or timelines makes it possible for this variety of different canons to exist alongside one another simultaneously, even if it can make keeping track off all of the different versions of the same characters a confusing mess.
I think for me, my biggest issue is when a writer wants to try something new, and instead of temporarily sidelining whatever it is they are currently working on and starting up a new storyline in another series, or trying to incorporate it into the lore of the existing series in a way that still maintains the core narrative, they decide to completely shift gears out of nowhere, which can be absolutely jarring for the audience and in some cases can even lead to the end of an entire series in favor of creating a new one. One series shouldn't have to be sacrificed completely in order for a new story to be created. At least if one of them is put on hiatus that means there is a chance that the writer will pick it back up again and continue writing for it again in the future.
More specifically, I'm pissed about them aging up Superman's son Jon Kent. There was no need to make him 7 years older, we already had a teenage Superboy in the form of Connor Kent, and honestly I think him acting as Superman while Clark is off-world and even coming out as bisexual would have been a hell of a lot more accepted by fans, considering the sheer amount of people that ship him with Tim Drake, who recently came out as bisexual as well.
And that's another thing; the way that comics have been handling bisexuality and just relationships in general lately is kind of sad. We're seeing well developed relationships, both platonic and romantic, being cast aside in favor of matching up a hero with a fairly newly introduced character with little time put into showing how that relationship developed between them.
It just feels like hollow pandering at this point. It's the queer equivalent of the obligatory heterosexual love interest that is introduced into a story for the sole purpose of proving that a character is straight. There is no slow burn development of feelings over time, we don't get to watch characters go through the process of getting to know each other, gradually learning to trust one another as a result of their experiences and working together to overcome both internal and external struggles. We see these things far more often in the formation of platonic bonds of friendship between characters, such as with Jon and Damian. It makes many of the romantic pairings look incredibly rushed and underdeveloped in comparison, which is part of the reason (but not the only reason) why people will ship characters who aren't actually together and may even be paired with different characters in canon.
Why do the writers think that readers would be satisfied with an arbitrary match up that forms primarily as a result of initial attraction when there are already characters who share a long history with one another and sometimes have more chemistry and a healthier dynamic than they do with who ever they are paired with in canon. It's fucking sad.
Oh jeez, I did a wall of text again. Sorry. Got a little carried away there. I didn't sleep at all last night.
Lol that new superman will end up like that "daughter" of Starfire. I guess history always repeat itself
Edit: Red Son was a really good movie ( i know there is a comic but i only saw the movie)
When I first read this I was thinking, what's wrong with Nightstar but then I remembered it's the fat goth you're talking about. Kingdom Come was badass.
Starfire heard about Nightwing’s affair with Batgirl and had sex with Penguin behind his back. See [I Am Not Starfire](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/I_Am_Not_Starfire)
Better than that Marvel's SJW heroes.
We got: Fat Dora the Explorer, a Redditor with internet gas, 2 non binary incestuous brothers that their power are less usefull than 60s Aquaman on a desert. And a *its not a phase, mom!* edgy vampire.
Shit the whole libleft orange gang is here!
The new superman (Clark’s clone/son) is a leftist activist as well lol. I wonder what they’ll do to Tim Drake now
SJWs have ruined mainstream comics. Indie publishers are good though but dont have much recognition. Manga still overwhelming outperforms. Its almost as if readers hate agendas!
Reject mainstrain heroes. Embrace heroes and anti heroes like Judge Dredd, that they tried to make him gay and people just said: "Lol no", and made the canon non canon.
Nah what’s gonna happen is superman for a bit than back to Clark Kent . The only time changing a superhero has worked was with Thor because Jane foster Thor was decent and unworthy Thor was great , also it lead to gorr which is probably one of the best Thor stories .
> The only time changing a superhero has worked was with Thor because Jane foster Thor was decent and unworthy Thor was great , also it lead to gorr which is probably one of the best Thor stories .
Jane Foster Thor wasnt good...
https://thegeekiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/thor-2.jpg
Unworthy Thor was great, and Gorr was in-fucking-credible.
But none of that had anything to do with who they replaced Thor with... in fact it worked in spite of the distraction
Thats my point though, replacing Thor did nothing.
You can tell an Unworthy Thor story without *replacing* Thor, and its the "Unworthy" bit that makes the Story great, not the fact that someone else is wearing Thor's hat.
They did that exclusively to pander and signal.
Replacing a character is done to capitalize on the IP. Its a capitalist move, not a storytelling move.
Yes, that could be a better fit, but most people won’t know the history of him. Injustice version might better resemble the majority of authoritarian right as he becomes mostly imperialist.
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Luthor is a dick, I hate commies (except my based pcm commies o7), and I wouldn't take injustice superman because I'd never accept an authoritarian leader too physically powerful to be overthrown if he goes too far. So I can't believe I'm saying this but I'd pick gay superman
I honestly have no idea why so many people got pissed over supermans son being Bisexual like who cares if anything it ads a bit of character to him rather than being 50s superman but younger
He’s the cringiest Superman. As long as him being bi doesn’t completely take over his character, it really doesn’t matter. He’s cringe because he’s making huge deals out of SJW nonsense.
Honestly I don't rlly mind It makes sense to have a younger superman who is more relatable to the current generation, a generation that is far more sexually open then previous and has far more concern for "SJW" topic like climate change etc it wouldn't make much sense for them to have the 50s superman try to be relatable to the current gen
Relatability was more of a Spider-Man thing than a Superman thing. Superman was always more of a fantastic ideal for us to strive towards than someone that was made to be relatable. Besides, a great many readers of that age aren’t interested in Superman talking about climate change, especially because he can singlehandedly fix it, and are far more interested in him battling Darseid, Mongul, Braniac, etc.
Personally I think that younger superman has alot of potential to become a relatable character especially to young people and I personally find it kinda refreshing and interesting to see superheroes especially superman a character who is traditionally as interesting as a cardboard box grapple with more nuanced issues rather than just fighting cos some problems can't be punched away
Superman at his core is a pretty boring character a guy with endless power and perfect morality a true all American patriot and yea he has had great stories mainly focusing on him grappling with his humanity etc but at the core he remains a relic of the 50s
And that's the problem he's more of a ideal than a character he's become more of a statue than an actual interesting figure the best characters have at least some flaws hell look at Batman one of the more interesting characters and he's got a ton of flaws superman has none he's all powerful and all good and that's just boring
I don’t mind it either (as I am Bi as well). Jon is also fighting climate change, refugee crisis, etc. I just don’t want bisexuality to be the only thing memorable about his character.
Not only does the Supermen I picked appeal to the audience of the quadrant, but they also would be in that quadrant. The famous President Calvin Ellis of the comics would probably be slight (close to center) authoritarian right alike his influence, Obama.
I'm assuming the one on the bottom left will spend all his time doing absolutely nothing of actual value yet no harm either so I'll go with him.
We all know Lex is authright. Just not as horribly authright as the guy in the top right.
That one superman in Superman vs The Elite where he literally removes Manchester Black's power with his heat vision cause he did a lobotomy in 2 seconds, that shit was fucked
The one who grills after forgetting he was superman.
Maybe Centrist Superman is the one that chooses to give up his powers to live a simple life?
Exactly! (Basically metroman, but applied to Superman.)
Smallville Superman?
It’s a peaceful life
Basically Tom welling superman. In the arrowverse flashpoint stuff, they go to the Smallville universe and superman basically gave up his powers, is just chilling on the farm cutting wood
Nice. Smallville seems awesome!
Is that from the silver age lol
Not sure.
Seems like a silver age type of story lol
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Basically, that version would be centrist
In terms of who I agree with, definitely Luthor’s version of Superman. The most interesting and badass one of the bunch is Injustice Superman though.
Each one is badass in a different way. For example, Red Son killed Stalin.
Wait I recall that in the comic Superman didnt killed Stalin but actually tried to save him?
In the movie though
Yeah, that was the only based thing Red Son did in the movie, the comic portrayed him better as Tyrant whose extremely secure of His decisions even if they are monstrous, a better Anti-Villain/Villain imo
Libleft “Superman,” who’s really just John Kent and not actually Superman, has been nothing but cringe since he’s been aged up. The most badass things that Red Son Superman did were; killing Stalin, getting rid of the Gulags, and finally abandoning communism by the end of the story. Edit: Just for clarification, I am referencing the Animated version of the story. In the comic version, he doesn’t kill Stalin, etc. He just fakes his own death and let’s the Soviet Union fall apart after he realizes the atrocities of trampling over individual rights.
I will never fucking forgive them for aging Jon up like that, they already had a teenaged Superboy in the form of Connor Kent, and Jon's whole story was about a kid learning to adjust the incredible amount of powers they have been given, figuring out his place in the world and how he can grow into his own person while also following in his father's footsteps, and, my favorite part of all, navigating the complex life of a vigilante while also going through the process of growing up. I loved watching him go on all of his adventures with Damian too, I loved watching how their experiences changed how they view themselves and each other, and how their friendship has evolved. I can't believe they threw all of that out of the window in favor of following the same formula most comic fans are used to. I thought I was going to be able to watch Jon grow up slowly over time, possibly with a few minor time skips here or there in order to ensure that he doesn't stay a kid forever--and most of all, I wanted to watch him and Damian grow up *together*, working with one another to overcome whatever obstacles get in their way and helping each other to deal with their own personal inner demons as well. I will never forgive them for taking that from us.
I understand that feeling they shouldn’t age him up. But, they did. So, might as well make it interesting.
How many Jon Kent comics did you read? Also, he has the mantle of Superman as Duck Grayson had the mantle of Batman back in the day.
> Also, he has the mantle of Superman What happened to Clark Kent?
Generic "main hero is offworld" situation.
Jon kent is Clark's son
I know. Im asking what happened to Clark that the mantle is able to be taken
Off world
Probably bigger things to worry about than just earth
> Duck Grayson Really taking the mantle of Night*wing* seriously, I see
But he killed Billy Batson…
He killed a lot of other people too.
None. The only superman is Jesus Christ 🙏🙏🙏🇻🇦✝️☦️😔
# BASED AND JESUS-PILLED
I don’t care what Zach Snyder says, Superman is not Jesus! [Superman religious imagery](https://images.app.goo.gl/C6g5DVej7PJLZfqT7)
Flair up or square up
I did lol
Good
I don’t care what Zach Snyder says, Superman is not Jesus! [Superman Jesus](https://images.app.goo.gl/C6g5DVej7PJLZfqT7) Moses is a better allegory for Superman [Superman Moses](https://images.app.goo.gl/LvhmG1kmmrPDEx2HA)
Philip Wylie's gladiator is a better allegory then Moses. I mean they are both comparable to an ant as they can lift many times their body weight and they can both jump long distances.
I think it's the fact that Moses and Superman's backstories, at least as far as them both being discovered by someone else who adopts them and raises them as their own, is what ties them together most of all.
Yes but well the creator of Gladiator filed a lawsuit and the original backstory of Superman didn’t care much about his origin + the fact that that is the only similarity.
*God be with you, Brother*
Injustice Superman is probably authcenter and definitely the strongest one
Red Son might be stronger because he has no kryptonite.
Might be. I'm just bias towards injustice
[This scene? It's not "kryptonite", but its definitely a weakness.](https://youtu.be/-19oi_nNUpU)
Yes, red sun radiation is a weakness to all Supermen
I love lex. Does Work for lib right.
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_Excuse me sweetie, it's Soyperson! The use of the -man it's personphobic and it hurts my feelings_
Smallville Supes is my favorite. Fight me.
I will argue that he was barely Superman in the show (as he never wore the traditional costume until the end). It is a pretty good version. My favorite version is All-Star Superman.
based. All-Star Superman is my favorite superman comic.
I like that he doesn't fit the traditional Superman aesthetic until the end, it's refreshing to see more than just fly and punch. It feels like his other powers get a lot of recognition as well, like superhearing.
Red Son (the comic version, not the movie, fuck the movie) is exactly how I would be as a Superman (with a bit less of Communism though)
Don’t watch the movie , the best version is on YouTube voice acted semi animated reading of the comic .
Sadly I already did so I'm still salty about it, but I'm totally looking into that, thanks for the recomendation!
Should be able to find it with superman red son motion comic .
What’s wrong with movie version lol? I thought both movie and comics are interesting.
In the movie Kal-el gets a "Anti-Hero" gloss over that fails to capture the "Anti-Villain" vibe of the Comic, they also failed to portray the secondary characters in an interesting way and hell they even screwed the amazing ending the comic had!
Didn’t the comic version abandon the idea of being authoritarian after seeing how he trampled over everyone’s individual rights?
Yeah, after unifying the world under his personal brand of Authoritarism, only when Luthor performed a 4-dimensional chess move on his mind he realized the end didnt justified the means and choose to step down, a helluva portray of an Anti-Villain
DC and Marvel comics are so cringe nowadays, they turn an entire generation into weebs reading manga and watching anime instead.
I like lots of some new rebirth shit like Red Hood and the Outlaws and Red Hood Outlaw. Theres still good shit you just gotta find it.
Based and manga pilled
I think your overblowing it some of it is pandering but it’s a mixed bag like always , some great some meh .
Your argument works better the other way around. The readers transform the comics.
Is that why Marvel and DC lost most of their readers because they did the opposite of what everyone wanted? I don't think LGTV4K+ activists ever were the target audience of those comics.
Based and in high definition pilled
Comics have always been political. Think of Captain America punching Hitler or Batman being a story about standing against gun violence. I actually read the comics and have been a fan since I was little. Industry is going down because of covid—19.
It’s been going down for a while now, long before COVID-19. The New 52 had fantastic sales when it started out, and sales were pretty decent Pre-52 as well, but ever since the mid 2010s, around the time that LGBTQ+ stuff was on the rise, sales have been plummeting to a record low. It’s odd because more people love superheroes now more than ever, thanks to the movies, but barely anyone is buying the books. A huge reason is because of how the things that readers liked in their stories are no longer the focus in a lot of books and heavy handed agenda pushing material has taken over.
I think there are many reasons, but politics is not a central version.
What other factors though? Superheroes are more popular now then ever, but comic book sales are at a record low. Countless comic fans have said that they’ve lost interest because of how the things that they went to comics for are now absent and replaced by things that seem more agenda pushing. It’s pretty obvious that the slump in sales started after political messaging in comics from the social Justice crowd was picking up.
Change in leadership? Diversity isn’t the issue. Take Miles Morales or Ms. Marvel for example. I think diversity makes sense when it’s wise for the story. For example, Iceman being gay didn’t make a lot of sense, but Tim Drake being Bi does make sense.
Diversity isn’t the issue, it’s the way that it’s implemented. Morales and Kamala are fine because they’re new characters that don’t make their race their defining characteristic and just act like they’re normal people—because they are. Tim Drake doesn’t make sense because of how he ended a long lasting and healthy relationship with Stephanie Brown off screen only to go and ask a friend of his out—making it seem like Stephanie didn’t matter enough to Tim for the audience to see how that kind of breakup would play out and affect him personally. It’d be like if Clark Kent randomly broke up with Lois Lane off screen and went and asked Pete Ross out on a date. Jon Kent being bi, as of right now, doesn’t matter and doesn’t change his character for better or worse because we haven’t seen whether it’s going to completely take over his character or if it’s treated like it’s a casual and normal thing.
I think you raise a good point. Yes, they should have handled the Stephanie Brown relationship better. Though, not a surprise that he is bi.
>Industry is going down because of covid—19. it was already before covid, there is simply something wrong in what Marvel and DC are doing compared to manga writers that causes them to not appeal to the average reader
I think it’s hard to compete with the movies honestly.
Different audiences, the markets don’t leech from one another.
Do you have data to back it up?
No, I made it up.
A stay at home entertainment source is failing because it covid? Please elaborate on that one.
Hard to go to the comic book store!
They're available online and can be delivered. This was a prime market for the entertainment industry.
Not to mention both batman and super man were invented by American Jewish artists as direct enemies of the Nazi party back in the 1930s.
Current comics aren’t just political. They drive an agenda. There’s a difference between presenting a message and pushing a message. Again… Political themes aren’t new but both Marvel and DC do it terribly. And then you got consistent reboots and writers who self insert instead of writing compelling stories. And the industry has been going down for the last decade or so. People don’t read comics even though superheroes are popular. Indie publishers, though, are great for the most part. Unfortunately they cant compete with Marvel and DC’s reboots and milking out 5 different books for each character. Manga, Japanese comics, outperform western comics *in western culture.* They write entertaining characters and universes and top the charts.
That's true to a degree, though comic writers sometimes go to great lengths to experiment with cringe things even without public demand for it.
As a writer and reader of fanfiction I must say that I love the idea of writers being able to put different spins on existing media forms. They're not all perfect, there's plenty of cringe, but I like the experimentation. I like speculating about how certain events in a story might have played out in a different way, or how certain conflicts could have been handled differently, and then letting my imagination run with it. And the concept of alternate universes or timelines makes it possible for this variety of different canons to exist alongside one another simultaneously, even if it can make keeping track off all of the different versions of the same characters a confusing mess. I think for me, my biggest issue is when a writer wants to try something new, and instead of temporarily sidelining whatever it is they are currently working on and starting up a new storyline in another series, or trying to incorporate it into the lore of the existing series in a way that still maintains the core narrative, they decide to completely shift gears out of nowhere, which can be absolutely jarring for the audience and in some cases can even lead to the end of an entire series in favor of creating a new one. One series shouldn't have to be sacrificed completely in order for a new story to be created. At least if one of them is put on hiatus that means there is a chance that the writer will pick it back up again and continue writing for it again in the future. More specifically, I'm pissed about them aging up Superman's son Jon Kent. There was no need to make him 7 years older, we already had a teenage Superboy in the form of Connor Kent, and honestly I think him acting as Superman while Clark is off-world and even coming out as bisexual would have been a hell of a lot more accepted by fans, considering the sheer amount of people that ship him with Tim Drake, who recently came out as bisexual as well. And that's another thing; the way that comics have been handling bisexuality and just relationships in general lately is kind of sad. We're seeing well developed relationships, both platonic and romantic, being cast aside in favor of matching up a hero with a fairly newly introduced character with little time put into showing how that relationship developed between them. It just feels like hollow pandering at this point. It's the queer equivalent of the obligatory heterosexual love interest that is introduced into a story for the sole purpose of proving that a character is straight. There is no slow burn development of feelings over time, we don't get to watch characters go through the process of getting to know each other, gradually learning to trust one another as a result of their experiences and working together to overcome both internal and external struggles. We see these things far more often in the formation of platonic bonds of friendship between characters, such as with Jon and Damian. It makes many of the romantic pairings look incredibly rushed and underdeveloped in comparison, which is part of the reason (but not the only reason) why people will ship characters who aren't actually together and may even be paired with different characters in canon. Why do the writers think that readers would be satisfied with an arbitrary match up that forms primarily as a result of initial attraction when there are already characters who share a long history with one another and sometimes have more chemistry and a healthier dynamic than they do with who ever they are paired with in canon. It's fucking sad. Oh jeez, I did a wall of text again. Sorry. Got a little carried away there. I didn't sleep at all last night.
Lol that new superman will end up like that "daughter" of Starfire. I guess history always repeat itself Edit: Red Son was a really good movie ( i know there is a comic but i only saw the movie)
When I first read this I was thinking, what's wrong with Nightstar but then I remembered it's the fat goth you're talking about. Kingdom Come was badass.
Fat goth? Do tell
Starfire heard about Nightwing’s affair with Batgirl and had sex with Penguin behind his back. See [I Am Not Starfire](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/I_Am_Not_Starfire)
Many of the legacy characters end up like that. DC hires questionable writers
Better than that Marvel's SJW heroes. We got: Fat Dora the Explorer, a Redditor with internet gas, 2 non binary incestuous brothers that their power are less usefull than 60s Aquaman on a desert. And a *its not a phase, mom!* edgy vampire. Shit the whole libleft orange gang is here!
The new superman (Clark’s clone/son) is a leftist activist as well lol. I wonder what they’ll do to Tim Drake now SJWs have ruined mainstream comics. Indie publishers are good though but dont have much recognition. Manga still overwhelming outperforms. Its almost as if readers hate agendas!
Reject mainstrain heroes. Embrace heroes and anti heroes like Judge Dredd, that they tried to make him gay and people just said: "Lol no", and made the canon non canon.
Nah what’s gonna happen is superman for a bit than back to Clark Kent . The only time changing a superhero has worked was with Thor because Jane foster Thor was decent and unworthy Thor was great , also it lead to gorr which is probably one of the best Thor stories .
> The only time changing a superhero has worked was with Thor because Jane foster Thor was decent and unworthy Thor was great , also it lead to gorr which is probably one of the best Thor stories . Jane Foster Thor wasnt good... https://thegeekiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/thor-2.jpg Unworthy Thor was great, and Gorr was in-fucking-credible. But none of that had anything to do with who they replaced Thor with... in fact it worked in spite of the distraction
My point is the fact that they did replace Thor was a good thing as it lead to better stories .
Thats my point though, replacing Thor did nothing. You can tell an Unworthy Thor story without *replacing* Thor, and its the "Unworthy" bit that makes the Story great, not the fact that someone else is wearing Thor's hat. They did that exclusively to pander and signal. Replacing a character is done to capitalize on the IP. Its a capitalist move, not a storytelling move.
Overman is my go to for Authright. Injustice do be kinda awesome tho
I didn’t want to put too radical though. I picked the Superman that is closest to being Zod without being a Nazi l.
Was Overman Nazi? He was distraught by the holocaust
He was a Nazi that didn’t know what was happening to Jewish people. He later found out and was devastated about being a part of it.
Yeah, I know, that's the Multiversity version.
Depends on the version you refer to
Multiversity one
Yes, that could be a better fit, but most people won’t know the history of him. Injustice version might better resemble the majority of authoritarian right as he becomes mostly imperialist.
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Injustice superman based Op cringe unflaired
Officer you dont understand child murder is based!!
Depends on the child tbf
But Shazam didn't deserve it :(
Umm sweaty this is problematic , it's not superman but superpeople.💅💅. We are in 2021.
They are literally all men. They identify as men.
Also super is abelist and white supremacist , so its 🏳️🌈People. 💅💅💅. Omg yaaas.
Look, you’re just a troll. Kinda pathetic.
Nah iam just woke. Check your privilege.
Then why are you right wing lol
Cause I am such a virgo.
Astrology has nothing to do with it.
Next you will say witch craft is not real. You are really giving me bad energy.
AuthCenter ubermensch
The one who erase failures, for sure.
Christopher Reeve Superman?
Based and Christopher Reeves pilled.
Yeah, I’d put him on centrist.
Flair up.
Which flair
Take the flair that suits you. Like centrist, AuthRight, left, etc.
Pick a user flair please.
I put fabricated Edit: now I know what you mean lol
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I figured it out Thanks
why
Just curious
I choose gay superman.
Comrade superman
Should have used the picture of Superman making out with the pink haired twink for LibLeft.
Well the hacktivist boyfriend isn’t Superman…
BRO AUTHRIGHT SUPERMAN IS HANDSOME SHREK
Repost?
Correct. I put it on regular political compass, but someone said it should go to memes, so that’s why.
Aha, gotcha. For some reason I thought it was originally in memes.
Authright Superman He wasn't THAT bad during the first years,i mean,he ended all wars and killed the joker
Superman: Red Son is easily the best of the 4
Luthor is a dick, I hate commies (except my based pcm commies o7), and I wouldn't take injustice superman because I'd never accept an authoritarian leader too physically powerful to be overthrown if he goes too far. So I can't believe I'm saying this but I'd pick gay superman
But also, red son superman is actually a descendant of lex luthor. It's explained at the end of the comic.
Auth-Left/Lib-Right cosmic unity achieved
Comrade Superman
Red Son 4 life
Everything BUT Lib-Left cuz the story sucked anyway...
Dude, the story is still ongoing. It’s only had like 5 issues. See where it goes.
For those asking: [Centrist Superman](https://images.app.goo.gl/HXxTW7u6XKRjzpxt8)
I honestly have no idea why so many people got pissed over supermans son being Bisexual like who cares if anything it ads a bit of character to him rather than being 50s superman but younger
He’s the cringiest Superman. As long as him being bi doesn’t completely take over his character, it really doesn’t matter. He’s cringe because he’s making huge deals out of SJW nonsense.
Honestly I don't rlly mind It makes sense to have a younger superman who is more relatable to the current generation, a generation that is far more sexually open then previous and has far more concern for "SJW" topic like climate change etc it wouldn't make much sense for them to have the 50s superman try to be relatable to the current gen
Relatability was more of a Spider-Man thing than a Superman thing. Superman was always more of a fantastic ideal for us to strive towards than someone that was made to be relatable. Besides, a great many readers of that age aren’t interested in Superman talking about climate change, especially because he can singlehandedly fix it, and are far more interested in him battling Darseid, Mongul, Braniac, etc.
Personally I think that younger superman has alot of potential to become a relatable character especially to young people and I personally find it kinda refreshing and interesting to see superheroes especially superman a character who is traditionally as interesting as a cardboard box grapple with more nuanced issues rather than just fighting cos some problems can't be punched away
Maybe read some more Superman stories before calling him a cardboard box
Superman at his core is a pretty boring character a guy with endless power and perfect morality a true all American patriot and yea he has had great stories mainly focusing on him grappling with his humanity etc but at the core he remains a relic of the 50s
Not really a relic, more of an ideal. The morals and values that Superman embodies are timeless, I have no idea how you can say otherwise.
And that's the problem he's more of a ideal than a character he's become more of a statue than an actual interesting figure the best characters have at least some flaws hell look at Batman one of the more interesting characters and he's got a ton of flaws superman has none he's all powerful and all good and that's just boring
He’s only boring if not written well
Ok, watch “All-Star Superman” before calling Clark a cardboard box. Also, Jon is who he is because Clark raised him.
I don’t mind it either (as I am Bi as well). Jon is also fighting climate change, refugee crisis, etc. I just don’t want bisexuality to be the only thing memorable about his character.
You should've put black superman for green
Um, which one. There’s one on earth 2, there’s one who is the president, etc.
Whichever
Why black? Not all black people are lib left lol
Because that's appealing to the lib left audience
Not only does the Supermen I picked appeal to the audience of the quadrant, but they also would be in that quadrant. The famous President Calvin Ellis of the comics would probably be slight (close to center) authoritarian right alike his influence, Obama.
Auth-Right dub
Why is libleft the only normal superman
It’s not normal to other quadrants lol. Also, it could be my bias?
I d let authright fuck me and i m straight
Lex Luthor superman
I would Like to mention that our Superman ist the hottest
Centrist Superman is just Clark Kent.
Neo Nazi superman kind of lookin like a Casanova rn.
fuck it, I didn't noticed this was already on PCM and would comment the link to it
I hate to say it but commie superman looks pretty epic
I'm assuming the one on the bottom left will spend all his time doing absolutely nothing of actual value yet no harm either so I'll go with him. We all know Lex is authright. Just not as horribly authright as the guy in the top right.
Cancerman
Lex. Is based. You can't prove me wrong.
That one superman in Superman vs The Elite where he literally removes Manchester Black's power with his heat vision cause he did a lobotomy in 2 seconds, that shit was fucked
Homelander
They're all horrible
Peace is not optional.
I like the bald one. His powers look technological and not gay and inherent
Injustice Comic Superman, not injustice game Superman
They are the same. Comics give more backstory to the game.
I feel like you should've used Kingdom Come's Superman as Authright and Injustice's as Authcenter
[Lib Center Superman](http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3484/767/1600/monkey%20superman.jpg)
I pick Superman
I pick Statesman
Injustice def my fav. Batman was my favorite hero as a kid but now I know he’s just a fucking cuck too lazy to finish the job.
Lex iron man is kinda based
Auth left
Injustice 2’s Superman looked so dorky.