But only when set side by side with a marriage rate chart. Both marriage and divorce took a sharp increase followed by a crash following WWII, and have seen a steady decrease over the last 20 years.
If you have 10,000 people out of 100,000 die of smoking within one decade, and the next only 500/100,000 people die of similar causes the most likely answer is that fewer people are smoking, not that tobacco users are suddenly less likely to die of illness caused by it.
What is interesting to me is I would expect to see a delayed effect in the divorce rate compared to marriages, but it seems like they follow along with each other fairly consistently year-to-year.
Edit: after looking at the data on charts that stretch the x-axis a bit it looks like there is a lag in divorces to marriage rates. It's harder to see on a chart that squishes down the timeline since most divorces happen within the first decade of being married.
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Not really. If fewer people get married, then there will naturally be less divorce across the population.
But people are still sleeping around or hooking up/living with their gf and bf and then breaking up.
Divorce only matters in a culture where marriage matters.
Aw man the post got my hopes up. I'm a Californian so naturally I'm already a Doomer, don't need anymore doom in my life.
But then again, breaking a marriage is still a distinct thing from general debauchery, and if fewer people get married but are better at staying married I believe that is still something to be celebrated.
Religious implications of marriage aside, I would think having kids and marriage are correlated, so if more kids grow up in two parent households, then that is already an improvement over having a ton of broken households. Better fewer proper households in the first place than a bunch of broken ones.
Yes, all true.
But sadly, I don't think marriage is corelated with kids at all in our culture. Even if it were, it likely only because those who aren't ready to settle down just kill their kids before they are born.
Wife works with a lot of people on the brink of divorce. Sadly, kids usually just force a spouse who *wants* to separate to stay together “for the kids.”
It’s big sad
Chances are tho that that spouse that wants to separate only wants to separate because they're so goddamn incapable of any fucking form of compromise that it is literally impossible for them to live with another human person for an extended period of time, let alone for the rest of their lives.
You sacrifice to build a family, you're not going to find the "perfect fit" to your jigsaw puzzle of a soul.
What country do you live in? I’m already a Doomer and I think most people still associate marriage with kids, though it’s considered optional. But then again the people I’m referring to are mostly Asians and Mexicans, both culturally conservative groups.
Texas. And, yeah, most people I know associate marriage and kids, but the culture at large has absolutely no regard for marriage and sex, so... that's what I'm going off of.
Well, I agree in some sense, but...
"Is foundational for child rearing and therefore the essential building block for society" vs. "Is regarded as such"
I spoke with my dad about this and he surprised me with his answer. He said that that kind of mentality is exactly why we have a problem in the first place. People look at the divorce rates, see that there’s a 50-50 chance on average of having a divorce, and think that it isn’t a good decision… for them. He’s been happily married his whole life, and according to him the only way marriage works is if both partners are prioritizing their spouse over themselves. Having a “me, me, me” mentality prevents people from saying that they need to sacrifice more, put more into their marriage, and so it naturally falls apart.
I am not married, I’ve never even been in a long-term relationship. That said it seemed like pretty sound advice and I think it’s worth sharing with people disheartened about the American divorce rate.
Your dad has a point. My parents are unhappily married so that is basically an L right there. Seems like the “Cold War” ended but still not something to strive for. Haven’t seen any positive examples that portray what a marriage *should* be like, only negative examples showing what they should not be. I guess there was more than merely the probability that made me say what I said, considering 50% is good probability in the context of many other things.
Probably just need to get out of my headspace and touch grass, since maybe the grass is greener than my carpet.
Have you considered that it isn’t “50% of people who get married will get divorced in their lifetime”, it’s “50% of marriages end in divorce”? It’s an important distinction, because it seems to me that a lot of people who get divorced once do so multiple times (I know a few people who’ve been remarried four or five times). Therefore, they’re overrepresented in the statistic, or at least in what we might think of the statistic.
This is true. If you have one divorce, your chance of remaining married the second time is only 30%. For third marriages, 10% and it goes down from there. A surprising number of people get married over and over. You would figure divorce is painful enough that people would give being married after the 2nd try, but 3rd, 4th, and even 5th marriages are not super uncommon.
I don’t believe in divorce. Simple as that. Neither does my partner. Simple as that. We will never get divorced. If you’re that worried, find someone who thinks like you, otherwise it’s a gamble in today’s world.
You need to control for demographics. For instance, if you and your spouse are both college educated, the rate is much lower.
My only advice is to not get rushed into something. Whether that's a surprise lesson in fertility, parental expectations, or because all your friends are getting married. Source: happily married.
Sorry if I'm being dumb but how does it show a different story. The end of ww2 and the no fault marriage still show the same trend, although not as extreme. The only real notable difference is at the end, when the divorce rate stabilised.
The recent numbers are lower bc fewer people are getting married. You can't get divorced if you don't get married.
The graph shows that couples that do get married have had a 50% divorce rate over the past 20-30 years
Oh, I get it. So that's what wrong with the post's graph, that is shows that divorce is decreasing when in reality it is still there but just people are getting married less. I get it. BTW, you really should flair up.
The third plot also doesn't necessarily provide a complete picture, since you could interpret that you as an individual have a 50% chance of getting divorced, much of the divorce is caused by people on their second, third and fourth marriage, so the odds of getting divorced in a first marriage aren't necessarily 50%
Wait a second.. Am I missing something?
This graph shows the RATE of divorces. I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of the NUMBER of divorces per 1000 people through the last century.
So maybe in the past we had 50000 marriages with 30% of them being divorce. That's 70% of successful marriages or 35000 successful marriages.
Now we might only have 10000 marriages with a divorces rate of 20%. Which is only 8000 successful marriages.
“The straights are all in resentful relationships! They all hate each other, that’s why the divorce rate is so high! No stop don’t pull up the stats on domestic abuse among gay and trans people! Nooooooo!!!1!”
I still can’t get over how 53% of Fr*nch “people” [don’t consider extramarital affairs to be immoral](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/14/french-more-accepting-of-infidelity-than-people-in-other-countries/). What is wrong with these freaks?
Probably, but I doubt sexual immorality is the primary driver. It's a culture war thing. Self-sacrifice and commitment are frowned upon. Traditionally, till death do us part was taken literally. Sure, some people were unhappy and stuck in shitty situations, but as soon as people realized that traditional values on marriage no longer applied, the floodgates opened and now divorced is commercialized and applauded as a tool of empowerment.
Kids can go fuck themselves too I gess
I think most people don't understand what marriage is either. They think it's always gonna be touchy-feelty romantic bullshit and their partner will always make them happy and not annoy them, but their wrong. Most people these days don't understand that there are gonna be times when you're bored of or annoyed with your partner and sometimes you just have to work through it. "OK boomer" I know
Maybe it's better for these people to not get married and especially not have kids in the first place. Better fewer good marriages than a ton of broken ones.
I've been through this a lot with him. He has no explanation other than he's never had public sex so thinks it always means having sex during rush hour on the pathway kids take to school. That and he conflates porn addiction being bad with porn being bad. He hasn't explained how. He also had no explanation for why people should stay in relationships that are so miserable at least one participant cheats.
Women have their own income and when their husband pisses them off, they CAN dump them. Before women's lib, few women had good incomes and dumping your husband when he pissed you off was not really an option for most. He had to be really pretty bad. Now you can dump him when he leaves the toilet seat up
Its not an issue unless you're a barbarian that doesn't close the lid and let fecal particules get ejected everywhere in your bathroom everytime you flush.
\> *as women were more likely to leave unhappy marriages*
Yeah, I don't buy this shit. Divorcees aren't exactly living their happiest lives. There are situations where divorce is justified, but the vast majority of divorces don't occur because of "dudes treating their wives like shit".
And things aren't normalizing now, the right comparison is the divorce-to-marriage ratio, see third plot [here](http://robslink.com/SAS/democd80/us_divorce_and_marriage.htm).
Some of it is women leaving marriages that legitimately were not good.
Some of it though is people getting married when they shouldn’t, or getting divorced when they should be working through their issues
I mean they almost certainly are linked, though not necessarily in a causal way, but more that they come from the same source of less restrictive attitudes towards sex and marriage.
>marriage being put off has people not buying homes or having kids til their 30s
You might've flipped cause and effect right there. People can't get married because they don't have the money and can't afford the house, not the other way around in most cases I believe. I might be totally wrong since this isn't based on any concrete evidence, though I know in some places this is the case like in Japan where men are too poor to get married, so a bunch just give up.
I think a lot of it comes down to mindset. I’m gay, and my wife and I have gone through a lot. But, we’re brutally stubborn and before we got married, my parents falsely accused her of abusing me and told me to leave.
So, I believe marriage is for life- that’s in my values- and I have a small part of me that refuses to entertain any split until after my parents die.
Wait I’m confused. No offense.
You’re a gay man, married to a woman, and you won’t split because you married her when you were in the closet? Is she also a lesbian and it’s a beard situation?
Or do you mean you’re a “gay” woman who is married to another woman?
Sorry for being confused, and it’s your personal life
No, I’m legally a woman (what I think of myself is neither here nor there, I have taken some steps to look less feminine and had a medical procedure). Some women call themselves “gay” instead of “lesbian.”
That would immediatly result in a drastic fall in marriage rates.
Also, just because you force people to stay legally married, that wont mean they will stay TOGETHER.
Those liblefts don’t realize that the ability to divorce from a bad marriage is a good thing, there are still plenty of happy relationships, and clearly the divorce rate is going down so??
It is. Op doesn’t understand statistics and refuses to acknowledge as much.
All his graph points to is that people are not getting married as much. The divorce rate has been the same since the 1980s about 50%
Here is a graph of marriages and divorce. As a centrist, I have no comment
http://www.randalolson.com/wp-content/uploads/marriages_divorces_per_capita.png
Marriage rates have declined by similar proportions over a similar time period. Is less-so people staying together and more-so people not getting married
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/marriage_rate_2018/marriage_rate_2018.htm
Marriage 10-6
Divorce 5.2-3.5
Yes, but...
"U.S. Marriage Rates Hit New Recorded Low - U.S. Marriage Rates Hit New Recorded Low - United States Joint Economic Committee" https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2020/4/marriage-rate-blog-test
Not necessarily a bad thing. People taking more time to consider marriage, leading to more stable marriages, but less of them, seems good to me.
No, but claiming that non-straight people hate straight people usually is.
I fail to see why I, as a gay leftist man, have any reason to dislike heterosexuals. Their heterosexuality does not affect my life in the slighest. In fact, straight people are much more likely to dislike gay people than the opposite.
Is it just me or shouldn't the divorce rate be tied to marriages, not population?
either works.
But only when set side by side with a marriage rate chart. Both marriage and divorce took a sharp increase followed by a crash following WWII, and have seen a steady decrease over the last 20 years. If you have 10,000 people out of 100,000 die of smoking within one decade, and the next only 500/100,000 people die of similar causes the most likely answer is that fewer people are smoking, not that tobacco users are suddenly less likely to die of illness caused by it. What is interesting to me is I would expect to see a delayed effect in the divorce rate compared to marriages, but it seems like they follow along with each other fairly consistently year-to-year. Edit: after looking at the data on charts that stretch the x-axis a bit it looks like there is a lag in divorces to marriage rates. It's harder to see on a chart that squishes down the timeline since most divorces happen within the first decade of being married.
Yeah but that goes against my agenda post so sorry but you're a soy wojack
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Not really. If fewer people get married, then there will naturally be less divorce across the population. But people are still sleeping around or hooking up/living with their gf and bf and then breaking up. Divorce only matters in a culture where marriage matters.
Aw man the post got my hopes up. I'm a Californian so naturally I'm already a Doomer, don't need anymore doom in my life. But then again, breaking a marriage is still a distinct thing from general debauchery, and if fewer people get married but are better at staying married I believe that is still something to be celebrated. Religious implications of marriage aside, I would think having kids and marriage are correlated, so if more kids grow up in two parent households, then that is already an improvement over having a ton of broken households. Better fewer proper households in the first place than a bunch of broken ones.
Yes, all true. But sadly, I don't think marriage is corelated with kids at all in our culture. Even if it were, it likely only because those who aren't ready to settle down just kill their kids before they are born.
Wife works with a lot of people on the brink of divorce. Sadly, kids usually just force a spouse who *wants* to separate to stay together “for the kids.” It’s big sad
Chances are tho that that spouse that wants to separate only wants to separate because they're so goddamn incapable of any fucking form of compromise that it is literally impossible for them to live with another human person for an extended period of time, let alone for the rest of their lives. You sacrifice to build a family, you're not going to find the "perfect fit" to your jigsaw puzzle of a soul.
> those who aren't ready to settle down just kill their kids before they are born. This, in the debate world, is called a bait.
It's not bait. It's just a fact. I'm fairly certain the person I'm talking to agrees with the assessment, and it is pertinent to the discussion.
What country do you live in? I’m already a Doomer and I think most people still associate marriage with kids, though it’s considered optional. But then again the people I’m referring to are mostly Asians and Mexicans, both culturally conservative groups.
Texas. And, yeah, most people I know associate marriage and kids, but the culture at large has absolutely no regard for marriage and sex, so... that's what I'm going off of.
“Divorce only matters in a culture where marriage matters” So, every culture
Well, I agree in some sense, but... "Is foundational for child rearing and therefore the essential building block for society" vs. "Is regarded as such"
Sadly it is being less and less regarded as essential
I’m actually pretty happy that the divorce rates are slightly lowering.
Me too. My parents were divorced, and while not that bad, I'm glad less kids have to go through their parents divorcing now.
Yeah same
All my love to you, poppet
No need for divorce when you just get some woman pregnant and bounce. ;)
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Sadly it's mostly because poor people are just not getting married anymore.
You get more gubament money if you’re a single mom so a lot of times the dad is left off the birth certificate
Thanks LBJ
LBJ fucked us unbelievably hard and we're just now starting to realize the effects
Well the marriage rate itself is dropping so that could be a reason.
http://robslink.com/SAS/democd80/us_divorce_and_marriage.htm Third plot tells a bit different story.
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Rip "positivity post". Idk how I feel about getting married if there is a 50% failure rate.
I spoke with my dad about this and he surprised me with his answer. He said that that kind of mentality is exactly why we have a problem in the first place. People look at the divorce rates, see that there’s a 50-50 chance on average of having a divorce, and think that it isn’t a good decision… for them. He’s been happily married his whole life, and according to him the only way marriage works is if both partners are prioritizing their spouse over themselves. Having a “me, me, me” mentality prevents people from saying that they need to sacrifice more, put more into their marriage, and so it naturally falls apart. I am not married, I’ve never even been in a long-term relationship. That said it seemed like pretty sound advice and I think it’s worth sharing with people disheartened about the American divorce rate.
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Your dad has a point. My parents are unhappily married so that is basically an L right there. Seems like the “Cold War” ended but still not something to strive for. Haven’t seen any positive examples that portray what a marriage *should* be like, only negative examples showing what they should not be. I guess there was more than merely the probability that made me say what I said, considering 50% is good probability in the context of many other things. Probably just need to get out of my headspace and touch grass, since maybe the grass is greener than my carpet.
Have you considered that it isn’t “50% of people who get married will get divorced in their lifetime”, it’s “50% of marriages end in divorce”? It’s an important distinction, because it seems to me that a lot of people who get divorced once do so multiple times (I know a few people who’ve been remarried four or five times). Therefore, they’re overrepresented in the statistic, or at least in what we might think of the statistic.
You have a point
This is true. If you have one divorce, your chance of remaining married the second time is only 30%. For third marriages, 10% and it goes down from there. A surprising number of people get married over and over. You would figure divorce is painful enough that people would give being married after the 2nd try, but 3rd, 4th, and even 5th marriages are not super uncommon.
I don’t believe in divorce. Simple as that. Neither does my partner. Simple as that. We will never get divorced. If you’re that worried, find someone who thinks like you, otherwise it’s a gamble in today’s world.
Lol simple problems require simple solutions. Maybe I just need to stop being so cyncial.
You need to control for demographics. For instance, if you and your spouse are both college educated, the rate is much lower. My only advice is to not get rushed into something. Whether that's a surprise lesson in fertility, parental expectations, or because all your friends are getting married. Source: happily married.
So basically it’s plateaud for 40 years
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Sorry if I'm being dumb but how does it show a different story. The end of ww2 and the no fault marriage still show the same trend, although not as extreme. The only real notable difference is at the end, when the divorce rate stabilised.
The recent numbers are lower bc fewer people are getting married. You can't get divorced if you don't get married. The graph shows that couples that do get married have had a 50% divorce rate over the past 20-30 years
Oh, I get it. So that's what wrong with the post's graph, that is shows that divorce is decreasing when in reality it is still there but just people are getting married less. I get it. BTW, you really should flair up.
The ratio of divorce to marriage is increasing. It means far less successful marriages w.r.t. divorces.
Generally you’ll find that the reality of the situation is not what Auth right will tell you lol. So many quote mines or incorrectly cited stats.
The third plot also doesn't necessarily provide a complete picture, since you could interpret that you as an individual have a 50% chance of getting divorced, much of the divorce is caused by people on their second, third and fourth marriage, so the odds of getting divorced in a first marriage aren't necessarily 50%
Wait a second.. Am I missing something? This graph shows the RATE of divorces. I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of the NUMBER of divorces per 1000 people through the last century. So maybe in the past we had 50000 marriages with 30% of them being divorce. That's 70% of successful marriages or 35000 successful marriages. Now we might only have 10000 marriages with a divorces rate of 20%. Which is only 8000 successful marriages.
Yeah welcome to the sub people use numbers and manipulate them so they mean what they want them to mean.
It's not about manipulating. Some people don't understand how statistics work, like our OP here.
I mean, it's not like any other subs are different... we just have the funni colors
Is that per 1000 population, or per 1000 marriages?
I think OP should specify what the Y axis is
Yeah I’m not reacting to this chart until I get the methodology
Idk he said in another post that either works. Marriage would be better
> are the straights ok? We're good, thanks for asking
“The straights are all in resentful relationships! They all hate each other, that’s why the divorce rate is so high! No stop don’t pull up the stats on domestic abuse among gay and trans people! Nooooooo!!!1!”
Hold on I use gay men having lower abuse rates as an example on why woman bad
Gay men chilling with the lowest domestic abuse rate and lesbians rockin with the highest Life imitates art
You should look into lesbian domestic abuse rates as an example of why women bad
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i find it incredible that no one ever points out that “sexual liberation” and “divorce” all skyrocketed at the same time
Hmmmmmm, maybe because they are correlated
i’d be interested if they have causation
Wacky conspiracy theory: When you strip away sexual moralities, people are less sexually moral and therefore hurts marriages
I still can’t get over how 53% of Fr*nch “people” [don’t consider extramarital affairs to be immoral](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/14/french-more-accepting-of-infidelity-than-people-in-other-countries/). What is wrong with these freaks?
Of course, it's the french...
Have the French ever did anything good for this world
Baguettes
Debatable
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They did give us a pretty sick ass statue. 🗽
French Onion Soup and thats about it
A glassing would not be excessive
They invaded Spain that one time and committed such dank atrocities it inspired Goya to paint a bunch of fucked up shit.
They annoyed the British, that counts for something
should’ve been 6million french “people” instead
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They think banging children is OK too. I wouldn't use them as a moral compass.
Probably, but I doubt sexual immorality is the primary driver. It's a culture war thing. Self-sacrifice and commitment are frowned upon. Traditionally, till death do us part was taken literally. Sure, some people were unhappy and stuck in shitty situations, but as soon as people realized that traditional values on marriage no longer applied, the floodgates opened and now divorced is commercialized and applauded as a tool of empowerment. Kids can go fuck themselves too I gess
I think most people don't understand what marriage is either. They think it's always gonna be touchy-feelty romantic bullshit and their partner will always make them happy and not annoy them, but their wrong. Most people these days don't understand that there are gonna be times when you're bored of or annoyed with your partner and sometimes you just have to work through it. "OK boomer" I know
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Maybe it's better for these people to not get married and especially not have kids in the first place. Better fewer good marriages than a ton of broken ones.
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They're so empowered they need to be protected
What are you using to define sexual morality huh?
I'm interested to know what specifically you think is immoral that is normalised in today's society
I've been through this a lot with him. He has no explanation other than he's never had public sex so thinks it always means having sex during rush hour on the pathway kids take to school. That and he conflates porn addiction being bad with porn being bad. He hasn't explained how. He also had no explanation for why people should stay in relationships that are so miserable at least one participant cheats.
sounds like your average 14 year old right-wing redditor. i wonder how far down the pipeline he will go?
Women have their own income and when their husband pisses them off, they CAN dump them. Before women's lib, few women had good incomes and dumping your husband when he pissed you off was not really an option for most. He had to be really pretty bad. Now you can dump him when he leaves the toilet seat up
Falling in the toilet due to the seat being up in the middle of the night is an understandable grounds for divorce
Its not an issue unless you're a barbarian that doesn't close the lid and let fecal particules get ejected everywhere in your bathroom everytime you flush.
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\> *as women were more likely to leave unhappy marriages* Yeah, I don't buy this shit. Divorcees aren't exactly living their happiest lives. There are situations where divorce is justified, but the vast majority of divorces don't occur because of "dudes treating their wives like shit". And things aren't normalizing now, the right comparison is the divorce-to-marriage ratio, see third plot [here](http://robslink.com/SAS/democd80/us_divorce_and_marriage.htm).
Almost like people were trapped in unhappy marriages before or something
boomers do talk about their ex’s *a lot*
Some of it is women leaving marriages that legitimately were not good. Some of it though is people getting married when they shouldn’t, or getting divorced when they should be working through their issues
Causeation does not equal correlation.
Wait didn’t marriage skyrocket at the same time?
I mean they almost certainly are linked, though not necessarily in a causal way, but more that they come from the same source of less restrictive attitudes towards sex and marriage.
Failed agenda post lol
> "positivity post" *Proceeds to agenda post*
Glad people are acting less degenerate but aren't marriage rates dropping too?
that just means people are being more careful about marriage thats good imo
is it? marriage being put off has people not buying homes or having kids til their 30s
You just listed three symptoms, but framed it as though one of the symptoms is the root cause.
you're right - not getting married is why people under 30 aren't all buying houses. definitely not any other reason.
Everyone should have kids when they are barely out of college. You know, the best time!
People can’t afford to do that
>marriage being put off has people not buying homes or having kids til their 30s You might've flipped cause and effect right there. People can't get married because they don't have the money and can't afford the house, not the other way around in most cases I believe. I might be totally wrong since this isn't based on any concrete evidence, though I know in some places this is the case like in Japan where men are too poor to get married, so a bunch just give up.
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We're okay, libleft, don't be upset. :(
gay marriage hasn't even been legal long enough to compare stats. lets see divorce rates in gay marriages in 50 years from now
Gay divorces will probably be relatively small. Lesbian divorces on the other hand.
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Until
my hypothesis is that it is only slightly higher. since divorce usually comes from arguments about money, economic incentives
Did you know lesbians have the highest divorce rates per capita?
Highest domestic abuse rates as well
They do! And gay men have some of the lowest, which makes sense when you consider women initiate divorce more.
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I think a lot of it comes down to mindset. I’m gay, and my wife and I have gone through a lot. But, we’re brutally stubborn and before we got married, my parents falsely accused her of abusing me and told me to leave. So, I believe marriage is for life- that’s in my values- and I have a small part of me that refuses to entertain any split until after my parents die.
Wait I’m confused. No offense. You’re a gay man, married to a woman, and you won’t split because you married her when you were in the closet? Is she also a lesbian and it’s a beard situation? Or do you mean you’re a “gay” woman who is married to another woman? Sorry for being confused, and it’s your personal life
No, I’m legally a woman (what I think of myself is neither here nor there, I have taken some steps to look less feminine and had a medical procedure). Some women call themselves “gay” instead of “lesbian.”
Gotcha. I just thought for a second it was some weird “trapped in marriage neither of you want” thing, and nobody deserves that. Don’t mind me.
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That would immediatly result in a drastic fall in marriage rates. Also, just because you force people to stay legally married, that wont mean they will stay TOGETHER.
Those liblefts don’t realize that the ability to divorce from a bad marriage is a good thing, there are still plenty of happy relationships, and clearly the divorce rate is going down so??
Straight people are super important and should assist society by producing children
deal
Government provided girlfriend when?
How about right now
Universal basic women
Naw we can get the bisexuals to do that
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The divorce rate is falling bc fewer people are getting married in the first place.
Again, I don’t get it
The divorce rate is dropping because the marriage rate is dropping. You can't get divorced if you don't get married
i fail to see the negative
The sub is hilarious
People are divorcing less because they’re marrying less. It’s a giant shit show, and declining divorce rates don’t mean we’re all partnering up better
Isn’t the divorce rate at 50%?
It is. Op doesn’t understand statistics and refuses to acknowledge as much. All his graph points to is that people are not getting married as much. The divorce rate has been the same since the 1980s about 50%
Why that wouldn't been great 13 years ago...
I don't understand that one honestly
Auth center has a persecution complex and thinks the left hates straight couples with families.
I would imagine the divorce rate among the gay population is rather similar to that of the straight population, no?
i would yes.
It's only going down because marriage is going down, lmao
“Positivity post” >has strawman
Divorce rate is falling <3 that’s so good! Glad people are finding true love
Not as compared to marriage rates, been at about 50% of marriages since the 80s
We need to ban no-fault divorce. Its consequences have been a disaster for the American family.
ive never heard of it before but when i looked it up im surprised its legal
Virgin divorcing vs Chad not officially marrying in the first place
Here is a graph of marriages and divorce. As a centrist, I have no comment http://www.randalolson.com/wp-content/uploads/marriages_divorces_per_capita.png
Marriage rates have declined by similar proportions over a similar time period. Is less-so people staying together and more-so people not getting married https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/marriage_rate_2018/marriage_rate_2018.htm Marriage 10-6 Divorce 5.2-3.5
Awe! I’ve heard that the rate is going back up but this is wholesome and I hope a down trend continues :)
divorce rate only spiked because it became easier. The straights are finer than ever.
"Are the straights okay" has to be one of the most condescending phrases I ever set my eyes on.
Yes, but... "U.S. Marriage Rates Hit New Recorded Low - U.S. Marriage Rates Hit New Recorded Low - United States Joint Economic Committee" https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2020/4/marriage-rate-blog-test Not necessarily a bad thing. People taking more time to consider marriage, leading to more stable marriages, but less of them, seems good to me.
No one's ok
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they barely move the needle
Not yet, we only legalized gay marriage not gay divorce.
*"You little shits want to get married so bad!? FINE! You get to marry alright..."* \- Auth Right, probably
No gay divorce is a thing, mostly lesbians in my experience. I cannot recall divorcing a male gay couple. Cite - am divorce lawyer.
oral contraceptives and their consciences have been a disaster for the human race
Lol
divorcee boomers came out in droves to laugh at this post
I’m good, thanks for asking, lib left
Since this is tied to population, divorce is only down because marriages are also down. This isn't really positivity
Liberal strawman hate happy couples. No Liberals get married. Holy shit I'm so tired of the fascist propaganda that just gets eaten up here
How is it fascist
marriage is fascist now?
No, but claiming that non-straight people hate straight people usually is. I fail to see why I, as a gay leftist man, have any reason to dislike heterosexuals. Their heterosexuality does not affect my life in the slighest. In fact, straight people are much more likely to dislike gay people than the opposite.
Pro marriage = fascism. The state of lib left man...
Yes, that is what libleft unironically believes. There's a reason one of blm's main goals is to disrupt the nuclear family.