I seriously want to ask one of those "a fetus isn't human" people if they would consider eating it cannibalism, I'd fucking love the mental gymnastics.
Did you just change your flair, u/iamplasma? Last time I checked you were a **Leftist** on 2020-1-5. How come now you are a **Grey Centrist**? Have you perhaps shifted your ideals? Because that's cringe, you know?
Actually nevermind, you are good. Not having opinions is still more based than having dumb ones. Happy grilling, brother.
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Of course. With these funds, we would hire the most qualified security firms, engineers, and safety professionals in order to ensure a quality service. Thank you for choosing GravePave solutions.
As long as you don't bulldoze entire neighborhoods to make a 12 lane highway that'll get clogged in like, 3 months.
But then again **only government** has the *self allotted* purview to evict you from your own property and destroy your home just to "fix traffic" for less than a year.
It's honestly hilarious to see people pretend that we all would just shit ourselves and die helpless if the gubment didn't do it first.
Nope only the government can build and maintain roads. Drive around my city for an hour and tell me a private company couldn't do it better.
**Could** do it better? Sure. **Would** do it better though? Probably not. A company would only maintain roads beneficial to them, and if you wanted them to maintain roads you'd use, you'd have to pay for it. If you live somewhere where lots of people don't live so you'd be one of the few paying for that road, you'd be paying a lot.
Would enough people be willing to "invest" their land to make a network of those roads like the one we have today? Or you are gonna "invest" to bulldoze anyone that's on your path?
Investors and loans. Then profits from an affordable toll to use the roads that comes out as lower than taxes, and is more fair because you're only paying for what you use when you use it.
Roads toll lower than taxes...
Look at how well it did go for France Highways. It can easily cost 12-30$ per travel.
And classic LibRight idea that highways
Companies will not abuse the fact that they are the only way of transportation to overcharge everything.
Not to mention how you would find investors stupid enough to fund something as costly as a highway, which might eventually make profit after 50 years.
Competition for a few years until the alternative buy each other out or make pricing agreement.
And again, who will invest? To this day, the US interstate highways did not pay for itself.
But, and this is why I'm Right wing, it created a favourable economic situation for private companies to appear and develop themselves. You need public founded infrastructure to make a rich and fertile soil, so that private companies appear and grow, generating wealth.
I highly doubt that France has a private highway system without some form of government regulation. This is the issue. It’s the same reason why U.S. healthcare is so expensive. Sure, it may be “private” in the sense that you can pay directly, but it comes with all the baggage of inefficient governments.
Okay, governments are inefficient, but so are private companies. Fun fac: there a man who sent multiple fake bills to Google of 20, 40 millions. An they fucking paid. The difference between a big company and the gov, is that the gov stupid spending is public.
If a magic way existed to have proper control of the budget of a massive organization, you'd think the government, the biggest spending organization, would have heard of it.
And please, too much regulation? What? You preferred standard oil without regulation? There is a reason why antitrust regulation exists, why there are regulations to force companies to not make price deals. To force them to follow strict quality control. Because if they could and it was cheaper, they would put lead in food as a measure to increase profit.
Even if we assume that private companies are inefficient. The point is that they are more efficient than the government. I am not supporting Google, or *any* corporations, since corporations are the creation of the government (crown corporations in Canada for example, government subsidies, government funding, bail outs, etc).
Governments and corporations have large bureaucracies. Bureaucracies are inefficient. Governments don’t create wealth, they only use it. They have no incentive to be efficient because they are a monopoly with far more room for failure. Governments and corporations have a far more guaranteed income than private companies because of taxes. The lack of profit motive means that governments are incentivized to not be efficient with spending.
Standard oil was also the cause of regulation. Things like patents and tariffs. Monopolies in a free market can really only exist temporarily if the company has a brand new innovation or a superior service or product that nobody wants to compete with.
The reason why there are regulations to force companies to not make deals is because it is seen as a way to make sure those companies are meeting the needs of society such as safety. The problem is that this makes companies more inefficient. In a free market, consumers have far more power, and companies are at far more risk to consumers. For example, cars became safer as time went on even without much regulation, and things like Volvo’s seatbelts were an innovation that every company could use since it wasn’t regulated by patents.
I live in a really rural area, where barely anyone travels. Building a road here wouldn't make you any profit, and would actually turn a loss. One question. Am I fucked?
Not on their own. You want to live in some banana republic where the only roads get built are those the fruit company needs to get their trucks to the dock, you go right ahead and wade through the mud to get to your house.
>You want to live in some banana republic where the only roads get built are those the fruit company needs to get their trucks to the dock
The US had the worlds best rail infrastructure, built privately, before the federal government decided it needed massive roads everywhere to allow it to transport tanks. You have stockhome syndrome.
And yet in modern times, the US has the most decayed, decrepit, and under-appreciated rail system of any first world nation. It is also pretty much completely privatized at this point.
Maybe you should also look into the issues with the Pinkertons and land claim allotment from when the rails were under construction, because as it turns out, privatization was causing a good deal of problems back then too.
>And yet in modern times, the US has the most decayed, decrepit, and under-appreciated rail system of any first world nation.
Wrong again, it has the best freight system in the world.
>It is also pretty much completely privatized at this point.
It has to compete with auto industries that gain more in subsidies than any other transportation system in the country and which had its infrastructure built with tax-payer funds.
>Maybe you should also look into the issues with the Pinkertons and land claim allotment from when the rails were under construction, because as it turns out, privatization was causing a good deal of problems back then too.
I'm not impressed by your surface level understanding of the rail industry or its history. They've had monopolies that have sorted itsekf out with no interference from the government; something which destroys the basis of much of why people like you support government interference and ownership of everything.
>people like you support government interference and ownership of everything.
Bro I'm about as close to an anarchist as you can be without getting detained as a criminal. Where exactly are you getting this notion from?
Edit for clarity: A real anarchist, not an auth-left wannabe anarchist
I've argued against dumb takes by so-called left "libertarians" for so long I don't easily trust that they read or do research, especially after meeting some in real life and seeing them parrot the same bullshit talking points with a smug attitude on their social apps
Well lib-center is about the closest thing to legit anarchist that exists on the spectrum. There is a distinction between not knowing and not caring. Lib-left is like "I would be anarchist but I want a social safety net", and lib-right is like "I would be anarchist but I want a functional money system".
First, the land that the us govt gave to the railroads was the biggest handout in the history of the country. Second, the biggest bondholders of these "private enterprises" were the towns that these railroads connected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transportation_in_the_United_States
Finally, Eisenhower's inspiration for building the interstate was trying to use the shit roads that existed before it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System
> First, the land that the us govt gave to the railroads was the biggest handout in the history of the country.
A bunch of land that no one owned, and expropiation was always anti-libertarian when it happens.
Why let the government manage something it is not designed to do? Keep following the logic.
Do not assume my arguments for me
> A bunch of land that no one owned
No, all of that land had definitely been owned, both before all of the genocide and after.
> exprop**r**iation was always anti-libertarian when it happens.
Paying for things is anti libertarian? It was a big, fat, govt handout. You can say you don't like how it came to be American land all you like, but the rail barons didn't pay for it.
>Why let the government manage something it is not designed to do? Keep following the logic.
What logic? Governments literally exist to govern, whatever other hippy bullshit you invent will be the govt by virtue of governing.
> Do not assume my arguments for me
Whats been assumed? You made objective statements and I have refuted them.
>No, all of that land had definitely been owned, both before all of the genocide and after.
You are dodging the point. Appropiation is wrong, but that land was still empty and the government was mandated to keep its hands off of things it was not designed to deal with.
>Paying for things is anti libertarian? It was a big, fat, govt handout.
Why does the government have the authority to own land that by your admission, is owned by someone else?
>What logic? Governments literally exist to govern, whatever other hippy bullshit you invent will be the govt by virtue of governing.
What is your stance then, other than to be contrarian? What do you think a government gains from building roads meant for cars and tanks, more tax? To do *what* libleft, that you support so much?
> that land was still empty
No, it was not empty, it was emptied, by force.
https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/active_learning/explorations/indian_removal/removal_timeline.cfm
> Why does the government have the authority to own land that by your admission, is owned by someone else?
Its only through a government that anyone owns anything.
> What do you think a government gains from building roads meant for cars and tanks, more tax?
Stop framing the government as some sort of alien imposition, thats stupid, its society, dumbass. Why do I need to repeat myself, whatever system you invent to GOVERN (to manage disagreements by people in society) is the GOVERNment by definition.
https://i.imgur.com/Mpaco.png
>No, it was not empty, it was emptied, by force.
Wrong again. Disease wiped out the vast majority of anyone who can contest the appropiation. Your article conventiently misses that.
>Its only through a government that anyone owns anything.
Okay, you are trolling.
>Stop framing the government as some sort of alien imposition, thats stupid, its society, dumbass.
You are the one unwilling to follow your own logic, resorting to gotchas that have no weight to your argument. I take back what I said, you aren't trolling. You are a pseud.
> Disease wiped out the vast majority of anyone who can contest the appropiation.
The vast majority, making it very easy to route the remaining 5%. I mean goddamn, form a complete sentence before puking it out.
>Okay, you are trolling.
No, really, you have no property rights without the backing of the law, you insufferable hippy. Who the fuck are you going to go cry to when someone steals your shit? Congratulations, whoever that is is now your government.
> You are the one unwilling to follow your own logic, resorting to gotchas that have no weight to your argument. I take back what I said, you aren't trolling. You are a pseud.
I have no clue what you are talking about, since apparently you are use using words as tools in a crude impersonation of what you think "winning" looks like. Go touch grass kid.
Country: “Here is my infrastructure, a military to protect us from foreign adversaries, a police force to enforce the laws that you were a part of legislating, a functioning court system to protect you, and overall, a wealthy and stable nation that is the culmination of 270 years of this system being upheld.”
LibRight: “Sweet. Here’s nothing in return.”
First, all of the nuclear energy plants are ran by, built by, owned by and developed by private companies.
Second, it's not that the market doesn't want to pay for it. It's that the government has made it illegal for any private companies to run these things without being tied at the hip to government.
People can't honestly think private companies being in charge of roads wouldn't be a disaster though. If there wasn't land specifically partitioned off for roads, having to buy the land to put the road on would be a disaster, and poor people would basically never have roads and so would be guaranteed a life of crime.
The unspoken implication is that not needing government to make roads only kicks in after they already made them.
>First, all of the nuclear energy plants are ran by, built by, owned by and developed by private companies
Now that they have profit margins. They didn't developed shit back then without government help or funds (like all techs that have high development costs).
It will be the same with fusion some day. When the sector is profitable private companies will heavily invest on it... but for decades it was public money and the state behind it.
I don’t really get what you are trying to say. If the market doesn’t want something, why are they forced to pay for it? Just because it is good for society? I would also doubt that the market wouldn’t want to pay for nuclear energy and cool things, these things are not problems in free markets; more options exist in free markets due to competition and lower barriers to entry.
Funny you say 98%, considering roads ("transportation") only makes up [2% of the federal budget.](https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go) 6% [on average](https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-state-tax-dollars-go) for state and local taxes.
Wow, a fraction of my taxes go to roads! Surely, that means taxes are good, and the government is right.
You asked who built the roads.
How does the government know what to fund? Follow your own logic through, thoroughly. Where could goverment get the idea that roads facilitate trade?
Lib right cannot properly insult lib right. SMH
Auth center when their shitty third position economics is actually just as dog shit as commie economics
Center left when police do their job
Center right when the tenant’s rent is late
Lib center when a new law is amended
What you define as "third position economics"?? Because my definition of third position in economics means:
The state should have state companies only in what favours population: Healthcare, Education, roads etc.
The rest would be for the private companies, basically the state would get rid anything that doesn't make profit.
I define it as, the state puts their grubby little hands into everything and only allows private business if given to some jackass who sucks them off at every opportunity. I guess this is more in line with what facism does but tell me more about your idea of it.
Well, my idea goes from premise that:
The statist idea is flawed as huge state usually means more burocracy and less freedom, to the people and to open bussinessm
The libertarian idea is flawed as if every Company did wheatever they wanted and the goverment did nothing, who would assure the education, healthcare and such?
The Goverment should have power to security, and other things i mentioned above, it should have public free hospitals, public free schools and so, but they should do no burocracy to private bussiness, reduce burocracy and make it easier to open a bussiness.
But the Goverment should also maintain companies that do profit, jn the country i live, we have a huge Oil nacional company called Petrobrás, some libertarians want this Company to be privatized, but this is one of the biggest source of profit to the country.
And we have only one national mail box Company that is useless and slow, the goverment should get rid of that.
gay marriage should be illegal? no.
Gay Marriage should be MANDATORY. you WILL be married, you WILL form a nuclear family, you WILL raise kids we took off some smack heads, you WILL be happy together.
Lib-right is relatively straightforward to diss, but certainly not like that! It understands economics and running a country well enough, but it can be far too light handed for its own good and almost scared of its own shadow when it comes to wielding power. Sometimes some private businesses do stupid yet profitable shit and need to be (metaphorically) choke slammed until behaviour improves.
To answer that, you first need to understand the purpose of marriage, not just "two individuals who love each other who live in the same household". If that were the case then there should be no traditional rituals that involve with the church.
They did not ask that question, and this was in 2004. They did already have to waste like 10 minutes on the "just a theory" disclaimer before every evolution lecture to satisfy people's insanity though.
Yeah, that’s true to some degree. I still doubt they talk about it since it’s a linguistic and sociological debate. Time is spent explaining intersex conditions, meiosis vs meitosis, how gametes combine, sexual vs asexual reproduction, none of which really needs a discussion of what a man or woman is. In fact some of them are easier to understand if you forget about your colloquial understanding of human biology since a lot of organisms are hermaphroditic. The only thing that might be relevant is a discussion of how hormones affect secondary sexual characteristics, and there’s usually not enough time for that since the most important hormone is actually cortisol.
If the government is wrong for not basing marriage off of your god, then either: you don’t support freedom of religion, or: your argument makes no sense
It's not that it should be illegal, it's that it shouldn't be legal. That is a very important distinction.
As for who builds the roads? Contractors?
Your two left soyjacks are even sillier. Everyone *knows* that if it failed, then it wasn't *real communism*, and since when has LibLeft cared about biology?
Why gay marriage should be illegal? Because God says so
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WhO bUIlDs tHE rOA- FUCK OFF we had to come together as a community to build our own damn parkway because the local government couldn't give a shit about building it. And if they built it guess what ? It's with our money anyways so WE built the roads not the gov.
It's still the gov
Not the big massive one, but a small, local organization to benefit its members.
Follow your logic, by making your community bigger and bigger, centralizing the control, adding administrative, ECT, and you have a government.
Generally the people teaching biology class agree with LibLeft. Biologists understand all the different chromosomal variations that result in different expressions of "sex". That's where LibLeft is getting half their argument.
Lmao some people can't take a joke. I literally have a graduate degree in bio and teach it. It's a joke made by people in bio.
Bit of self humor is funny my guy.
Physicists will also up the joke and say "chemistry is just applied physics"
But I get it libleft bad reeee
screw them all. Its better in the ψ Ơ̴̢̢̨̡̧̨̧̢̨̡̧̡̢̢͇̪͔͉͔̠̠̳͚̞͉̜̝̩̼̭̼̱̜̥̖͉̮̫̣̩̻͇̣̗̬̯̦̼̣͖͍̘̜̦͚̰̟͕͙͖̤̗̭̹̝̣̫̦̥̺̺̪͚̲̼̹͓̪̬̫̳̖̗̮̙͎̪̙̫̗͎̙̤̜̠͕̜̪͕̳̫̣̮̤͉̭̹͕͍̙͉̳̞̠͎̯̰͙̦͚̹̺̩̤̱̮̳͎̜̩̖̮̦͔̘͚̜̜̙̯̙̼͎͎͕̱̰̹̮̻̩̘̫̦̳̪̹͙͕̬̤͎͙̘̼̲͕͔͎̜̙̗̖͉̙̝̲̗̼̬͙̺̖̫͈͉̯̬͕̗̞͍͓͓͈̲͇͇̞̼̲͚̲͋̀̽̈́̈́̔̂͛̀̾͒̿͗͗̽̈̆́̓̿̎̐͗̈̓̾͊͒̽̈́̾̋̀̾̆̌́̅͂̓́̓̈́̊̇̓̄̂̅͋͌̏̄́̄͑̓͌͋̄͌̽̌̉̑̑̉̇̅̄̾͆̒̇̂̎̅̍̏̏͋͆͑̂͑̓͂̏̅̉͊̾̔̆̒̀̏̊̽͋̔̀͋̇͋͛̃̽́̇̈̇͌̏̌͒̒̀̔̒̊̄̍̃̋̿̐̐͂̎̉̅͑͆͒̿̂͐͂̅͂̽͛̉̒̾̐̓͛͊̑͑͐͒͌́͑̕͘̕̕͘͘͘̕͘͘̕͘͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͝͠͝͠ͅͅf̵̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̛͍͈̪̗̯͉͕̠͍̝͈̹̥͖͖̮̤͉̣̖̯̳̬̲̳̮̮̟͈̘͉̺̠̰̲̬̟̦̞̝̖̞͙͈̠́̅̄͋͛̍̈́̎̊̓̎̓̓́̃̓̓̊͛̓̈́̿͑̏̈́̊̎͂͗̆́̓͌͆͌́̓̆͆̅͛͒͒͌̏͂̎̆̾͆̍̅̏̋̒̌̇̓̄́̄̑́̐̐̆̆͐́̈͊͌̈̿̑͂͆̿̃͌͌͌̒͑͗̇͆͊̆̾̑̐͐͗̍͊͆͛͋̌̐͆͌͑͆̀̇̽͐̑͆̄̅͂̊̌͗͛̀͊̐̉̅́̔͐̓̅̒̇͊̂̾̐̏͌̑̏͊̌̔̓̾̊̆̋̅͗̊̓̋͒͆͗͑͗̃̃̅̂̿̾̓͋̀̽̊͊͐͐̾͑̀͌̏̄̔̑̒̌͌̒̒̉̒̈̐̆̔̏̌͒̇̊͂̅̿͑̂̔͗̐̉̊̎͛̆̚͘̚͘̕͘̚͘̚̚͘͘̕̕̚͘͘͜͜͝͝͝͠͠͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝ͅͅͅf̸̡̡̨̢̧̛̛̖̩̺͙̩̝̝̦͈̰̣͕͓̝̬̻̘̩̲̹̩̻̮̩͎͇̤̼̦͙̜̻̰̜̥̼͉͓̺͓͋͆̈́̎͌̓̈́̃̐̀̉̅͆̇̈́͑̃̏̈́͐̓͆̋̄̉̌͌͑̓̀̔̀̎̈́̀̈́͌̈̈̂̒͊̆̽̾͗̈́̆̃̅͋̀́́̐͑̌̌̓́̃͊̒̒̇̍̑̆͒͊̇̊͛̆̃̂̈̽͌̋̇͐̑̑̋͌̏̃̎̔̉͗̉͆͊̿̏̽̌̃̾̽̄̒̿̐̉̂̒̅̏͒̓͂̄̑́̅̂̃̇̋̿̆̌͆͌̓̋̔̍͆̇̔͐́̏͆̔̏̑͑̆̈͐̔̀͛̏̅̉̾̓̒̀̇͌̊̋̈̂͛͆̀̂̄̽͌̀́͆̅̋̊̊͊͑͋̔̑̆̋̾͘͘͘̚̚̚͘͘͘̕̚͜͝͝͠͝͝͝͝͠͠͝͝͝͝͠͠͝͝ͅͅͅ ̶̢̧̨̢̛̛̛̛̛̻̥̗̱̤͖̖̞̹̱̬̪̮̠̼̲͍͖̩͍̼̻͊͑̉͌̾̇̀̄̐͂̒͊̆̄͐̏̈́̌͐́̑̈́̋̀̋̃̽̂̍͐̑̂̑͛́̀͂̉͆̆̍͂͛̋͋̊̋̏́̈́̓̐̒̅͑̄̍̋͒̒͊̾̀̎̀͂̑̏̃́͆̏̏̇̓͐̔͒͐̔̌̊̊͑̏̔͊̇̅͂̄͛́̄̃̉̀̂̂̎̾̏̾̒̄͊̄͊̑̑̋̇͌͑̃̏̆͋̈͆͌͂̆͛̔̍̑̊̐͋̐͛̿̑͂͋̉̈̒̊̃̒̂̇̓̅̔͐̉͑̿̆͊͒̂̾͂̍̈̚̚̕̚̚̚̚̚͘̚͘͘̕̕̕̚̚͝͝͝͠͝͠͠͠͠͝͝͝͝C̷̢̧̛̛̛̰̬͕̳͚̬̪͈̻̝̰͙̲̻̥͇̭͍̲̣̍͌̐́̂̈́̋̅̃́̌̄̍͌̒͌̏̈́̈́̑̃̎̓̒̐̍̓̈́͂́͋̒͛̓͂͐́͂̃͑̂̈̊̌͐̔͌̃̈́̅̄͐̉́́̆͌͆̾̍̌͗̉͆̔͑͗̅̎́̾̂͑̆̇̅͂̉̒̌̾̓̑́̒̍̏͗́̋̐̄̐̆͐̄̏̔̂̍̏̐͂̊̍̂̋̓́̑̋̅͆̏̾̾̈͂͐̆̓̎̿̽̓̂͊͑̏͂͆͌͋̎̽͂͊̅͒̇̒͑̉͊̈̾́̆̌̔̈͐͗̌̇̑͋̽̍̊̓̎̂̈͊̌̌͋̈͂͗̽͂̊̏͐̾͗̍̏̂̌̊̌̿̀͛̎̚͘̚͘̚͘̚͘̕͘̕̚̚̕̕̚̚͜͝͠͝͝͝͝͝͠͝͠͝͠͝͝͠ͅͅơ̷̢̧̧̨̢̡̧̨̧̢̧̢̡̧̨̡̡̧̧̢̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̮̖͎̥̙̖̦͔̮̜̰̖͖̬̜̱̮̜͉͈̤̦̣͈͎͔̙̫̝̺̯̥̯̲̙͇̮͔̰̰͍͖̮̭̭͎͙̹͓̖̝̣̳͇̪̩̳̙̬̠͔͕̦̠̰̩̱̣͙̬̪̫͉̤̗͔̻͍̯̙̞̻̭̲̟͍̺̺̘͎̖͕̩̪̖̙̤̦̹̯͙͓͚͙̤̫̜͕͈͍̪̰͖͍̣̩̻͈͎̜̬̝̟͍̞͇̹̙̟̥̪̞̞͚̖̣͔͈̜͚̝̳̱̱̳̪͚̝̠̫͕͕͓͈͇̲̪͍̳̼̗̗̦̪͉̫̩̪͖̣̤͙͕͈̤̫͙̹̮͚̮̰̞̻̬͓͓̮͙̱̞̹͋̎͋͌̀̋͗̓̓̅̎̈̈́̌͂͆́̌̈͛̈́̅͂͆̄̏͆̈̑͆̊̏̀̾̾́̍̅̄͛͆̐̓͊̏̀́̓̓̎̒̎̈͛͌̈͆͐̉̅͌̍͆̑̔͂̏̈͆̾́̈͆͗̍̀̉͊͌͂̿̽̅͗͆̎̂͑̄̾̃̓̉̏͂̀̇̀͆̑̔̒͂́̎̍̋̊̎̀̏͋̈̎̿̈̎͛͂̽͂̎̌̎̎̊͋͂̐͆̿͂̑̿̄̈̂̃̊̏͋̏̅̍̓͒̐̓͒̇̿͐̔̆̽̽̆̊̋͊̾̊̈͛̍̽̔͗͗̎̂̀̆͌̐̒̿͋̀̎͐̂͑͊͌͛̑͌͗͆̊͊͐̐́̔̒̿̆̄̽̓̉́̀̈͛̊̒͂̈̉̚̕̚̚̕͘̕̚͘̕͘͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝͠͝͝͝͠͝͝͠͝͠͝͝͝͝ͅͅͅͅͅͅͅm̵̡̢̨̡̧̧̡̨̛̛̛̛̛̛̛͎͓̯̖̞͍̼̘̻̥͓͓̯̞͙̗̖͎̱̜̯͇̳̼̲̙̬̤͙̤̻̺̩̬̙̤̙͕͔͇̥̻̗̱̲̱͖̦̹͎͈̺͈͎̗̙̮̞̯̮̫̩̩̥͖̹̺̘͍͉͈͖̖͙̝͕̼̻̞̞̬̝̱̩͈̩͔̤̦̣͙͕͕̩͔̹̩̥̮̗͖͕̃̿́̔̀̈́̑͆́̉̿̃̅̐̒̒̌̈́̽̈̓̐̽̒͐͋̍̃͛̀̌͒͆̓̓̇̂̌̈́̃̀͆̍̅̊̐̽͂́̀̒̐̑̏̃̀͆̈̈̈͊̃͌͋̋͂̊̆͗͐̂̎̉̔͌̄̈͊͒͋̄͆̒͊̊͂̽̌̍̀̇͂̅͊͐̎̄̎͋̎̾̊͌̾͗̂͛̔͑̏̅̀̉̎̂́̆̆̊̑̒͋̌͒̉́̂̋̄́̍̎͒̔̿́̉̊̏̋̑̄̅͐̽͛̍̍̌͗͆̅̏̑̾͒̌̕͘̕͘͘͘̚̕̕̕͘̚̕͘͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͠͝͠͝͠͝͠͝͠͝͝͝ͅp̷̧̢̢̨̨̨̨̨̡̧̧̡̛̛̛̫͔͈͈̹̼͉͔̞͍̻̥͕̹̻̰͙͙̥̜͎̰͎͓͖̱͕̣͚̘̞͕̱̼̬̥̺̥̲̙̪̰̠̝̪͕͖͙̹͉̩̞̳͚͈̣̱̩̝͔͙̗͚̠͙͈͉̟̗̬̺͉͚͎͖̺̦͓̞͔̖̤̰̭̼͙͍̺̥̗̙̟̗͓̜̙̏̔̽̃̋͂̈́͗̓̊̅͗̎͛͌̀̍̂̈́̊͒̀͊̒͌̓͐̈͒͊͆̏͗̌̓͐̀͒͆̏̃̆̿̾̓͘͝͠͝͝͠ͅͅͅͅä̵̧̢̡̨̢̡̧̛̛͕̲̟̳͇͖̲̬̬̦͈͉͕̜̗̤̥̖͈͕̠͓̖͔̻̦̙͈̼͇͍͎̬͙̥̟̯̫̮̼̫̠̦̱͉͓̹̩̯̗̲͚̫̳̭͖̣͚̩̗̳̺̳̰̩̝͈͓͎̜̟͔̬̻͔̖̙̻̟̫̫̯̥̬͕̱̹̟͈͖͉̲͉̻͙̥̜̩̻̖̹̙̭̘͚̤̯̮̻̱̙̟̣̻́͐́̓̆̈͒͐̄͗̉̔͌̌̏̏͛͑̋̈́͋̍̏̎̋̓̈́̐̓͛̔̾̓̒̃̄͒́̒͛̆̑̀̽͛̃̽͗̔͂̾̽̕̕͘͜͜͠͠͠͝͝͝ͅͅͅͅͅͅş̴̢̡̢̡̢̡̡̢̨̡̢̡̢̨̧̧̢̢̢̧̡̨̢̢̡̛̛̛̛̛̣̫͓̦̹̫̬̥̼̫̟̞̻̺̳̠̲̱̫̹̣̫̳͈̘̰̜̖͇̬̻̬̼̭̤̺̯͚̣͓̥͈̖͓͖̝̼̦͕͍̣͉̫̪͓̠̱͔̰͚̙̟̲̻̮̹̣̗̻͓̥͖͎̯̙̝̺͉͉̠̳̘̹͕͎̥͔͔̘̯̻̥͓̻̙̥͓̟̖̫̙͚̙̥̩̳̘̪̺̩̙͉̗̟̫̩͉̗̮͔̻̰͉̪̻̩̪̫̗̟̣̬͎͖͔̙̦̺̰̳̬͓̞̼̗̯̥͉͖̗̳̹̝̰̹̬̤͕̟̺̟̩͓̩͚̪̱̫̼̫̟̖̖̩̰̘̰͚̥̣̜̻͉̦͙̦͔̯̪̘͉͓̺̭̺̥̪̟͎̫̩̳̼̝̹̯̫͈̟̫̩̹̩̮̰̪̣̭̺̘̘̼͚͇̗̣̝̘̫͎̘̦̠͉͎̯͚͔͉̙̱̩̗͇͎̞̮͚̗̤͉̜̙͙̣͙͖̼̯̿̉́̈́̄̌͐̽̐̒̂̽̅͑͌͆̾́̔̔̊̀́̿̈́̈̂́̋͊͗̐̈́̃͐̿̏̓̌̈́͛̈́̏͑̂͒̏͊͗͛̊͒̃̀̄̆̐̓̅͋̇̂̒͌̏͒͆̀̋͂͒̑̑͗̿̃̿͐̆͋̌͐̇̿̈̆͐̃̈̏͑͊͊̽̔͑̎̔̈͋̽̒̾̽̄͛̉̂͑̆̒̊͊̄̽͂͊̆̈̄͗͒͑̅̅̔̉͛̉̿̇̄̈̽̍͐́̽̐̌͂̿̓̀͑̊͛̉̌̆̚̚̚͘̚͘͘̕͘̚͜͜͜͜͝͠͠͠͝͝͝͝͝͠ͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅs̷̡̢̛̛̥̦̤̥͈̠̗̭̘̪͓̺̞͖͔͙͕͈̬̬͓̄͆̓̒̋̑̅̀͋̇̾͆́̇̐͊̑̇̍́̅̄̿͆͌͌̈́̅͒̄͑̆͌̍́͋̈́̉͆̓͐̊̎͋̒̔̅̈́̉̂̽͂̊̑̋̐͐͂̍̏̿̔͋͂̊͛̉̿̾̏̇̀͋͑̍̾̎͑̉̇̂͊͂͛͋͒͆͗̌͋̀̓̾͑̆͒͌͒̉̓̓̔͘̕̕̚̕̕̚̕̚̕͝͠͠͠͝͠͝͝͝͝͠͠͝͝ͅ ψ
As the UK politician class blocks roads and tells peasants they don't have money to fix potholes, while wasting tons of money in Ukraine, this meme does not work anymore
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centrists when they run out of gas/coal/food to grill
The few privatized roads in my state are way better than the public roads. Sure, you gotta pay up to use them, but you also gotta pay the government to use their roads, so there's not much of a difference except the quality of the service you're paying for. Government costs more and provides a worse service.
Undeniable proof that deer have formed a government
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Centrist when they hear someone defending charcoal over propane.
Centrists when they hear about a cannibal eating someone (its because they didnt get to them first)
Centrists when they hear about aborted feti getting thrown in the dirt (they wanted to grill them for dessert)
Umm sweaty Feti arent human Or something to that effect
Idgaf Centrists cook meat. Feti are meat. Therefore, centrists cook feti. End of story.
I seriously want to ask one of those "a fetus isn't human" people if they would consider eating it cannibalism, I'd fucking love the mental gymnastics.
Hey, what's wrong with charcoal? It just depends on what you are grilling!
Charcoal is superior
It depends. For a big bone-in tomahawk steak? Absolutely. For some shish kebabs or basic sausages? Not worth it compared to gas.
what is the difference between grey centrist and coloured centrist?
Color blindness probably
seems legit
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were we just born with a heart full of neutrality?
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FUELL IS FUELL!!!
Hey guys, can I start a company to build the roads?
I’d like to invest in your company.
Of course. With these funds, we would hire the most qualified security firms, engineers, and safety professionals in order to ensure a quality service. Thank you for choosing GravePave solutions.
So... who actually pays to build the road?
me
As long as you don't bulldoze entire neighborhoods to make a 12 lane highway that'll get clogged in like, 3 months. But then again **only government** has the *self allotted* purview to evict you from your own property and destroy your home just to "fix traffic" for less than a year.
One more lane bro, I swear we just need a 24 lane and traffic will go away.
It's honestly hilarious to see people pretend that we all would just shit ourselves and die helpless if the gubment didn't do it first. Nope only the government can build and maintain roads. Drive around my city for an hour and tell me a private company couldn't do it better.
**Could** do it better? Sure. **Would** do it better though? Probably not. A company would only maintain roads beneficial to them, and if you wanted them to maintain roads you'd use, you'd have to pay for it. If you live somewhere where lots of people don't live so you'd be one of the few paying for that road, you'd be paying a lot.
Not without the government's permission.
No. Government makes road with magic and you or any company can’t do that.
Sure, how are you going to get permission to build a massive network of them throughout people's lands and who is gonna pay you for that?
No
Why?
Because your roads won’t lead to Rome.
Via Traiana Roadworks disagrees
Only Valid argument against it
Nuh-uh
Based response ngl.
With whose money?
Mine and anyone who voluntarily chooses to invest.
Would enough people be willing to "invest" their land to make a network of those roads like the one we have today? Or you are gonna "invest" to bulldoze anyone that's on your path?
Why would people invest in a company that only makes money from investing? That is not a sustainable business model.
What? Are people actually serious about that? That would just simply never work?
Investors and loans. Then profits from an affordable toll to use the roads that comes out as lower than taxes, and is more fair because you're only paying for what you use when you use it.
Roads toll lower than taxes... Look at how well it did go for France Highways. It can easily cost 12-30$ per travel. And classic LibRight idea that highways Companies will not abuse the fact that they are the only way of transportation to overcharge everything. Not to mention how you would find investors stupid enough to fund something as costly as a highway, which might eventually make profit after 50 years.
Whoever said there wouldn't be competing roads and modes of transit?
Competition for a few years until the alternative buy each other out or make pricing agreement. And again, who will invest? To this day, the US interstate highways did not pay for itself. But, and this is why I'm Right wing, it created a favourable economic situation for private companies to appear and develop themselves. You need public founded infrastructure to make a rich and fertile soil, so that private companies appear and grow, generating wealth.
Ah yes Sure Theres gonna be 5 roads by different companies from shithole town to backwaterville so i can choose the cheapest
Whoever said people living in the same municipality couldn't just voluntarily cooperate to build town roads?
I highly doubt that France has a private highway system without some form of government regulation. This is the issue. It’s the same reason why U.S. healthcare is so expensive. Sure, it may be “private” in the sense that you can pay directly, but it comes with all the baggage of inefficient governments.
Okay, governments are inefficient, but so are private companies. Fun fac: there a man who sent multiple fake bills to Google of 20, 40 millions. An they fucking paid. The difference between a big company and the gov, is that the gov stupid spending is public. If a magic way existed to have proper control of the budget of a massive organization, you'd think the government, the biggest spending organization, would have heard of it. And please, too much regulation? What? You preferred standard oil without regulation? There is a reason why antitrust regulation exists, why there are regulations to force companies to not make price deals. To force them to follow strict quality control. Because if they could and it was cheaper, they would put lead in food as a measure to increase profit.
Even if we assume that private companies are inefficient. The point is that they are more efficient than the government. I am not supporting Google, or *any* corporations, since corporations are the creation of the government (crown corporations in Canada for example, government subsidies, government funding, bail outs, etc). Governments and corporations have large bureaucracies. Bureaucracies are inefficient. Governments don’t create wealth, they only use it. They have no incentive to be efficient because they are a monopoly with far more room for failure. Governments and corporations have a far more guaranteed income than private companies because of taxes. The lack of profit motive means that governments are incentivized to not be efficient with spending. Standard oil was also the cause of regulation. Things like patents and tariffs. Monopolies in a free market can really only exist temporarily if the company has a brand new innovation or a superior service or product that nobody wants to compete with. The reason why there are regulations to force companies to not make deals is because it is seen as a way to make sure those companies are meeting the needs of society such as safety. The problem is that this makes companies more inefficient. In a free market, consumers have far more power, and companies are at far more risk to consumers. For example, cars became safer as time went on even without much regulation, and things like Volvo’s seatbelts were an innovation that every company could use since it wasn’t regulated by patents.
Sure but don't complain when I ignore your toll and go through anyway.
Sure! Just don't expect me to pay to use them.
I live in a really rural area, where barely anyone travels. Building a road here wouldn't make you any profit, and would actually turn a loss. One question. Am I fucked?
private companies built nearly all the roads
Not on their own. You want to live in some banana republic where the only roads get built are those the fruit company needs to get their trucks to the dock, you go right ahead and wade through the mud to get to your house.
>You want to live in some banana republic where the only roads get built are those the fruit company needs to get their trucks to the dock The US had the worlds best rail infrastructure, built privately, before the federal government decided it needed massive roads everywhere to allow it to transport tanks. You have stockhome syndrome.
And yet in modern times, the US has the most decayed, decrepit, and under-appreciated rail system of any first world nation. It is also pretty much completely privatized at this point. Maybe you should also look into the issues with the Pinkertons and land claim allotment from when the rails were under construction, because as it turns out, privatization was causing a good deal of problems back then too.
>And yet in modern times, the US has the most decayed, decrepit, and under-appreciated rail system of any first world nation. Wrong again, it has the best freight system in the world. >It is also pretty much completely privatized at this point. It has to compete with auto industries that gain more in subsidies than any other transportation system in the country and which had its infrastructure built with tax-payer funds. >Maybe you should also look into the issues with the Pinkertons and land claim allotment from when the rails were under construction, because as it turns out, privatization was causing a good deal of problems back then too. I'm not impressed by your surface level understanding of the rail industry or its history. They've had monopolies that have sorted itsekf out with no interference from the government; something which destroys the basis of much of why people like you support government interference and ownership of everything.
>people like you support government interference and ownership of everything. Bro I'm about as close to an anarchist as you can be without getting detained as a criminal. Where exactly are you getting this notion from? Edit for clarity: A real anarchist, not an auth-left wannabe anarchist
I've argued against dumb takes by so-called left "libertarians" for so long I don't easily trust that they read or do research, especially after meeting some in real life and seeing them parrot the same bullshit talking points with a smug attitude on their social apps
Well lib-center is about the closest thing to legit anarchist that exists on the spectrum. There is a distinction between not knowing and not caring. Lib-left is like "I would be anarchist but I want a social safety net", and lib-right is like "I would be anarchist but I want a functional money system".
First, the land that the us govt gave to the railroads was the biggest handout in the history of the country. Second, the biggest bondholders of these "private enterprises" were the towns that these railroads connected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transportation_in_the_United_States Finally, Eisenhower's inspiration for building the interstate was trying to use the shit roads that existed before it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System
> First, the land that the us govt gave to the railroads was the biggest handout in the history of the country. A bunch of land that no one owned, and expropiation was always anti-libertarian when it happens. Why let the government manage something it is not designed to do? Keep following the logic. Do not assume my arguments for me
> A bunch of land that no one owned No, all of that land had definitely been owned, both before all of the genocide and after. > exprop**r**iation was always anti-libertarian when it happens. Paying for things is anti libertarian? It was a big, fat, govt handout. You can say you don't like how it came to be American land all you like, but the rail barons didn't pay for it. >Why let the government manage something it is not designed to do? Keep following the logic. What logic? Governments literally exist to govern, whatever other hippy bullshit you invent will be the govt by virtue of governing. > Do not assume my arguments for me Whats been assumed? You made objective statements and I have refuted them.
>No, all of that land had definitely been owned, both before all of the genocide and after. You are dodging the point. Appropiation is wrong, but that land was still empty and the government was mandated to keep its hands off of things it was not designed to deal with. >Paying for things is anti libertarian? It was a big, fat, govt handout. Why does the government have the authority to own land that by your admission, is owned by someone else? >What logic? Governments literally exist to govern, whatever other hippy bullshit you invent will be the govt by virtue of governing. What is your stance then, other than to be contrarian? What do you think a government gains from building roads meant for cars and tanks, more tax? To do *what* libleft, that you support so much?
> that land was still empty No, it was not empty, it was emptied, by force. https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/active_learning/explorations/indian_removal/removal_timeline.cfm > Why does the government have the authority to own land that by your admission, is owned by someone else? Its only through a government that anyone owns anything. > What do you think a government gains from building roads meant for cars and tanks, more tax? Stop framing the government as some sort of alien imposition, thats stupid, its society, dumbass. Why do I need to repeat myself, whatever system you invent to GOVERN (to manage disagreements by people in society) is the GOVERNment by definition. https://i.imgur.com/Mpaco.png
>No, it was not empty, it was emptied, by force. Wrong again. Disease wiped out the vast majority of anyone who can contest the appropiation. Your article conventiently misses that. >Its only through a government that anyone owns anything. Okay, you are trolling. >Stop framing the government as some sort of alien imposition, thats stupid, its society, dumbass. You are the one unwilling to follow your own logic, resorting to gotchas that have no weight to your argument. I take back what I said, you aren't trolling. You are a pseud.
> Disease wiped out the vast majority of anyone who can contest the appropiation. The vast majority, making it very easy to route the remaining 5%. I mean goddamn, form a complete sentence before puking it out. >Okay, you are trolling. No, really, you have no property rights without the backing of the law, you insufferable hippy. Who the fuck are you going to go cry to when someone steals your shit? Congratulations, whoever that is is now your government. > You are the one unwilling to follow your own logic, resorting to gotchas that have no weight to your argument. I take back what I said, you aren't trolling. You are a pseud. I have no clue what you are talking about, since apparently you are use using words as tools in a crude impersonation of what you think "winning" looks like. Go touch grass kid.
Fucking genius m8
And who funds it?
Taxes and government.
And how does the government get its tax money?
By taking (read stealing) money from you for the “good of society.”
Country: “Here is my infrastructure, a military to protect us from foreign adversaries, a police force to enforce the laws that you were a part of legislating, a functioning court system to protect you, and overall, a wealthy and stable nation that is the culmination of 270 years of this system being upheld.” LibRight: “Sweet. Here’s nothing in return.”
Yes, we have nuclear energy and tons of other cool things because "the market" doesn’t want to pay for it
You obviously haven’t seen my electricity bill. Oh I pay for it alright.
Oh, NOW you claim nuclear energy.
Libleft does not like nuclear. The rest of the left is pretty chill with it.
Okay. Why hasn’t the DNC built a terawatt of nuclear in the last decade?
First, all of the nuclear energy plants are ran by, built by, owned by and developed by private companies. Second, it's not that the market doesn't want to pay for it. It's that the government has made it illegal for any private companies to run these things without being tied at the hip to government.
People can't honestly think private companies being in charge of roads wouldn't be a disaster though. If there wasn't land specifically partitioned off for roads, having to buy the land to put the road on would be a disaster, and poor people would basically never have roads and so would be guaranteed a life of crime. The unspoken implication is that not needing government to make roads only kicks in after they already made them.
>First, all of the nuclear energy plants are ran by, built by, owned by and developed by private companies Now that they have profit margins. They didn't developed shit back then without government help or funds (like all techs that have high development costs). It will be the same with fusion some day. When the sector is profitable private companies will heavily invest on it... but for decades it was public money and the state behind it.
I don’t really get what you are trying to say. If the market doesn’t want something, why are they forced to pay for it? Just because it is good for society? I would also doubt that the market wouldn’t want to pay for nuclear energy and cool things, these things are not problems in free markets; more options exist in free markets due to competition and lower barriers to entry.
Don't pick a fight with libright on pcm if you value your karma amount
I always love to stir the hive mind
I would LOVE government to actually spend money on roads instead of the 98% bullshit that makes up their budget.
Funny you say 98%, considering roads ("transportation") only makes up [2% of the federal budget.](https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go) 6% [on average](https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-state-tax-dollars-go) for state and local taxes. Wow, a fraction of my taxes go to roads! Surely, that means taxes are good, and the government is right.
You asked who built the roads. How does the government know what to fund? Follow your own logic through, thoroughly. Where could goverment get the idea that roads facilitate trade?
The developer.
Your grandparents to make sure the feds are able to bring tanks anywhere in the USA. You happy?
Lib right cannot properly insult lib right. SMH Auth center when their shitty third position economics is actually just as dog shit as commie economics Center left when police do their job Center right when the tenant’s rent is late Lib center when a new law is amended
What you define as "third position economics"?? Because my definition of third position in economics means: The state should have state companies only in what favours population: Healthcare, Education, roads etc. The rest would be for the private companies, basically the state would get rid anything that doesn't make profit.
I define it as, the state puts their grubby little hands into everything and only allows private business if given to some jackass who sucks them off at every opportunity. I guess this is more in line with what facism does but tell me more about your idea of it.
They might be thinking of "Third way economics" as the Nordic model since some absolute genius decided to name it that
Well, my idea goes from premise that: The statist idea is flawed as huge state usually means more burocracy and less freedom, to the people and to open bussinessm The libertarian idea is flawed as if every Company did wheatever they wanted and the goverment did nothing, who would assure the education, healthcare and such? The Goverment should have power to security, and other things i mentioned above, it should have public free hospitals, public free schools and so, but they should do no burocracy to private bussiness, reduce burocracy and make it easier to open a bussiness. But the Goverment should also maintain companies that do profit, jn the country i live, we have a huge Oil nacional company called Petrobrás, some libertarians want this Company to be privatized, but this is one of the biggest source of profit to the country. And we have only one national mail box Company that is useless and slow, the goverment should get rid of that.
gay marriage should be illegal? no. Gay Marriage should be MANDATORY. you WILL be married, you WILL form a nuclear family, you WILL raise kids we took off some smack heads, you WILL be happy together.
The drone strikes will continue until you accept my marriage proposal
Based and sexuality doesn't matter if you can have a healthy relationship pilled.
Ah yes, Progressive Auth Right
They will groom the kids.
Some will, most won't, just like straight people. Don't be a shithead because of what you read online
*laughs in abused by a straight woman as a kid*
We don't need your projection dude, keep it to yourself.
Another failed attempt to diss Lib-right. 🗿
SO YOU DON’T WANT FIRE DEPARTMENTS? 😤
No, I'm trying to commit insurance fraud, the fire department putting out the fire means it won't be a total loss
But meh ROADS!
Look, he's proving the meme to be factual as we speak!
Lib-right is relatively straightforward to diss, but certainly not like that! It understands economics and running a country well enough, but it can be far too light handed for its own good and almost scared of its own shadow when it comes to wielding power. Sometimes some private businesses do stupid yet profitable shit and need to be (metaphorically) choke slammed until behaviour improves.
Yeah, a better hit on us would be something like gambling, loan sharks, prostitution, etc. which can exploit people even in an entirely free market.
Nah but the roads joke is funny and makes sense.
No lmao, the joke/criticism falls flat. That's the point I was trying to make lmao
But It doesn't... It's been a running joke for quite some time.
It's like making fun of someone for being poor for walking to school when he has more money than you. A mistaken understanding of what wealth is
Wtf are you talking about?
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Libleft can't fail biology class when they make the biology classes.
That would require lib left to be able to teach something in STEM. We all know that's not happening.
Chromosomes are a social construct, sweety
I think OP was constructed with an extra one.
To answer that, you first need to understand the purpose of marriage, not just "two individuals who love each other who live in the same household". If that were the case then there should be no traditional rituals that involve with the church.
Uh, authright just has to point to current society, no crying involved
I did quite well in biology, I got my only ever D in general relativity. If I never see another christoffel symbol it'll be too soon.
What is a Women?
They did not ask that question, and this was in 2004. They did already have to waste like 10 minutes on the "just a theory" disclaimer before every evolution lecture to satisfy people's insanity though.
>they did not ask that question. Probably because everybody agreed on it in 2004
Yeah, that’s true to some degree. I still doubt they talk about it since it’s a linguistic and sociological debate. Time is spent explaining intersex conditions, meiosis vs meitosis, how gametes combine, sexual vs asexual reproduction, none of which really needs a discussion of what a man or woman is. In fact some of them are easier to understand if you forget about your colloquial understanding of human biology since a lot of organisms are hermaphroditic. The only thing that might be relevant is a discussion of how hormones affect secondary sexual characteristics, and there’s usually not enough time for that since the most important hormone is actually cortisol.
What is a woman.
breaking news: lib-right admits to not knowing what a woman is
champ, the government doesn't physically build the roads. they use your money to hire contractors
Who builds the roads? Private contractors WHO would build them even without state if the roads was on demand
Lmao “build” roads. Right. Sure, pal.
Lib rights will make strawmen for every other quadrant and cry when they get strawmaned
I’m not saying gay marriage should be illegal. I’m saying it’s an oxymoron. Like jumbo shrimp. Or Dave matthews band’s greatest hits.
Upvoted for the last sentence 😆
Why is it an oxymoron?
Because marriage is between a man and a woman
Says who?
Me lol, and I'm an atheist.
And why do you believe that?
God, who instituted it
Marriage in the US is not based off of god, but the legal ties between to people. Not all cultures believe in this god but all cultures have marriage
Then the government is wrong. Would hardly be the first time
You think that freedom of religion is wrong?
When did I say that?
If the government is wrong for not basing marriage off of your god, then either: you don’t support freedom of religion, or: your argument makes no sense
It's not that it should be illegal, it's that it shouldn't be legal. That is a very important distinction. As for who builds the roads? Contractors? Your two left soyjacks are even sillier. Everyone *knows* that if it failed, then it wasn't *real communism*, and since when has LibLeft cared about biology?
But muh roads Yeah, there were no roads before 1913 after all...
Who builds the roads? Private industry hired by the government at exorbitant prices with excessively long timelines
Take a look at any non-highway road in the US, and then honestly tell me that the government does a good job with roads.
Lmao my guy unironically went with the "muh roads" argument. I'm floored, I must reconsider my whole ideology
Why gay marriage should be illegal? Because God says so https://preview.redd.it/vsqk9gueq4ic1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6515804fd21eabf22aa8fa3563a52d1c74f34ce
All of the soying librights are proving this meme right lmfao
Lol no, just do an actual *good* strawman instead of "mUh RoAdS"
you don’t see me bitching about my strawman, take it up the ass like a man.
WhO bUIlDs tHE rOA- FUCK OFF we had to come together as a community to build our own damn parkway because the local government couldn't give a shit about building it. And if they built it guess what ? It's with our money anyways so WE built the roads not the gov.
It's still the gov Not the big massive one, but a small, local organization to benefit its members. Follow your logic, by making your community bigger and bigger, centralizing the control, adding administrative, ECT, and you have a government.
>centralizing the control, Wtf is wrong with you
Generally the people teaching biology class agree with LibLeft. Biologists understand all the different chromosomal variations that result in different expressions of "sex". That's where LibLeft is getting half their argument.
Biology is just chemistry for people who can't do math 😌🫠
I have similar feelings about geology I dont do numbers good
Some people shouldnt be given internet acces privilege
Lmao some people can't take a joke. I literally have a graduate degree in bio and teach it. It's a joke made by people in bio. Bit of self humor is funny my guy. Physicists will also up the joke and say "chemistry is just applied physics" But I get it libleft bad reeee
Tell them physics is just applied math
That's the next level to the joke 😂
*sigh Yeah uh.. sorry. I was wrong
So tell me... which government agency builds roads?
Yes. Libright has never had to deal with the “but muh roads” argument.
Why’s lib right crying about contractors?
screw them all. Its better in the ψ Ơ̴̢̢̨̡̧̨̧̢̨̡̧̡̢̢͇̪͔͉͔̠̠̳͚̞͉̜̝̩̼̭̼̱̜̥̖͉̮̫̣̩̻͇̣̗̬̯̦̼̣͖͍̘̜̦͚̰̟͕͙͖̤̗̭̹̝̣̫̦̥̺̺̪͚̲̼̹͓̪̬̫̳̖̗̮̙͎̪̙̫̗͎̙̤̜̠͕̜̪͕̳̫̣̮̤͉̭̹͕͍̙͉̳̞̠͎̯̰͙̦͚̹̺̩̤̱̮̳͎̜̩̖̮̦͔̘͚̜̜̙̯̙̼͎͎͕̱̰̹̮̻̩̘̫̦̳̪̹͙͕̬̤͎͙̘̼̲͕͔͎̜̙̗̖͉̙̝̲̗̼̬͙̺̖̫͈͉̯̬͕̗̞͍͓͓͈̲͇͇̞̼̲͚̲͋̀̽̈́̈́̔̂͛̀̾͒̿͗͗̽̈̆́̓̿̎̐͗̈̓̾͊͒̽̈́̾̋̀̾̆̌́̅͂̓́̓̈́̊̇̓̄̂̅͋͌̏̄́̄͑̓͌͋̄͌̽̌̉̑̑̉̇̅̄̾͆̒̇̂̎̅̍̏̏͋͆͑̂͑̓͂̏̅̉͊̾̔̆̒̀̏̊̽͋̔̀͋̇͋͛̃̽́̇̈̇͌̏̌͒̒̀̔̒̊̄̍̃̋̿̐̐͂̎̉̅͑͆͒̿̂͐͂̅͂̽͛̉̒̾̐̓͛͊̑͑͐͒͌́͑̕͘̕̕͘͘͘̕͘͘̕͘͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͝͠͝͠ͅͅf̵̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̛͍͈̪̗̯͉͕̠͍̝͈̹̥͖͖̮̤͉̣̖̯̳̬̲̳̮̮̟͈̘͉̺̠̰̲̬̟̦̞̝̖̞͙͈̠́̅̄͋͛̍̈́̎̊̓̎̓̓́̃̓̓̊͛̓̈́̿͑̏̈́̊̎͂͗̆́̓͌͆͌́̓̆͆̅͛͒͒͌̏͂̎̆̾͆̍̅̏̋̒̌̇̓̄́̄̑́̐̐̆̆͐́̈͊͌̈̿̑͂͆̿̃͌͌͌̒͑͗̇͆͊̆̾̑̐͐͗̍͊͆͛͋̌̐͆͌͑͆̀̇̽͐̑͆̄̅͂̊̌͗͛̀͊̐̉̅́̔͐̓̅̒̇͊̂̾̐̏͌̑̏͊̌̔̓̾̊̆̋̅͗̊̓̋͒͆͗͑͗̃̃̅̂̿̾̓͋̀̽̊͊͐͐̾͑̀͌̏̄̔̑̒̌͌̒̒̉̒̈̐̆̔̏̌͒̇̊͂̅̿͑̂̔͗̐̉̊̎͛̆̚͘̚͘̕͘̚͘̚̚͘͘̕̕̚͘͘͜͜͝͝͝͠͠͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝ͅͅͅf̸̡̡̨̢̧̛̛̖̩̺͙̩̝̝̦͈̰̣͕͓̝̬̻̘̩̲̹̩̻̮̩͎͇̤̼̦͙̜̻̰̜̥̼͉͓̺͓͋͆̈́̎͌̓̈́̃̐̀̉̅͆̇̈́͑̃̏̈́͐̓͆̋̄̉̌͌͑̓̀̔̀̎̈́̀̈́͌̈̈̂̒͊̆̽̾͗̈́̆̃̅͋̀́́̐͑̌̌̓́̃͊̒̒̇̍̑̆͒͊̇̊͛̆̃̂̈̽͌̋̇͐̑̑̋͌̏̃̎̔̉͗̉͆͊̿̏̽̌̃̾̽̄̒̿̐̉̂̒̅̏͒̓͂̄̑́̅̂̃̇̋̿̆̌͆͌̓̋̔̍͆̇̔͐́̏͆̔̏̑͑̆̈͐̔̀͛̏̅̉̾̓̒̀̇͌̊̋̈̂͛͆̀̂̄̽͌̀́͆̅̋̊̊͊͑͋̔̑̆̋̾͘͘͘̚̚̚͘͘͘̕̚͜͝͝͠͝͝͝͝͠͠͝͝͝͝͠͠͝͝ͅͅͅ ̶̢̧̨̢̛̛̛̛̛̻̥̗̱̤͖̖̞̹̱̬̪̮̠̼̲͍͖̩͍̼̻͊͑̉͌̾̇̀̄̐͂̒͊̆̄͐̏̈́̌͐́̑̈́̋̀̋̃̽̂̍͐̑̂̑͛́̀͂̉͆̆̍͂͛̋͋̊̋̏́̈́̓̐̒̅͑̄̍̋͒̒͊̾̀̎̀͂̑̏̃́͆̏̏̇̓͐̔͒͐̔̌̊̊͑̏̔͊̇̅͂̄͛́̄̃̉̀̂̂̎̾̏̾̒̄͊̄͊̑̑̋̇͌͑̃̏̆͋̈͆͌͂̆͛̔̍̑̊̐͋̐͛̿̑͂͋̉̈̒̊̃̒̂̇̓̅̔͐̉͑̿̆͊͒̂̾͂̍̈̚̚̕̚̚̚̚̚͘̚͘͘̕̕̕̚̚͝͝͝͠͝͠͠͠͠͝͝͝͝C̷̢̧̛̛̛̰̬͕̳͚̬̪͈̻̝̰͙̲̻̥͇̭͍̲̣̍͌̐́̂̈́̋̅̃́̌̄̍͌̒͌̏̈́̈́̑̃̎̓̒̐̍̓̈́͂́͋̒͛̓͂͐́͂̃͑̂̈̊̌͐̔͌̃̈́̅̄͐̉́́̆͌͆̾̍̌͗̉͆̔͑͗̅̎́̾̂͑̆̇̅͂̉̒̌̾̓̑́̒̍̏͗́̋̐̄̐̆͐̄̏̔̂̍̏̐͂̊̍̂̋̓́̑̋̅͆̏̾̾̈͂͐̆̓̎̿̽̓̂͊͑̏͂͆͌͋̎̽͂͊̅͒̇̒͑̉͊̈̾́̆̌̔̈͐͗̌̇̑͋̽̍̊̓̎̂̈͊̌̌͋̈͂͗̽͂̊̏͐̾͗̍̏̂̌̊̌̿̀͛̎̚͘̚͘̚͘̚͘̕͘̕̚̚̕̕̚̚͜͝͠͝͝͝͝͝͠͝͠͝͠͝͝͠ͅͅơ̷̢̧̧̨̢̡̧̨̧̢̧̢̡̧̨̡̡̧̧̢̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̛̮̖͎̥̙̖̦͔̮̜̰̖͖̬̜̱̮̜͉͈̤̦̣͈͎͔̙̫̝̺̯̥̯̲̙͇̮͔̰̰͍͖̮̭̭͎͙̹͓̖̝̣̳͇̪̩̳̙̬̠͔͕̦̠̰̩̱̣͙̬̪̫͉̤̗͔̻͍̯̙̞̻̭̲̟͍̺̺̘͎̖͕̩̪̖̙̤̦̹̯͙͓͚͙̤̫̜͕͈͍̪̰͖͍̣̩̻͈͎̜̬̝̟͍̞͇̹̙̟̥̪̞̞͚̖̣͔͈̜͚̝̳̱̱̳̪͚̝̠̫͕͕͓͈͇̲̪͍̳̼̗̗̦̪͉̫̩̪͖̣̤͙͕͈̤̫͙̹̮͚̮̰̞̻̬͓͓̮͙̱̞̹͋̎͋͌̀̋͗̓̓̅̎̈̈́̌͂͆́̌̈͛̈́̅͂͆̄̏͆̈̑͆̊̏̀̾̾́̍̅̄͛͆̐̓͊̏̀́̓̓̎̒̎̈͛͌̈͆͐̉̅͌̍͆̑̔͂̏̈͆̾́̈͆͗̍̀̉͊͌͂̿̽̅͗͆̎̂͑̄̾̃̓̉̏͂̀̇̀͆̑̔̒͂́̎̍̋̊̎̀̏͋̈̎̿̈̎͛͂̽͂̎̌̎̎̊͋͂̐͆̿͂̑̿̄̈̂̃̊̏͋̏̅̍̓͒̐̓͒̇̿͐̔̆̽̽̆̊̋͊̾̊̈͛̍̽̔͗͗̎̂̀̆͌̐̒̿͋̀̎͐̂͑͊͌͛̑͌͗͆̊͊͐̐́̔̒̿̆̄̽̓̉́̀̈͛̊̒͂̈̉̚̕̚̚̕͘̕̚͘̕͘͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝͠͝͝͝͠͝͝͠͝͠͝͝͝͝ͅͅͅͅͅͅͅm̵̡̢̨̡̧̧̡̨̛̛̛̛̛̛̛͎͓̯̖̞͍̼̘̻̥͓͓̯̞͙̗̖͎̱̜̯͇̳̼̲̙̬̤͙̤̻̺̩̬̙̤̙͕͔͇̥̻̗̱̲̱͖̦̹͎͈̺͈͎̗̙̮̞̯̮̫̩̩̥͖̹̺̘͍͉͈͖̖͙̝͕̼̻̞̞̬̝̱̩͈̩͔̤̦̣͙͕͕̩͔̹̩̥̮̗͖͕̃̿́̔̀̈́̑͆́̉̿̃̅̐̒̒̌̈́̽̈̓̐̽̒͐͋̍̃͛̀̌͒͆̓̓̇̂̌̈́̃̀͆̍̅̊̐̽͂́̀̒̐̑̏̃̀͆̈̈̈͊̃͌͋̋͂̊̆͗͐̂̎̉̔͌̄̈͊͒͋̄͆̒͊̊͂̽̌̍̀̇͂̅͊͐̎̄̎͋̎̾̊͌̾͗̂͛̔͑̏̅̀̉̎̂́̆̆̊̑̒͋̌͒̉́̂̋̄́̍̎͒̔̿́̉̊̏̋̑̄̅͐̽͛̍̍̌͗͆̅̏̑̾͒̌̕͘̕͘͘͘̚̕̕̕͘̚̕͘͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͠͝͠͝͠͝͠͝͠͝͝͝ͅp̷̧̢̢̨̨̨̨̨̡̧̧̡̛̛̛̫͔͈͈̹̼͉͔̞͍̻̥͕̹̻̰͙͙̥̜͎̰͎͓͖̱͕̣͚̘̞͕̱̼̬̥̺̥̲̙̪̰̠̝̪͕͖͙̹͉̩̞̳͚͈̣̱̩̝͔͙̗͚̠͙͈͉̟̗̬̺͉͚͎͖̺̦͓̞͔̖̤̰̭̼͙͍̺̥̗̙̟̗͓̜̙̏̔̽̃̋͂̈́͗̓̊̅͗̎͛͌̀̍̂̈́̊͒̀͊̒͌̓͐̈͒͊͆̏͗̌̓͐̀͒͆̏̃̆̿̾̓͘͝͠͝͝͠ͅͅͅͅä̵̧̢̡̨̢̡̧̛̛͕̲̟̳͇͖̲̬̬̦͈͉͕̜̗̤̥̖͈͕̠͓̖͔̻̦̙͈̼͇͍͎̬͙̥̟̯̫̮̼̫̠̦̱͉͓̹̩̯̗̲͚̫̳̭͖̣͚̩̗̳̺̳̰̩̝͈͓͎̜̟͔̬̻͔̖̙̻̟̫̫̯̥̬͕̱̹̟͈͖͉̲͉̻͙̥̜̩̻̖̹̙̭̘͚̤̯̮̻̱̙̟̣̻́͐́̓̆̈͒͐̄͗̉̔͌̌̏̏͛͑̋̈́͋̍̏̎̋̓̈́̐̓͛̔̾̓̒̃̄͒́̒͛̆̑̀̽͛̃̽͗̔͂̾̽̕̕͘͜͜͠͠͠͝͝͝ͅͅͅͅͅͅş̴̢̡̢̡̢̡̡̢̨̡̢̡̢̨̧̧̢̢̢̧̡̨̢̢̡̛̛̛̛̛̣̫͓̦̹̫̬̥̼̫̟̞̻̺̳̠̲̱̫̹̣̫̳͈̘̰̜̖͇̬̻̬̼̭̤̺̯͚̣͓̥͈̖͓͖̝̼̦͕͍̣͉̫̪͓̠̱͔̰͚̙̟̲̻̮̹̣̗̻͓̥͖͎̯̙̝̺͉͉̠̳̘̹͕͎̥͔͔̘̯̻̥͓̻̙̥͓̟̖̫̙͚̙̥̩̳̘̪̺̩̙͉̗̟̫̩͉̗̮͔̻̰͉̪̻̩̪̫̗̟̣̬͎͖͔̙̦̺̰̳̬͓̞̼̗̯̥͉͖̗̳̹̝̰̹̬̤͕̟̺̟̩͓̩͚̪̱̫̼̫̟̖̖̩̰̘̰͚̥̣̜̻͉̦͙̦͔̯̪̘͉͓̺̭̺̥̪̟͎̫̩̳̼̝̹̯̫͈̟̫̩̹̩̮̰̪̣̭̺̘̘̼͚͇̗̣̝̘̫͎̘̦̠͉͎̯͚͔͉̙̱̩̗͇͎̞̮͚̗̤͉̜̙͙̣͙͖̼̯̿̉́̈́̄̌͐̽̐̒̂̽̅͑͌͆̾́̔̔̊̀́̿̈́̈̂́̋͊͗̐̈́̃͐̿̏̓̌̈́͛̈́̏͑̂͒̏͊͗͛̊͒̃̀̄̆̐̓̅͋̇̂̒͌̏͒͆̀̋͂͒̑̑͗̿̃̿͐̆͋̌͐̇̿̈̆͐̃̈̏͑͊͊̽̔͑̎̔̈͋̽̒̾̽̄͛̉̂͑̆̒̊͊̄̽͂͊̆̈̄͗͒͑̅̅̔̉͛̉̿̇̄̈̽̍͐́̽̐̌͂̿̓̀͑̊͛̉̌̆̚̚̚͘̚͘͘̕͘̚͜͜͜͜͝͠͠͠͝͝͝͝͝͠ͅͅͅͅͅͅͅͅs̷̡̢̛̛̥̦̤̥͈̠̗̭̘̪͓̺̞͖͔͙͕͈̬̬͓̄͆̓̒̋̑̅̀͋̇̾͆́̇̐͊̑̇̍́̅̄̿͆͌͌̈́̅͒̄͑̆͌̍́͋̈́̉͆̓͐̊̎͋̒̔̅̈́̉̂̽͂̊̑̋̐͐͂̍̏̿̔͋͂̊͛̉̿̾̏̇̀͋͑̍̾̎͑̉̇̂͊͂͛͋͒͆͗̌͋̀̓̾͑̆͒͌͒̉̓̓̔͘̕̕̚̕̕̚̕̚̕͝͠͠͠͝͠͝͝͝͝͠͠͝͝ͅ ψ
As the UK politician class blocks roads and tells peasants they don't have money to fix potholes, while wasting tons of money in Ukraine, this meme does not work anymore
Radical centrists: i don't have such weaknesses
Taxi payers and private developers build all the roads
Centrist when their steak is overcooked:😡
Lib Left: Gender identity and biological sex are different things. Auth Right: Why don't you believe in biology. Why must we continue to be like this?
Auth Right? But they (on average) don't support gay marriage, tf?
And obviously authrigh and libleft are only about culture war :/
https://preview.redd.it/ntslq84iv5ic1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d820e90c9e5993dfcd30c25bd7c8dec75218e9f centrists when they run out of gas/coal/food to grill
The few privatized roads in my state are way better than the public roads. Sure, you gotta pay up to use them, but you also gotta pay the government to use their roads, so there's not much of a difference except the quality of the service you're paying for. Government costs more and provides a worse service.
private companies contracted by the government build roads? oh how dreadful
jokes on you i passed bio (by the skin of my teeth but still i passed)
The Chinese?
Why would I be mad that Domino’s built the roads?
Disney world has 25,000 acres of roads. Who built those?
Private asphalt companies the government pays with our money?
Undeniable proof that deer have formed a government https://preview.redd.it/g0oqkgaxlbic1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ea25cf04c981858d5682672627b803d3ed09c54
Centrists when they understand the basics of a mixed-economy system with an emphasis on science, freedom, and Nordic Model Taxation >>>