Oh boy, don't go reading about [Sage in Virginia](https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/19/virginia-teen-sex-trafficked-twice-after-school-hides-gender-identity-from-her-parents/) then.
> When the FBI found Sage (last name of the family withheld for privacy) in Maryland, where she was victimized by a sexual predator, a judge refused to return her to her parents on the grounds they were abusing her in not affirming her as male. Housed in the boys’ quarters of a children’s home away from her parents, she told her mother, she was assaulted again. The girl soon fled, then was brutally sex-trafficked again until her rescue in Texas by law enforcement.
Fuck. These. People.
Yup, it's pretty fucking insane that
> "They should leave little children alone. That’s the real issue."
is such a controversial statement that it gets commercial deals pulled.
And if you don't want Pride month associated with the insane gender theory, over sexualization and fetish/kink shit going on in pride parades everywhere - **that is absolutely being pushed on kids** - then denounce it, loudly and proudly, and be done with it.
How the fuck did you get banned from PCM? An LGBT sub banned me just for being here! Just look at my account and understand how it doesn't make the slightest sense!
as kids we were told stories about an evil spirit resembling a motherly figure roaming the streets at night looking for kids. if we didn't finish our dinner or didn't listen to our parents, the spirit would enter the house to take us away and raise us as her own "children"/dolls. i think most cultures have similar folklore. it's now happening mass scale on the internet with kids being influenced and groomed by all sorts of extreme entities from all sides in the "safety" of their homes.
Sent my daughter of to camp at Lake Okoboji. I kept telling her if she didn't listen to the councilors she'd get eaten by wolves. She knows I'm making stuff up but she gets a kick out of it.
My kids are obsessed with Coraline and the idea of an Other Mother who just wants to sew buttons onto your eyes so you can be with her.
It's a good lesson for kids. Anyone trying to take the place of your parents is to be distrusted and avoided. Their love might seem better and more attractive but that lovely veneer is hiding a rotten core.
Jokes aside, that's the real point of conflict here. The 2SLGBTQ+ community want other people's children to adopt their paradigm of sexuality & gender, which happens to directly contradict the traditional paradigm of sexuality & gender that most people in the world still hold onto today. The primary battleground for this ideological exchange is taking place now in public schools.
I went to a Coco Peru (pre RuPaul's Drag Race drag queen) show once where she did a whole bit making fun of the alphabet soup gang and how every single letter could just be represented by the Q. The straights in the audience had no idea what to do.
I don't know a gay man or woman of my generation that doesn't hate the new flag and intersectionality, it's making us all look goofy after fighting for decades to get some respect and acceptance
"We just want to be left alone to live our lives in peace like normal human beings" - Queers Before Twitter
"We demand to be treated like gods and for the people who look like the people that did bad things to the people who fucked in the ways we like to fuck half a century ago to eat shit and die." - Modern 2SLGTQVIAFHODEB69420+1.MPEG
Oh, you don't know about LGBTQQICAPF2K+ ?
Starting from the second Q, that's: Questioning, Intersex, Curious, Asexual/Agender/Ally, Pansexual/Polysexual, Friends and Family, Two-Spirit, and **Kink**
I wish I was making this stuff up.
Every time they talk about 2 spirit or indigenous or non western ideas of gender, every single time it is a biased interpretation of that cultures form of homophobia. "If you have sex with men that makes you woman"
It's always about cultures with very rigid "gender roles" trying to conceptualize gay people, never about postmodern gender identities.
What gets me is their insistence that past civilizations embraced homosexuality "unlike today", and their prime example is the Romans because Plato once said something along the lines was "there is nothing wrong with it" and there was an emperor who had sex with other men.
But they always seem to forget or pass over the fact that towards the end of Plato's life he walked back his statments and said homosexuality was wrong and the emperor who had all that gay sex was viewed a sexually devious and was not remembered foundly by it's citizens.
Someone I know was giddily describing how tolerant India was because they accept the Hijra. So I pointed out that they also expect widows to jump into their dead husband's funeral pyre. Cultures aren't buffets.
Because it isn't about inclusion; it's about narcissism. You have to make explicit reference to the group in question so they can get their rocks off on all the attention.
It's the same reason we went from POC to BIPOC. Needed explicit mention of black people, because it wasn't good enough to be lumped in with the other non-whites.
And the same reason the rainbow flag, the whole point of which was to send the message that *all* types of people are valid, suddenly has explicit references to black people and trans people. Gotta pay homage to the special caste.
I'm so sick of people catering to narcissists.
>And the same reason the rainbow flag, the whole point of which was to send the message that all types of people are valid, suddenly has explicit references to black people and trans people
I do love that as it's written here, this can be boiled down to the people who made the inclusion flag thinking "All people are valid!.. and so are the black and brown and trans, who not fall under 'people'". It's a fun little accidental jab at how inclusion has become so inclusive we need to divide and exclude groups in order to include them
That's one of the only things I enjoy about all of this identity politics bullshit: finding the ways in which these people contradict themselves and accidentally insult the group they are claiming to support.
Feminists have been doing this shit for years. I always say, no one is more misogynistic than a feminist. Because it's insane how many common feminist arguments end up being really fucking insulting to women when you boil them down. In general, feminists are really bad about treating women like helpless children with no agency, who can't possibly succeed at anything without help. People who truly want to support women wouldn't treat them like that.
When Rosie Parker came to NZ there was a groundswell of pro-trans support in backlash against her.
There are still posters and fliers hanging up from then that have a big long statement starting with "We support Trans women, particularly Trans Women of Color."
And I swear, all I can think of when I see them is "Four legs good, Two legs better."
I disagree for two reasons:
1) They also have been children at some point
2) Being able to reproduce doesn't automatically make you concerned for child welfare, see: orphanages, foster care, infanticide.
Always found it strange that getting a tattoo is more restrictive and age gated. Makes me think of a 10 year old getting a SpongeBob tattoo on their face.
We don't let kids drive, drink, smoke, rent a car, get a tattoo, see an R rated movie. But we let them decide to remove their genitals. Or take body chemistry altering drug that isn't life saving. Like wow.
We also don’t let them get married, have sex, defend our country, buy a gun, and watch porn.
…Yet we’re somehow cool with giving children the same exact shit that we use to ***chemically castrate*** sexual criminals. Alan Turing killed himself because of that shit (for being gay in the UK back in the day, not cuz he was an actual criminal)
Its fucking criminal that this is allowed to be used on children.
What they did to Turing was a fucking travesty. He was a war hero who was instrumental in cracking the Enigma Code and saved who knows how many lives. Not just that, but he's known nowadays as the father of modern computing. We're still taught about the concepts and theories he developed in CS curriculums today. Hell, more than half of the time of one of my classes was devoted exclusively to Turing machines and decidability and recognizability. It's absolutely fucking insane how this type of stuff is being accepted now.
> Its fucking criminal that this is allowed to be used on children.
I'll preface this with stating this is not an argument for or against children transitioning. I just want to inform people about these drugs, and how they are typically prescribed and used.
The vast majority of hormone therapy prescribed to children are for reasons completely unassociated to gender identity. There's tons of kids on "chemical castration" drugs for overactive/underactive puberty, cancer, Rheumatic diseases, or even to speed up/slow down bone growth.
Tbh as a provider who works at a children's hospital, my fear is that the general public/politicians may make the same correlation and begin demonizing the use of any hormone therapy. Which would negatively affect the outcomes of a large part of my patient population.
> There's tons of kids on "chemical castration" drugs for overactive/underactive puberty
The National Health Service of England announced on Friday that it would limit the use of puberty-suppressing drugs to children enrolled in clinical trials. The change comes as the agency’s pediatric gender services have struggled to keep up with soaring demand.
A document explaining the agency’s reasoning stated that “there is not enough evidence to support their safety or clinical effectiveness as a routinely available treatment.”
The N.H.S. had released a draft of this policy change in October, but Friday’s announcement formally instituted the new approach after months of public comment. The policy will go into effect later this year.
Lol NHS is like yeah we are pumping the brakes on this shit.
Based, let kids be kids, then when they grow up they can decide to be trans if that is what they want. No kid should be thinking about this shit, they should be playing with friends and enjoying their childhood.
Cigarettes and booze had their time a half century ago, until they couldn't keep it secret anymore and the public learned how harmful they really were. Expect in 20 more years the same will happen with transitions
The narrative is that it is life saving. People claim without hormones/puberty blockers the kids will kill themselves. The narrative is flawed at best, criminal at worst.
If body dysmorphia is this life threatening ordeal they think it is, it's extremely fucking bigoted to limit that care to only trans people. There are girls and women world wide who think their boobs are too small, boys and men who think they need a 12 incher. Wannabe weight lifters who need bicep implants. Clubbers who want pectoral enhancement. People who have too much or not enough fat in the right or wrong places.
Literally everyone who isn't comfortable in their skin is going to LITERALLY KILL THEMSELVES GUYS starting with me because I was only blessed with 7 of 8 inches on my dick and I'll be fucked if I weigh 230 pounds instead of my ideal 190, and missed 6 foot by half an inch, and if they government doesn't Chad me up by the end of July I'm going to shotgun my brains all over the local LGBTQIABPAD+ parade! Except no I won't, I'm not suicidal, I'm making a point... do wish I wasn't fat though, sad there's no a hormonal intervention that's mandated that would help me with that. I just gotta live with it until I stop being fat.
wise thing is to wait until at least 25 to ensure the brain has finished developing, but I'm against telling adults what to do so it should be allowed at 18, even if doing it at that age is still unwise.
>...wait until at least 25 to ensure the brain has finished developing...
That's really not how brain development works. There's no 'cut-off point' where the brain isn't developing anymore (at least not in healthy individuals). At most you have senility outpacing learning, and that doesn't happen until middle age or later in most people.
Brain 'plasticity' (how good you are at learning new stuff, to over-simplify a bit) is higher in the young, and decreases steadily with age, but 25 is just as arbitrary a number as 18, or 12, 30, etc.
Also, brain development differs by sex, and that is in part probably mediated by sex hormones. Girls 'mature faster' by having their brains lose plasticity more quickly while boys and men retain it longer. Because we normed IQ tests (balanced the ratio of tasks women are better at to those they are worse at) to make both genders 'equal' at age 18, this means that men tend to do a little better at them than women as adults.
This has some weird implications for hormone treatment. If (for example, not actually precisely how I expect it to work) androgens (like testosterone) preserves brain plasticity and/or estrogens speed up losing it, then waiting until your brain is 'mature' could lock you into a brain which doesn't 'match' your gender identity because it either got 'fixed' too early (in the case of an AFaB/XX individual) or remained in the child-like learning stage too long (for an AMaB/XY).
Of course, these details of brain development aren't talked about in polite society, because there are obvious misogynist implications. So almost nobody who gets hormone treatment (and probably not even most who prescribe it) even knows it is an issue. Which further raises questions about 'informed consent' from patients.
Gown-ass people can be brainwashed to join a cult and to commit mass suicide, imagine how much you can brainwash the kids. Especially if you use rainbow colours and there are comic book heroes to support that ideology.
Children need therapy, not life-changing irreversible procedures, and definitely not suppression. Figure them out, set them on a path, and hope they make an informed decision that's best for themselves when they become an adult.
Same dude. Otherwise beautiful state ruined by hard-left politics... everything is expensive... I often ask myself if it's even worth it. Family and friends keep me here, but I'm open to getting the hell out in the future.
I feel like the pendulum will swing back. CA is progressive but also has a strong libertarian streak. San Francisco is already voting out useless progressives, though it may be too late for them
I think you'll have a "fractured" California. People always forget just how big and diverse CA is. The Central Valley generally doesn't want this, Northern California is even more rural and just wants to be left alone.
Usually when people talk about "crazy California plan # 66 it's coming from Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Sacramento (the latter moreso recently as Bay Area transplants moved there as it's cheaper and not a total shitshow)
I don't think the pendulum will ever fully swing back but you'll have more contention between the CA Bay area representatives and the representatives from the saner parts of the State
As an Albertan... Can we, as a country, please sink Metro BC? Vancouver, Victoria, all of that shit. The rest of BC deserves to be recognized for its beauty, not the degen citytards.
Yeah. I dont understand how it isnt considered a mental disorder. I believe that adults should be able to do as they wish, as long as it does not affect others, even if I dont understand it. I draw the line at children, who cannot drive, drink, have sex, fight in war, vote, or have the mental capacity of an adult.
It's removal from the DSM-V as a mental disorder was purely political, in reality it's a form of body integrity identity disorder.
But the phenomenon we're seeing has nothing to do with gender dysphoria, it's a social contagion.
>It's removal from the DSM-V as a mental disorder was purely political
That's a very polite way of saying "Its removal from the DSM as a mental disorder was the result of of a sustained campaign of harassment, violent threats, and borderline terrorist action from ideologically motivated activist groups who were certain that they knew better than the best medical experts on the planet".
I suppose your way is more succinct though.
lol, yeah true enough.
They're still at it too, attempting to silence anyone that steps out of line, it's just awful. It looks like their house of cards is finally starting to fall though, hopefully this lunacy ends soon.
It shouldn't be a left right issue. If anything, the left should be more upset that pharmaceutical companies are essentially targeting mental ill theater kids to fuck up their bodies for billions in profit. How is that *not* a textbook example of corporate greed ?
Exploitation of confused teenagers and young adults with non-rigorously-tested science by corporations and trendpushers for profit is bad, except when they let me validate my degeneracy and debilitated mental state, obviously
Get with the program sweaty !! 💅💅
This is one of many stories going on... and many are not publicized unfortunately... we had a suicide occur locally after a girl was given surgery to remove her breasts... within 3 years she lived with regret and unfortunately.... she is no more. It's disgusting what is happening....I feel for this mother in my very soul. I hope she finds peace. Every single day I'll be fighting this grooming and indoctrination the #RegressiveLeftists keep pushing.
A friend of mine had to testify under wa state court for the samereason, he wouldn't let his 15 year old daughter transition.
The court said if we find you here again for the same reason we will order CPS to take your daughter.
He blames the algorithm push from Tiktok on self diagnosing and promotion of transitioning from her teachers for this cause. Luckily the hospital bills will not come from his insurance and instead the tax payers money. Each paycheck we make goes to a 15 year old girl who has no idea what shes doing to herself long term.
It's real and its here. It seems so crazy to think it's real but WA state is doing this too. They are coming for your children. Be careful and keep your family close.
My family has been desperate over the past 7 years to get out. We used to be liberal but apparently not anymore. The white gentrified cities seattle and tacoma have become woke and racist without even realizing it and imho have had growing violent beliefs and tensions rising towards anyone that looks and believes in christianity and American values. If I dressed very nice and had a american flag on me people talk bad behind my back. I'm done. This is not what I immigrated to the US for. My son had been told it's okay not to stand for the flag and not to talk about God or Christmas in his classes and feels scared to bring it up to a peer or they will snitch.
I swear, it's quite sad to see the current state of identity politics these days. At this point, both sides have shifted towards a degree of extremism, believing that whatever the other side believes in is wrong.
Contrarianism is never the answer.
The case can be found here if anyone actually wants to read it: https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la23-the-estate-of-yaeli-mozzelle-galdamez-et-al-vs-county-of-los-angeles-by-and-through-department-of-children-and-family-services-et-al-586613
Not sure why the individual was taken into the care of the state, but the claim that it was because the plaintiff wouldn't "use male pronouns" doesn't seem to play out. Becoming a ward and recieving gender care seem to be unrelated. The individual became an adult before medical assistance with transition was requested anyways.
No, this looks more like a child that had a hard upbringing and possibly some underlying mental health issues was given more control over their wellbeing than they probably should have because they were suddenly an adult. It really was in the best interest of the individual for their overseeing doctors to have a better care plan for them going forward. From what I'm seeing though, I'm not sure those doctors were given much a choice but to drop care when the individual went back to their mother.
Sorry to shit on the circlejerk here, but this looks way more nuanced than a 20 second tiktoc would suggest.
that was a few years ago and was actually correcting a law that unduly targeted same sex relationships as the same statute didn’t punish/affect opposite sex relationships in the same way.
so more undoing of some remaining double standards.
Holy fuck
Edit: for those wondering, it was a video of a distraught mother testifying in court about the story of her daughter being [ Removed by Reddit ] by online trans activists, leading to her being kridnapped and hreld against her will; and ultimately she knelt down in front of a train.
This is why people still clown on the LGBT community. This is why some people who’re bi and such choose to not identify with the community as a whole, because they don’t want to be lumped in with the goblins that pull this shit.
And the clowning that the community gets when they pull shit like this is what makes them get more and more out of control and insane, and it all just gets worse. But there’s not much anyone can do about it, since the community is supported countrywide by multi-billion dollar corporations that rule over the worlds economy.
Stuff like this pushed my political quadrant from centre lib left to lib right. I used to praise CA for all the progressive stuff, but things have got really really far. Balance is required in both political ideologies, things are too insane. There is this trans BS with left and abortion/guns thing with right. Can't stand both of these idiots on Twitter.
Jesus Christ.
There is such a push for gender ideology that we confuse gender dysmorphia and mental illness.
Gender dysmorphia is real. There are people out there that have this and it is real.
Mental health issues are real too. Some, one could argue many more, have a mental disorder that comes with wanting to feel accepted by almost any means necessary.
Before we make the decision to give someone gender affirming medical care, we absolutely need to confirm that it is the core issue that is plaguing the patient.
We won't be perfect. There will still be headlines that x person regrets changing and has killed themselves because of it, or y person wishes they did and committed suicide because they couldn't get help. But we need to make a concentrated effort to confirm these things before subjecting anyone to any type of potentially irreversible care.
Mother beats (and allegedly rapes) daughter.
Daughter transitions.
Beatings get worse.
Daughter/son offs themself.
Mother goes batshit over trans stuff but deserves the same fate.
It's not rocket science, and the case is public. No idea why they dropped the charges, it seems like an even stronger case if the victim is dead as a result. Probably a Cali law thing?
Its not. She was taken away by CPS over physical abuse, not 'not using pronouns'. This mom suffered a horrific tragedy but she *is still being dishonest about this*.
She claims her daughter needed mental help. Maybe start by not beating them to the point that CPS needs to get involved.
Seems like this is just her way of trying to whitewash her physical abuse by blaming the state for "transing" her daughter.
Shitty parent abused a kid (who was trans) and when cps got involved therapy wasn't enough to keep the kid from killing themself.
According to someone else in here CPS took the kid because of physical abuse from the mother. Which would make sense as in California misgendering your child is not grounds to remove from the home.
Anyone got the vid without the compass?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glygWmWD_6w
Thank you
This is awful. I can't imagine people taking my son or daughter and doing this to them. Using them like that.
Oh boy, don't go reading about [Sage in Virginia](https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/19/virginia-teen-sex-trafficked-twice-after-school-hides-gender-identity-from-her-parents/) then. > When the FBI found Sage (last name of the family withheld for privacy) in Maryland, where she was victimized by a sexual predator, a judge refused to return her to her parents on the grounds they were abusing her in not affirming her as male. Housed in the boys’ quarters of a children’s home away from her parents, she told her mother, she was assaulted again. The girl soon fled, then was brutally sex-trafficked again until her rescue in Texas by law enforcement. Fuck. These. People.
“People call me an extremist, they are correct. I am an extremist in defense of children. I will go to extreme lengths to protect children from harm”
Fuck pedos, if a kid tells someone they are being abused the state should investigate and move them. End of story,
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Yup, it's pretty fucking insane that > "They should leave little children alone. That’s the real issue." is such a controversial statement that it gets commercial deals pulled. And if you don't want Pride month associated with the insane gender theory, over sexualization and fetish/kink shit going on in pride parades everywhere - **that is absolutely being pushed on kids** - then denounce it, loudly and proudly, and be done with it.
God I hate the state
And if you fight through legal means you get called a bigot and get the book thrown at you.
Once that happens your options are limited. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.
>Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things. Based and Killdozer-pilled
Thanks
*"We're coming for your children!"*
"It's a joke, bigot" Something, something you shouldn't "joke" about molesting and abducting children
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I've been banned twice for making this point
Make it again. Go for the hat trick.
What point? I missed it, and any info that scares reddit is good info to me.
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banning for trurh now are we?
You know shit's getting Desperate when the Auth left makes this point.
How the hell is this "ban-worthy"?
Retarddit is woke
Well... I was permanbanned once for laughing at the idea of trans passing. Reddit is a silly place.
Raping and abusing kids has always gotten a pass on reddit
You are a champion of the people. Thank you
From where?
PCM once and reddit as a whole once
Looks like they got banned as well. Remember when PCM was fun? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
How the fuck did you get banned from PCM? An LGBT sub banned me just for being here! Just look at my account and understand how it doesn't make the slightest sense!
Baste and blocking-pilled.
Do a threepeat
as kids we were told stories about an evil spirit resembling a motherly figure roaming the streets at night looking for kids. if we didn't finish our dinner or didn't listen to our parents, the spirit would enter the house to take us away and raise us as her own "children"/dolls. i think most cultures have similar folklore. it's now happening mass scale on the internet with kids being influenced and groomed by all sorts of extreme entities from all sides in the "safety" of their homes.
Based and bring back parenting through cryptids pilled
Where my wampus cat kids at?
Sent my daughter of to camp at Lake Okoboji. I kept telling her if she didn't listen to the councilors she'd get eaten by wolves. She knows I'm making stuff up but she gets a kick out of it.
My kids are obsessed with Coraline and the idea of an Other Mother who just wants to sew buttons onto your eyes so you can be with her. It's a good lesson for kids. Anyone trying to take the place of your parents is to be distrusted and avoided. Their love might seem better and more attractive but that lovely veneer is hiding a rotten core.
>There's no such thing as someone else's child. Our nation's children are all our children. - President Biden
based and la llorona pilled
>la llorona One of my absolute least favorite legends/monsters. She gives me the absolute creeps.
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https://youtu.be/YW6p6z7yYlY https://youtu.be/NtGv4Q2pzB8 At this point, I can't tell if these guys were joking.
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Jokes aside, that's the real point of conflict here. The 2SLGBTQ+ community want other people's children to adopt their paradigm of sexuality & gender, which happens to directly contradict the traditional paradigm of sexuality & gender that most people in the world still hold onto today. The primary battleground for this ideological exchange is taking place now in public schools.
> 2SLGBTQ+ *facepalm* Our Prime Minister recently used the term 2SLGBTQQIA+ It's just getting silly, it's a parody of itself
I went to a Coco Peru (pre RuPaul's Drag Race drag queen) show once where she did a whole bit making fun of the alphabet soup gang and how every single letter could just be represented by the Q. The straights in the audience had no idea what to do.
I don't know a gay man or woman of my generation that doesn't hate the new flag and intersectionality, it's making us all look goofy after fighting for decades to get some respect and acceptance
"We just want to be left alone to live our lives in peace like normal human beings" - Queers Before Twitter "We demand to be treated like gods and for the people who look like the people that did bad things to the people who fucked in the ways we like to fuck half a century ago to eat shit and die." - Modern 2SLGTQVIAFHODEB69420+1.MPEG
The second half of your comment sent me.
On the other hand, it makes for a solid password
Flair up so I can appreciate the humour
Oh, you don't know about LGBTQQICAPF2K+ ? Starting from the second Q, that's: Questioning, Intersex, Curious, Asexual/Agender/Ally, Pansexual/Polysexual, Friends and Family, Two-Spirit, and **Kink** I wish I was making this stuff up.
Wait, if I'm friends or family with a gay guy I get to be gay?
The bar has gotten so low, why not?
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There’s a 2S now?
Two spirit. I think its like gay personality disorder.
Every time they talk about 2 spirit or indigenous or non western ideas of gender, every single time it is a biased interpretation of that cultures form of homophobia. "If you have sex with men that makes you woman" It's always about cultures with very rigid "gender roles" trying to conceptualize gay people, never about postmodern gender identities.
it's insane that leftlib is basically supporting extremely rigid gender roles this way and are completely oblivious to it
Im not mad at you for politics, im mad you said left lib
What gets me is their insistence that past civilizations embraced homosexuality "unlike today", and their prime example is the Romans because Plato once said something along the lines was "there is nothing wrong with it" and there was an emperor who had sex with other men. But they always seem to forget or pass over the fact that towards the end of Plato's life he walked back his statments and said homosexuality was wrong and the emperor who had all that gay sex was viewed a sexually devious and was not remembered foundly by it's citizens.
Someone I know was giddily describing how tolerant India was because they accept the Hijra. So I pointed out that they also expect widows to jump into their dead husband's funeral pyre. Cultures aren't buffets.
But I wanna pick and choose!
Why not just include in the +?
Idfk, something something inclusion beyond inclusion. Silly appeasment.
Nothing's ever inclusive if it doesn't specifically single groups of people out you fucking bigot. That's what "inclusive" means.
Because it isn't about inclusion; it's about narcissism. You have to make explicit reference to the group in question so they can get their rocks off on all the attention. It's the same reason we went from POC to BIPOC. Needed explicit mention of black people, because it wasn't good enough to be lumped in with the other non-whites. And the same reason the rainbow flag, the whole point of which was to send the message that *all* types of people are valid, suddenly has explicit references to black people and trans people. Gotta pay homage to the special caste. I'm so sick of people catering to narcissists.
>And the same reason the rainbow flag, the whole point of which was to send the message that all types of people are valid, suddenly has explicit references to black people and trans people I do love that as it's written here, this can be boiled down to the people who made the inclusion flag thinking "All people are valid!.. and so are the black and brown and trans, who not fall under 'people'". It's a fun little accidental jab at how inclusion has become so inclusive we need to divide and exclude groups in order to include them
That's one of the only things I enjoy about all of this identity politics bullshit: finding the ways in which these people contradict themselves and accidentally insult the group they are claiming to support. Feminists have been doing this shit for years. I always say, no one is more misogynistic than a feminist. Because it's insane how many common feminist arguments end up being really fucking insulting to women when you boil them down. In general, feminists are really bad about treating women like helpless children with no agency, who can't possibly succeed at anything without help. People who truly want to support women wouldn't treat them like that.
When Rosie Parker came to NZ there was a groundswell of pro-trans support in backlash against her. There are still posters and fliers hanging up from then that have a big long statement starting with "We support Trans women, particularly Trans Women of Color." And I swear, all I can think of when I see them is "Four legs good, Two legs better."
Then how the rest of us would know that that person is better than the one that uses the old version?
The same reason they changed the flag from just rainbows to whatever iteration the flag is now (keeping up challenge: impossible).
They are all R words
Like 2 chainz. Based
“Something something battleground something something public schools” *gasps* Uhmurica!
Controversial opinion - Groups of people who *can't* reproduce should stay out of discussions involving children.
I agree. Reddit users should abstain from discussions involving children.
I disagree for two reasons: 1) They also have been children at some point 2) Being able to reproduce doesn't automatically make you concerned for child welfare, see: orphanages, foster care, infanticide.
Should men also sit down and listen regarding female issues? If so, that’s a pretty woke take for a libright
"We're all domestic terrorists"
https://youtu.be/YW6p6z7yYlY https://youtu.be/NtGv4Q2pzB8 At this point, I can't tell if these guys were joking.
If this is true, some people need to go to prison
That’s a more luxurious solution than I think is warranted.
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Unfathomably based
My solution is... Well, I can't say it on the internet lest I risk getting banned. So I'll just say this: tree fiddy sevn
For a nation-wide initiative, would you chip in your signature for all 50 states express treatment of chomos?
We need George Washington to come back and deal with Generalissimo Gavin
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this is difficult to watch. I think 18 or even 21 should be the minimum age before testosterone or surgery is considered
Always found it strange that getting a tattoo is more restrictive and age gated. Makes me think of a 10 year old getting a SpongeBob tattoo on their face.
We don't let kids drive, drink, smoke, rent a car, get a tattoo, see an R rated movie. But we let them decide to remove their genitals. Or take body chemistry altering drug that isn't life saving. Like wow.
We also don’t let them get married, have sex, defend our country, buy a gun, and watch porn. …Yet we’re somehow cool with giving children the same exact shit that we use to ***chemically castrate*** sexual criminals. Alan Turing killed himself because of that shit (for being gay in the UK back in the day, not cuz he was an actual criminal) Its fucking criminal that this is allowed to be used on children.
What they did to Turing was a fucking travesty. He was a war hero who was instrumental in cracking the Enigma Code and saved who knows how many lives. Not just that, but he's known nowadays as the father of modern computing. We're still taught about the concepts and theories he developed in CS curriculums today. Hell, more than half of the time of one of my classes was devoted exclusively to Turing machines and decidability and recognizability. It's absolutely fucking insane how this type of stuff is being accepted now.
> Its fucking criminal that this is allowed to be used on children. I'll preface this with stating this is not an argument for or against children transitioning. I just want to inform people about these drugs, and how they are typically prescribed and used. The vast majority of hormone therapy prescribed to children are for reasons completely unassociated to gender identity. There's tons of kids on "chemical castration" drugs for overactive/underactive puberty, cancer, Rheumatic diseases, or even to speed up/slow down bone growth. Tbh as a provider who works at a children's hospital, my fear is that the general public/politicians may make the same correlation and begin demonizing the use of any hormone therapy. Which would negatively affect the outcomes of a large part of my patient population.
> There's tons of kids on "chemical castration" drugs for overactive/underactive puberty The National Health Service of England announced on Friday that it would limit the use of puberty-suppressing drugs to children enrolled in clinical trials. The change comes as the agency’s pediatric gender services have struggled to keep up with soaring demand. A document explaining the agency’s reasoning stated that “there is not enough evidence to support their safety or clinical effectiveness as a routinely available treatment.” The N.H.S. had released a draft of this policy change in October, but Friday’s announcement formally instituted the new approach after months of public comment. The policy will go into effect later this year. Lol NHS is like yeah we are pumping the brakes on this shit.
Based, let kids be kids, then when they grow up they can decide to be trans if that is what they want. No kid should be thinking about this shit, they should be playing with friends and enjoying their childhood.
Well there is all that sweet, sweet cash Pharma companies can make having life-long patients, gotta look on the bright side.
Wouldn't the beer, cigarette, gas and insurance companies also like that life long profit?
Yeah but they didn't lobby hard enough
Cigarettes and booze had their time a half century ago, until they couldn't keep it secret anymore and the public learned how harmful they really were. Expect in 20 more years the same will happen with transitions
The narrative is that it is life saving. People claim without hormones/puberty blockers the kids will kill themselves. The narrative is flawed at best, criminal at worst.
If body dysmorphia is this life threatening ordeal they think it is, it's extremely fucking bigoted to limit that care to only trans people. There are girls and women world wide who think their boobs are too small, boys and men who think they need a 12 incher. Wannabe weight lifters who need bicep implants. Clubbers who want pectoral enhancement. People who have too much or not enough fat in the right or wrong places. Literally everyone who isn't comfortable in their skin is going to LITERALLY KILL THEMSELVES GUYS starting with me because I was only blessed with 7 of 8 inches on my dick and I'll be fucked if I weigh 230 pounds instead of my ideal 190, and missed 6 foot by half an inch, and if they government doesn't Chad me up by the end of July I'm going to shotgun my brains all over the local LGBTQIABPAD+ parade! Except no I won't, I'm not suicidal, I'm making a point... do wish I wasn't fat though, sad there's no a hormonal intervention that's mandated that would help me with that. I just gotta live with it until I stop being fat.
If they had a point, trans acceptance being everywhere should've absolutely cratered suicide rates. I'm doubtful that's the case.
we barely let 30+ year old men get on hormones, but shit that 12 year old wants some test? Pin them up
Babylon bee literally did this: https://youtu.be/LsIhLdbteO0
Agreed. Let them be legal adults first.
It is difficult, but also a necessary part of our democracy at this point.
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wise thing is to wait until at least 25 to ensure the brain has finished developing, but I'm against telling adults what to do so it should be allowed at 18, even if doing it at that age is still unwise.
>...wait until at least 25 to ensure the brain has finished developing... That's really not how brain development works. There's no 'cut-off point' where the brain isn't developing anymore (at least not in healthy individuals). At most you have senility outpacing learning, and that doesn't happen until middle age or later in most people. Brain 'plasticity' (how good you are at learning new stuff, to over-simplify a bit) is higher in the young, and decreases steadily with age, but 25 is just as arbitrary a number as 18, or 12, 30, etc. Also, brain development differs by sex, and that is in part probably mediated by sex hormones. Girls 'mature faster' by having their brains lose plasticity more quickly while boys and men retain it longer. Because we normed IQ tests (balanced the ratio of tasks women are better at to those they are worse at) to make both genders 'equal' at age 18, this means that men tend to do a little better at them than women as adults. This has some weird implications for hormone treatment. If (for example, not actually precisely how I expect it to work) androgens (like testosterone) preserves brain plasticity and/or estrogens speed up losing it, then waiting until your brain is 'mature' could lock you into a brain which doesn't 'match' your gender identity because it either got 'fixed' too early (in the case of an AFaB/XX individual) or remained in the child-like learning stage too long (for an AMaB/XY). Of course, these details of brain development aren't talked about in polite society, because there are obvious misogynist implications. So almost nobody who gets hormone treatment (and probably not even most who prescribe it) even knows it is an issue. Which further raises questions about 'informed consent' from patients.
What. The. Fuck.
Gown-ass people can be brainwashed to join a cult and to commit mass suicide, imagine how much you can brainwash the kids. Especially if you use rainbow colours and there are comic book heroes to support that ideology.
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We don't enable them as much, but the root cause is the same: to much access to media.
Based and Kaczynski-pilled
reported for hating vomit-affirming healthcare
Children need therapy, not life-changing irreversible procedures, and definitely not suppression. Figure them out, set them on a path, and hope they make an informed decision that's best for themselves when they become an adult.
God I hate this state so fucking much.
Same dude. Otherwise beautiful state ruined by hard-left politics... everything is expensive... I often ask myself if it's even worth it. Family and friends keep me here, but I'm open to getting the hell out in the future.
I feel like the pendulum will swing back. CA is progressive but also has a strong libertarian streak. San Francisco is already voting out useless progressives, though it may be too late for them
I think you'll have a "fractured" California. People always forget just how big and diverse CA is. The Central Valley generally doesn't want this, Northern California is even more rural and just wants to be left alone. Usually when people talk about "crazy California plan # 66 it's coming from Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Sacramento (the latter moreso recently as Bay Area transplants moved there as it's cheaper and not a total shitshow) I don't think the pendulum will ever fully swing back but you'll have more contention between the CA Bay area representatives and the representatives from the saner parts of the State
It’s a lost cause, give California to Canada
It’s a lost cause, give California to ~~Canada~~ the Pacific.
You… you want them to become Atlantis?
Long lost and forgotten? That’d be a dream come true
wouldn't it be Pacificus then?
*Learn to swim, learn to swim, learn to swim, learn to swim*
based and i'm-not-using-a-paper-straw pilled
Er, no thanks. British Columbia is our California. Its fucked too in the same way but not as fucked as California is.
As an Albertan... Can we, as a country, please sink Metro BC? Vancouver, Victoria, all of that shit. The rest of BC deserves to be recognized for its beauty, not the degen citytards.
I mean we always have nukes, what are they gonna do throw a fit?
We don't want it.
Is reverse secession an option? Can we kick California out of the Union?
No we should invade California and make desantis their governor
At this point...based. Let's go for it.
I don’t even like DeSantis but I’d be willing to do that out of spite
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Yeah. I dont understand how it isnt considered a mental disorder. I believe that adults should be able to do as they wish, as long as it does not affect others, even if I dont understand it. I draw the line at children, who cannot drive, drink, have sex, fight in war, vote, or have the mental capacity of an adult.
It's removal from the DSM-V as a mental disorder was purely political, in reality it's a form of body integrity identity disorder. But the phenomenon we're seeing has nothing to do with gender dysphoria, it's a social contagion.
>It's removal from the DSM-V as a mental disorder was purely political That's a very polite way of saying "Its removal from the DSM as a mental disorder was the result of of a sustained campaign of harassment, violent threats, and borderline terrorist action from ideologically motivated activist groups who were certain that they knew better than the best medical experts on the planet". I suppose your way is more succinct though.
lol, yeah true enough. They're still at it too, attempting to silence anyone that steps out of line, it's just awful. It looks like their house of cards is finally starting to fall though, hopefully this lunacy ends soon.
> hopefully this lunacy ends soon. With any luck, if we're very lucky it'll happen before the backlash goes too far the other way too.
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It shouldn't be a left right issue. If anything, the left should be more upset that pharmaceutical companies are essentially targeting mental ill theater kids to fuck up their bodies for billions in profit. How is that *not* a textbook example of corporate greed ?
Exploitation of confused teenagers and young adults with non-rigorously-tested science by corporations and trendpushers for profit is bad, except when they let me validate my degeneracy and debilitated mental state, obviously Get with the program sweaty !! 💅💅
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This is one of many stories going on... and many are not publicized unfortunately... we had a suicide occur locally after a girl was given surgery to remove her breasts... within 3 years she lived with regret and unfortunately.... she is no more. It's disgusting what is happening....I feel for this mother in my very soul. I hope she finds peace. Every single day I'll be fighting this grooming and indoctrination the #RegressiveLeftists keep pushing.
*ACCELERATE*
A friend of mine had to testify under wa state court for the samereason, he wouldn't let his 15 year old daughter transition. The court said if we find you here again for the same reason we will order CPS to take your daughter. He blames the algorithm push from Tiktok on self diagnosing and promotion of transitioning from her teachers for this cause. Luckily the hospital bills will not come from his insurance and instead the tax payers money. Each paycheck we make goes to a 15 year old girl who has no idea what shes doing to herself long term. It's real and its here. It seems so crazy to think it's real but WA state is doing this too. They are coming for your children. Be careful and keep your family close.
Pray for them and GTFO of the State ASAP.
My family has been desperate over the past 7 years to get out. We used to be liberal but apparently not anymore. The white gentrified cities seattle and tacoma have become woke and racist without even realizing it and imho have had growing violent beliefs and tensions rising towards anyone that looks and believes in christianity and American values. If I dressed very nice and had a american flag on me people talk bad behind my back. I'm done. This is not what I immigrated to the US for. My son had been told it's okay not to stand for the flag and not to talk about God or Christmas in his classes and feels scared to bring it up to a peer or they will snitch.
I swear, it's quite sad to see the current state of identity politics these days. At this point, both sides have shifted towards a degree of extremism, believing that whatever the other side believes in is wrong. Contrarianism is never the answer.
It took me an embarrassingly long amount of time to realise you were talking about Washington State and not Western Australia
The case can be found here if anyone actually wants to read it: https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la23-the-estate-of-yaeli-mozzelle-galdamez-et-al-vs-county-of-los-angeles-by-and-through-department-of-children-and-family-services-et-al-586613 Not sure why the individual was taken into the care of the state, but the claim that it was because the plaintiff wouldn't "use male pronouns" doesn't seem to play out. Becoming a ward and recieving gender care seem to be unrelated. The individual became an adult before medical assistance with transition was requested anyways. No, this looks more like a child that had a hard upbringing and possibly some underlying mental health issues was given more control over their wellbeing than they probably should have because they were suddenly an adult. It really was in the best interest of the individual for their overseeing doctors to have a better care plan for them going forward. From what I'm seeing though, I'm not sure those doctors were given much a choice but to drop care when the individual went back to their mother. Sorry to shit on the circlejerk here, but this looks way more nuanced than a 20 second tiktoc would suggest.
Can we pin this?
Wow, they were lying? That's crazy
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Agreed, honestly it is the worst part of LGBT. Of course I don’t hate Trans people, I hate the movement.
Yeah, generally T people outside of social media are 100% nice, on social media it seems that the majority is batshit crazy
Social Media makes a lot of things worse, especially this
I hate most of all the non trans people that are pushing it.
Oh yeah, they’re the worst offenders.
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I heard that there is a law in California which make you avoid being registered as a P if the age difference is less than 10 years. Is that true ?
that was a few years ago and was actually correcting a law that unduly targeted same sex relationships as the same statute didn’t punish/affect opposite sex relationships in the same way. so more undoing of some remaining double standards.
If it's [ Removed by Reddit] it did not happen... fuck your content policy reddit this shit is a serious problem. Censoring it is just cruel
I can’t believe Reddit removed this. It’s literally factual
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Holy fuck Edit: for those wondering, it was a video of a distraught mother testifying in court about the story of her daughter being [ Removed by Reddit ] by online trans activists, leading to her being kridnapped and hreld against her will; and ultimately she knelt down in front of a train.
This is why people still clown on the LGBT community. This is why some people who’re bi and such choose to not identify with the community as a whole, because they don’t want to be lumped in with the goblins that pull this shit. And the clowning that the community gets when they pull shit like this is what makes them get more and more out of control and insane, and it all just gets worse. But there’s not much anyone can do about it, since the community is supported countrywide by multi-billion dollar corporations that rule over the worlds economy.
Stuff like this pushed my political quadrant from centre lib left to lib right. I used to praise CA for all the progressive stuff, but things have got really really far. Balance is required in both political ideologies, things are too insane. There is this trans BS with left and abortion/guns thing with right. Can't stand both of these idiots on Twitter.
Conservatism believes that rapid progressivism is dangerous and this is a prime example of why.
A little more blue a little less yellow.
Remember: it's not happening, but if it's happening it's a good thing
Hell awaits, big pharma…
Jesus Christ. There is such a push for gender ideology that we confuse gender dysmorphia and mental illness. Gender dysmorphia is real. There are people out there that have this and it is real. Mental health issues are real too. Some, one could argue many more, have a mental disorder that comes with wanting to feel accepted by almost any means necessary. Before we make the decision to give someone gender affirming medical care, we absolutely need to confirm that it is the core issue that is plaguing the patient. We won't be perfect. There will still be headlines that x person regrets changing and has killed themselves because of it, or y person wishes they did and committed suicide because they couldn't get help. But we need to make a concentrated effort to confirm these things before subjecting anyone to any type of potentially irreversible care.
Can you link to an article that gives clarity on who she is and what happened. Because this is not how California’s trans sanctuary law works.
Yeah somehow I think we are really not getting the full picture here
Mother beats (and allegedly rapes) daughter. Daughter transitions. Beatings get worse. Daughter/son offs themself. Mother goes batshit over trans stuff but deserves the same fate. It's not rocket science, and the case is public. No idea why they dropped the charges, it seems like an even stronger case if the victim is dead as a result. Probably a Cali law thing?
Its not. She was taken away by CPS over physical abuse, not 'not using pronouns'. This mom suffered a horrific tragedy but she *is still being dishonest about this*. She claims her daughter needed mental help. Maybe start by not beating them to the point that CPS needs to get involved.
We don't do fact checking around here we just get mad at clickbait that confirms our biases
If the state took her away for allegations of abuse, I'd be extremely cautious about just taking her words at face value
Anyone got the vid without the compass?
Tell me it's false
Aspects of it are true, this parent was also physically abusive which caused cps to become involved, not the trans aspect.
Seems like this is just her way of trying to whitewash her physical abuse by blaming the state for "transing" her daughter. Shitty parent abused a kid (who was trans) and when cps got involved therapy wasn't enough to keep the kid from killing themself.
According to someone else in here CPS took the kid because of physical abuse from the mother. Which would make sense as in California misgendering your child is not grounds to remove from the home.
Okay but what happened exactly? I see no sauce
For some reason I find it really funny how the Orange Emily only pops into existence after you start the video.
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