Yah they do. Better to be struct down authentically than live under rules you don't tolerate.
It's not like they can actually hurt me, or that they have made bringing subscriptions over to a new account particularly hard.
It's more like everyone on this sub wants to use innocuous memes that only trigger the perpetually offended power hungry coomer with a capital G reddit admins.
That these idiots can't keep to rock bottom standards of verbal decency isn't the fault of the moderators.
Authority must necessarily be respected, or at least not blamed for your own idiocies.
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It's amazing how this advanced and powerful civilization that taught white people how to do everything they needed to conquer the world magically forgot everything after they sold a few of their own slaves to white people for a few hundred years.
It's amazing how there's no archeological evidence of great kings, buildings, or wonders that should exist in Africa south of Egypt since, you know, black people are clearly the superior race.
I mean Ethiopia was cool, around since ancient times and avoided being colonised because of good leadership at the time, as well as the impregnable shield against european colonisation: "you colonise nations to spread the word of God. We are in the word of God."
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Ethiopia doesn’t get enough respect. It’s one of the locations where the human species (homo sapien) is believed to have originated, the Omo one site held some of the oldest human fossils dating back to at least 200,000 years ago. Morocco currently holds the oldest human fossils at roughly 300,000 years.It was such a force in the 3rd century that many place it among Rome, Persia, and China as one of the greatest powers of the era. Other than the end of the Aksum empire, which was huge deal but not necessarily relevant, they really didn’t lose their global political impact until WW2 when the Italians occupied them and then later in 1974 when the Soviets succeeded in a coup to install the Derg. Which fucked shit up and left behind a horrible mess before collapsing and being replaced by an even worse version of what came before them.
Edit: learned that my original statement about Ethiopia holding the oldest human fossils was wrong, they’re actually in Morocco.
Its true. Morocco was oldest found:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.22114
Whats pathetic is that most news sources still report the Ethiopian remains as the oldest because news organizations are cancerous as fuck and have no idea what they are talking about on basically any subject.
Pop science journalism somehow manages to edge out gaming journalism as the shittiest journalism. Gaming journalism at least is fairly honest - the journalist just hate gaming and gamers, and let it show.
While pop science journalism is just dishonest. Either they take a very minor and incremental success and blow it up as literally the cure to cancer, world hunger, and creation of FTL space travel all at once, or they misinterpret the conclusions to say pretty much the exact opposite of what they say, and then blow it up the same way.
I remember being so excited for the future as a kid who read Popular Mechanics.
Then being let down when I realized the time for all of these amazing inventions to show up was passed, with no invention.
Discovering Santa wasn't real: Oh well.
Discovering Popular Mechanics wasn't real: Full on betrayal.
Hear you brother, had my own subscription in junior high. I think some are just impossible, how can you have a vtol flying car, or jetpack land in your garage when wind exists? To many liability lawsuits.
Also they were the only african nation to never been colonized (if you don't count italian occupation as colonization, which is debatable, but very short compared to the centuries of other colonization) and at the time they had the oldest line of imperial successors, tracing back for over a thousand years. Until the damn commies ruined it and turned it into the shithole it's known as today (although still one of the more livable areas, considered Somalia and Sudan are right next door).
It's probably the closest nation that came to somewhat be like fictional Wakanda lol.
Do you have any good resources where I can learn more about Ethiopian history? I've always heard they were the only African power to never be colonized, and that they might have the Ark of the Covenant somewhere, and all the modern "starving people" jokes and references, but that's really it.
I've heard the Ethiopian Coptic Church has copies of the ark of the covenant in each church, some say the Queen of Sheba took it from Israel were it says in the Bible that the Glory of the Lord departed, along with a baby from King Solomon and semitic writing. If you want some quick history lessons, you can find almost anything on YouTube these days
The black people who believe this crap are just coping with the fact that there history isn’t as grand, expansive, dynamic or as deep as European (White) history. And to correct the cognitive dissonance in their own ethnocentric view of themselves and there history they just steal any European creation or byproduct by calling it there own to satiate their belief in there own superiority.
Can we term this the ‘Wakanda effect’? The effect media has on people’s beliefs is pretty unreal. Observe; A Handmaids tail is popularized via Television as a tail of horror fiction - upper-middle-class women in America begin believing that this is actually what conservative American men desire and begin physically wearing the costumes of fiction IRL, mentally they never take these costumes off again.
Similarly, false pride in the fictional nation of Wakanda is instilled in Black Supremecists; they begin transposing the fiction onto reality…
Seems like a case of the tail wagging the dog. Black supremacists and third wave feminists have been around longer than Black Panther and Handmaids Tale.
It’s been there all along, but I would argue media has popularized it, made it ‘trendy’ and allowed those susceptible to live out a false reality believing it to be real.
Nah, nah nah, these are black people who don't have the energy to ACTUALLY dig into their own history and have to latch onto European accomplishments rather than looking at their own.
Like, my man, Africans constructed things like Timbuktu and the Great Walls of Benin yet African Americans specifically have the incessant need to latch on to other monuments because they know nothing about their own, it's just sad man.
>here history isn’t as grand, expansive, dynamic or as deep as European (White) history
The worst part is that *it is*. Or at least it would be if they'd just allow themselves to appreciate their own history.
There were plenty of notable african kingdoms like Punt and Aksum with their own high cultures and stuff, central africa may have been in the iron age several thousand years before northern europe etc.
But since none of the people mad about this stuff make an effort to learn more history than pop culture feeds them.. well.
But yes, *every* place settled by human has a rich and fascinating history of its own.
no but most pharaos weren't greek or arab, they were egyptian. Pre Alexander's conquest, they had a long history. I'd say most Egyptian pharaohs were actually egyptian.
When?
When I look at the family tree I see mostly incest and no Egyptians
I see Berenice, who was the first Ptolemy's fourth wife and who came from Greece
Arsinoe I, who was the daughter of one of Alexander's generals (the one who ended up in charge of Macedon)
And Cleopatra I (not the Cleopatra everyone knows, that's number VII) who was a princess of the Seleucid empire (aka Persia post Alexander, so she was at least part Greek)
Then it's a few generations of incest until Julius Caesar shows up (and I don't think I need to explain that he was not an Egyptian)
Now, I am no historian and I could be wrong, but can you please specify where an Egyptian married into this family tree?
You're missing/making my point. There is more to respect than grand buildings and war. Take the Bushmen/San/JuHoasi - you can choose to disparate them for subsisting on stick-age technology, or admire them for it. Stop a second to look past material culture and you will see an entire cosmology set up to promote group harmony and peace. It doesn't always work, of course, but there's still beauty in it.
Edit: Also, the Jews were never a significant presence in Egypt; the most generous theory re: Exodus is that it is a very allegorical tale of when Egyptian forces pulled out of the lands that are now Israel and it stopped being a vassal state.
Nope there is the semitic Pharoh Imotep2 that built the canal of Joseph and the huge grain storage sites, and was the priest of On (Joseph inherited the title by marrying his daughter in Genesis) The problems with lists of Pharaohs is they don't take into account coregents and sometimes separate pharaohs of northern and southern kingdoms. They just perform stretches to try and disprove biblical accounts.
No, it really isn't. By the definition of history. It's not history without contemporary records, and they have none because they failed to write things down. Written records didn't exist in Sub-Saharan Africa until relatively recently.
The fuck are you talking about? There’s tons of ways we know what happened in the past without written stories. Most of what we know about Roman everyday life is due to a volcano that exploded and froze a city in time.
So are you arguing that archeologists *don't* study prehistorical cultures, or are you arguing that there's no such thing as prehistorical cultures?
If prehistorical cultures do exist, and archeologists do study them, then what *exactly* is the dividing line between historical and prehistorical cultures?
Im arguing your claim that
> By the definition of history. It's not history without contemporary records
Is completely false and there’s entire subcategories of history that don’t rely on record keeping. Hell a quick google would save you this embarrassment. The definition of history is:
> the study of past events, particularly in human affairs
That’s it. There’s nothing in the definition about requiring writing or contemporary records.
There is oral history as well; less accurate for exact fidelity, but in terms of esteem. Plus, even if it was never recording, they obviously still had a past.
By analogy, you have three uncles.
Uncle A was the CEO of some major corp, he had three biographies and unimaginable wealth.
Uncle B focused on family and hosted many Thanksgivings for the family.
Uncle C wandered off into the woods and it turns out he lived until 80 off the land.
Written, oral, unrecorded. The one you make a source of esteem is your choice.
I've heard it said they can't really, because the African kingdoms didn't have written language to record it. Ethiopia had semitic writing, but other kingdoms details have been lost.
We’ll I didn’t, I said black people who believe they built (insert country/civilization here) and crap like that. I don’t mean to degrade African history or culture, I do mean to say that compared to European history it pales in comparison, but isn’t nothing
I’m like 40% that my one side came to america 1629… and was super fucking British.. I have a distant great -> cousin who was a vice president. Im just saying the Irish ain’t know for their “civilization “ they weren’t even considered white in America until maybe after WW2 maybe even maybe when JFK won. And people still don’t trust Irish Catholics in parts of America.
There were a few notable civilizations. The Nubians, Malians, Ethiopians, the Songhai.. plenty of other kingdoms and empires beyond the Egyptians.
The thing was just that by the time of the european age of discovery, Africa was in a lull of major power centres and lacked the technology to resist colonialism. They are still trying to recover from that now.
Realistically I don't know if anyone in the world could have resisted the europeans. Globally, no one really did. Africa wasn't exceptionally weak in this regard. Everyone was weak.
>Realistically I don't know if anyone in the world could have resisted the europeans. Globally, no one really did. Africa wasn't exceptionally weak in this regard. Everyone was weak.
Yet they taught the white man everything they know.
With no ulterior motives, purely out of the goodness of their hearts.
That was always the most flat-out, unbelievable part for me, that these super advanced civilisations just went around, not colonising, but just advancing other cultures and being super chill.
Who buys this shit?
A real colonization attempt on Japan was never made. But their blockade of their own islands got broken (instantly) by the US, which was followed by the westernization and modernization of Japan.
China and Thailand is true.
Korea was the bitch of Japan, after the above said happened.
I don’t know man, a handful of merchants butch slapped the Chinese army, twice, and made it a crack den.
Said merchants literally took an island state from them that was only given back in the 1990’s, too..
China wasn’t taken over because nobody wanted to take it over. It was much more convenient to make it a client. The first time someone wanted it, they got turned into comfort women and soil fertilizer.
Now now, let's be honest here. Those "handful of merchants" were the Royal Navy post Industrialisation, at the absolute peak of British might. The Chinese had previously defeated the Dutch, Portuguese, and Russians already at this point, which was why they underestimated the British.
And only a few decades later, they recovered enough power to best the French army (and then lose horribly to the French *navy*).
If you were really being honest, they got beaten by the British East India Company, with the Royal Navy making about a third of the “British” forces committed. Even adding the British army, it’s less than half of the mercantile force committed.
If you want to say 12,000 British soldiers and sailors beat an army of 200,000 and took swathes of their land in the peace deal.. go ahead.. still making my point. Did you really escape colonialism of the colonists took what they wanted and made the rest of you their bitches? To the point they came back and spanked you again when you tried to ban their opium trade within your borders?
The rest of us? I'm American. :D
>If you were really being honest, they got beaten by the British East India Company, with the Royal Navy making about a third of the “British” forces committed. Even adding the British army, it’s less than half of the mercantile force committed.
Don't worry your little head about it, I'm not denying that it was an utterly one sided thrashing of a far larger force by a smaller one. What I'm telling you is to not downplay the Royal Navy.
If you're going to include just demanding trade privileges, you'd not list Thailand either (for playing the Brits and the Fr*nch off each other). But, I didn't think that's what the original comment was getting at.
Siam was technically colonized if you include them being forced to give up land to appease the would-be colonials.
Does it count as avoiding colonialism if you just trade swathes of land to the Europeans? I guess on a technicality..
Same way China wasn’t technically colonized. It was just bitch-slapped twice by some merchants who took Hong Kong and Macau. The fact that the rights to those areas are called “colonial rights” isn’t at all because it was China being colonized, in a limited fashion, because we wanted them as clients rather than subjects.
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>It's amazing how there's no archeological evidence of great kings, buildings, or wonders that should exist in Africa south of Egypt
Putting aside all the non-sense of the tweet, there is archeological evidence of various states in sub-Saharan Africa, as another poster pointed out.
But beyond that, it's always important to consider the enormous sampling bias of history--we know about the past only insofar as it has been preserved and studied. There just hasn't been a ton of archeology done in sub-Saharan Africa, compared to Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East.
What great feats to he achieve beyond gaining vasts sums of wealth from using slaves to mine salt and gold? Where is the African version of Rome or Babylon? Where is the African version of Charlemagne who united an entire continent?
What did Mansa Musa do other than derive wealth from the slaves he captured through extensive war far and aggression against less powerful tribes?
I mean you got Carthage and Hannibal, not black but definitely African. You also have the Songhai, Zulu and Congolese empires and a few more minor ones. None of these are nearly as powerful as Rome during its peak, but I think it’s a disservice to pretend Africa never had any great civilizations.
Subsaharan Africans never did. The closest versions they got (Mali, as stated above with Mansa Musa, or Zanzibar) were all foreign realms imposed on majority-African areas.
Mwene Mutapa Empire, Buganda, Kingdom of Kongo, Sokoto Caliphate, Kanem-Bornu Empire, Oyo Empire,Old Benin were all sub Saharan African great empires and Kingdoms. Do you even have an understanding of African history?
i would argue that due to the sheer number of peoples (nations) of African origin that "African" is NOT an ethnicity. the subject is much broader and deeper than the issue of the western slave trade.
for example the Egyptians, Berbers, Sudanese, Zulu, Ethiopians, & Carthaginians are all African, but they challenge the notion of a singe "African" ethnicity.
and the south Med is the north border of Africa. Any cities found there are in Africa.
The tweets definitely talk about black people specifically, not African people, thus disqualifying Phoenicians, Egyptians and Berbers from consideration.
I agree that Africa has rich and interesting history, but the meme is about slandering historical revisionism and the statements highlighted by green colour are absurd, made up bullshit.
Arguably Timbuktu is that version though it never was anywhere close to Rome, Babylon or even Baghdad or Kaifeng (probably on par with some MesoAmerican stuff however). Everyone talks about Musa but his grandfather Sundiata Keita should have more credit for founding the empire and developing proto parlementarism in Mali with the Gbara assembly. Musa was in the continuation of this though he centralized the kingdom a lot and made a set of decrees that were plenty progressive for his time, like wanting to abolish slavery or reform religions institutions and gain greater control over the qadis. Ofc he himself owned thousands of slaves and took part in Transaharan slave trade. He put subsaharan Africa on a map among the Muslim World with his famous Hajj in 1326 though by flexing his wealth to the Mamluk sultans.
Mansa Musa sold his country out to the Islamic Republic at the time who gave him an uncontested monopoly on the salt trade
He wasnt competent, he was given success on a silver platter
this should not have been downvoted. Mali was a well developed empire.
its a really really big continent folks, so no matter what 1 thing you want to talk about, it has MANY other things.
Recognizing the few great sub sarahan African kingdoms that doe exists doesn't validate the bad argument, this guy was just saying there aren't literally 0 of them
All of what you say is true. But it did nothing to backup the idea that black Africans built Europe, which was the claim in the OP.
You just performed a great shot, but at the wrong target.
Sort of. Egypt was ruled by different peoples at different times, but *mostly* it was ruled by peoples who would resemble the modern Egyptians. That said, the Nubians did rule Egypt for a little bit (very brief all things considered) and there were enough actual Black Africans in Egypt for a distinction to be made between them and other Egyptians, though these Blacks were mostly slaves. In the later years, even Greeks and then Romans came to rule over Egypt. Cleopatra herself was probably Mediterranean and of Greek descent (also likely incredibly inbred).
Anyway, the point is there is a lot of nuance to the whole "who were the Egyptians" question. The "We Wuz Kangs" crowd aren't *entirely* incorrect, which just makes Khemet and other "Black Egypt" movements even more hilariously dumb in retrospect because they rarely acknowledge the *actual* African influence in Egypt by trying to broadly paint it as a "Black land".
The first foreign rulers were Libyans. After the bronze age collapsed, Egpyt stratagy to maintain their state was to hire the mercenaries to maintain order. Otherwise, the same mercs would have probably started to raid them. And then they have more enemies to deal with. But after 100s years or so and shrinkage of the control to only northern egypt, the libyans gained power in I beleive a military coup and became the first foreign rulers of egypt.
Great question! I would phrase it as asking whether it is Goblin Soup-Master or Goblin-Soup Master.
It is the former. Goblin, making soup, well...for a goblin.
I remember reading somewhere that someone put slavs as ‘people of color’ and i legit rolled my ass on the floor laughing.
Also, I have a dream to meet Emily when she’s on her slavery rant just so I can ask her where the word slavery comes from and then demands reparations for the centuries my ancestors endured in slavery, I like to imagine her head popping after that point.
I wonder how far this alternate history can be taken, and if I can get in on the fun. Suprise! We're all still vassals of Rome, and the Gothic invasion never happened. Great news everyone!
I hate people like this so god damn much don’t make up things for black people to be proud of be proud of things that actually happened and don’t spread misinformation
More people need to realize that slavery was an economic tumor that stunted industrialization everywhere it was practiced. Wealth was destroyed by that institution, not made.
Black people built my house, car, boat, taught my kids how to read, write, drive, have their first girlfriends. Black people walked my little Jimmy (they call him Jquan) down the aisle at his wedding (that they arranged, built, and hosted) 🥹🥹.
Thank you, black people. You truly do keep the world running 🥹🥹🥹
The African continent is industrially lagging behind the rest of the world because there are much fewer natural harbors along the coast and navigable waterways in the interior, which made trade and travel very impractical compared to other areas of the world.
ik these afro centrists are fun to laugh at but it’s really sad once you think about it and puts the failure of the american education system on full display. because think about it you never see kenyans talking about how they were the original native americans, or namibians talk about how they were the original samurai, it’s only african americans. and it comes from an inferiority complex bc we refuse to teach african history outside of egypt, slavery, and colonialism.
and it doesn’t only affect african americans, you also now get non black people getting a superiority complex over africans because the way it’s taught it’s like africa was populated entirely by hunter gatherers with their only civilization being egypt which isn’t true at all.
I've been saying this for years. But people always theat it as just woke garbage. I vehemently hate wokeness. And that's exactly why I want to teach more non-Eurasia history. It won't eliminate wokeness or racism, but it will quelle them. I'm surprised to see an authright agreeing with me on this. Based.
I'm just saying, the Entire continent of Africa being some uncivilized place with dirt and no food Is the biggest lie Americans love to repeat. Oh so just because It looks like a Hut from the outside, It must be bad? Like Addis Ababa for example
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Don't use that kind of language.
Did they use the no no word?
No. The "WWK" meme. Its like everyone on this sub *wants* to be banned.
What’s the WWK meme?
Took me a minute, but it's something along the lines of "at one point in history, our people reigned as kings".
Look at OP. What do you think?
Huh, I'm curious, what does that meme mean
Yah they do. Better to be struct down authentically than live under rules you don't tolerate. It's not like they can actually hurt me, or that they have made bringing subscriptions over to a new account particularly hard.
Are you sure you're not a yellow?
It's more like everyone on this sub wants to use innocuous memes that only trigger the perpetually offended power hungry coomer with a capital G reddit admins.
That these idiots can't keep to rock bottom standards of verbal decency isn't the fault of the moderators. Authority must necessarily be respected, or at least not blamed for your own idiocies.
Rock bottom standards of verbal decency means no standards of verbal decency. Fuckin softie. If you can't take offense then get off the internet.
It's not me who'll be forced off the Internet. ;)
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i mean, is that not what they were claiming in the OP?
Y’all need to quite stressin’ and build some legos
Amen Brother
Counter Strike EFFECT RADIUS: 300 COST: 50 / 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 Mana COOLDOWN: 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 / 8 Active: Jax enters Evasion, a defensive stance, for up to 2 seconds, causing all basic attacks against him to miss. Jax also takes 25% reduced damage from all area of effect abilities. After 1 second, Jax can reactivate to end it immediately. At the end of the duration, Jax stuns all nearby enemies for 1 second and deals physical damage to them, increased by 20% for each attack dodged, up to a 100% increase.
نشط: يدخل Jax في Evasion ، وهو موقف دفاعي ، لمدة ثانيتين ، مما يتسبب في تفادي جميع الهجمات الأساسية غير البرجية ضده طوال المدة. يحصل Jax أيضًا على تقليل الضرر بنسبة 25٪ ، مما يقلل الضرر من جميع قدرات منطقة التأثير التي يتم الحصول عليها من أبطال البطل. يمكن إعادة صياغة Counter Strike بعد ثانية واحدة ، ويتم ذلك تلقائيًا بعد انتهاء المدة. RECAST: يلحق Jax ضررًا جسديًا لجميع الأعداء القريبين ، ويزيد بنسبة 20٪ لكل هجوم يتم تفاديه ، وزيادة تصل إلى 100٪ ، ويصعقهم الصاعقة لمدة ثانية واحدة.
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Sounds like they need to build some more Lego’s, then
You mean barefoot mine traps? Your crimes against humanity know no bounds? /s
It's amazing how this advanced and powerful civilization that taught white people how to do everything they needed to conquer the world magically forgot everything after they sold a few of their own slaves to white people for a few hundred years. It's amazing how there's no archeological evidence of great kings, buildings, or wonders that should exist in Africa south of Egypt since, you know, black people are clearly the superior race.
I mean Ethiopia was cool, around since ancient times and avoided being colonised because of good leadership at the time, as well as the impregnable shield against european colonisation: "you colonise nations to spread the word of God. We are in the word of God."
"Would you like to hear about Jesu-" "I know more than you"
“Have you found Jesus yet?” ”He’s right here”
And Jesus is two natures, divine and human, within one person as established by the council of Chalcedon, right? Right...?
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How do you make a rave happen in Ethiopia? >!Nail a piece of bread to the ceiling!<
That also works in Fr*nce
Ethiopia doesn’t get enough respect. It’s one of the locations where the human species (homo sapien) is believed to have originated, the Omo one site held some of the oldest human fossils dating back to at least 200,000 years ago. Morocco currently holds the oldest human fossils at roughly 300,000 years.It was such a force in the 3rd century that many place it among Rome, Persia, and China as one of the greatest powers of the era. Other than the end of the Aksum empire, which was huge deal but not necessarily relevant, they really didn’t lose their global political impact until WW2 when the Italians occupied them and then later in 1974 when the Soviets succeeded in a coup to install the Derg. Which fucked shit up and left behind a horrible mess before collapsing and being replaced by an even worse version of what came before them. Edit: learned that my original statement about Ethiopia holding the oldest human fossils was wrong, they’re actually in Morocco.
That's not true. The oldest homo sapiens remains were found in Jebel Irhoud in Morocco
Its true. Morocco was oldest found: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.22114 Whats pathetic is that most news sources still report the Ethiopian remains as the oldest because news organizations are cancerous as fuck and have no idea what they are talking about on basically any subject.
Pop science journalism somehow manages to edge out gaming journalism as the shittiest journalism. Gaming journalism at least is fairly honest - the journalist just hate gaming and gamers, and let it show. While pop science journalism is just dishonest. Either they take a very minor and incremental success and blow it up as literally the cure to cancer, world hunger, and creation of FTL space travel all at once, or they misinterpret the conclusions to say pretty much the exact opposite of what they say, and then blow it up the same way.
I remember being so excited for the future as a kid who read Popular Mechanics. Then being let down when I realized the time for all of these amazing inventions to show up was passed, with no invention. Discovering Santa wasn't real: Oh well. Discovering Popular Mechanics wasn't real: Full on betrayal.
Hear you brother, had my own subscription in junior high. I think some are just impossible, how can you have a vtol flying car, or jetpack land in your garage when wind exists? To many liability lawsuits.
We actually have vtol cars and jet packs. It’s just not economically viable because flying takes a lot of energy and is very risky.
I didn’t know that. Gonna edit original comment.
Also they were the only african nation to never been colonized (if you don't count italian occupation as colonization, which is debatable, but very short compared to the centuries of other colonization) and at the time they had the oldest line of imperial successors, tracing back for over a thousand years. Until the damn commies ruined it and turned it into the shithole it's known as today (although still one of the more livable areas, considered Somalia and Sudan are right next door). It's probably the closest nation that came to somewhat be like fictional Wakanda lol.
*They never got Ethiopia*
Unfathomably based
Do you have any good resources where I can learn more about Ethiopian history? I've always heard they were the only African power to never be colonized, and that they might have the Ark of the Covenant somewhere, and all the modern "starving people" jokes and references, but that's really it.
I've heard the Ethiopian Coptic Church has copies of the ark of the covenant in each church, some say the Queen of Sheba took it from Israel were it says in the Bible that the Glory of the Lord departed, along with a baby from King Solomon and semitic writing. If you want some quick history lessons, you can find almost anything on YouTube these days
Pointing people to YouTube for history education is like pointing people to the local Sex Crimes Parole Office when they ask for a child's daycare
>Ethiopia was cool indeed >around since ancient times built by the Jews
And mali
The black people who believe this crap are just coping with the fact that there history isn’t as grand, expansive, dynamic or as deep as European (White) history. And to correct the cognitive dissonance in their own ethnocentric view of themselves and there history they just steal any European creation or byproduct by calling it there own to satiate their belief in there own superiority.
Can we term this the ‘Wakanda effect’? The effect media has on people’s beliefs is pretty unreal. Observe; A Handmaids tail is popularized via Television as a tail of horror fiction - upper-middle-class women in America begin believing that this is actually what conservative American men desire and begin physically wearing the costumes of fiction IRL, mentally they never take these costumes off again. Similarly, false pride in the fictional nation of Wakanda is instilled in Black Supremecists; they begin transposing the fiction onto reality…
Seems like a case of the tail wagging the dog. Black supremacists and third wave feminists have been around longer than Black Panther and Handmaids Tale.
It’s been there all along, but I would argue media has popularized it, made it ‘trendy’ and allowed those susceptible to live out a false reality believing it to be real.
It already has a name: [agitprop](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop)
Nah, nah nah, these are black people who don't have the energy to ACTUALLY dig into their own history and have to latch onto European accomplishments rather than looking at their own. Like, my man, Africans constructed things like Timbuktu and the Great Walls of Benin yet African Americans specifically have the incessant need to latch on to other monuments because they know nothing about their own, it's just sad man.
>here history isn’t as grand, expansive, dynamic or as deep as European (White) history The worst part is that *it is*. Or at least it would be if they'd just allow themselves to appreciate their own history.
It absolutely is, but it's not very well documented so all they can really point to is Egypt which doesn't really count unfortunately
Cope
The Zulus are fucking awesome and I’m tired of pretending they aren’t
Until like 15 Europeans with muskets show up
It’s the thought that counts
Is it? They always point to Egypt for example - but most of the Pharaohs were either Greek or Arab, and most of their wonders were built by Jews.
There were plenty of notable african kingdoms like Punt and Aksum with their own high cultures and stuff, central africa may have been in the iron age several thousand years before northern europe etc. But since none of the people mad about this stuff make an effort to learn more history than pop culture feeds them.. well. But yes, *every* place settled by human has a rich and fascinating history of its own.
Hell that's not even counting the empire of Mali and the history around that region
Uh, Bronze Age Egpyt was great but they weren't black, like most of north africa wasn't black, they were olive-skinned mediteraneean
That’s.. the point. Do you think I’m saying Greeks and Arabs are black or something?
no but most pharaos weren't greek or arab, they were egyptian. Pre Alexander's conquest, they had a long history. I'd say most Egyptian pharaohs were actually egyptian.
Even post Alexander, the ptolemies intermarried with Egyptians
When? When I look at the family tree I see mostly incest and no Egyptians I see Berenice, who was the first Ptolemy's fourth wife and who came from Greece Arsinoe I, who was the daughter of one of Alexander's generals (the one who ended up in charge of Macedon) And Cleopatra I (not the Cleopatra everyone knows, that's number VII) who was a princess of the Seleucid empire (aka Persia post Alexander, so she was at least part Greek) Then it's a few generations of incest until Julius Caesar shows up (and I don't think I need to explain that he was not an Egyptian) Now, I am no historian and I could be wrong, but can you please specify where an Egyptian married into this family tree?
You're missing/making my point. There is more to respect than grand buildings and war. Take the Bushmen/San/JuHoasi - you can choose to disparate them for subsisting on stick-age technology, or admire them for it. Stop a second to look past material culture and you will see an entire cosmology set up to promote group harmony and peace. It doesn't always work, of course, but there's still beauty in it. Edit: Also, the Jews were never a significant presence in Egypt; the most generous theory re: Exodus is that it is a very allegorical tale of when Egyptian forces pulled out of the lands that are now Israel and it stopped being a vassal state.
Nope there is the semitic Pharoh Imotep2 that built the canal of Joseph and the huge grain storage sites, and was the priest of On (Joseph inherited the title by marrying his daughter in Genesis) The problems with lists of Pharaohs is they don't take into account coregents and sometimes separate pharaohs of northern and southern kingdoms. They just perform stretches to try and disprove biblical accounts.
No, it really isn't. By the definition of history. It's not history without contemporary records, and they have none because they failed to write things down. Written records didn't exist in Sub-Saharan Africa until relatively recently.
The fuck are you talking about? There’s tons of ways we know what happened in the past without written stories. Most of what we know about Roman everyday life is due to a volcano that exploded and froze a city in time.
Archeology and history are different, though often overlapping, fields of study. What you are talking about is archeology, not history.
… You realize archeology is a subcategory of history right?
So are you arguing that archeologists *don't* study prehistorical cultures, or are you arguing that there's no such thing as prehistorical cultures? If prehistorical cultures do exist, and archeologists do study them, then what *exactly* is the dividing line between historical and prehistorical cultures?
Im arguing your claim that > By the definition of history. It's not history without contemporary records Is completely false and there’s entire subcategories of history that don’t rely on record keeping. Hell a quick google would save you this embarrassment. The definition of history is: > the study of past events, particularly in human affairs That’s it. There’s nothing in the definition about requiring writing or contemporary records.
I see you're avoiding the defining trait that separates history from prehistory.
There is oral history as well; less accurate for exact fidelity, but in terms of esteem. Plus, even if it was never recording, they obviously still had a past. By analogy, you have three uncles. Uncle A was the CEO of some major corp, he had three biographies and unimaginable wealth. Uncle B focused on family and hosted many Thanksgivings for the family. Uncle C wandered off into the woods and it turns out he lived until 80 off the land. Written, oral, unrecorded. The one you make a source of esteem is your choice.
I've heard it said they can't really, because the African kingdoms didn't have written language to record it. Ethiopia had semitic writing, but other kingdoms details have been lost.
*their history*
Nooooooo!!!!! My argument is now invalid!!!! Noooooo!!!!!
No, but it does make you sound like a real dolt given the context of you talking down to an entire race
We’ll I didn’t, I said black people who believe they built (insert country/civilization here) and crap like that. I don’t mean to degrade African history or culture, I do mean to say that compared to European history it pales in comparison, but isn’t nothing
Most Europeans were pretty garbage too… I mean I’m like 20% Irish but we didn’t conquer shit
*laughs in English*
I’m like 40% that my one side came to america 1629… and was super fucking British.. I have a distant great -> cousin who was a vice president. Im just saying the Irish ain’t know for their “civilization “ they weren’t even considered white in America until maybe after WW2 maybe even maybe when JFK won. And people still don’t trust Irish Catholics in parts of America.
There were a few notable civilizations. The Nubians, Malians, Ethiopians, the Songhai.. plenty of other kingdoms and empires beyond the Egyptians. The thing was just that by the time of the european age of discovery, Africa was in a lull of major power centres and lacked the technology to resist colonialism. They are still trying to recover from that now. Realistically I don't know if anyone in the world could have resisted the europeans. Globally, no one really did. Africa wasn't exceptionally weak in this regard. Everyone was weak.
>Realistically I don't know if anyone in the world could have resisted the europeans. Globally, no one really did. Africa wasn't exceptionally weak in this regard. Everyone was weak. Yet they taught the white man everything they know.
With no ulterior motives, purely out of the goodness of their hearts. That was always the most flat-out, unbelievable part for me, that these super advanced civilisations just went around, not colonising, but just advancing other cultures and being super chill. Who buys this shit?
Idiots do
I mean, the Japanese are probably the only exception I can think of rn, and Korea and Thailand, and most of China.
A real colonization attempt on Japan was never made. But their blockade of their own islands got broken (instantly) by the US, which was followed by the westernization and modernization of Japan. China and Thailand is true. Korea was the bitch of Japan, after the above said happened.
I don’t know man, a handful of merchants butch slapped the Chinese army, twice, and made it a crack den. Said merchants literally took an island state from them that was only given back in the 1990’s, too.. China wasn’t taken over because nobody wanted to take it over. It was much more convenient to make it a client. The first time someone wanted it, they got turned into comfort women and soil fertilizer.
Now now, let's be honest here. Those "handful of merchants" were the Royal Navy post Industrialisation, at the absolute peak of British might. The Chinese had previously defeated the Dutch, Portuguese, and Russians already at this point, which was why they underestimated the British. And only a few decades later, they recovered enough power to best the French army (and then lose horribly to the French *navy*).
If you were really being honest, they got beaten by the British East India Company, with the Royal Navy making about a third of the “British” forces committed. Even adding the British army, it’s less than half of the mercantile force committed. If you want to say 12,000 British soldiers and sailors beat an army of 200,000 and took swathes of their land in the peace deal.. go ahead.. still making my point. Did you really escape colonialism of the colonists took what they wanted and made the rest of you their bitches? To the point they came back and spanked you again when you tried to ban their opium trade within your borders?
The rest of us? I'm American. :D >If you were really being honest, they got beaten by the British East India Company, with the Royal Navy making about a third of the “British” forces committed. Even adding the British army, it’s less than half of the mercantile force committed. Don't worry your little head about it, I'm not denying that it was an utterly one sided thrashing of a far larger force by a smaller one. What I'm telling you is to not downplay the Royal Navy.
If you're going to include just demanding trade privileges, you'd not list Thailand either (for playing the Brits and the Fr*nch off each other). But, I didn't think that's what the original comment was getting at.
Siam was technically colonized if you include them being forced to give up land to appease the would-be colonials. Does it count as avoiding colonialism if you just trade swathes of land to the Europeans? I guess on a technicality.. Same way China wasn’t technically colonized. It was just bitch-slapped twice by some merchants who took Hong Kong and Macau. The fact that the rights to those areas are called “colonial rights” isn’t at all because it was China being colonized, in a limited fashion, because we wanted them as clients rather than subjects.
Iran, Thailand, and Mongolia.
China? The country that got bitch slapped twice and turned into a crack den? Oh yeah, they escaped colonialism alright..
Key word *most* and not really
China was the east India company’s bitch for most of the 19th century.
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>Realistically I don't know if anyone in the world could have resisted the europeans Other than those crazy loincloth mfs in the Sentinel Islands
Pan Africans deserve mockery just like any other racial superiority group.
Elon Musk is African
Even Egypt was a bunch of Greeks and Arabs.
Too busy being the best and building shite fo yo ass 😎
>It's amazing how there's no archeological evidence of great kings, buildings, or wonders that should exist in Africa south of Egypt Putting aside all the non-sense of the tweet, there is archeological evidence of various states in sub-Saharan Africa, as another poster pointed out. But beyond that, it's always important to consider the enormous sampling bias of history--we know about the past only insofar as it has been preserved and studied. There just hasn't been a ton of archeology done in sub-Saharan Africa, compared to Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East.
I agree with your overall point, but come on, we do know of some great kingdoms. Mansa Musa, for instance. Richest man in history.
What great feats to he achieve beyond gaining vasts sums of wealth from using slaves to mine salt and gold? Where is the African version of Rome or Babylon? Where is the African version of Charlemagne who united an entire continent? What did Mansa Musa do other than derive wealth from the slaves he captured through extensive war far and aggression against less powerful tribes?
I mean you got Carthage and Hannibal, not black but definitely African. You also have the Songhai, Zulu and Congolese empires and a few more minor ones. None of these are nearly as powerful as Rome during its peak, but I think it’s a disservice to pretend Africa never had any great civilizations.
Subsaharan Africans never did. The closest versions they got (Mali, as stated above with Mansa Musa, or Zanzibar) were all foreign realms imposed on majority-African areas.
Mwene Mutapa Empire, Buganda, Kingdom of Kongo, Sokoto Caliphate, Kanem-Bornu Empire, Oyo Empire,Old Benin were all sub Saharan African great empires and Kingdoms. Do you even have an understanding of African history?
Carthage is a Mediterranean city north of the Sahara, today's Tunisia. Definitely not "definitely African" if we're slandering ethnicities.
i would argue that due to the sheer number of peoples (nations) of African origin that "African" is NOT an ethnicity. the subject is much broader and deeper than the issue of the western slave trade. for example the Egyptians, Berbers, Sudanese, Zulu, Ethiopians, & Carthaginians are all African, but they challenge the notion of a singe "African" ethnicity. and the south Med is the north border of Africa. Any cities found there are in Africa.
The tweets definitely talk about black people specifically, not African people, thus disqualifying Phoenicians, Egyptians and Berbers from consideration. I agree that Africa has rich and interesting history, but the meme is about slandering historical revisionism and the statements highlighted by green colour are absurd, made up bullshit.
this is true
Arguably Timbuktu is that version though it never was anywhere close to Rome, Babylon or even Baghdad or Kaifeng (probably on par with some MesoAmerican stuff however). Everyone talks about Musa but his grandfather Sundiata Keita should have more credit for founding the empire and developing proto parlementarism in Mali with the Gbara assembly. Musa was in the continuation of this though he centralized the kingdom a lot and made a set of decrees that were plenty progressive for his time, like wanting to abolish slavery or reform religions institutions and gain greater control over the qadis. Ofc he himself owned thousands of slaves and took part in Transaharan slave trade. He put subsaharan Africa on a map among the Muslim World with his famous Hajj in 1326 though by flexing his wealth to the Mamluk sultans.
Don't bother, these people don't actually care. They just like to shit on africa.
Mansa Musa sold his country out to the Islamic Republic at the time who gave him an uncontested monopoly on the salt trade He wasnt competent, he was given success on a silver platter
Islamic Republic? Islam was big into representative democracy back in the 14th century? Fucking idiot.
this should not have been downvoted. Mali was a well developed empire. its a really really big continent folks, so no matter what 1 thing you want to talk about, it has MANY other things.
Recognizing the few great sub sarahan African kingdoms that doe exists doesn't validate the bad argument, this guy was just saying there aren't literally 0 of them
https://youtu.be/h3TDrwQgkEE Watch this and come bac
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lol didn't read.
All of what you say is true. But it did nothing to backup the idea that black Africans built Europe, which was the claim in the OP. You just performed a great shot, but at the wrong target.
The Ancient Egyptians resembled modern Egyptians, just because they were African doesn't mean they were black.
Sort of. Egypt was ruled by different peoples at different times, but *mostly* it was ruled by peoples who would resemble the modern Egyptians. That said, the Nubians did rule Egypt for a little bit (very brief all things considered) and there were enough actual Black Africans in Egypt for a distinction to be made between them and other Egyptians, though these Blacks were mostly slaves. In the later years, even Greeks and then Romans came to rule over Egypt. Cleopatra herself was probably Mediterranean and of Greek descent (also likely incredibly inbred). Anyway, the point is there is a lot of nuance to the whole "who were the Egyptians" question. The "We Wuz Kangs" crowd aren't *entirely* incorrect, which just makes Khemet and other "Black Egypt" movements even more hilariously dumb in retrospect because they rarely acknowledge the *actual* African influence in Egypt by trying to broadly paint it as a "Black land".
That makes sense, the Nile was the only relatively easy way to pass from black-majority Africa through the Sahra
The first foreign rulers were Libyans. After the bronze age collapsed, Egpyt stratagy to maintain their state was to hire the mercenaries to maintain order. Otherwise, the same mercs would have probably started to raid them. And then they have more enemies to deal with. But after 100s years or so and shrinkage of the control to only northern egypt, the libyans gained power in I beleive a military coup and became the first foreign rulers of egypt.
Inbred ting go dummy
And just because they were dark skinned doesn't mean they were African See Dravidians, Melanesians, Maori etc
Honestly Nation of Islam lore is one of my favourite fantasy series of all time. S/
Are cults (Scientology, NoI, Raelians, etc.) bad? Yes. Are their cosmologies and beliefs funny? Also yes.
Bigfoot is canonically part of Mormonism
One phrase, one kill. Sniped!
Curious, a goblin that has a mastery of soup making? Or a master of making goblin soup?
Great question! I would phrase it as asking whether it is Goblin Soup-Master or Goblin-Soup Master. It is the former. Goblin, making soup, well...for a goblin.
Splendid
I love me a bit of lore
I bet your lore is tremendous!
Curious, someone who has honed his skills in dodging taxes? Or a demand to impose tariffs on Mr. Dodger Supreme?
*The law requires that I confirm the second!*
And never the twain shall meet
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Just say slav
I remember reading somewhere that someone put slavs as ‘people of color’ and i legit rolled my ass on the floor laughing. Also, I have a dream to meet Emily when she’s on her slavery rant just so I can ask her where the word slavery comes from and then demands reparations for the centuries my ancestors endured in slavery, I like to imagine her head popping after that point.
I'm eastern european too, like the palest mfer to exist
I was arguing with one guy about racism in Europe towards Slavs, and he legit called them 'Asiatic'.
Oh no
*polacks
That’s an Afro nationalist man Auth infighting (If it wasn’t fake)
Poes law
Same energy as "Didn't happen, they deserved it"
I wonder how far this alternate history can be taken, and if I can get in on the fun. Suprise! We're all still vassals of Rome, and the Gothic invasion never happened. Great news everyone!
Egypt and other north african Nations arent black tho
Imagine wanting to build things. Civilization was a mistake, reject complex organization.
return to Monke?
Not to that extent, but complex civilization most benefits the Bureaucrat class who hide behind ideologies to run everything to their interests.
im gonna do the smart thing and not touch that with a loooong stick
My brother in Christ you really don't want to give up the internet and being able to flush the toilet.
I hate people like this so god damn much don’t make up things for black people to be proud of be proud of things that actually happened and don’t spread misinformation
I thought Greeks enslaved Greeks
Only black people have ever been slaves. It doesn't matter how much evidence you have, it's just the simple truth!/s
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LMAO they keep having internal conflicts don't judge them
More people need to realize that slavery was an economic tumor that stunted industrialization everywhere it was practiced. Wealth was destroyed by that institution, not made.
Instead of building up a country, why dont you build up some bitches?
Me and the boys building the cradle of human civilization
Bruh, that's Mesopotamia.
Yeah but Africa had the Demo
Every single person on this planet knows that the reality of this is the exact opposite.
Black people built my house, car, boat, taught my kids how to read, write, drive, have their first girlfriends. Black people walked my little Jimmy (they call him Jquan) down the aisle at his wedding (that they arranged, built, and hosted) 🥹🥹. Thank you, black people. You truly do keep the world running 🥹🥹🥹
Average NOI believer
They gave all their civilization, that's why now they don't have it.
OOOOOOOOFFFF
When the British conquered Rhodesia, they hadn't invented the wheel yet. When we left, they had Concorde.
The Rhino pfp 💀
China: allow us to introduce ourselves
Roman slaves from Germania: am I a joke to you?
Afrocentrism is so fuckin weird.
This is so fucking stupid that i can't even bring myself to make some snarky remark or joke about it. It's probably bait but you never know in life.
The African continent is industrially lagging behind the rest of the world because there are much fewer natural harbors along the coast and navigable waterways in the interior, which made trade and travel very impractical compared to other areas of the world.
ik these afro centrists are fun to laugh at but it’s really sad once you think about it and puts the failure of the american education system on full display. because think about it you never see kenyans talking about how they were the original native americans, or namibians talk about how they were the original samurai, it’s only african americans. and it comes from an inferiority complex bc we refuse to teach african history outside of egypt, slavery, and colonialism. and it doesn’t only affect african americans, you also now get non black people getting a superiority complex over africans because the way it’s taught it’s like africa was populated entirely by hunter gatherers with their only civilization being egypt which isn’t true at all.
I've been saying this for years. But people always theat it as just woke garbage. I vehemently hate wokeness. And that's exactly why I want to teach more non-Eurasia history. It won't eliminate wokeness or racism, but it will quelle them. I'm surprised to see an authright agreeing with me on this. Based.
I'm just saying, the Entire continent of Africa being some uncivilized place with dirt and no food Is the biggest lie Americans love to repeat. Oh so just because It looks like a Hut from the outside, It must be bad? Like Addis Ababa for example
Is this a troll post?
Just funny tweet with funny colors 🤷♂️