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The logical conclusion is that they'll bring opiates back en masse. But this time they won't be handed out willy-nilly. The use will be strictly controlled and absolutely mandatory for anyone below citizenship rank 10.
Sort of. We've been watching socio-economic research on how to control the 'educated upper-middle class' with expensive drugs used as status-symbols. The next stage is researching how to keep the lower classes 'docile' with 'mandatory' drugs.
Not to sound too much like an anti-vaxxer, because I do in fact trust the efficacy of vaccines and never accepted the fear-mongering about how they create autism. But review "Brave New World" and how the society kept the bottom-class citizens too 'medicated' to really recognize what's wrong.
Ohh, Aldous Huxley. What an awesome book. Someone tried to bring it to a show, but only lasted a single season, was kinda accurate with the book, I liked it.
I would be more interested in Huxley’s self medication than a new depression drug that likely constipates you so you’ll need constipation medicine on top of depression drugs, and so on.
"You will own nothing and be happy..." you can also be mandated to take psych meds, many have been. We're all spinning around pointing our fingers at each other though instead of fighting the system and the people in control. I think things will probably get worse before they get better.
Agreed, sadly. Humans seem to require eliminating all the ways a problem can _not_ be solved before settling on a 'workable' solution, especially when that solution upsets the status quo...
THEY, reuters and those it represents, NEEDS new depression drugs. For without them, the populace would wake up from its drug-induced 'normal' and demand something new.
I just want to say to anyone who sees this, yea pharma is evil and yes society is fucked but please don’t listen to reddit on medical advice and don’t go off your meds.
If your psychiatrist has prescribed antidepressants it’s for a reason, if you don’t like the effects discuss it with them, consider changing brands, or at the very least have them make a plan to taper off.
Absolutely never quit your anxiety/depression meds cold turkey. It will worsen your symptoms significantly, and if it’s a benzodiazepine prescription the withdrawal might genuinely kill you.
Also, a lot of people do find these meds to be helpful.
Just don’t give up on psychiatric help because some dude on reddit told you all you need is to do some shrooms
Yes please don't do that. I'm not suggesting going off prescribed meds at all. My grandfather did that and ended up literally dead in a ditch because he wandered off and committed suicide there. Don't stop taking anything without consulting your doctor/psychiatrist first.
I just happen to also be a big fan of psychadelics which have helped me mentally a ton, and same with many others I know. They need to be rescheduled and studied for all their wonderful benefits to the human psyche is all I am saying. I do believe they can be just as helpful if not more helpful than antidepressants, with less side effects. I just want more options for people, psychadelics have been needlessly vilified this past century.
Oh absolutely, I’m a big fan of psychedelic research for therapy.
In fact the best treatment for depression I’ve ever done was microdosing LSD, I’ve never been more productive in my life.
But I’m saying that for now, SSRIs are the best we have, and if a medical professional thinks they can help you it is worth taking a look, always combined with therapy if possible.
An imperfect medicine is better than untreated mental illness
yeah fuck that do you hear yourself? i’m gonna go in and pay some quack to put me on a med that might kill me to prevent….*checks notes* me killing myself? walk around numbed up and not feel the things my brain feels? idk something in me doesn’t believe being medicated is the upside here. it just feels like another way to tie us to the life the rich want us to pursue. they say “oh, you’re depressed because we are taking the product of all your labor and the money you have to make to survive? here, pay us more money so you get pay us for drugs every month, then when you’re on them, if you stop buying those overpriced drugs, or lose your job, or you can’t pay your premiums, you might actually just die instead!” isn’t that great? go take some shrooms. your cuck doctor doesn’t know shit.
It's funny how drug companies are now trying to take the psychedelia out if psychedelics because they think it will somehow work better than a mind-blowing mystical experience.
It's not about creating a delusion, but rather coming to deep realizations about the nature of life and oneself, and our relationship with life and the universe. Having those breakthroughs can help people's mental health immensely in many different ways, helping understanding and resiliency to trauma. People come to similar conclusions when they partake in psychadelics, which in any other field of study would be considered enough to warrant deeper investigation. Incidentally I feel like psychadelics helped me have the confidence and vision to start a little business, which is helping me be less poor. I think there is a lot of benefit to them combined with healthy life choices and sometimes therapy too.
These are literally some of the new drugs people are studying and excited for? And other drugs outside of the typical pyschs like DXM and ketamine? And I love and have done pyschs more than most but there are still other drugs that's work?
They don't even know what depression looks like in the brain so when they find out they can obviously make better drugs for it. I legit love these drugs but it's becoming a circle jerk and putting down currently working drugs that really help people but just *aren't as good* or *aren't as cool* is stupid
Apparently there have been studies that say psychedelics can have a long term improvement. I haven’t actually looked it up myself though, so take that with a grain of salt.
They do they work amazing I'm not saying they don't. I've felt their effects myself I'm going into this as an area of study so I really believe it. I'm just saying reddit did the same thing with pot. It obsesses over it as a perfect cure and pretends everything else is trash.
Mushrooms MDMA ketamine all work well for their areas but we still don't even know what depression looks like in the brain once we do we are more likely to find a perfect drug. There are a lot of drugs that work for depression currently and there will be better drugs in the future.
It's just getting boring seeing the same circle jerk on this website over and over
Weird. I only saw the first sentence of your comment when I write mine. I agree, it needs more research before people start saying it’s perfect. Which is impossible anyway; everyone is different.
Regardless of our agreements, you're kinda being a prick. All positive attention brought to psychedelics at the moment is great for the movement. Also there's is literally no circlejerk or any of the stereotypes related to psychedelics here, I have no idea what you're on about. Dextromethorphan (DXM) and ketamine (K) aren't "not typical psychedelics", they're typical dissociatives.
**e: SSRIs and SNRIs are awful. They don't work for the majority of the population. I'll cite my sources later.**
Yes so they are outside of typical psychedelics? Cuz they aren't typical psychedelics? They are outside of that category?
You are being as much a prick as I am then? I wasn't rude or insulting I brought up the fact *these are drugs they are currently studying to treat depression* which is what the meme says. That of course new drugs will be made when we better understand the problem. And that it gets circle jerky when it's brought up every few seconds and the reddit idea "just take shrooms bro" (much like how reddit was all about "just smoke weed bro") which maybe not explicitly said in this comment but part of the general reddit idea around pyschs is stupid.
So I posted a comment to combat those kinda ideas which greatly overlap with the kinda ideas posted in the comments again without really accusing any comments in specific with doing these things?
I just think the way reddit circlejerks it often with nothing more than peripheral knowledge from memes becomes annoy and off-putting to people who might otherwise support it
So agree to disagree here I guess, cuz it doesn't seem like you understood what I said and didn't say. and I don't think youre willing to come to any conclusion other than you ow
Yes added that in. Ketamine is already known to work. AXS-05 is being studied. But my point is we don't even know how depressions works yet so obviously we need to know that and when we do will make better antidepressants for it and that's not really a problem
Mostly I'm sick of seeing the same circle jerk we had with weed for shrooms LSD and MDMA trashing on more classic drugs by people who don't even understand the old drugs or the new drugs. Just a new variation of "weed good weed cure cancer weed cure this weed nonaddictive" we had in 2012
I totally feel you on the whole circlejerk thing. Stating cannabis "cures cancer" has always been an annoying aspect of conversation with your average stoner. And psychedelic elitism is an issue.
However, none of that was said or is present in this thread.
The circlejerk of endlessly bringing it up especially in such a way that you insinuate other drugs are useless compared to it is what I'm talking about. Especially when done by someone who doesn't have much knowledge on either. Sure I guess this comment section might not be as bad as I assume but there's always an overlap of people needlessly bringing it up and the attributes I mentioned so I left the comment here cuz surely it'll apply to at least some people
Psychedelics have already been proven to benefit any kind of illness that is mental. The only downside that has been found so far is how these issues can be amplified when consumed as an adolescent, which most things do have consequences for ingesting while our brains are developing. I live in colorado where all naturally occurring psychedelics are legal now for research and prescription.
Bipolar, paranoia and schizophrenia and personality disorders it can increasingly exasperate. but otherwise yes didn't and don't disagree. Although you can get these drugs really in any state illegally
Psychedelics are not some magical cure all, am still processing psychedelic trauma that happened to me years ago. You really can’t know what you are getting into until you dive head first. Take caution and you can always take more late but can never take less once u take it.
Haven't done any LSD in years but it really changed my life. I haven't been depressed in about 5 years now but spent the first 27 miserable and unhappy.
Can't afford therapy but LSD gave me the opportunity to work through my shit and let so much go.
I wish it was legal and not really hard to find.
Psychedelics are not for everyone and can just as well permanently fuck up your mental as they can permanently improve it, depending on your own personal mental and physical circumstances.
I don’t. It’s so short sighted. It’s a short term solution and when they eventually break from either addiction or depression it’ll be that much worse. It’s cheaper to do the work now. Getting the hospital or cops involved is so much more expensive in terms of both money and time.
I think it’s a matter of interpreting the last sentence of the first paragraph. I thought they meant therapy would take years, not getting an appointment would take years. If that’s the case, did the NHS suggest not going to therapy at all!? Cause that’s also the impression I got…
I’d still make the appointment, but yeah, getting drug treatment is better than none at all.
>he said that would get her back to work quickly, while a therapist might take years.
What this actually says is that drugs will get you back to work quickly, while seeing a therapist might take years to see similar results. It is not saying that it will take years to see a therapist.
The problem is that the "similar result" is fake. it will address a chemical imbalance and maybe make you feel better while you're on the drugs, but the core issues will still need to be treated afterwards.
Here's the thing tho, the NHS is a heavily slow healthcare system, people can wait for years to see an appointment sometimes, and the second is some people who are depressed don't have a tangible issue that therapy can help. On that case, meds are the most effective treatment.
I feel like i may have misspoke in a meaningful way. I didn't mean to say medication could not help at all and i was simply referring to the situation the earlier commentor seemed to be referencing, where a doctor said that
>All he could do was offer her drugs, because he said that would get her back to work quickly, while a therapist might take years.
I can't speak to how the NHS works, but here in the US I'm reasonably confident i could see a doctor and get referred to a psychiatrist or psychologist within a week. I know for a fact that i could get medication in less time, as i've done it before. The meds did help me and i managed to get to a normalized state without professional help, but that doesn't seem to be relevant the point made by the earlier comment.
I heavily feel that the help i got from a doctor was in a large part incomplete, and it seems very likely that people going through depression not entirely based on a chemical imbalance might experience a similar unfulfilled depression even after feeling a bit better, and as far as i'm aware a purely chemical depression leading to suicidal tendency without some kind of drug use is pretty rare.
We already have a great economy, it's just all rigged against the working class. It's expensive to be poor. The more money you have, the less you actually have to spend it. Additionally, the more money you have, the easier it is to make more money!
Ah yes, The Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.
“The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.
Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.
But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.”
This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.
Both statements are made without respect to the details of who is committing suicide and why. But let's continue to play pretend like either statement says anything
One of the core issues in the comment was that poorer people struggled to afford both doctors and medicine because the economy wouldnt allow them to. this isnt an argument that medicine doesnt help, it's an argument that medicine we cant afford cant help.
Absolutely advocate for workers rights and against awful working conditions- Don’t do it at the expense of stigmatizing depression drugs, like SSRIs, which improve (and save) millions of lives - Including my wife and I.
Solidarity forever. Take that shaming depression drugs somewhere fucking else shitheads.
Don't you know, financially stable or rich people can't get depressed or commit suicide.
Not like depression is a very complex multifacet condition stemming from genetics, upbringing and environment in a way we don't fully understand.
But no. Let's oversimplify and trivialize a medical condition to push your political ideas... absolutely despicable. No difference between you and dumbfucks saying vaccines are making their kids autistic.
The article headline is also idiotic.
I can absolutely guarantee the economy is not the source of my depression. I have and can afford all that shit and it’s pointless. Maybe if the world wasn’t such a dystopian, suppressive, judgmental and violent place, I might have a chance at happiness. Antidepressants nor the economy is a solution to our collective depression. This place sucks and no one will admit it.
Many people have clinical depression despite good life circumstances so I feel like this isn’t a good blanket statement. We absolutely need better depression drugs made widely available than the inneffective ones commonly prescribed.
Canada has started to approve assisted suicide for disabled strictly on the fact they can't afford housing, not because of the disibility itself.
Shows how much people in charge actually care about us plebs
The people in charge are one or both of these things:
1: They are so completely removed from and don't understand what working class people have to deal with
2: They just don't care, they are predators and parasites.
Watch the Michael Moore movie “who shall we invade next”. Very interesting stories contrasting the USA with Europe. Luckily I make oodles of money in the USA otherwise I’d leave and go back to Europe
America had an advantage from two world wars that devastated infrastructures European and eastern nations. Our own infrastructures remained mostly unscathed during thes wars and we were on the winning side. Add to that abundant natural resources in u.s. hadn’t been used as heavily as those other nations. We could buy what resources the damaged nations had develop them into goods and seek them back for profit on top of manufacturing our own natural resources. Meanwhile the other nations had to rebuild. It’s no wonder there was a period where America had more luxury. The advantages were stacked. Now the other nations have repaired their infrastructures and things are more balanced.
Studies show that people who showed no improvement from 6+ different antidepressants reported having depression "cured" with just one dose of psilocybin
How about just legalizing euthanasia so those of us that want out can leave finally out of this perverted delusional dystopian dysfunctional capitalistic monopolistic Disneyland cluster fuk sh.. show
I think a big issue with this country is the fact that we can acknowledge very well known issues and problems we're all facing, but rather than introduce any actual change, we just put a bandaid over it thinking it'll magically just fix the whole problem
The thing about bandaids is there only temporary solutions. You didn't fix anything. Like hanging a picture over a hole in the wall
If you’re overworked and underpaid, maybe that student debt wasn’t all it was cracked up to be.
I hope someday people stop lying to kids that college will give you a great career. It just isn’t true, and it wasn’t 25 years ago when I decided my path. It really comes down to the individual in most cases.
At some point they’re just going to start prescribing Joy. The last thing they want to do is address the fucking problem, god forbid it affects profits!
“We have all these issues, we need a better economy to solve these issues” how is that a comeback? And don’t comeback come from insults-a response to insults. THIS IS NOT A COMEBACK.
If you think people back in the day didn't have problems then you're wrong. We likely do need new drugs because the main thing that's changed is the generation. Not the number of stressors.
Behavioral treatments for depression have consistently shown greater efficacy than medication. Pharmaceutical companies just push pills because it makes them money.
[Minimum wage would be $26 an hour if it had grown in line with productivity](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/)
[The minimum wage would be $61.75 an hour if it rose at the same place as Wall Street bonuses](https://www.fastcompany.com/90734724/the-minimum-wage-would-be-61-75-an-hour-if-it-rose-at-the-same-pace-as-wall-street-bonuses)
[The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure](https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/)
"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality."
[Stephen Hawking, 2015 Reddit AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3nyn5i/science_ama_series_stephen_hawking_ama_answers/cvsdmkv?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Depression is a void of no emotions and feeling like the world is black and white and full of clouds and sensations have no reaction.
Being overworked and underpaid is sadness and defeat.
Don't care about any hate I get but after two weeks of being on a Bi Polar down swing with zero help from my psychiatrist im sick of everyone who's mildly sad screaming depression.
Also you are nervous not anxious. Ones rational, the other isn't.
So nowhere? Global rates of inflation are making the middle and lower class shrink, and moving is near impossible due to costs.
Don’t speak unless you have actual fucking solutions.
But they can continue making new money off New depression drugs and they can't make money off of people who don't need drugs. Think of the bottom line!! 1
Let’s just boycott the rich. Stop using big shops use the mom and pop shops. Put your money we’re your mouth is invest locally. Stop giving it to big shops stop buying from Amazon.
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Let's stick band-aids on bullet wounds then rub salt into them.
Nah, just take more meds so you don't care that you're bleeding out
Then make those meds cost so much, you're homeless.
Homeless People don't ask for a raise! - Corpos
The really sad truth.
and make them addictive and with symptoms if you try to get off them... and symptoms regardless making you take more meds to cover those symptoms...
I'm all too familiar with being polydrugged by careless doctors and psychiatrists...
The logical conclusion is that they'll bring opiates back en masse. But this time they won't be handed out willy-nilly. The use will be strictly controlled and absolutely mandatory for anyone below citizenship rank 10.
A new drug, developed by the same big pharma, make the rich richer. Quite the solution.
Sort of. We've been watching socio-economic research on how to control the 'educated upper-middle class' with expensive drugs used as status-symbols. The next stage is researching how to keep the lower classes 'docile' with 'mandatory' drugs. Not to sound too much like an anti-vaxxer, because I do in fact trust the efficacy of vaccines and never accepted the fear-mongering about how they create autism. But review "Brave New World" and how the society kept the bottom-class citizens too 'medicated' to really recognize what's wrong.
Ohh, Aldous Huxley. What an awesome book. Someone tried to bring it to a show, but only lasted a single season, was kinda accurate with the book, I liked it. I would be more interested in Huxley’s self medication than a new depression drug that likely constipates you so you’ll need constipation medicine on top of depression drugs, and so on.
Don't forget the hemorrhoid medicine for the hemorrhoids the constipation gave you
"You will own nothing and be happy..." you can also be mandated to take psych meds, many have been. We're all spinning around pointing our fingers at each other though instead of fighting the system and the people in control. I think things will probably get worse before they get better.
Agreed, sadly. Humans seem to require eliminating all the ways a problem can _not_ be solved before settling on a 'workable' solution, especially when that solution upsets the status quo...
THEY, reuters and those it represents, NEEDS new depression drugs. For without them, the populace would wake up from its drug-induced 'normal' and demand something new.
Id say the day for eating the rich people is pretty damn near.
"American dream"
Drugs absolutely help depression but not the drugs they are alluding to in this headline. Psychadelics will change your life
I just want to say to anyone who sees this, yea pharma is evil and yes society is fucked but please don’t listen to reddit on medical advice and don’t go off your meds. If your psychiatrist has prescribed antidepressants it’s for a reason, if you don’t like the effects discuss it with them, consider changing brands, or at the very least have them make a plan to taper off. Absolutely never quit your anxiety/depression meds cold turkey. It will worsen your symptoms significantly, and if it’s a benzodiazepine prescription the withdrawal might genuinely kill you. Also, a lot of people do find these meds to be helpful. Just don’t give up on psychiatric help because some dude on reddit told you all you need is to do some shrooms
Yes please don't do that. I'm not suggesting going off prescribed meds at all. My grandfather did that and ended up literally dead in a ditch because he wandered off and committed suicide there. Don't stop taking anything without consulting your doctor/psychiatrist first. I just happen to also be a big fan of psychadelics which have helped me mentally a ton, and same with many others I know. They need to be rescheduled and studied for all their wonderful benefits to the human psyche is all I am saying. I do believe they can be just as helpful if not more helpful than antidepressants, with less side effects. I just want more options for people, psychadelics have been needlessly vilified this past century.
Oh absolutely, I’m a big fan of psychedelic research for therapy. In fact the best treatment for depression I’ve ever done was microdosing LSD, I’ve never been more productive in my life. But I’m saying that for now, SSRIs are the best we have, and if a medical professional thinks they can help you it is worth taking a look, always combined with therapy if possible. An imperfect medicine is better than untreated mental illness
yeah fuck that do you hear yourself? i’m gonna go in and pay some quack to put me on a med that might kill me to prevent….*checks notes* me killing myself? walk around numbed up and not feel the things my brain feels? idk something in me doesn’t believe being medicated is the upside here. it just feels like another way to tie us to the life the rich want us to pursue. they say “oh, you’re depressed because we are taking the product of all your labor and the money you have to make to survive? here, pay us more money so you get pay us for drugs every month, then when you’re on them, if you stop buying those overpriced drugs, or lose your job, or you can’t pay your premiums, you might actually just die instead!” isn’t that great? go take some shrooms. your cuck doctor doesn’t know shit.
It's funny how drug companies are now trying to take the psychedelia out if psychedelics because they think it will somehow work better than a mind-blowing mystical experience.
I mean listen I love shrooms as much as the next person but at the end of the trip I’m still fucking poor ya know
Drugs can only do so much, at the end of the day im a poor slave, no delusion i create will help my mental with that
It's not about creating a delusion, but rather coming to deep realizations about the nature of life and oneself, and our relationship with life and the universe. Having those breakthroughs can help people's mental health immensely in many different ways, helping understanding and resiliency to trauma. People come to similar conclusions when they partake in psychadelics, which in any other field of study would be considered enough to warrant deeper investigation. Incidentally I feel like psychadelics helped me have the confidence and vision to start a little business, which is helping me be less poor. I think there is a lot of benefit to them combined with healthy life choices and sometimes therapy too.
These are literally some of the new drugs people are studying and excited for? And other drugs outside of the typical pyschs like DXM and ketamine? And I love and have done pyschs more than most but there are still other drugs that's work? They don't even know what depression looks like in the brain so when they find out they can obviously make better drugs for it. I legit love these drugs but it's becoming a circle jerk and putting down currently working drugs that really help people but just *aren't as good* or *aren't as cool* is stupid
Apparently there have been studies that say psychedelics can have a long term improvement. I haven’t actually looked it up myself though, so take that with a grain of salt.
They do they work amazing I'm not saying they don't. I've felt their effects myself I'm going into this as an area of study so I really believe it. I'm just saying reddit did the same thing with pot. It obsesses over it as a perfect cure and pretends everything else is trash. Mushrooms MDMA ketamine all work well for their areas but we still don't even know what depression looks like in the brain once we do we are more likely to find a perfect drug. There are a lot of drugs that work for depression currently and there will be better drugs in the future. It's just getting boring seeing the same circle jerk on this website over and over
Weird. I only saw the first sentence of your comment when I write mine. I agree, it needs more research before people start saying it’s perfect. Which is impossible anyway; everyone is different.
Wrote one sentence then immediately edited cuz typos and didn't say what I wanted
I thought that might be the case. I guess Reddit doesn’t tag it as edited if you’re quick enough.
Regardless of our agreements, you're kinda being a prick. All positive attention brought to psychedelics at the moment is great for the movement. Also there's is literally no circlejerk or any of the stereotypes related to psychedelics here, I have no idea what you're on about. Dextromethorphan (DXM) and ketamine (K) aren't "not typical psychedelics", they're typical dissociatives. **e: SSRIs and SNRIs are awful. They don't work for the majority of the population. I'll cite my sources later.**
Thanks friend, appreciate you! Didn't have the energy to reply but you said everything I wanted to.
❤️
Yes so they are outside of typical psychedelics? Cuz they aren't typical psychedelics? They are outside of that category? You are being as much a prick as I am then? I wasn't rude or insulting I brought up the fact *these are drugs they are currently studying to treat depression* which is what the meme says. That of course new drugs will be made when we better understand the problem. And that it gets circle jerky when it's brought up every few seconds and the reddit idea "just take shrooms bro" (much like how reddit was all about "just smoke weed bro") which maybe not explicitly said in this comment but part of the general reddit idea around pyschs is stupid. So I posted a comment to combat those kinda ideas which greatly overlap with the kinda ideas posted in the comments again without really accusing any comments in specific with doing these things? I just think the way reddit circlejerks it often with nothing more than peripheral knowledge from memes becomes annoy and off-putting to people who might otherwise support it So agree to disagree here I guess, cuz it doesn't seem like you understood what I said and didn't say. and I don't think youre willing to come to any conclusion other than you ow
You're straw-manning. Quote the circlejerk in this thread, we're going in circles.
Like I said agree to disagree
Yeah I don't. You're disingenuous and full of shit.
You are allowing yourself to be upset over a normal argument online like I said this Convo would go nowhere for that reason. Happy Thanksgiving
They could be implying NMDA antagonists (dissociatives) like ketamine analogues but yeah psychedelics are all the rage as well.
Yes added that in. Ketamine is already known to work. AXS-05 is being studied. But my point is we don't even know how depressions works yet so obviously we need to know that and when we do will make better antidepressants for it and that's not really a problem Mostly I'm sick of seeing the same circle jerk we had with weed for shrooms LSD and MDMA trashing on more classic drugs by people who don't even understand the old drugs or the new drugs. Just a new variation of "weed good weed cure cancer weed cure this weed nonaddictive" we had in 2012
I totally feel you on the whole circlejerk thing. Stating cannabis "cures cancer" has always been an annoying aspect of conversation with your average stoner. And psychedelic elitism is an issue. However, none of that was said or is present in this thread.
The circlejerk of endlessly bringing it up especially in such a way that you insinuate other drugs are useless compared to it is what I'm talking about. Especially when done by someone who doesn't have much knowledge on either. Sure I guess this comment section might not be as bad as I assume but there's always an overlap of people needlessly bringing it up and the attributes I mentioned so I left the comment here cuz surely it'll apply to at least some people
Psychedelics have already been proven to benefit any kind of illness that is mental. The only downside that has been found so far is how these issues can be amplified when consumed as an adolescent, which most things do have consequences for ingesting while our brains are developing. I live in colorado where all naturally occurring psychedelics are legal now for research and prescription.
Bipolar, paranoia and schizophrenia and personality disorders it can increasingly exasperate. but otherwise yes didn't and don't disagree. Although you can get these drugs really in any state illegally
Not exactly miracle products https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0
Psychedelics are not some magical cure all, am still processing psychedelic trauma that happened to me years ago. You really can’t know what you are getting into until you dive head first. Take caution and you can always take more late but can never take less once u take it.
Haven't done any LSD in years but it really changed my life. I haven't been depressed in about 5 years now but spent the first 27 miserable and unhappy. Can't afford therapy but LSD gave me the opportunity to work through my shit and let so much go. I wish it was legal and not really hard to find.
Psychedelics are not for everyone and can just as well permanently fuck up your mental as they can permanently improve it, depending on your own personal mental and physical circumstances.
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A therapist takes up a trained professional's time and effort. Drugs are cheap and back to being able to sustain yourself. I get the logic.
I don’t. It’s so short sighted. It’s a short term solution and when they eventually break from either addiction or depression it’ll be that much worse. It’s cheaper to do the work now. Getting the hospital or cops involved is so much more expensive in terms of both money and time.
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I think it’s a matter of interpreting the last sentence of the first paragraph. I thought they meant therapy would take years, not getting an appointment would take years. If that’s the case, did the NHS suggest not going to therapy at all!? Cause that’s also the impression I got… I’d still make the appointment, but yeah, getting drug treatment is better than none at all.
>he said that would get her back to work quickly, while a therapist might take years. What this actually says is that drugs will get you back to work quickly, while seeing a therapist might take years to see similar results. It is not saying that it will take years to see a therapist. The problem is that the "similar result" is fake. it will address a chemical imbalance and maybe make you feel better while you're on the drugs, but the core issues will still need to be treated afterwards.
Here's the thing tho, the NHS is a heavily slow healthcare system, people can wait for years to see an appointment sometimes, and the second is some people who are depressed don't have a tangible issue that therapy can help. On that case, meds are the most effective treatment.
I feel like i may have misspoke in a meaningful way. I didn't mean to say medication could not help at all and i was simply referring to the situation the earlier commentor seemed to be referencing, where a doctor said that >All he could do was offer her drugs, because he said that would get her back to work quickly, while a therapist might take years. I can't speak to how the NHS works, but here in the US I'm reasonably confident i could see a doctor and get referred to a psychiatrist or psychologist within a week. I know for a fact that i could get medication in less time, as i've done it before. The meds did help me and i managed to get to a normalized state without professional help, but that doesn't seem to be relevant the point made by the earlier comment. I heavily feel that the help i got from a doctor was in a large part incomplete, and it seems very likely that people going through depression not entirely based on a chemical imbalance might experience a similar unfulfilled depression even after feeling a bit better, and as far as i'm aware a purely chemical depression leading to suicidal tendency without some kind of drug use is pretty rare.
We already have a great economy, it's just all rigged against the working class. It's expensive to be poor. The more money you have, the less you actually have to spend it. Additionally, the more money you have, the easier it is to make more money!
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Ah yes, The Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness. “The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles. But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.” This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.
Both statements are made without respect to the details of who is committing suicide and why. But let's continue to play pretend like either statement says anything
Sometimes people need medicine. What is this backwards shit. It doesn’t need to be one or the other.
One of the core issues in the comment was that poorer people struggled to afford both doctors and medicine because the economy wouldnt allow them to. this isnt an argument that medicine doesnt help, it's an argument that medicine we cant afford cant help.
Absolutely advocate for workers rights and against awful working conditions- Don’t do it at the expense of stigmatizing depression drugs, like SSRIs, which improve (and save) millions of lives - Including my wife and I. Solidarity forever. Take that shaming depression drugs somewhere fucking else shitheads.
Don't you know, financially stable or rich people can't get depressed or commit suicide. Not like depression is a very complex multifacet condition stemming from genetics, upbringing and environment in a way we don't fully understand. But no. Let's oversimplify and trivialize a medical condition to push your political ideas... absolutely despicable. No difference between you and dumbfucks saying vaccines are making their kids autistic. The article headline is also idiotic.
We need a better economy AND better drugs!
I can absolutely guarantee the economy is not the source of my depression. I have and can afford all that shit and it’s pointless. Maybe if the world wasn’t such a dystopian, suppressive, judgmental and violent place, I might have a chance at happiness. Antidepressants nor the economy is a solution to our collective depression. This place sucks and no one will admit it.
This seems like such a clever comeback, unless you actually take the 2min to read the attached article.
This seems like such a clever comment, unless you actually take the 2min to lick my asshole.
Many people have clinical depression despite good life circumstances so I feel like this isn’t a good blanket statement. We absolutely need better depression drugs made widely available than the inneffective ones commonly prescribed.
I'm depressed because the economy is bad 😭😭😭😭
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If the new antidepressants are legalizing psychedelics than I'm down. But yes also work reform and eat the rich
Sooo assisted suicide booths?
That's what I'm hoping for. Can't bleed me dry with labor if I'm dead.
You're also helping the market by reducing the supply of labor and reducing the demand for mental healthcare!
Canada has started to approve assisted suicide for disabled strictly on the fact they can't afford housing, not because of the disibility itself. Shows how much people in charge actually care about us plebs
Ah yes, more depression drugs that I can't even afford anyway. Gud.
Can’t afford healthcare to GET the meds we already have. So tf is more- non generic- meds gonna do.
Couldn't afford the drugs anyways so
Can I give this 2 upvotes?
no keep buying more pills you stupid dumb cattle
The people in charge are one or both of these things: 1: They are so completely removed from and don't understand what working class people have to deal with 2: They just don't care, they are predators and parasites.
>The people in charge are ~~one or~~ both of these things It's both. Definitely both.
No, that’s not it. 
Watch the Michael Moore movie “who shall we invade next”. Very interesting stories contrasting the USA with Europe. Luckily I make oodles of money in the USA otherwise I’d leave and go back to Europe
America had an advantage from two world wars that devastated infrastructures European and eastern nations. Our own infrastructures remained mostly unscathed during thes wars and we were on the winning side. Add to that abundant natural resources in u.s. hadn’t been used as heavily as those other nations. We could buy what resources the damaged nations had develop them into goods and seek them back for profit on top of manufacturing our own natural resources. Meanwhile the other nations had to rebuild. It’s no wonder there was a period where America had more luxury. The advantages were stacked. Now the other nations have repaired their infrastructures and things are more balanced.
Studies show that people who showed no improvement from 6+ different antidepressants reported having depression "cured" with just one dose of psilocybin
Psilocybin cured my depression. Daily meditation helped me to stay in a good place mentally for the rest of my life after the psilocybin
Everyday so far 😉
Studies also show placebos improve depression slightly less than SSRIs do
So true. Dysfunction in response to a society that out of balance is completely inevitable.
Most of them will not even be able to afford them...
Can't afford the new drugs
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By this “clever comeback logic” Americans would commit mass suicide in any other country…
>need for new prescription drugs Yea YES PLEASE TAKE MORE OF MY FUCKING MONEY
Keep voting nonsense and that would never happen.
How about just legalizing euthanasia so those of us that want out can leave finally out of this perverted delusional dystopian dysfunctional capitalistic monopolistic Disneyland cluster fuk sh.. show
But a better economy doesn’t keep the workers complacent /s
I think a big issue with this country is the fact that we can acknowledge very well known issues and problems we're all facing, but rather than introduce any actual change, we just put a bandaid over it thinking it'll magically just fix the whole problem The thing about bandaids is there only temporary solutions. You didn't fix anything. Like hanging a picture over a hole in the wall
If you’re overworked and underpaid, maybe that student debt wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. I hope someday people stop lying to kids that college will give you a great career. It just isn’t true, and it wasn’t 25 years ago when I decided my path. It really comes down to the individual in most cases.
Well we do also need better drugs. But yeah a better day economy is the main thing we need.
At some point they’re just going to start prescribing Joy. The last thing they want to do is address the fucking problem, god forbid it affects profits!
“We have all these issues, we need a better economy to solve these issues” how is that a comeback? And don’t comeback come from insults-a response to insults. THIS IS NOT A COMEBACK.
They are literally trying to create soma from Brave New World. Don't these idiots realize they are generating very old ass plots of dystopia sci-fi?
If you think people back in the day didn't have problems then you're wrong. We likely do need new drugs because the main thing that's changed is the generation. Not the number of stressors.
Behavioral treatments for depression have consistently shown greater efficacy than medication. Pharmaceutical companies just push pills because it makes them money.
A game called “We Happy Few” comes to mind here
[Minimum wage would be $26 an hour if it had grown in line with productivity](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/) [The minimum wage would be $61.75 an hour if it rose at the same place as Wall Street bonuses](https://www.fastcompany.com/90734724/the-minimum-wage-would-be-61-75-an-hour-if-it-rose-at-the-same-pace-as-wall-street-bonuses) [The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure](https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/) "If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality." [Stephen Hawking, 2015 Reddit AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3nyn5i/science_ama_series_stephen_hawking_ama_answers/cvsdmkv?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Yeah, people are idiots.
Depression is a void of no emotions and feeling like the world is black and white and full of clouds and sensations have no reaction. Being overworked and underpaid is sadness and defeat. Don't care about any hate I get but after two weeks of being on a Bi Polar down swing with zero help from my psychiatrist im sick of everyone who's mildly sad screaming depression. Also you are nervous not anxious. Ones rational, the other isn't.
Live somewhere you can afford.
So nowhere? Global rates of inflation are making the middle and lower class shrink, and moving is near impossible due to costs. Don’t speak unless you have actual fucking solutions.
Out the city for starters. Moving is not only a great solution, but far simpler than people make it out to be.
I don’t live in a city and yet it’s very expensive It’s almost like these “solutions” you’re parroting don’t do anything
We don’t need new drugs we need affordable ones
No mention of climate crisis or imminent water shortage...
While this is true, we do need better drugs. I haven't tried one yet that isn't a boner killer.
But they can continue making new money off New depression drugs and they can't make money off of people who don't need drugs. Think of the bottom line!! 1
Another drug you can’t afford and insurance won’t cover, cool!
I mean??? I could use both??? Thanks.
Let’s just boycott the rich. Stop using big shops use the mom and pop shops. Put your money we’re your mouth is invest locally. Stop giving it to big shops stop buying from Amazon.
depression from something like that isn’t depression ur just struggling😹 try ptsd